I was thinking about this last night.... And I'm not sure how to write it so I guess I'll just write it in point form. I am interested in knowing your views.

Do you think Ghosts, spirits and demons exist?

If so, do you think they can interact with us, move things, touch us, harm us?

If so, Could these ghosts, spirits or demons commit crimes in our realms?

Could some of our worlds unsolved murders and other crimes be contributed to or caused by these entities?

Or do you think that they could manipulate a human to commit such crimes?

I was thinking about this because, I thought that if these things were real, and if ghosts and spirits were dead people who once lived, surely there has to be bad ones out there, and surely some would want revenge on certain people, so if they could interact than some of the bad ones would probably want to harm people or murder them, wouldn't they?

And if they couldn't murder or harm us, then that would mean probably that they could not interact with us......

I'd like to know your views......

I'll answer these. Also, I made a poll about paranormal beliefs and experiences, and I'd be grateful to anyone who takes a moment to fill it out. (BTW, anyone can make his own multiple choice poll with a groovy-looking results page and up to 10 questions. It's at bravenet.com, and no I don't work for them.)



Too complicated a question to answer yes or no. I do think that many reports of encounters with such things refer to something real.



Yes. But I have this unfounded confidence that anything that can touch me can be touched back by me. I long to find a bad spirit and kick its ass. That's probably a foolish wish, but I never claimed to be very wise.



Complex question. Could they wrong people? Yes. Whether or not that constitutes a crime depends on legal theory, which I don't think is really designed to handle such propositions.



Yes.



If they exist, then yes, it is highly likely.

How much havoc has been wrought throughout history by persons who claimed that gods or angels or spacemen were whispering secrets in their ears? Sure, we could pass them all off as schizophrenics or liars-- but few of them meet the diagnostic criteria for schizophrenia. And certainly some, if not most, have been sincere in believing their revelations, no matter how crazy they seem to us. If even one of these persons was really guided by the suggestions of a nonhuman intelligence, then the answer to your question is "yes."

--Scott

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OF THE HUNDREDS OF INVESTIGATIONS I HAVE BEEN ON IN THE PAST 20 YEARS I HAVE TO SAY THAT "SOMETHING EXISTS"THAT WE CAN'T COMPREHEND.THE WORD "GHOST"COVERS ALOT OF THINGS.THERE ARE SEVERAL DIFFERENT TYPES OF ENTITYS,EACH WITH IT'S OWN MEANING.SPIRITS HAVE THE POWER TO INTERACT WITH CERTAIN PEOPLE.THEY CAN MOVE OBJECTS ETC.BUT I BELIEVE THATS ABOUT THE LIMIT OF THEIR POWERS.THEY ARE IN A DIFFERENT REALM THAN WE ARE.I REALLY DON'T BELIEVE THEY CAN COMMIT CRIMES IN OUR WORLD.IT IS POSSIBLE FOR DEMON ENTITYS TO COERCE A PERSON INTO A CRIME.THAT'S WHAT THEY DO THE BEST.JUST LOOK AT JEFFREY DAHMER OR JOHN WAYNE GACY.I WOULD SAY THEY WERE POSSESED BY SOMETHING.

Hello Dakotabre! ;-)

Let's take your questions one at a time Ok? But, before I do this, I really must add that nothing of what I am about to write has anything at all to do with any 'belief' system I may hold but is based solely on *actual* research and *actual* communication with the spirit world and our worlds beyond. If I don't know, I will say so. But, if I do, I will also say so but will also add that, should anyone find the courage to actually speak to those who are actually on the other side themselves then they too will recieve the same answers as I have. So, in bearing this in mind, let's see what we can do for you...

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Actually, you may be surprised at the influence that can be exerted from the other side/ spirit worlds and our worlds beyond. It is riviting to say the least. But, most of it, thankfully, is about our common advancement and not about death, torment and destruction Ok? We have some wonderful entities working on all our behalfs to help bring about a far better future for us all. But then, that's another story for another time.

Meantime, as I say, I don't ask anyone to 'believe' me. In fact, I'd rather they didn't. Instead, I would much prefer that people stop reading books and other 'ideas' of what ghosts and life after death (and aliens) are but to find the actual truth as it *really* is for themselves in the way that I have. Then, in less time than anyone may think, all this will become just as apparent to them as it has me. (It's ever so easy you know and not in the least bit fearful).

I Thank You For Your Time

Bob Daulby

Interesting, this sounds like fun. I'll answer, based on what I've learned/believe.


Yes, but it’s a very debatable topic.


Yes. For a limited time, as energy sources may be limited.


