Over 50' to me is absurd, right at 40' or a bit under i can see, that's all i have been saying, but myself and other's get ridiculed because science doesn't agree with such a snake.

I really don't think me or aroces will run anybody away, this forum is for discussing thing's that could be or might if's and allot of UM topic's are outrageous and some make me laugh historically but there is nobody in hear that would make me leave because they don't see things the way i do.

The bigger the more it is not possible. My point has always been we can't really know how big ANY species can get. We can calculate but does not make it a fact.

Carl Sagan is on my shelf a couple time's,

Question away, ask away. Don't telll someone what they study is wrong and they are probably lying about it and their level of study.
If you can dispute a fact, please provide links, proof, etc. Should you provide hard evidence, I will be your first supporter.

What we have been presented with is not so questionable. We were provided with likely maximum length of any snake species. Your view contradicts the facts provided. That is all. No ridiculous hard to believe stories have been presented. This argument ihas become opinion vs fact. Sorry, fact is the heavyweight here.

we KNOW that ball pythons get at a maxium of 6 feet whic is the longest one ever recorded. we know how much an elephant can weigh. u make science seem so off the wall. u get real science confused with fake ones like cryptozoology. heres an idea for u maby ud learn something if u stoped listneing to rich boys who uses there daddies money ot go look for big foot for the summer. or people in the back woods who are to stupid to realise there coyotes out there that howl the exact same way ther suppsoed bigfoot howls. or that things getting smacked together in the woods is not anything new bucks rut and makes banging sounds bear knock over trees. this stuff happens. i have never seen any evidence that made me think hmm maby bigfoot is real or hmm maby nessie is real.

- Did you even look back what the debate is really? One side said 40 foot snake impossible because of facts? Like calculation and studies how heavy and big it will get, right?
- Now is calculation based on facts a fact? No right? It is still a calculation and we won't know until an actual species is there and we can see that the calculation is correct and it does dies when it reach 40 feet.
So my conclusion is we don't really know.

See, i agree with you, BUT, why is it that Science need's a body for real evidence? i know that anyone can fake a picture and even a film, and it sad that i don't have Daddy's money because i would be one of the first Idiots in line to help look. Does that make me stupid? or should i get black balled because i would like to try and prove one way or the other? because if You were in charge of UM then 99.9% of the people that post topic's on here would be banned and kicked off.

Its called UNEXPLAINED MYSTERIES for a reason not EXPLAINED FACTS AND PROVEN SCIENTIFIC THEORYS.

haha exactly its unexplained mysteries not debunked nonsence

robbieb, what do you think the Holy Grail is?

irevalant to the topic at hand now isnt and im jewish

I respect that. You said that you have some view's on Religion, i was just asking.

Noooooo, back in post 228, robbieb said an asian python could possibly reach that.
Reading back, we all agree with robbieb and Frogfish, it is just that the issue has become clouded by the meandering nature of the debate. Mathematically, when the bones are that long and the weight of the organs leaves the water, gravity will cause such weight to break a bone never intended to span so far. Tensile strength.
Just maths, no big theories or other needed, even though many other factors for seeing such a growth as unlikely math alone has shown 'why not'
Please, it is not ridicule. It is pointing out error and helping to enlighten and share. Not the same thing.



I am pleased you wont leave, because as you said, you provide links and many. Bringing things in here is what it is all about - sharing . You willl not run anyone away as you are not rude and you give to the UM community.

I have not seen pilgrim for ages, I would hazzard that some of the ridiculous statements made by another member made him shake his head in disbelief and go away. What a shame, such a great and logical mind with eloquent grammar. Was a pleasure to read his posts.
The serpent thread was another one I ended up enjoying thouroughly. It was closed by rude members who refused to accept that their "view" was not only old but incorrect and it would take a better person than them to debunk those fellows. They said similar things. Got the thread closed though. Now information from those fellows is much slower.

All these two (well 3 really) members tried to do was share and got hammered by people with 'opinions'. I hope we can not only keep people like Frogfish and robbieb around, but entice more in here. With that sort of Worldwide mindpower, in conjunction with intelligent objective views based in fact UM could indeed take the Unexplained out of many of these titles.
Some prefer the mystery to fact I guess.

I believe that its the what if that bring people to UM.

you knwo whats funny im sitting here holding my yellow anaconda (hoping he doesnt bite me cause hel ieks to do that) and thinking to myself how i bet if this snake coudl tlak hed tell u haw his bigger cousin isnt gonn get to be 40+ feet.

