It came to my attention that some people were doubting Jan's account of her Sasquatch having blue urine. Knowing her only through corresponding, the subject never came up. So, when people were saying she was crazy for the Sas having blue urine, I took it upon myself to find out just why pee CAN be blue.

So, here is my material, and my links. In Jan's defense, I think you all might want to take a second look at her story and realize that you may be missing out on some important and vital information about Sasquatch, based on not informing yourself of FACTS first before forming opinions. Now, when I heard blue pee, I did lift a brow, but being of open mind, I decided not to slaughter her before I researched some possible causes that would be plausible and medical.

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http://www.globalrph.com/urine.htm
The Significance of Abnormal Urine Color
Martha K. Terris, M.D.
Assistant Professor of Urology
Chief of Urology, Veterans Affairs Palo Alto Health Care System

http://urology.stanford.edu/articles/abnormal_urine.html

BLUE / GREEN
Blue or green urine may be caused by a blue dye such as methylene blue, a component in several medications (Trac Tabs, Urised, Uroblue) used to reduce symptoms of bladder inflammation or irritation (1,6). Administration of the dye, indigo carmine, turns the urine green and can last for several days if renal function is poor. While more often reported to cause pink urine, the anesthetic, propofol, has also been reported to cause green coloration of the urine (11). Amitriptyline, indomethacin, resorcinol, triamterine, cimetidine, phenergan, and several multivitamins also lend a blue-green tint to the urine (6). An inherited form of high calcium (called "familial hypercalcemia") can result in blue urine, which has lent this disease the nickname "blue diaper syndrome" (12). Another metabolic disorder, indicanuria, can cause blue urine due to tryptophan indole metabolites (12).
A blue pigment may also be produced by infection with the bacteria Pseudomonas (1,2). Dark green pigmentation, especially if associated with air (known as "pneumaturia"), urinary tract infection, and/or solid particles in the urine, can be caused by bile when there is a fistula between the urinary tract the intestines.

This is an incredibly strange subject, yet i'm interested. Is there anything, in the list of things the turns piss blue, that's actually found in nature?

I believe that all of the highlighted blue, excluding the first explanation can be found to be natural causation. Heredity, metabolic imbalance, and bacterial infection.

Oh my bad, I thought you were looking for an explanation as to why the bigfoots urine might be blue (i.e., something in its diet)

Beware Bigfoot : you make get the deadly "blue urine disease".

I forwarded my post to Mr. Will Duncan and this was his reply pertaining to the subject:
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X,

It is my understanding that when Jan said "pee a blue stream" she meant it the same way people do when they say someone did something "like a blue steak". That is, it was meant as a colloquialism denoting copious, but not necessarily blue, urination. People who have seized on this remark to deride her are misinformed.

Regards, Will

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So, not only were the ridiculers misinformed, but so was I. When put in this context, it makes more sense, but at least a natural, scientific explanation was found even if they did happen to pee blue.

I do notice that the hecklers seem to have gotten rather quiet since. ??? Wonder why....

Advocate you take away the blue pee she still crazy with her claims of it talking, being telepathic, the asking for garlic and there are other examples but there is no point listing them because you want to believe you need her to be right help support your own delusion.

This rings a bit false to my ears. The "blue" in the phrase "swear a blue streak" refers to coarse or vulgar language. Thus, to "pee a blue stream" would only make sense if it was intended as an insult or degredation. The idea that bigfoot would be peeved and respond by urinating on or at something, like some kind of hairy frat boy, is a bit silly.

Also, were I to employ this particular turn of a phrase, I would say "pee a blue streak," not a blue "stream". Of course, I wouldn't employ such a phrase at all - not because I have an aversion to coarse language, but because the phrase is incredibly awkward and contrived. I, and I think a healthy portion of the population, would probably say "pee all over." Except I would probably not say pee, because I do tend to curse like a sailor.

This does not prove that this account is untrue, of course, but it is a terribly odd way of phrasing something.

