Actually I'm the guy that brought the growth-wiring into the conversation. That was me!

Okay, I have nothing else to offer...

ACROCES, do you get the point...snakes have a GENETIC growth limit, so they wouldn't grow over 40....or weight over 500 lbs

Frogfish, you are so confused. I questioned your claim about coral growth has no limit?
You are the one who is making a claim of unlimited growth, contradicting yourself.

I am confused? Unlike you, I know what I am talking about...We have KNOWLEDGE on this subject unlike you. Take a course on zoology


No genetic growth limit


What contradiction? That's all you say...I would like to see some proof from you...for once.


Do you get it?

OOOOOOOh snaps! No car tire could run over that thing. More like, having to make a call to your auto insurance company!

I see we haver another self claim Zoologist here.
You said:
No growth limit, but there is genetic or ecosystem LIMIT?
So there is a limit.
How can you expect anyone to get what you are talking about when you are confuse and don't get it yourself???

I never said I am a zoologist....zoology is one of my passions


Hmmm, what do I not get? Nothing. I am sure I know more on this subject than you...I definetly know more on genetics unless you are a genetics major of some sort

The thing that you don't get is that snakes cannot grow over 40 feet.

I'm the Zoologist. Get it right. lol

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I said we have ANOTHER Zoologist here.
Read it right! LOL

You are the one who believes the 32 feet 9 inches python measured and reported by someone you don't even know?
OK Mr. genetic engineer, if you know they can't grow to 40 feet, how long can snake grow then? You don't know really, right?
So how do you know that 40 feet can't be?

Guy's maybe the snake is a gentic freak...Nature can do as it please's...Maybe this is one of those time's..But i kinda don't think so... Why not goggle it and see what come's up !!!!

WOW!!! That's like, the fakest plastic snake I've ever seen in my life!!!

well im from brazil, and i got to say. u only see stuff like that near rivers, and mostly towards the amazon area. and the only snakes i saw in brazil werent ever 130 feet the biggest snake i seen in brazil was around 25-29 feet. 130 feet:o thats just crazy.

and here we go folks a person from brazil who even agrees with me and frog fish. hear that? its the sound of a final nail going into a coffin

Maybe. But a 130 foot snake. Impossible. It's either a close up of a big snake, or just a plastic snake someone put in the water. Because if it was a real, living, breathing snake, it would be impossible for it to float on the surface like that. The snake's weight would weigh it down too much, and it would only be able to keep its head above the water.

hha its fuynny though cause thers nontg in the pic to give away the snakes size. and no itsn ot an anaconda anyway cause its to slim and if it is its a very skinny one and needs food badly. the snake could be 20 feetl ong in the water or shallow water it "could" be a real pic but its not a giant monster. and it "could" be a nessie type photo jsut a fake thing that someon set up

That's the limit...On land, they would be crushed to death by their own weight...

What is that limit then you are talking about? 20? 30? 40?

around 40

If they get over 40 for some extreme freak of nature, won't the snake simply stay in the water most of the time?

It would have to reproduce, move from bodies of water to another...etc.

So, it can survive, right? Maybe not be able to reproduce, get out of the water, or only half of the body out of the water. But the weight factor can be overcome by staying in the water, right?

The goal in life is to reproduce...for any organism...They wouldn't grow over 40.

That is the goal but does not mean all are able to.
Very unlikely, but for you to say they wouldn't is a good as me saying it may.
We both making a guess to sum it up.

no because after 40 feet breathing becomes difficult swiming would be difficult ocnsidering the weight of the monster and if it starts to hit ground its ribs would snap.

What is it about over 40 feet that make you so sure about it? No snake have been found that is 39 or 40, so how do you know?

it has to do ith physics. liek a gila monster is physicly impossible to get to 5 feet. it wouldnt even be able oty walk. its confusing but it has to do with proportions angles and structural integraty. many people dont realise that thing just cant get bigger. other changes would need to develope before it could be possible for a snake its ribs would have to increase and body would have to flatten out to dispurse the massive weight. now neiuther of these things could happen without some major evolution.

and seriosuly a gila monster cany get any bigger thne they already are they would just lay there and crush thmeselves.