Yeah, true, I think that the natural curiosity humans are born with though drives us to solve these mysteries, and that is why we stay here.
Each mystery solved lets us get on with the next one. Personally, I like resolution and knowing why something does what.

It was intended as neither.
Yes, I do think you have the capability. If I was a Zoologist and offered to share my knowledge and was called a liar and told my study was erroneous. I'd go.
Amazing I don't tuck My Zoologist inder my arm and leave right now LOL.



Dammn I find that hilarious.
What about the Uni that wrote his degree? Bet they see him as a Zoologist too. Bet the scientific community give him some creedence too, seeming as he has a degree and all.......

Can I have Frogfish too......
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.



Here's a better idea. Your point of view is in contradiction with everyone elses. You are the one everyone in this thread has disagreed with. You have been hurling the insults at proffesionals. You have provided no facts or links to back up your statements. You have sugested math is incorrect and your view is correct. You are the one questioning science.

I am a member of this forum as well. I don't think your behaviour toward the proffesional people in this thread has been appropriate, and you manner abrupt.

Why don't you leave?



No, it is not the same. Don't think I have the patience, maybe Frogfish will explain the difference to you.
That is right, as Palenetology is his passion, as a result his posts are very well written and extremely interesting.
He studies too, what is wrong with having an itellectual hobby and sharing that as well?
He happens to have access to excellent resources concerning this very subject. Versatile fellow that Frogfish.

- So far no one is agreeing with you or taking your advise. They are still here, maybe it is not as bad as you think it is.
- Why don't you provide then links that my statement is incorrect?
- I suggested math is incorrect? I said, mathematical calculation in determining something that does not exist can't be considered a fact until proven or tested.
- So, I question science? Is Science to you a sort of a religion that can't be questioned?
- I highly doubt it that a professional would be spending much time and effort here to prove and use their hard work in college. THINK ABOUT THAT.
- I never called anyone here in this forum ignorant or stupid. And you want me to leave?
I don't disagree with everything they post, just with certain things. And you want me to leave?
- Now who is being rude?

dude u told me that my conversions were wrong when they were 100% acurate u did say math was wrong at one point obviously

I said, your conversion can't be proven correct until we actually have a living specimen.
When you build an aircraft, you test fly it after. Then you know it can fly.

dude when i told u what 15 meters what in feet u were like no blah blah blah dont even say u didnt

Really, you are the one writing books and novels. Show it to me then and don't just blah blah blah.

here u go proof that i gave u accurate calculations and u told me that they were wrong go ahead and chaceck them anony here check my calculations and tell mei f there off. haha tell me again how were the ones that change the stories. ur the one who doesnt show proof of anytihng u say and apparently u forgot all aobut this day when we did conversions. ur a liar and a fake and ur the reason real science is hinders be moronic accusations liek the ones u make. im almost sickened to think that there are people as aragont and ignorant as u out there.

OK, prove to me that your calculation is correct about a 40 foot snake. Where is your living specimen that it is correct,? Well? Since you use a calculator your numbers maybe right, but how would you know the numbers really will crush a big snake?
Like I said, you test fly a plane before you can say it can fly.

haha ar u on crack? only the right brothers did that. no one is building a jumbo jet or new fighter plane and sending it off and hoping it gets off the ground there is a vast amount of research done. they use light weight but strong material. so it can function because if the matertial is to heaven then it goes nowhere just like if a snake it to heavy. i don't even understand how i can explain it ant easier to u. the bones of these snakes are unable to maintain this masisve amount of weight on there ribs they get crushed. now another tihng to remember is that the muscles u have are different in structure to the muscles a snake has u have to remember that. their body as it is now wouldn't be able to support them if the got past a certain legenth. they would need to have thee bones and muscles revamped before they could do it. and its not possible. i gave u an example of this using the gila monster and u decided to brush it off. but it was entirely revelant. you cant get to be ten feet tall and survive. your bones are not set in proper positions muscles aren't structural desigined for it. and ur internal body sytstems are not set to run on a system that big. the homeostasis in the body breaks down because once one system breaks down the rest go to. ususaly starting with cardio. from there urinalry and repritary from there nervous and immune and digestive and form there sekletal and integumentary and of course reproductive system is gone

- Not all airplanes are designed like the Wright brother airplane, so they continue testing each model.
- Boeing does not build an aircraft and just send it to the airlines and say, "don't worry it will fly".
- I already get it with your calculation a long time ago.... The thing is, it is a calculation. Even by a genuis like you, we can't be totally be 100% sure until an actual specimen is 40 foot and it did actually dies. Factor in that like humans, bone and muscle strenght differs with each individual.

u were the one that siad aobut the planes just oing and seeing if they work i was showing u how stupuid that made u seem. no one is going to risk a mulit million dollar plane to see if the design works. u said u test fly a plane before u say it can fly. wrong u do math and use physics to see if ity can fly then u go from there. same way u can factor in size weight and tincle stregenth of a snake to see if it can work or any animal for that matter.