For my part, when I see evidence of bigfoot - real evidence, not simple photographs and eyewitness acounts - then I will weigh that evidence accordingly. In the meantime, I shall not worry to much over whether the hypothetical ape has blue, yellow, green, or pink urine.

-Pilgrim

[QUOTE] BLUE / GREEN
Blue or green urine may be caused by a blue dye such as methylene blue, a component in several medications (Trac Tabs, Urised, Uroblue) used to reduce symptoms of bladder inflammation or irritation (1,6). Administration of the dye, indigo carmine, turns the urine green and can last for several days if renal function is poor. While more often reported to cause pink urine, the anesthetic, propofol, has also been reported to cause green coloration of the urine (11). Amitriptyline, indomethacin, resorcinol, triamterine, cimetidine, phenergan, and several multivitamins also lend a blue-green tint to the urine (6). An inherited form of high calcium (called "familial hypercalcemia") can result in blue urine, which has lent this disease the nickname "blue diaper syndrome" (12). Another metabolic disorder, indicanuria, can cause blue urine due to tryptophan indole metabolites (12).
A blue pigment may also be produced by infection with the bacteria Pseudomonas (1,2). Dark green pigmentation, especially if associated with air (known as "pneumaturia"), urinary tract infection, and/or solid particles in the urine, can be caused by bile when there is a fistula between the urinary tract the intestines. [/QOUTE]




Have you even sat down and thought about what you just said?

[quote] So, not only were the ridiculers misinformed, but so was I. When put in this context, it makes more sense, but at least a natural, scientific explanation was found even if they did happen to pee blue. wink2.gif [/quote]
I don't know how that makes sense!
There isn't a unknown large primate laid up in a hospital anywhere with a bladder or kidney infection nor are they running around the woods with Rx in there system. You people are still looney!





edit, damn quote tags

Actually it does make sense because there is a hereditary condition, a metabolic condition, and a bacterial condition, all of which could cause it to happen...and perhaps such a condition would not be painful or even require medical treatment. I've not researched each condition separately to see what treatments are required if any. You can keep your insults to yourself as well. No use for them here.

Oh now I have delusions? Sweet TS...good Lord, I have an open mind and that makes me delusional?! Well, think what you want. I'll not waste half my life trying to convince people of what they don't want to believe nor listening to people call me delusional for believing what I know exists or for researching and proving someone else correct on one count. I can't prove Jan's story 100% any more than she can. But if I want to believe her I will and that doesn't make me a lunatic or bad either. Why can't they talk? Why wouldn't they ask for garlic if they do talk? You make assumptions because you know nothing of them, have you even had a simple sighting, or been near them? I'd think of anyone, Jan and her sister and family would have more credibility and right to say what they observed being the duration of their interaction with them. And THEY aren't the only ones who experience this activity. If you don't shut your mind closed to everything that appears different you might just learn some new things. There's no harm in that at all!

First Miss Zoologist/ Doctor of Knowing it all, you have to prove that this creature exist to form any opinion on it's health or whats passed down. One thing that bothers me with you people of Mary Green and Janice Coy, you come up with conditions that humans have.
If 'You ' people want to do this, then I want proof, not idiocy of some who don't think before they conjure up things to pease themselves or make the rest of Crytozoology Field seem like Idiots.
I do know what I speak of. I have seen conditions of infections throught out my work and have yet to see a person piss blue pee other than what is caused by Medication.
What you are saying to us mass of stupidity, is that any one can piss color pee without Medication because we had it pass down through family history. Or, through infection of sorts. Unless they have another color for blood or maybe they just piss out unoxygenate blood. Now that would be something to see. Maybe thats it!

Lets discuss the 'Medical' part.

Pink/Eed would be the color which would indicate infection or something more serious. Its' what we call Blood in the Urine.
Certain foods will turn your urine to another color, Beets is one. Eat a lot of that see what happens. It not only makes you sick because it cleans the liver, but it will turn you urine 'beet red' Some other foods, But notice the words 'a lot!' You would have to eat a lot to have your urine change color.