Gee, we are back to the Gila Monster again.
A big Anacondas is know to spend much of it's life at water to offset the weight.

WRONG. anacondas spend there time in the water for cover and camoflage. in the dry season they ususaly arent iin any water at all so ther u go that disproves ur theory right there they are speding month at a time out of water so al arge one would be forced to cope with its huge weight out of the water.

in ur face go ahead try and explain to me how a huge snake that would supposeldly need the water to maintian its weight would survive out of water for a long period of time go ahead do it do it

That is why they stay in the water, animals do come into the water so prey is not a concern.
Not the whole Amazon river dries up during the dry season.
In my face??? You sure you a Zoologist? More and more you expose yourelf as nothing but a Zoo season pass holder.

Being a cold blooded animal, wouldn't they be forced out of the water at some times of the year? Without enough heat, digestion will not properly take place?

haha a zoo season pass holder ur so ignorant. a very large portion of the amazon dries up and anacodnas dont all migrate to the water its a klnown fact that they live in the forest for most of this time now according to u a bunch of 40foot+ long snakes all go into the remaning water? and the fact that during the dry season is when anacondas are stdied doenst show u that they would be seen and recorded if they were in the remaning water?

once again u prove a little knowledge is a dangerous thing

A bunch of 40 footers? Now where did that come from?
The fact of the matter is you think and we think, both side are speculating.
You sure they have explored every inch of the amazon?

Ignorant? Me?
Well, you surely have dislpayed that you are a very bright Zoologist, in your own mind.

Ever seen those pictures of anacondas bathing by the river side? I assume that is the reason for it.

Agreed, that is what I mean, they need to get to the riverbank and leave the water altogether at some stage to absorb heat to aid digestion. A 40 foot (possibly plus) snake would have a considerable jaw (and appetite) capable of swallowing a say... a bull (some giant snake legends talk of bull eaters from memory) which would take some time and energy to digest..

so

they must leave the water to eat, and if their bone structure does not lend itself to abnormal sizes, it would either suffocate or break it's own ribs on leaving the water. The digestion period would also be quite lengthy meaning that avoiding capture either by camera or physical for so long would appear to be very unlikely. Now if the meals are that big, it will take some time to digest. The snakes could only exist very near the equator to have warm enough and long seasons to provide periods of heat long enough to digest such a massive feast, otherwise their dinner would litterally rot away in their bellies and kill them by way of food poisoning.

So, how would a 40 foot plus snake

a ) Get around without crushing itself
b ) Eat
c ) Escape detection for so long
d ) Survive out of water

- Capable of swallowing a bull but not neccesarily have to eat a bull each time. It can eat a much smaller prey, just have to eat more often.
- It can take animals drinking by the river, just like a crocodile.
- They are Tropical animals and where is the Tropical regions? By the Equator.
- That is why it is mostly in the water for it can't move well on land.
- Factor in a bigger snake must have bigger bones and strongr muscle.
- I agree it will be very slow, but quick enough to make a strike.
- Constrictors are ambusher, they don't go out and chase prey.

Still, it needs to consume large amounts of food. It still needs to digest all this food before the cooler weather makes that impossible, like Saltwater crocs that only eat for 6 months of the year because of the digestion problems in cooler weather. Lots of little food still takes lots of time.



I am sure it could. However, water slows mass down, if it is already slow from it's massive bulk, the addition of the water would make it a very innefficient way to feed. It would more likely starve using this tactic.



Duh. The temperate zones extend for thousands of Kilometers. Any snake of thhat size wanting to survive would have to live in a suitable 'belt' of the earth where high heat levels remain a contstant most of the year. Not Korea, South America and other places puported to house such a creature.



Once again, in water the temp drops. Not a happy lifetime dwelling for a cold blooded creature. They need sun, heat for normal body functions.



We all work to a set of rules. Everypart of ones body is only designed to work under earthly conditions (atmospheric pressure, gas levels etc). As with anything, once you mess with that design you are likely to have trouble. A bigger snake might mean stronger bones, however, it is the design and structure, they are not made with the right curvature and mass to extend to that size and proportionally carry the increase in body mass as well without snapping.