Yes, through willing, or unwilling, possession.


It's possible, but can't be proven.


Again, it's possible, but can't be proven.


Poltergeists are the entities, which are said to be able to harm a person, and throw things, move things, etc. They usually don't manifest as an apparition.
Also, it takes energy for an entity to manifest, and if there isn't enough, then the damage may be minimal. However, if the unit was strong in his or her previous life, then there may be residual energy left from the person to carry on wreaking havoc. The entity may also be able to drain an area, or person, of the energy—resulting in cold spots and technical malfunction.

Nice questions, by the way.

I had an apparition of Eve she appeared to me at night well half asleep she had curly black hair brown eyes and was wearing torn clothes I said 'who are you' Then she started hissing at me with a long tongue and disappeared.Now the reason why I know it was Eve is because she looked so beautiful like a Goddess and she was created to be perfect.

I beleive that spirits can only vaugly tamper with or world. you migh tfell someone touch you and nobody is there. You might since you are being watched. but as far as killing people or commiting crimes I don't think that is possible. But I could be wrong.

I think that the spirit world and our world are together and spirits can influence our lives good or bad

I believe somewhere in between. I'd have to answer most of the questions with a 'no' on my part. I guess I'm a 'believe it when I see it' person.

Greywolf, stop yelling please.

To Hell with bad spirits-- look at that, will you?

Since I feel these are questions from one of the sincere who wants knowledge, I will give wha answers I am confident of.

I was thinking about this last night.... And I'm not sure how to write it so I guess I'll just write it in point form. I am interested in knowing your views.

Do you think Ghosts, spirits and demons exist? Yes I most assuredly do believe this.

If so, do you think they can interact with us, move things, touch us, harm us? I do believe that demons, due to their nature can move things and harm us. I am of the mind that earthbound human spirits can also move things, but it is often less dramatic, due to the amount of energy required to do so.

If so, Could these ghosts, spirits or demons commit crimes in our realms? No I do not believe so.

Could some of our worlds unsolved murders and other crimes be contributed to or caused by these entities? See above

Or do you think that they could manipulate a human to commit such crimes?
I believe it is of the nature of the demonic to influence, possess and taint humans as is their will. I believe that manipulation by demonic forces is underestimated, largely and that in many cases it is those forces which drive us as humans to our most depraved acts. It is the ability of such entities to affect us on levels of our deepest weaknesses, in ways we would not recognize, nor even realize it was of demonic influence to do so. Remeber that the most powerful ally that satan/lucifer/the devil has is a skeptical public.

I was thinking about this because, I thought that if these things were real, and if ghosts and spirits were dead people who once lived, surely there has to be bad ones out there, and surely some would want revenge on certain people, so if they could interact than some of the bad ones would probably want to harm people or murder them, wouldn't they? Spirits or ghosts, IMO are not evil nor good, simply mirrors of their living selves, in the cases of earthbound spirits. If the persom were mean or cruel in life then the reflection of the spirit would be such. Most people fear the spirits they come in contact with due to the shock and awe factor associated with the phenom. Since spirits are beings of energy, it is this positive or negative "vibe" which is felt by the living and therefore associated with the spirit being "good or bad".

And if they couldn't murder or harm us, then that would mean probably that they could not interact with us......

I'd like to know your views......

Thank you EDW74

I enjoyed reading your views....

However, I was wondering about something you said.

In one instance you said that these entities, you believed could move things, but that you thought they could not commit crimes.....

I amunsure of what I believe, however, if I thought that they could move things, then I would think they could commit crimes... by.... moving a knife to stab someone, or if a person was working under a car with a car jack supporting the car, couldn't the entity move the car jack so the car fell?

I guess it depends on how much strength the entity has or the distance in wich they can move things, or the force they can push something with.....

Anyway, thanks again for the responses!

A Spirit cannot pick up a knive and stab a human and they cannot shoot a gun, however they could without a person even being aware of their presence, get into a persons thoughts and give them a compulsive thought to do such an act.
The cannot cause a car jack to slip, but they could be in the persons thoughts and actually encourage him to work on the car and set him up by having him put the jack under the car unsafely then it might just fall on the person and that person would think he was the clumsy one.

For example and this is what happened to me a few years ago.

I was at my realtives house taking care of the children for the day and it was very icy outside.

One of the spirits said take those shoes off and get comfortable you will be too warm in here with those boots on.

I said no I might need to go outside.

They said no you don't want to do that take them off.

Once I put my jogging shoes on they began to say oh we forgot the trash and this is trash day so take it out.