Rainbow Pee;

Colors of the rainbow....
Pick any color
Blue
Green
Purple
Can be cause by Rx.




You're right, you have not done your research in any form. Always a telltail sign of A Green/Coy follower

What a strange subject.... I guess it could have been taken both way's.....

SLGena, I must agree with your points regarding proof of the creature and I share your skepticism regarding the blue urine. I do not agree with your tone, however. There is no call for insults. It weakens your position by making you appear arrogant and reactionay, and in turn this makes it easy for others to dismiss your arguments entirely. Besides which, Advocate is entitled to her beliefs, no matter how foolish they may appear to you or I. Presumably she has reason for her trust in Jan Coy. We should respect that, even if we cannot understand it.

Advocate, you too hold some of the blame on this score. In addition to being equally beligerent, you have brought ridicule upon yourself.



This is all but a signed invitation to be heckled. Had you held your tongue, this thread would have passed into obscurity.

In the future, a better choice of words would save you much grief.

-Pilgrim

Two explanations. Either Jan was letting Bigfoot drink from her "Mr Bob" or she uses the "Big Blue Mints" in her potty and Bigfoot is drinking from that.
Try posting this nonsense on BFF and see what kind of reception you will get from educated aldults...............

Lapi'che

I'm not here for you to agree with my tone. I don't know what postion you think I'm in.
I'm confused here. What I say doesn't weaken my position as long as I know what I'M
talking about.
Besides I happen to believe that this animal does exist. Do I have proof? No, I wished I did!
But I will take your advice and tone it down, but don't moderate me!

Yes I can agree she is entitled to her beliefs, but don't point out something Medical to which she knows nothing at all. If I have a tone, it's because people state something that they know nothing about. That is what upsets me. They look to what pleases them and their thinking, not realizing how 'they come off.' People don't pay any attention to the ones who think that this animal is a higher form of Primate and believe them to be just that. It's the loonies that the skeptics remember.
She can believe what she wants, just leave the 'ignorance' (idiocy) at home.


Thanks,

Gena

thats all there is to it.

I am not attempting to moderate you, I am only trying to avoid seeing this degrade into a pointless and petty shouting match. Your arguments are solid, but I was afraid you might not realize that you were coming off perhaps a bit more coarse than was intended.

No offense was intended and I appologize if it came across as a scolding.

-Pilgrim

Excuse me, but did you not see the article I posted, by a UROLOGIST? I DID do research, alot more than any of you bothered to do. Hello!

And further more, because YOU don't want to research it, and just insult it, then I'll research each condition, providing the required links and articles. Not only that but my kid has an appointment with a urologist as a followup to his circ, and I'll ask him too just how common it is. AND I'll ask a zoologist about it too about how common it is in primates. If you want to provide some REAL material that supports your refuting arguments about my own research results, I'd really like to see it. I'm sure as seen as you are in the medical profession or whatnot that you can supply it.

Well, here you go folks...my research.

And as a side note to the BFF groupies on here, at least I get out of my chair, get in the woods no matter the weather, and expose myself to real field research and keep an open mind while out there. Did you guys even bother to read Jan's book, or are you borrowing others' opinions? There are no gods out there on this subject. You are neither 100% right about BF and neither am I, but at least I work very hard to prove what I believe, and if I feel the need to disprove something I work equally hard to do so. Either way, comments of the blue urine were taken out of text and mis-stated, but I researched it anyway to see if there was something to it. Try getting out of BFF and looking at other research sites and forums to broaden your view some. Get all perspectives instead of just that of a particular group. I've been to BFF, and also on pro-kill sights, and mixed. I get the spectrum and you'd be surprised at how much information you can gather by doing this as well as going into the field. Think of it as supplimental. I know alot of you think I'm being hateful and so forth, you're right, I am because I'm a little sick and tired of people berating me and putting me down for something EVEN when I supply links and decent arguments for my points without them having anything to back their caustic remarks. Sure, if someone said, "oh, but I have other information that refutes this, here is my link, and the article done by so and so professional, and here is yet another and another" I think I could really accept that, but to have someone act like they have in here is just insulting. Why would I not be irritated? I've now submitted how many links? Nine in this post alone. How many have the hecklers provided? NONE. AND they said I didn't know how to research either, yet they don't take into account what I've provided for them to refute one point. It's ridiculous.