Consider Robert Wadlow, (tallest man to ever live at nearly 3 metres) he had a pituitary gland tumor that excretes large amounts of growth hormone resulting in what doctors describe as acromegalic gigantism. Death was caused by heart complications that result from trying to maintain the very large circulation. Bigger is not always better. Other measures need to be implemented to make such a design successful.
Hrmmzzz, not sure I am comfortable with the term 'design' but it serves the purpose for now.



A slow predator is not a successful predator. An unseccessful predator is usually a dead predator.

- People who eats a lot don't get tall, they get fat. So eating a lot is not a must for a snake to get extra long.
- It is also know as the Water Boa, get the point yet?
- Duh! Korea is not a tropical country. They live in a habitat that suites them, Temp is not a problem animals knows how to deal with it. - Mr. Wadlow grew extra tall before he had his complications. So, he did grow extra tall still. - Animals that get big are the smart ones, speed had nothing to do with it.

Then why do beached whales suffocate to death? The smae priciple works here...Like psyche101 said, they would NEED to come out of water...If they couldn't support their own weight, they wouldn't grow that big in the first place.

Before you start insulting robbie, do you own HW on zoology. You know very little about this.

-They are marine mammals. You get out of the water and not be able to get back, something bad will happen.
- Fossil of 50 foot Rcok python has been found. They grew that big before they suffocated I guess?
- You and Robbie resort to insulting when you can't reason out and you both cry if you get insulted. Go ahead and go as far back as you can and see who insulted who first.

haha ok here we go conversions and the like and a brief explanation on the atmosphere. first off the retic in question is not 50 feet its an exageration on the fossil finds. it was a very large snake but more like 45 not 50. next why woudl this snake get so big? well first off high oxygen levels allwos for larger things to grow. i.e. when the earth had liek 50% oxygen dinos walked around now its about 21%. larger amounts of oxygen enable creatures to grow larger. second a reticulated python is much much much slimer then an anaconda its weight would not be as great and it would be able to be longer then any anaconda. an anaconda is far to heavy bodied thusd its ribs would break and it would no longer be albe to move and easy pickings for anything. and go ahead and research oxygen levels in correlation to size of animals on earth. and go ahead the reticulaed python is not 50 feet it was an exageraton that went crazy.

fyi do ur research before comign to play with the big dogs little girl because at least i know what im tlaking aobut with this stuff u throw circumstantiol evidence and u disregard certain concepts me refering to the gil monster not being physicly able to get any bigger was to show u how things ave a growth limit. why do u tihnk 800 pund people cant walk? why do u think that andrea the giant died? (heart problems his heart couldnt handle his body size) why do u tihnk the largest anial alive today lives in the ocean instead of land? neutral boyance is key and an anaconda is not a 100% aquatic snake it lives alarge portion of its life on land too if ig got past a certian size when it comes out of the water it would crush itself and water takes body heat away from the bady pretty fast so it would need to come up to the land and warm up. sea snakes are able to stay inthe water because they actualy can control there body temp to a certian point. and ni facer some can absorb small amounts of oxygen form there skin. next we go to yes larger reptiles can hold there body temperature longer like large corocdiles and marine iguannas BUT. they both come onto land to sun themselves too and a 40+ foot anaconda would need to too. and thne we get to the physics part and thus its ribs rack snakes injur ribs all the time in fact a snake in thew wild ususaly has at least 1 broken rib so itsn ot like there ribs dont break but now u add the extra pressure on them and the fact that there ribs arent that big in the first place and there moveability and u get ribs that crush under extreme weight. espicaly if it just ate something. even more pressure and weight. and as i said beofre u say well it would just remain in the water ok so say they did stay in the water and say that the 40ft+ snakes al lwent into the remanining bodies of water during the dry season. in the dry season dense forests can become desserts. just to give u an idea u mean to say that all the researchers of anacondas and other scietist in the arewa that study thje amazon during the dry season so they cam move around easier wouldnt notice these 40ft+ snakes in the bodes of water and obviously more thne 1 would get that size so were talking dozens and dozens of 40ft+ snakes in waters that scinetist are traveling daily arent seeing these snakes? nonsence do some research of ur own and come back with facts that are backed up i want to see at least 1 link form a real site not some geocities thing. and stop trying to contridict what we say because u havent made a coherent thought in quiet some time on the thread.