I said I will put my boots back on and they said no you are just going out to the curb just jot out thee and everything will be alright.

I said ok and I took the trash out and just as I put the trash down I fell and broke my wrist so badly I had to have surgery and have a four inch pin put in my arm and of course I couldn't type or take care of the baby I loved and this is what my mean spirits wanted to make me suffer.

The only way I have learned to deal with them is to analyze thoughts coming from the Spirit world and ask myself which one is giving me the thoughts and are the good thoughts or bad thoughts, and will they be good or bad for me.

Keep in mind that Andrea Yates a religious apparently good mother suddenly drowned five of her children, and she told authorities for quite sometime a voice in the Spirit World kept telling her to kill her children and send them to Heaven to be with God and I believe this was a Spirit who hated Andrea Yates but loved the children who told her this and now the children are in the Spirit world and Andrea Yates is in jail and the world has labeled her insane and this is just the way an Evil Spirit wants it.

My suggestion is, analyze all thoughts which come to you and if it harms you or others don't listen to that quiet inter sometimes compulsive voice that tells you this over and over because this could be an Evil Spirit speaking to and through you trying to see what power it has over you and trying to see what it can cause you to do.

These are the Evil forces the Bible talks about and it tells us to be strong and turn ourselves from Evil.

I am not here to preach but to tell everyone first hand I know these things because since l986 three of my relatives and Stergiio a man I knew before he died in l985 have since the First Anniversary of his death been sitting inside my body hoping no one will ever believe these things can happen to a human but I know first hand they can.

Six years ago Stergios wife died and last december his first born son died and he doesn't care enough about them to get out of my body and go join them.

He prefers to stay with my three possessing relatives who have dubbed themselves Satan's followers and they are playing the game of possessing the Soul of Stergio and unless he breaks free and joins his loved ones in the Spirit World I am not sure what will happen to him.

Stergio says he doesn't want to leave me and Carrie and Eve who were female game players when they walked the Earth have taken the position if he doesn't go with them and declare himself a satans follower they will continue to sit inside my body and try to kill me.
I am no longer afraid of them but they do cause pain but you have to see the situation they have created for themselves as they sit inside my body surrounded by body fluids and body waste and blood and guts and so can you imagine the four of them living like that inside my body since l985?

What will eventually happen to them?

Only time will tell.

Are they the Demons that the Bible tells us about, or are they just four malajusted Earthlings who have the ability to crawl into a Human Body and become what is known as Possessing Spirits?

They hope to convince the World that Spirits who do automatic writing have to enter a body to do this but this isn't true I speak to Higher Forms of Spirits in the Universe through mental Telepathy all the time.

They are good spirits and they want to give good information to the World and my three Realtives and Dr. P. believe their playing Evil Demons and declaring themselves Satan's followers will scare everyone away from my Paranormal Research but as you can see they are teaching the World that yes Spirits can behave like this if they so choose.
How do Spirits enter Human Bodies?
Through the usual body cavities.

Hmmm....interesting, so Rosemary, do the realtives who allowed you to watch thier children know that you have conversations with dead ppl and that you think you are possessed?

Sure and they just tell me to tell the Spirits to go away.

My Relatives believe in Spirit Communication and have Readings from Psychics all the time, but unfortunately they are not sure about whether the Spirit of their grandparents could be sitting inside my body.

My Sister for example says I have been studying this for more than fourty years and I believe you could have Evil Spirits but surely its not aunt Carrie and poor Uncle George if anyone was to become an Angel its those two poor old souls.

I try to tell her in the Spirit World George is not the same old man who lost his memory to Stroke and that Carrie is not the person she was on earth old and frail now they project themselves back to a time when they were hell raisers in their younger days and somehow they have bypassed the point in their life when they became born again Cristians.

Why do they do this?
Again they say that its a Damned Lie that there is a Power in the Spirit World who can Stop them and they will not stop doing this or let me work in peace with the Guides until one of those Powers steps forward and proves he can Destroy them, or until an Exorcist proves he can drive them from this body.

So you see although they are playing Demons they are also play acting and trying to prove one way or another whether a power can force them from my body or whether an Exorcist can remove them and they have dubbed themselves not only Evil Spirits but Researchers who mean to prove something.
I at this time am a Victim, who is suffering but unafraid of them, and I don't have any idea what will eventually happen to them, so I am just relaying my story to those who are interested in Paranormal Research and sharing my own personal experiences with anyone who wants to know.

Okay, then....


Of course. I've seen them with my own two eyes.