YUP! You do the math, use physics and then you go from there.
Same with your theory about a 40 foot snake, you do the math, physics and you go from there. But you don't have a finish product, so how do you know it is as you thought?

No, its just a normal Sucuri! Its a snake that inhabits Manaus, Amazonia, the rain forest and swamp areas of Brazil.

I can say for sure because I live in Brazil. We grow up here learning about our fauna and flora. There is a army division, PELOPES, here in Brazil, they train Savage Pumas (Onça Pintada) I don´t know how this would be in english. They dwell with those snakes in the jungle.

Weird, huh!?

Bellow some photos of sucuris caught near villages by police or locals.





And some photos about army training Onças, so I don´t look so crazy!

that top pic is a leopard in africa. the bottom one is a jaguar. and once again a person FROM brazil backs us up too. u have no followerd its everyone verus u right now.

Huh? Seen these pictures before, just with the number of people holding it you know very well it's no monster snake. And it would have been all over the internet if so. Pretty obvious this is common for no big excitement, didn't even make it to any science news site. Common sense, right? And I too think there is no monster snake out there, maybe.
I have no follower? I'm not trying to be a Prophet here or something.
I give opinion and if people disagree, I have no problem with it.

Leopard in Africa? You sure about that? Those two looks to me like South American soldiers.

Both pics were from Brazilian Army man, How the hell you can afirm its African leopard?

Wanna the link? No problem posting!

Hes dreaming!

Just to clarify!

I am FROM Brazil. I was a mariner for 2 and a half year. I visited PELOPES, this in english is something like Special Operation Division.

Both images are from our Site, army site. I will put the link here, feel free to surf it.

Brazil Army - Exercito Brasileiro

Link with the image he thinks is African!

Just a back ground on Brazil: We have many etinics/cultures in our country. African, german, sweden, portuguese because we were Portugal colony etc...
Judge that the guy with that Onça is from Africa just because his apearance is ignorance.

Africa! OMG!

You are right...

Sucuris are common here in Brazil. They are fewer considering that many ppl huntthem down and kill them...

Ppl loves to creat miths over issues that they don´t really know.

What would you is the longest verifiable( with a specimen) snake ever found in Brazil?

The biggest one ever found was 11,2 meters. I have no idea how much is this in feets...

Follow the link bellow to some images. (Graphic images - Beware)
Sucuri - Anaconda

Some call them Anacondas. I personally dont like this.

The history in the link above tells how some guys went to fish on an Amazonian river and got eaten by the snake.

Big sucuri ever found.

Is there a specimen of the 11.2 meter snake? I mean like a skin or a skeleton?

Did you accessed that link. Than one, is the subject.
I will see if I can find the specimen!

Yes, but sorry, no abla espanol. Saw those pictures before. Poor boy, what a way to die.

Ehehe thats no espanol/spanish. Its portuguese. Don´t worry thought.

Heres the best image to represent it size.

Seen this too before, but this is the clearest and best quality. Wow! Now that really looks damn BIG!

Suciris reach no more than 12 meters, there is an African pyton that can reach up to 15 meters... I think its the biggest one.

Sucuris usually don´t attack humans, but sometimes, humans cross its path... then bad things may happen.

Where is the remains of that snake now, do you know?
That was base on an African Rock Python Fossil, quite a long time ago then. They don't grow that big anymore.

I don´t know if they have the remais of that snake... I will try to find something.

Thanks psyche

The largest Andaconda (both green and yellow) was just 30 feet never 11.5 meters. Those claims are from stretched out snakes skins. Snake skins have high elasticity, and be be stretched very far.

The largest snake in Africa are Rock Pythons, which don't grow over 25 feet (during this past two millenia)

What 11.5 meters? What claims? The one in the pic is said to be 11.2 meters. Hard to say, but base on the people around it and the truck bed, quite near 11.2 meters.

How do you even know that's an authentic picture? Or the witnesses are not lying?

Looks Authentic to me. If you think otherwise, I got no problem with that.
But you can check the links the fellow from Brazil(FEANOR) provided and maybe ask him why he is sending links that is not real, with full of people in the picture lying.

which picture are we talking about?

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