thanks doll

- It says a 50 foot Rock Python fossil, you say you don't think so? Who do you think I would believe?
- Anaconda is bigger , that is why they are mostly in the water.
- When they swallow something really big, do they break from the added weight?
- Who said there is a 40 foot snake out there? I am merely questioning your claim that such snake is never possible.

see once again u give nouthing u jsut contridict what others say why dont u show me ur link where it talks about the fossil and yes snakes do break ribs from swallowing prey some times. heres what i want u to do u have bigger ribs then an anaconda os now lets say ur a 300 pound snake lay on the floor have someone who weighs 200 pounds lay on u and tell me how ur ribs feel they wont feel good at all. and now there ribs ususaly move around there prey item ad they swlallow it so now imagin something the size of a beach ball trying to get threw that. this is why some ribs get broken.

yes an anaconda is bigger but as i stated and gave u amy reasons an anaconda cant spend it entire life in the water it would need to at least once a day come completly out of the water and go into an open area to regina warmth.

in ur next postplaeae show al ink to support anything u may say. thanks doll

They still move on land...


You are wrong here...wayyy wrong. Marine mammals can survive out of water Its just the bulk of the whales that crushes them to death. A stupid remark if you ask me...

Wow, you dont read a thing others post do you. You just find a point that you think works and rant. I was hoping to discuss this intelligently by process of elimination, but with you in the thread I see that wont happen.
You speculate where others provide fact. If one does not take your speculative view for fact you get all narky and claim facts provided are speculation.

1 - I never said you had to eat large amounts of food to grow big. You need to eat large amounts of food to sustain such a large size a 40 foot snake still needs to eat alot. Is is big creature - get it?

2. - A water boa (as you seem to prefer that term to confuse the issue) still needs sun to perform normal bodily functions ie. it is a cold blooded animal - get the point yet?

3. Duh, I know where Korea is, if you had read all the threads on this animal, you would see that is where a photo of such an animal is supposed to have been taken. - Someone has claimed to see one (and taken a photo) in Korea get it?
Temp is extremely important to animals, would be more important to this particular one as a result of its biology. Cold blooded animals need heat for normal bodily functions, they can't evolve to cooler climates by way of freak growth. They are still snakes and need the same things their smaller counterpart do. They do not know how to "deal with it" as it is not part of their genetic makeup - get it?

4. Mt Waldrow's condition killed him at an early age, he had only grown 300mm taller than the largest man today, he would have grown more, the point I was illustrating was the fact that once a body grows out of proportion, the design is not compensated for and falls apart - get it?

5. Animals that grow outside the proportions intended for their survival will have major problems and fail. Like Mr. Waldrow, they will most likely die prematurely before maximum growth.

6. Animals that big are no smarter than their smaller counterparts. Brain to body mass ratio remains a constant. Speed would certainly be a part of it, a strike from such a large animal would be spotted from a greater distance due to the sheer size giving prey a head start. Snakes are not the only creatures in the animal kingdom to be privilaged to have a brain. Other animals have them as well and use them for defence. Get it?

Why are animals that grow bigger the smart ones?

Just where is it you are gathering these little gems of information from?

I was wondering that also...No basis whatsoever...

haha i bet uve never seen one in person much less held one or even a snake for that matter. See folks this is what happens when i watch discovery channel or something and then ty to act liek u knwo what ur tlaking aobut u knwo instead of doing years of school and research. and u say u think im the one that hangs out at zoos haha yea i did but it was during an internship.

and yea another name is water boa big deal. theres a type of bat called a flygin fox doenst mean theres a fox with wings dont let names fool u. u dont knowwhat ur tlaking aobut

I don't see what all the fuss is about this photo, i just think that it's a regular snake that's been photographed at an angle that makes it look bigger than it is, if you look at the ripples around it and their size in comparison it kind of backs up the point. If a snake grew to a disproportionate size it would be unable to survive. I'm not saying it coudn't happen once in a blue moon, but the specimen wouldn't be very efficient. There may be the odd freak of nature but once it reached a ridiculous size like that it would not be able to live.
The stories of big snakes are proven to be exaggerated.
The photos are inconclusive.
I'm not sold...