Some entities that are supposed to be demonic in nature are said to "attack" people and there are recorded cases of violence (note the famous story behind the movie "The Entity" and others like it). However, I don't buy into demons and other religious mania. Instead, these "demonic" entities are more than likely spirits of people who were violent in life - murderers, rapists, etc. The logic I use is that if we continue on after death in spirit form, then most likely we take our personalities with us. Not all of us have kind and loving personalities, and so those with violent natures may carry these same tendencies on into the afterlife as well.



By definition, a "crime" - that which is punishable by law - cannot be committed by an entity. They may cause harm, which is different because "harm" can be any number of things from being pushed down a flight of stairs (as in one notable ghost story from the 1800's) to scratches/bites/throwing things (poltergeists) and even possession. These things happen all the time, but they are not "crimes" per se - they are "Harm" done to living humans and they cannot be held accountable except by God, if that's how you believe.



No - these earthly crimes were committed by living, breathing human beings. Even the notorious White Chapel Murders - which have grown legendary over time - were committed by a living person. Some say now that Jack the Ripper still haunts, hunts and kills in London, but I highly doubt it. For one thing, what is the motivation for a ghost to kill if there's an Afterlife? Killers kill because they HATE people, and if killing brings more people into the afterlife, wouldn't the victims then cling to their killer for all eternity? Sounds to me, logically, that killing is the last thing the ghost of a murderer would want to do. But they may still enjoy hurting people and causing stress. Some say that an evil entity actually "feeds" off of stress caused on a living person. Therefore, they may harm a person but not necessarily kill them.


This, I admit, may be possible. I'm thinking of the Son of Sam here. Some say that "Sam" was an actual entity that spoke to David Berkowitz through his dog. This follows along the lines that maybe people who are considered insane by today's standards (those who hear voices and "see" people who aren't there) are actually able to contact the dead, who in turn manipulate them into committing crimes in this world. There are people who have actually tried to claim this as a defense in court.


Of course there are bad entities out there. Some may want to harm the living, but not necessarily kill them. Again, I reiterate my paragraph above in regard to harm.



Well, there you have it.

Well said.

I still find it interesting that even though we're as technologically advanced as we are, stories of ghosts & such still prevail, stronger than ever. There has to be something to it, and the human race is foolish to think that we know all there is to know and have patent explanations for every paranormal event that occurs in our world.

Shakespeare said it best: "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

Sorry, but your photo of "Eve" makes her look somewhat skanky. Besides I can't picture Eve with a navel piercing. I mean, really...

I agree with a lot of what you say, except the demon angle. There are no demons (inhuman entities), just bad people who've gone on to the afterlife.

to ERainbowTurned2Stone:
I have been reading your posts and I believe you speak with great knowledge and verify in your writing what I know from first hand experiences, so thanks for Posting.

We have several posters here who flatly claim that they are absolutely sure that "demons" do not exist. I'm usually skeptical of anyone claiming certaintly in these most dubious areas of enquiry, but particularly in this instance. Because we're being asked to dismiss the testimony of many witnesses, based on what? The testimony of the witnesses who say demons don't exist. The credibility of these self-proclaimed experts rests on the very thing they'd have us reject: testimony.

We're in a dangerously cynical frame of mind if we go around dismissing eyewitness accounts just because our worldview can't accomodate them.

I'll tell you what I think: Either "demons" or some things very like demons exist, or else something is doing a very good job of imitating demons.

oops, posted twice. :\

Skanky? Hardly! She's smoking hot!

If I was a movie producer/director/casting agent, I'd base every female lead on her. Get away from the anorexic types today and go with a woman who is truly voluptuous and beautiful.

Not to be argumentative, but you're entitled to your opines/belief structure, as I am entitled to mine.

These are my answers to your post. Sometimes, I am BOTH a skeptic and a believer because when paranormal activities occur, at first, i would try to find a rational explanation, just like a skeptic BUT if i could not get a right explanation to why it happen, then i would view activities as a believer and assuming that they are paranormals....



There is no doubt that ghosts/spirits/demons exist. (Please note that unlike western view, in Asia, Demons are just Evil Spirits with high emotion of anger and power). Yes, I do believe and i viewed paranormal as Science. Paranormal activities were being observed by scientists around the world for years. Unfortunately, most evidences were dismissed by many scientists during the debate since they are not solid evidences. They were "officially dismissed" but that does not mean that the scientists do not believe that these paranormal activities are happening. They do not either have evidence vice versa to prove that they don't exist. I also believe that in the future, paranormal subject would become Science and not Religion just like it is happening with EVPs (Electronic Voice Phenomena).