http://journals.endocrinology.org/joe/165/.../joe1650173.htm


http://batzerlab.lsu.edu/Publications/Dein...0Metabolism.pdf
(Indicates that Familial Hypercalcemia can also be present in primates. Please refer to first bold paragraph)

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.f...8&dopt=Abstract
(and in mice)

http://www.diaglab.vet.cornell.edu/clinpat...em/hypercal.htm
(and in various animals)

Therefore, this genetic disorder can be in humans and animals. My initial argument did not indicate I think the Sas are human, however I do. BUT…I am pointing out that Familial Hypercalcemia is not a “human-exclusive” disorder. Now, let’s move on to the next disorder, Indicanuria AKA Blue Diaper Syndrome (BDS)

http://www.emedicine.com/derm/topic713.htm
I remark about frequency, by quoting the article:
• In the US: Levy et al found that the incidence of Hartnup disease in Massachusetts is 1 case per 14,219 births, approximately the same incidence as that of phenylketonuria.
• Internationally: Hartnup defect, with an overall prevalence of 1 case per 24,000 population (range, 1 case per 18,000-42,000 population), ranks among the most common amino acid disorders in humans.
http://www.oldandsold.com/articles17/colon-17.shtml
(Indicates that urine will be blue during testing by mixing it with other things…thus probably the reason it was called Indicanuria for the indigo color. So, this would not indicate blue urine, but a urine test that showed blue as denoting excessive toxicity). Now, on to the next one, a bacterial subject called Pseudomonas.
http://medic.med.uth.tmc.edu/path/00001519.htm
http://www.cehs.siu.edu/fix/medmicro/pseud.htm
http://textbookofbacteriology.net/Pseudomonas.etc.html
(also found in animals, plants, and humans)

Pilgrim, I have provided some more material regarding blue urine for the benefit of all. I did address your comment of my beligerence as well . You are right about wording of course. I shall not refute your moderating attitude as it is in good will. Of course you may find yourself moderating me again at during this particular day. hehe.

Don't let the Non believer's get you down ADVO, as long as i have been on UM there has alway's been people that, no matter what you say or show them they will insist your loony , But Don't let it get you down. Some of them are Christian's, and believe in GOD by faith alone, no proof, just a book.(and before they start on me (LOL) yes i do believe in GOD and yes i go to Church.

I asked my son the other day to explain what faith is and his answer was: Well Dad, you know when your in the living room and you turn on the TV and go to sit down in your favorite chair? you get in front of it, turn around and lose sight of the chair... but you still start to fall backward knowing in your heart and mind that the chair is still there, and when you sit, its there to hold you.

Thank you.
Your son's analogy of faith is an interesting and good view. Thank you for sharing that.

Your position wasn't weakened because of your ill attitude, it is weakened by your lack of ability to produce factual information and references before shooting off at the mouth. If it weren't for people like me (who thinks that BF is more than just a stupid ape), who push the envelope and dare to look beyond the common opinion, then you skeptics would be very bored, with nothing to insult about, and new things would never be discovered because someone dared to step outside the boundaries. I wonder how many people laughed when someone made the first atlatl...a spear throwing device. Or what about the first car, or how about the guys who flew the first plane...or maybe the first person to dare to ride a horse or elephant. Or how about the person who discovered penicillin...who would have ever thought moldy bread would have kept so many people alive and well? Or how about Columbus who defied the world by daring to say the world was round. Or Magellan who sailed around the world and proved it was truly round. Think of how many things may have seemed ridiculous at first glance, things that we have knowledge and use of today that made a difference. I'm not afraid to take a chance, and I'm very sorry that so many people are. I do know that by taking the chances I have, my life has been fuller and more exciting and interesting for it.

