I found these on yourtube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg0jetveBHs


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe_SAJnmWNg

looks fake to me, at one point the woman benmds up to look at the camera and as she sees its trained on her she just goes on moaning louder than ever. i believe n ghosts, however i believe exorcism do not work nor exist in a manner of the fact that ghosts do not latch on to people.

I totally agree with you, most of the footage you see now is more or less faked and they even have churches that perform exorcism rituals on a regular bases, sorry if i offend anyone but i just don't give this a lot of credence.
The thing i don't understand with exorcisms is from what i have read and heard they are mainly a catholic ritual, if the spirit that is residing in the body of a living person had no faith in the catholic church how can this ritual work?
To me my personal view is that it can't work, if you have no belief in God then you are not going to take any notice of trying to be cast out of that persons body with a catholic ritual, but again this is only my view.

Well, first off, when exorcisms are performed, they are focused on casting out demons, not ghosts.

While the most well known sect of Christianity which performs exorcisms is the RCC (Roman Catholic Church), many others do as well (Anglicans [very close to the RCC rite], Baptists, and many Protestant sub-sects throughout the US and world).

As far as faith in the religion goes, it is helpful but not a prerequisite. The person being excised is not the target of the exorcism, just the carrier of the demon being exorcised. The exorcism itself is directed towards the demon.

True exorcisms last days, if not weeks. It is sad, but true, that many of the accounts we have of current exorcisms are either staged or not really exorcisms at all.

There are very strict quidelines on when an exorcism is to be performed. With the advent of modern psychology, many of the afflictions formerly thought to be possesions were understood to be mental illness. Thus the steep decline in exorcisms performed by the RCC. However, there are still a fair number of cases which are deemed true posessions. In addition, the training of exorcists has increased in recent years as the RCC is returning to it's tradition of good v. evil (they had decreased discussion of evil post Vatican II).

Sorry for the semi-ramble of this post, hope this helps somewhat.

Plus, I was just watching it again... There are some wierd things going on. First, the exorcist is not following the RCC rite as far as I can tell. Second, if this is a real deal possesion, the concept that Lucifer is the possesor is kindof rare, actually almost unheard of. Normally it would be a lesser demon.

However, if this is faked, that is one serious acting job. I mean academy award level.

so if you do say, most of these rituals take days, why show us a clearly fake video which solves the 'demon' in half an hour?

I agree. I didn't post the video.

ah i see lol, my mistake upon looking back at the top of the page i realise it isnt you.

i stand corrected

It's all good, these forums are hard to read sometimes and everything blends together after a while.

the 2nd one scared me

Notice, when asked, she says she is possessed by Lucifer. Lucifer is not associated with "the Satan" (a term describing an angel--any angel--that is apart of god's heavenly court. When god wishes to do evil against someone, he uses "the Satan" to go before him and be an obstacle in that persons way) in the Bible. It is Latin for "Morning Star" and a title often given to Babylonian kings. It's a simple medieval mistranslation and has nothing to do with evil.

Unfortunately the woman putting on the act is poorly misinformed.

Sean

that is fascinating, never knew that. thanks for that.

*cries* I am appalled at the primative motives of some people, that their need for attention would target the gullible in such a silly manner.

You know the vatican rarely admits to its involvement with any form of offical exorcism, a little effort on their part to move with the times. But I believe their motive to be less to do with consumer need and more to do with basic psychology. Auto suggestion, you see its common sense to assume there is a greater possibility of hysteria and self delusion if your delusions are acknowledged as reality. You believe you are possessed by "demons" and a priest in full ceremonial dress attends your bedside, any lingering grasp on reality could seriously be in trouble.
I'm sure you are all aware of the Salem witchtrials? Small example of when superstition and fanaticism can lead to unnecessary suffering. If I point this deathbone at you and you believe it will kill you, truelly believe, and you drop down dead, did the bone kill you? (rummages through dustbin to find old KFC remains)

You're very welcome (31oha2a121)!

The Vatican has really gone out of their way in recent years to de-emphasize exorcism (and Hell). They have freely admitted that mental illness is "usually" the root-cause of those who think themselves possessed.

... This wasn’t changed until 1972, when Pope Paul VI removed the order of exorcism from the training of every priest and left it to the bishop of each diocese to appoint an exorcist. The rite and rule of exorcism stayed the same until 1998, when the Vatican released a revision. The new rule acknowledges that many of the conditions that once were thought to result from demonic possession now are recognized as mental disorders. On the other hand the Vatican stated quite clearly that the devil is at work in the world and Christians must beware. 

What did Cuneo see during the many ceremonies he monitored? During private exorcisms only a deliverance minister or priest, a support team and the demoniac are present. "There’ll be the usual flailing and groaning and spitting and vomiting," Cuneo says, "and some obligatory shrieking and slithering along the floor." These will finish after a few hours, with the usual result that the demoniac will be freed from their demons. Mass exorcism or mass deliverance is done with hundreds of people in a large room, Cuneo says, adding that these produce "bedlam and pandemonium" in which those being delivered start "ripping their clothes ... pummeling their groins ... ripping their hair out and publicly masturbating," among other things. 
 
Was it demons he saw? "Did I ever encounter indisputable demonic fireworks? The answer is no," he says. While Cuneo does not think he observed actual demonic possession he thinks exorcism is useful. "Exorcism is a form of therapy," in his opinion. "Ultimately it allows us to blame our addictions, or anger, on demons. Where else can middle-class Americans lash out at evil .... with complete impunity?" In the end, however, it may be only a temporary fix for greater problems, he says.  
 
Joel Scheinbaum, a psychiatrist in Los Angeles, would agree that exorcism is likely to be only temporary. Scheinbaum runs a program called Exodus Recovery that deals with people suffering from more than one mental disorder. He says demonization and its cure, exorcism, are attempts by people to explain a world they do not fully understand. "Demonization is a religious issue," Scheinbaum says, in which mental disorders are seen as demon possession by those with a religious outlook. He says that to get to the root of someone’s problems and to heal them one must "look at the whole person." The danger of seeking exorcism instead of psychiatric help is that it is "not really addressing the issue," he contends. Exorcism might provide a "temporary respite," but it cannot heal the entire person, according to Scheinbaum...

Sean

thats also interesting, i beleive that excorcisms are a good form of therapy. people who believe they have a demon inside them can thus be helped by another placebo... or that KFC chicken bone