Personally, i heard of bizarre cases. If you travel to Southeast Asia, where many people died violently and when they were alive, they were filled with anger then you might be able to hear these strange rare cases of angry, evil spirits/ghosts/demons. This also corresponds to the mentality and the culture of SE Asian people. Based on my knowledge, the people from SE Asia are very hot-blooded people so that might explain to why there are more angry ghosts in that region of the globe than any other places. For example, the common case was that i heard of people being suffocated by the famous Thai "Aarm Ghost" since it disable respiratory system after causing sleep paralysis on the bed or immobilization. (for westerners: Shadow People) The Thai authorities and media assumed them to be the victims of these spirits since many had witnessed and believe in paranormals. In SE Asia, about 98% of the people took this subject seriously than many westerners. However, the most bizarre cases were the victims of "Porp Ghost" because their intestines were being eaten. Skeptics would say that intestines were removed for illegal selling or they were eaten by cannibals or wild animals but none of these claims convince the Thai authorities and the people. Today, the "Porp Ghost" case almost never occur and they are very very rare but it became as a legend. I am not just talking about simple injury scratch but "being killed". CAN YOU IMAGINE? IT IS AWFUL AND SCARY!

Your question is a very elementary question and it was asked again and again by many skeptics. Of course, they could be extremely dangerous. The threat ranges from a simple injury (scratch on skin) to killing. (whether you are scared or not) Throwing a stone to a person's head is enough to kill a person and to commit crime. The entity's sin would be increased and they shall continue to suffer by remaining as a prisoner within their haunting area or suffer in the next life (based on Bhuddism's belief). Thai "Pret Ghosts" are good examples of those people who commited a lot of sin and became these tall ugly ghost with their mouth hanging after they died as a punishment by God. They are suffering and they could not even talk due to their hanging mouth because it is said that these people used to make ugly speeches when they were alive and they are tall so that they could not move easily as a punishment process. If you go to a country like Thailand, everyone, believes in the possibility in becoming this ghost as a punishment by God, if they commit a lot of sin.



That is possible, you already heard about exorcism. don't you? It is up to us to believe whether they can control our minds or not. For example: The Amityville Horror cases of DeFeo family and Lutz family are good examples.



It is said that different ghosts have different emotional energy due to different level of anger. The ones that are bad and evil would tend to be like a demon which has a high emotion of anger and power to haunt the places and to do harm or causing paranormal activities in those areas. Normally these were people who had a sad,angry life. According to Bhuddism, these bad spirits will always suffer and spend time haunting due to their evilness and jealousness and their stuffs in the living world that they do not want to leave behind: (love, belongings, house, their dead body, anger, jealous, selfish, family, revenge)
UNTIL they forget about these things and start to leave the living world and stop interacting and scaring the livings and go to heaven or reborn/reincarnation into a different identity based on their sin... Anyway this is a bhuddism belief and i am not obbligating you to believe but IT MAKES SENSE TO ME AND TO MANY PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD REGARDING TO THEIR RELIGION.

You know; about six months ago or so; I would have been all over you and tearing you apart apart for even mentioning such a ridiculous notion as "Demons"..
Since then however, a friend I had mentioned casting out a "Demon" that lived inside me; and my life has been completely changed..
Mind you; he did this before I was even aware of anything he did, or even that I might have some kind of Supernatural infestation, if that's the correct term..
On that very day; two days before I spoke to him; I felt renewed and refreshed; with a new lease on life..
Mayhaps that's just ordinary average life; feeling life anew; but since this friend lives in Australia and has never met or seen me; his words and what he said he did led me to believe just a bit; given the circumstance; and the fact that I felt like I did in the abscence of any info given to him..
So yes..Although I don't even come close to claiming to know what Demons might be or what the ultimate purpose is; I think perhaps that I do believe they exist and that they can effect people..

So far as i know, there are 2 strong evidences of demons:

1. The Haunted Barton Mansion Video showed an entity with sharp-edge ears and little horns emerged from the closet and scared away the 2 explorers. Barton Mansion was created by DR. Barton but it was abandoned and it was used for body dumping and satanic worship. This one scared me till today.
http://www.bartonmansion.com/video_2.html

2. A night vision camera captured a creature that resembled a demon in Spain "Chupacabra", chasing a deer. It is said that the creature eat the deers at night.






These are the evidence that i downloaded from the websites of ghosts.

Oh God! Please don't use that Chupa photo! It's been picked apart and discredited worldwide at this point..Definately photoshop..Draw from what you know yourself; even if folks don't believe you..
At least you yourself will know it's right then..

