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timetraveller
Hi, I'm new here. It's nice to see that a forum exists were people share thoughts about life, the universe and everything original.gif
It has always bugged me that my consciousness one day might stop to exist, but I have this theory I think is interesting and I would like to see what you guys think of this idea.

Ok, this is a bit complicated to explain, especially since English isn't my native language, but here goes...This idea is based on that there's no meaning to life and no afterlife or spiritual soul. (-things I cannot explain or never experienced is something my simple logic have problems convince myself into)
A lot of scientist have theories about time not being a continuous forward line, time is dynamic. Like Einstein, if I'm not mistaking, is saying that time is relative and the closer up to speed you are going the more you are moving towards the future until you reach speed of light then you go backward (or something like that). Anyway, it really doesn't matter how this works exactly, as far as it has been "proven" that objects can move in time in different speeds.
It has also been done experiments that proves this, for example:
“To physicists, time is what’s measured by clocks. Using this definition, we can manipulate time by changing the rate of clocks, which changes the rate at which events occur. Einstein showed that time is affected by motion, and his theories have been demonstrated experimentally by comparing time on an atomic clock that has traveled around the earth on a jet. It’s slower than a clock on earth.”

Whether mankind will ever be able to move in time isn't relevant. What I mean is if something can be in a different timeframe than what I'm right now, all time can and must exists, unless there's of course some main time developing time. But nonetheless time behind that must exists at all time. If some object is in front of me in time, then who is to say what is the future or what is the past.
Then this proves (in my simple logic) that my body, my existence and my life will always be in my own timeframe. Therefore I will always exist.

So once I die, I will start my life over. Infect I live all my life at once, but to me it seems like one streamlined experience because I have a brain that works in such a way that it adds up memories and these memories are what makes me experience my life the way that I do. But, my whole life can still exist all at once, because memories only stacks up for every second, what happens in f.ex 20 years is not something that can be brought back to today. SO, therefore my life moves in one direction for my brains experience and for me I will always feel that I live my life as one life (over and over) but as a 1st experience every time. (hard to explain this, but it makes sense to me original.gif )

Whether or not time is determined and you're life is the very same every time you live it, I can't say. My guess is that you don't have any free will, because it has already happened and you only "feel" that it's your own choice. Or time can of course be dynamic (I wouldn't know), history can constantly change, but for you it will never matter because once things change in history it will change the outcome all the way through and you wouldn't have noticed. But, my guess time is already set, future and past exists on top of each other and I have not free will even though it feels this way (it would have felt the same no matter)...but "ignorance is bliss" (as they say in The Matrix original.gif )

Another thing that for me is supporting this theory is that if time is infinite, this time should never have occurred, unless it has always existed. My part of this space continuum is so small that even if it has come to this time, it should have been long gone, unless it still happens :Does this make sense ?

Also, a funny irony in this, if my theory makes sense. Is that Scientists saying that once your body dies you will cease to exist and you will have no consciousness anymore. But, most of them still believes in time travel as in theory (a lot even believes that if time travel would be possible in a practical manner you could visit your grandfather) well, if I could visit my grandfather an he is already dead, does this mean that consciousness dies but time doesn't. Then it would prove that we have a non physical soul which dies even though our body doesn't and I would have met a living grandfather with no consciousness of his own existence (meaning a living dead grin2.gif )
But, like I said, for me time is not dynamic, if someone would ever travel to meet their grandfather which has already lived that has then already happened.

A lot of text, sorry, but I feel it's a good theory so I wanted to try to explain it as detailed as I could. Hope some of you will read it original.gif
L815
<- 0 -> Infinite

Time = Past, Present, Future

Past < Present < Future = Unknown

Stream of light (Time, Past, Present) -----------> X(Get here) and you can see the past because present hasn't reached X.


It is kind of hard to define time when there is no exact given definition.
Literal, or scientific.

Time could be existant in the universe naturaly, but measured by our means of understandment.

Now, with the knowledge of conciousness, we don't KNOW if we have a spirit. But, our conciousness is a big part of what can make up a soul/spirit. It all depends on your beliefs. You may die, and wake up in another body with your conciousness, but without being aware of your previous life.



You can think of it as a entity, which is like a ball of energy. Once you die, your being escapes as an energy, then manifests itself unto a newborn, which has not learned anything yet, but has the ability to learn, which can be brought onto them from our previous existance without you ever knowing. Because no matter who you are, or who has existed, no one on this planet will ever know all. Thus, we all learn throughout everyday of our lives. That is the ability to learn, the given power we have. Which is just transfered from being to being.
timetraveller
I think I understand what you mean about time. But what you are explaining isn't actually "time travel", this is the fact that you will be able to see the past if you travel faster than light. Because light is what makes what we see, and if you travel faster than light, well it would be like traveling faster than sound then you can listen to the same recording again but instead you travel faster than "picture/light". But, if an atomic clock circulates the earth in a different speed than one on ground, and then the time is different even when it comes back it has in fact spent less time than the clock on ground (and they won't ever be synchronized the way I've interpret this) that would mean that the clock which circulated in a jet with a quicker movement would be further into the future than the clock on ground, which means that we are not the present time anymore...so how can you then say that this time is the present time ? It only feels that way because you are in this time.