itso ne thing to belive in big foot its another tho belive he pisses blue has telapathic powers and asks for garlic i mean people tauht gorillas to talk in sign language and i doubt they often ask for garlic why the hell woudl it have telapathic powers? that makes no sence nor does it pissing blue nor does it asking for garlic why would it A. need garlic B. know what garlic is C. know how to speak? who taught it? who taught it how to cook?



p.s. nessie just came by my house and asked for a cup of sugar jeeze these crypts need to start preparing better before they start cooking she also said that a fairy was jsut at her house in the land of oz and asked for 3 eggs cause he was making pancakes so when the wizard came with the tlaking lion moving scarcrow and tin man could all have breakfast. ur nuts if u belive that and ur nuts if u belive big foot talks (at least in any language people could understand) pisses blue or asks for garlic

1. It has been corrected that they don't pee blue, that Jan used peeing a blue stream as we would say talking a blue streak.
2. Garlic has many properties, including: insect repellant, boosting the immune system and sustaining overall health (must I research this for you too?) As for how it knows what garlic is, well, I'd assume that if you lived in the woods as a species for however long you'd probably pick that up along the way now wouldn't you?
3. Telepathy cannot be proven really, not even amongst our own, so it's not like I can tell Jan she's full of it or not full of it.
4. As for talking, well I suppose that could be possible. Many people have heard them talking, only didn't know the language. As for who taught them how to speak, probably their parents. Why don't you go find one and ask?
5. I don't believe anyone said they cook.

As for the rest of your childish remarks, I'll just ignore them.

Well I might as well be one to 'start
Faith is not reading a book and then basing your life on it. It is a life long journey of understanding. You might want to have a think about why you go to church.
You refrences are somwhat rude, hard to imagine a practising christian being so disrespectful to something he devotes time each week to.
Your son is very perceptive.
/rant.

As for the blue pee debate, well I dunno, I know a few here have good reason to believe, and the claims do sound pretty hard to take, but to be fair, AdvocateCR is hardly throwing around one liners. The links are god reading and reputable sites. Well done on the info. This is what will prove such cryptids - if the blue pee is a myth and the claimant a hoaxer (I comment neither way untill I have the opportunity to learn some more on this person) then this is the sort of get of your butt work that will eliminate all the theories and possibilities. The best way to get to a conclusion. A Public conclusion.
No offense, but to one that has never seen any proof whatsoever of a Bigfoot outside the TV or the Internet (DamnI am sick of seeing the patty footage), there is no Bigfoot. No documentation, sketchy proof. Why the heck dosen't it pee blue? We do not now one single thing about it, it migt sprout wings and become a mothman each winter - point is most of us just don't know. If these claims are erroneous, publicly proving a point seems a good way to move forward, that way we do not keep covering the same ground. Kinda like going to the same place every year and camping for a few days and searching the same site year after year. Pointless.
I say keep the facts coming

Thank you. Basically what this whole thing proved was that even though Jan's comment was taken out of context and misused or misunderstood, I still took that and let people know that pee can be blue for reasons other than medication. Jan's story be d*mned in this instance. I was just saying IF she had meant it literally, I had some material to back her up and that is what I set out to do initially anyway. There are some things about her story that can't be proved, even if she did have picture, video, or DNA. Even some of those things I cannot prove for her either. As for my experiences, well, I'm working on gathering observations and getting set up with surveillance equipment. There are times, given the nasty attitudes of critics and the like that I feel like saying, "go to heck...why should I bother spending my precious time and resources proving something to someone who is so hateful? Why do you any favors? Get your own evidence." Nobody realizes the lengths researchers go to to prove these beings exist. And what is the reward for that effort? Hate and ridicule. No wonder people don't like sharing. People are mean creatures.

As a side-note, ever wonder why there's so many cryptos out there?
And another thing: Aren't cryptids all God's beautiful creatures?