The existence of the creature was not being discredited by scientists because we have no evidence to prove that they do not exist. I don't know if the picture is fake or not but what i know was that there were thousands of cases of dead animals which were believed to be killed by this creature. There is a possibility for its existence since there are too many cases and who could kill these animals in this way so do not jump to the conclusion folks.

CHECK THIS OUT: maybe this is Chupacabra...
http://www.click2houston.com/news/4895017/detail.html


The creature might also be a type of dog and not a demon. In fact a Texas farmer claimed to have captured it lately.

It would be foolish to dismiss the existence of this creature completely and thats the mistake that skeptics normally do but since i am a scientific person and not just a believer, i would not dismiss it and i would try to find more information about the creature rather than looking at the example photo that i had shown. Dude, it could also have been a new species of predator and it would be interesting for us to find out. Isn't?

PS: AND DO NOT BOTHER ME, SAYING THAT THIS IS JUST ANOTHER FAKE PHOTO. THIS ONE MIGHT BE REAL. WHY WOULD I SPEND MY USEFUL TIME TO SHOW YOU HUNDREDS OF PHOTOS OF CHUPA AND THOSE DEAD ANIMALS SINCE YOU UNDERSTAND EXACTLY WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT? WHY IS IT A PROBLEM TO POST A PICTURE OF CHUPA? IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT I AM ASSURING THAT THE PICTURE IS REAL SINCE IT IS NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY..

And I would have agreed with you.



Same here. I'm willing to entertain the idea because so many reasonable-seeming people report encounters with things that act like what we'd describe as demons. I have no idea what they are. Maybe they're just acting according to human frames of reference. Who knows? But I'm not going to automatically shoot down anyone for saying they've seen one.

And I still preface my thoughts with qualifications like "if these things exist" and "whatever they are."

I'm right on the same page with you; my friend, and would like to suscribe to your newsletter..

As for the photo PI provided; it's obviously a Kangaroo..I don't dismiss the possibility of Chupa out of hand; but we've come to the point in crypto, or any other unaccredited field of investigation, that any unknown photo has become a "Chupacabras"..
And that isn't right..
Although we have faith in the unseen world; we must balance that with the knowledge we've earned the hard way on this harsh planet; and not go chasing rainbows or pots of gold..
The truth is out there; but we'll never find it if we buy into every new thing that comes along simply because it has some shock value..
Either way; this has nothing to do with ghosts and I'm sorry if I've derailed this conversation..

I do believe in demons but i don't think that chupacabras are demons even if the legend and the people of the past said that it resembled a demon. People in the past don't have a lot of knowledge about animals. Maybe ignorance is a nice word. I do believe that chupacabras exist.

The creature that was captured was a mix of dog, rat and a kangaroo and it is now on its way to Texas Park and Wildlife to be officially determine. It could not be a kangaroo since it is located in Texas and i personally never see a kangaroo in a natural environment like Texas', outside Australia. The legend might be right about the creature's existence but it is possible that it had misinterpretated or identifying the creature wrongly.

Why is it a problem to post such an image of Chupa? I am not saying that it is real because these pictures were not being officially determine as a Solid evidence of Chupa.

Anyway folks, i am waiting to hear the answer even though it has nothing to do with the topic.
Because we do not always waist too much time with the old knowledge we earned so this is why it is good to go and find new knowledge. Isn't wonderful?
Listening to the people of the past, and using the only knowledge we earned/got is not enough to help Science and to develope our world and knowledge.

To get back to the topic, i believe that demons are just evil spirits with emotion of anger which made it powerful. It may sound very bias but that is my assumption. In Asia, people normally do not use the word "demon" and it is not because they do not see demons but it is because they identified them as ghosts or evil spirits.

I'm assuming here that you know that Kangaroos are widely owned and bred by many US collectors; and that many have escaped..In Great Britain as well for that matter..
Other than that I agree with you about chupa..If it exists, it's no Demon, but an undocumented species..
But if it is natural we will find it and classify it..
The problem is; so far it's always turned out to be a wild dog of some sort..

Dude... as i posted above, they (Texas farmers) found and captured an unknown mystery creature that happens to look like a kangaroo. If it is a kangaroo then they would have release it or give it back to the owner so i think that this must be chupa but i still do not want to jump to a conclusion.

The problem is that your statements easily jump to a conclusion and that is not a good practice.