Or am I lost ?

I'm not talking about the soul as an entity moving back and forth. I'm trying to explain that you are within your body at ALL times, it only feels that your consciousness moves as your brain is adding memory (pictures and sound and senses) like frames of a movie. Therefore it feels like your life is moving forward. If you jump back to 10 years back and then here, well you wouldn't notice because you would regained the memory of all the 10 years experienced between and if you jump 10 years forwad and back you wouldn't notice because you can't bring those memories back, SO even if you do exists inside your body at all times it would feel like its moving one way for the 1st time every time. I'm getting confuzed by thinking of this, time for sleep original.gif
L815
Yeah so am i. I don't think i fully understand what you are saying.

I know it isn't "time travel" but the theory of time travel is what i explained, in as you can see the past. Time travel isn't being in the past, it is traveling faster than light to see the past. There is no way to "relive" 1980 or whatever. You can only, supposedly, pass the stream of light which holds the present and past.


The entity moving was a theory i made up. Doesn't have to be true tongue.gif


The way the brain works: You see an image through the eyes, which then gets reverted back to a straight upright picture. The receptors in your cornea (sp?) turn these signals into electronic waves or pulses which get sent to the back of your brain, the image block of your brain. Thats how images are conceived.

Now, could you explain exactly what you mean by:

Moving forward
Then Jump back 10 years
Then back to where you started

I don't understand how you wouldn't notice because of regained memory?

The memory wouldn't disappear when you go back 10 years, you'd still be able to recall going back 10 years, right?
timetraveller
Hey, I guess this theory became a bit too much for people to bother understanding.

Ok, I will try to explain for you what I mean.

About Timetravel, I don't think traveling faster than light and the catching up with it after is "timetravel". That's just traveling faster than light. But, both Einstein and a lot of Scientists (as well as the clock experiment I talked about) they believe that in theory you can travel in time and actually interact with that time. And what I'm saying once you have moved one object faster forward in time it must mean that all time must exists in its own timeframe.

what I meant about moving back and forth 10 years. Well, that was just to lay out an example to make it clearer, but I guess it don't. What I mean is that you live and your consciousness is inside your body at all times from when you comes out of your mothers belly till you die. And you live your whole life all at once but at all time, it will never end. The reason why you can only feel that it is moving forward is what you explained "The way the brain works: You see an image through the eyes, which then gets reverted back to a straight upright picture. The receptors in your cornea (sp?) turn these signals into electronic waves or pulses which get sent to the back of your brain, the image block of your brain. That's how images are conceived."

SO, even if you live as 10 year old and a 20 year old and a 30 year old (then I mean ALL ages) at the same time you wouldn't notice, because when you are in your 30 yrs age, all what the brain has gathered since 20 is there, so even though the consciousness is there at all ages at the same time if will feel like you are moving forward since your brain is constantly gaining experience from one minute to another.

That's why I mean that life is Eternal, you have lived your life forever and you will forever. So once you die, well there's no more for the brain to experience and you will continue living the life you have always lived from age 0 again.

I guess I'm having trouble explaining this in a way that people would understand. But, what I'm trying to prove is that you live an eternal life regardless if you have a soul or not and regardless if you would reincarnate.
ValpoSeeker
[attachmentid=25388]I think you can move backward in time without violating the laws of physics but forward in time thats a different story. The future hasnt happened yet and times arrow creates the future. I think at least bound by the laws of this Universe it would equate to traveling back before time. Once you leave the bounds of the Universe though time and cause and effect would have no meaning. I have thought about it and I think possibly there is no difference between future and past if there is time and anti-time. Its hard to expalin but imagine if the anti-time was creating the past and our present is creating the anti-past and the future is where the two meet. Does that make any sense?
L815
Here is my quick theory of time etc... with a quick paint drawing:
user posted image
L815
Here is my quick theory of time etc... with a quick paint drawing:
user posted image
timetraveller
Actually, with "proven" theories, I think, you can move forward. Einsteins relative theory indicates that everyone moves in time depending on what speed they are in, meaning that if you are sitting in a plane time goes "slower" that one standing still (or faster, depending on how you look at it)... But, you need to go in such a high speed until it would be noticable anyway. There are also particles moving in lightspeed towards earth which has proven to move differently in time because of their high speed (can't remember the names of these particles) But, the point is that once someone can move backward OR forward in time, both future and past must exist. Because if one particle moves into future faster than us, we are the the past, and if it moves backward we are then the future. So, once you can move in time either way, both backward and forward can and must exist. I don't know all about time theories though, but enough to know that theoreticly our world consists of more that one straight timeline....

...which leads to the meaning of my topic and why I wrote this in the first place...
I wasn't trying to explain time theory but why "you" as a person will because of a dynamic timeline always exist. So, with our time theories I tried to explain why everyone has an "eternal" life. I just think the idea is interesting wink2.gif
But, I guess I'm not writing this clearly enough for people to understand. It's not too easy to grasp unless you read what I write very carefully - it can easily get very confuzing original.gif
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