By the way, i hope that this is history and that this capture would solve the mystery of chupacabras. For the moment, i don't fully dismiss the believer's view that Chupacabras are existing demons since we don't know who is responsible for killing thousands of other animals or we do not have evidence for vice versa to prove that it does not exist.
More photos of this weird animal could be found on: http://www.click2houston.com/news/4895017/detail.html
(just for those who are interested)

PS: I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE IN DETERMINING WHETHER THE PHOTOS ARE BEING EDITED OR NOT BUT I AM JUST FOLLOWING THE NEWS. POSTING IMAGES OF CHUPAS DOES NOT MEAN THAT I AM D**M SURE THAT THEY ARE REAL.

Dude.... I'd just like to point out that the entire chupa legend started in the mid-seventies' as the Moche Vampire. In short order it became our chupa. Even in that context until about two years ago the chupa legend existed solely in the predominantly Hispanic persausion. Now that were forced to integrate this story pops up everywhere, especially in Texas. Now please tell me this; what sort of monster exclusively follows a selected ethnic group? Other than Jesse Jackson?

To Paranormal Investigator:

I've been reading your posts this morning and find them very knowledgeable and I believe you are doing a great job so keep it up.

Like you I too believe that Demons applies to angry Spirits and I know this first hand.
I have been posting here since Last september 2005 telling about my Experiences and everything I write is the absolute truth but unprovable.

All I can do is tell my Story and hope as time goes on and more and more people learn from their own research and experiences as you are doing that they will begin to see how important the experiences I am writing about are to paranormal research.

The thing in the video looks like a person wearing a sheet and a demon type Halloween mask - and a bad one, I might add. The video image is way too short to see anything. - I had to look at the stills to get an idea of what your post was about.

That made me lol! That's a good point!

Look, I don't care about what ethnic/race makes this legend but as a good investigator, i would not jump to any conclusions without an evidence.

Based on what i know is that the legend originally come from Spain and was spreaded to other Hispanic countries which got Spanish influence and maybe it is a culture thing like Dracula from Romania was a legend that also spreaded in western world and might had been twisted by other non-Romanians. It does not matter what you believe because it is just a belief and has no evidence to prove or prove vice versa. It could also had been what many Americans called Big Foot! Who knows. So dont be too serious about where the legend comes from or who said it or who spreaded it.

Anyway dude, i am not a Hispanic and i am not a Spanish so i dont know much about chupa, but like i said before, i knew that there are many evidences of dead animals being killed in USA, Mexico, etc.... by an undiscovered creature. Despite what i believe but I am just neutral for the momment because there is not enough evidence. Just like a crime scene, you got a suspect but you still had to prove that the suspect had committed murders. Why are you waisting my time with this question? hmmmmmmmmmm......

That is what many western skeptics used to say and maybe it is the mentality of many westerners or it is just because many are stubborn people. Because it could had been a hoax or some stupid people could had just act like a ghost but does not mean that it is a hoax. IT MIGHT.... We should actually be moderate and it would be foolish to dismiss the claims of paranormal activities in the universe.
And.... who the heck would be standing there filming the entity while they were completely screwed by the unnatural power? They also felt uncomfortable using the stair and felt that the wall was coming closer. (based on their story on the website). The video was more than 2 hours long but only the short part was shown when the entity emerged from the closet. What you said was what i heard thousands of time and it is very elementary and superficial. Of course that it looks like a person because they were once living people and notice that the apparition (like most) are not very clear and slightly transparent. Anyway, what ever it is, that was scary!

ALL EVIDENCES ARE NON SOLID EVIDENCE AND WERE NOT OFFICIALLY ACCEPTED BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT THEY ARE ALL FAKES. DUE TO SOME STUPID PEOPLE WHO TWISTED THE EXISTENCE OF ENTITIES. I BELIEVE THAT IN THE FUTURE, SCIENCE WOULD ACCEPT THESE CLAIMS AND TAKE SUBJECT MORE SERIOUSLY, RATHER THAN SAYING THAT AN IDIOT WAS IN THAT CLOSET AND DRESSING IN A DEMON SHEET.

In Southeast Asia, it is a taboo to make jokes and hoax about death because the people respect for the spirits. It does not give you a good luck for teasing or making jokes or hoax of the ghosts or those who died. There are children making jokes and became crazy and ended up in a mental hospital because the spirit of the Thai legend Nak came to haunt them and the doctor was having a hard time to explain in scientific way. (The children were in another city while the haunted location of "NAK" was located in a different city and it was on newspaper and other media) CAN YOU POSSIBLY IMAGINE?! This is because the SE Asians understood their culture but many westerners do not. It is very understandable and i can assure and guarantee you that most people in SE Asia do not make hoax about these things and the evidences they obtained could have been real. Forget about the Halloween or the western skeptic way of thinking because they do not match in SE Asian environment and western skeptic way of thinking is almost not use by the locals.

You have rights to dismiss this claim but you have no evidence to convince me that there is a stupid actor in the closet because i saw that the closet was empty before the entity emerged out. I recommend you to go to the Barton Mansion next time and spend many nights there. (this is not a guarantee to see that entity but there is high possibility to detect it and in case if you distrust the video of people who already had visited the place). That Mansion is cursed! Anyway dude, you are not a video expert.

We're not in Asia, your logic makes little sense to me, and if you don't want ppl nit -picking the cr*ppy pics/video links you post, then don't post them on an open forum with believers AND skeptics as members.

Dude, if you wanna believe that a photoshopped pic is a Chupra, that a kangaroo is a Chupra, and that a guy in a sheet and a halloween mask is a ghost, go for it, but don't try to shovel it down my throat as truth.

I may not be a video expert, but from what you chose to post as evidence, well, neither are you.

I am both skeptic and believer and I have rights to post images just like you all have rights to post poor ignorant statements that just jumped to a conclusion for the worse. I am not in Asia and i am not an Asian but it is just my freedom of speech and expression. For example Falco's statements are bias and makes no sense to me either and you are blaming to start a fight. You would never understand it because you do not have other people's view. I assume that it is people's ignorance to jump to a conclusion but it is their freedom of speech. You have your say and I have my say. Don't come to this forum to blame on videos and photos posted by other people because it is useless and it is very low thing to do. For example: I would have said that the thing looks like a true demon which emerged from the closet or I personally believe that is not an idiot acting like a demon and that is my belief with no solid evidence. CAN YOU BLAME ME? Those are the ONLY Evidences i saw whether it is being edited or not, I DO NOT CARE because it is a non solid evidence. Assuming that it is a kangaroo was already a demonstration of your ignorance and childishness. That Kangaroo-Like animal was Elmendorf Beast, a canine like creature shot in Elmendorf, Texas, in August 2004 which was suppose to be Chupacabra and suppose to look like a demon so don't be silly.

I AM REPEATING THE SAME THING AGAIN AND AGAIN: I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE IN DETERMINING WHETHER THE PICTURES I POSTED ARE REAL AND I AM NOT SAYING THAT IS REAL SINCE THEY ARE NOT SOLID EVIDENCE. GET IT DUDE OR YOU GOT A PROBLEM WITH ME?

This is how you must behave and do when coming to an open forum:

1. Just take a look and if you are not interested then leave.

2. Stop blaming on the posters' comments and the non-solid evidences they posted to start a fight.

3. Stop making prejudgements and foolishly jumping to a conclusion.

4. If you disagree with other's belief, then do not blame and just keep it to yourself.

5. If you think that it is fake/real, do not prejudge that it is fake/real since you are not a video expert but keep it as a belief.

6. It does not matter where you come from or what you believe but making fake, bias statement/prejudgements is not a good practice and people would ignore you or think that you are crazy.

Anyway, i shall ignore ignorant statements made by other members like (falco rex), and prejudgements with no evidence to your claims but you have rights to express your opinion. STOP BLAMING ON OTHER PEOPLE'S POST SINCE YOU ARE NOT ANY MORE A SMALL CHILD. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT THEN JUST IGNORE AND LEAVE. I POST IT FOR THE PEOPLE TO DECIDE ON THEIR OWN AND FOR THOSE WHO HAD NEVER SEEN IT AND ALL EVIDENCES ARE NON-SOLID.
I am not soo interested in discussing about the pictures of Chupacabra but i am more interested in talking about possible existence of the legendary Demon Chupacabra which was suppose to be a demon, as well as talking about Ghosts, Spirits so please stick to the original topic.
Take it easy, it is just non-solid evidences and I did not make these photos and videos. JEEZ!

THE CONVERSATION WAS ALREADY BEING FOOLISHLY DERAILED BY FALCO REX SO DO NOT RE-DERAIL IT AGAIN! YOU NEED HELP AND YOU NEED TO MAKE CONSTRUCTIVE INTELLECTUAL ARGUMENTS OTHERWISE PEOPLE MIGHT THINK THAT YOU ARE IGNORANT AND CRAZY.
I AM SICKENED TIRED AND I MUST GO. HAVE A NICE DAY!

When people die they are taken to 3rd heaven or spiritual realm its like a confinement place where they wait for judgement resurrection.People who died a bad way and are not at peace linger on and they are mainly active at night

If it was Eve why would she hiss at you with a long tounge?

Whatever I was just thinking, that picture made me forget it.

I know everytime I see it I forget what the topic is....
Why is PI so mad? He keeps yelling.