I bet they wouldn't even fight...One would run of first...

like i said in one of my earlier posts it would be a bunch of threat displaya until one got scared off no sewnce fighting and getting hurt even if u win ur mosytl ikely goin to be hindered in later hunting expidetions and probly die from starvation. any way waht evidence are you basing your theory that spino ate fish? itsn ot logical if ur saying it has jaws liek a croc then u relay dont know ur crocs to well crocs althouth they do eat fish once they get larger larger prey is there target there aws are ment for grabing and crushing anytihn in its jaws. a fish eate it would have jaws similkar to the gravahilas (yea i def spelt that wrong) longer and more slender spinosaurus would have used his jaws in a similar manner it would be stupid for such a large preadator to evolve just so it could hunt fish. it has no other adaptions to allot it to hunt fish. fish eater are generaly smaller animals with bodies allowing for fast reflexes. (i swear to god if u say anything about bears eating salmon il slap u cause u know that diffrent hunting shifs in the shallows equals the playing field) spino saurus would have grabed up ny thing in its jaws and crushed it.

from what i have read Saurophaganax is known only from one quarry and only reached about 40 feet if you could show me sometyhing that does not agree with what i have found i would appericate it

From what I have read, it could reach lengths of 55-60 feet. JP Institute.


Slender, long mouth. Large arms with a overly large claw. long, conical teeth. Jaws like a ghavial.


Sharks, bears, Fish eagles, whales, etc.


You clearly don't know anything about Spinosaururs. It is widely accepted that fish are a main part of their diet. They have very weak jaws compared to Tyrannosaurus Rex.

ok and dog have weak bits compared to crocodiles but that doesnt mean that they eat fish (although there is a pack of wolves that has started fsihing i forget where though) i already siad how brear chase down fish swiming in shallow waters where mobility is limited for the fish so that doesnt count eagle are not large they are very light weight other wise they swouldnt float sharks are fish that doesnt count and they are agile sharks are amazingliy fast and stream line same goes gor whales fast animals that use tatics like traping the fish in air bubles they send up before they eat or in chses of whales like orcas they just chase the fis down this is a Gharial this is spinosaurus' skull and this is a crocodiles skull spinosaurus is closer to a crocodile thne a gharila

I would also have to agree that T Rex hunted, I also believe if I had to pick who would win in a fight I would also say T-Rex. As for hunting T-Rex had very good depth perception, its head was wide and its eyes were set more forward. Now correct me if Im wrong but Spinos head was narrow and the jaws were long the depth perception wouldn't be so great, that would affect his hunting skills and I believe it would affect his fighting ability.

not true crocodiles have long heads and have good depth perception other wise striking at prey would be very difficult if they didint know how far away they were

Yes but Crocs eyes sit on top of the head so there able to see well mostly submerged. Your talking like Crocs are modern day Spinos and there not, even if they were the Crocs going to adapt to there living habbits which is mostly in the water. If the Spino had the head of a Croc and stood over 17' high he would have a problem with vision due to the fact of the location of the eyes. Again dont forget the Croc is lookin from a foot off the ground not 17 feet in the air, the Spino would have eyes like birds (maybe not that extreme but none the less close to it) on each side of the head not pointed directly in front for depth perception IMO!

Ok,

I put spino and T-rex up aganst echother in my jurassic park operation genesis game and I sorry to say there both chickins. As soon as they sary one enther thay ran. both of them! King of the dinos my foot and I not happy with spino.

I see spinosaurus as a croc, and I see T-rex as a Aligator.

the T-rex's jaw is more wide and huge, but the spinosaurus has a longer mouth but thin.

I thin The T-rex Would win because the seem way more stronger and could make more damage because of their jaws.

I know theres not much now a days to compare these animals to other then birds and reptiles but even by teeth you can't compare Spino and Crocs both teeth are designed to do different things, one to slice and the other to crush. The teeth on a Croc are more like the teeth on a TRex but on a much smaller scale, they are spike like instead of knife like...

Ok here we go how can you even compare the 2????

SPINO SKULL


T-REX SKULL


IMHO T Rex can with no problem CRUSH a Spino....

T-rex would win as Spinosaurus is just not adapted to win a battle like that...They are fish-eaters.

well basicly i saw we just have to argee to disagree her e no sense arguing aobut it becaue we will never truly know. but i say it a safe bet if they ever saw eachother in rela life they both go holy crap what is that and turn tail and run from eachother instead of fight it out lol thme figting realy doesnt make any sence. those who run live to fight another day why attack something that can injury u severly even if u win. imagin a t-rex kills spino saurus but takes a wound on thel eg itk inders its stride and it cant catch prey and it slowly gorws weaker and weakrer or vis versa these animals depend on bing at the top of ther game they much rather attack more defenceless prey items as opposed to those that could possibly kill them. i mean i know dinos are extince but they had a good run for a reason lol. there not stupid

True but all we are saying is in so strange accident
they both did fight to the death who would win.

Try playing the game Jurassic Park Opperation Genesis.
in the game usally they both fight for a little and 1 runs but after
awhile they will may fight to the death. in the game spino usauly wins
unlike real life

I will say they tho, both are very amazing creatures.....

No, its teeth were designed for crushing bone, not cutting meat. Just look at the difference between it and other similarly-sized therapods. And usually, larger olfactory spaces usually indicate scavengers. Though that is mostly based on animals living today, so it can be easily called into question.

But, T-rex did not have the bladed teeth other hunting carnivores had. It had large, round teeth commonly found in animals that crush bone.

I won't even begin to touch that silly dog analogy...

Thaks, I keep forgetting it said just "raptor" and too many times watching JP has gotten me to default to "velociraptor." I was just pointing out that there are other types of raptors that can get that size. That's what I tried to do anyway. I spent most of my time researching Allosaurus and Hadrosaurus and have neglected vital raptor studies. You'd think after 10 years of research, I could remember one little detail...



I'd buy one...

This is always ends up being the topic of T-Rex, remember ALL Carnivors today WILL hunt and scavenge. But comepare the teeth of the T-Rex to a Tigers, Lions and Crocs ALL GREAT HUNTERS and all have teeth designed just like T-Rex, peg like not knife like. The knife like narrow teeth on the spino were to hold on to its prey...FISH! <~ As mentioned b4 in a previous post.

The arguement of the T Rex being a hunter or scavenger is tired!

Not really, no. It's still a hot debate between some of the greatest minds in paleontology.

Also, raptor teeth are bladed.

Well, yeah. I've never said that T-rex is either one or the other. I've always taken the approach that he does a little of both. The debate is just what profile he fits better. For example, someone could be a stockbroker as their day job and a stripper on weekends. That doesn't mean that person is primarily a stockbroker or stripper, it just means that they are more defined as a stockbroker.

I still say T-rex with lasers would beat Spinosaurus with Rambo's gun.

T-rex teeth is similar to Gigantosaurus teeth...which are primarily used for slicing through meat. Compare that with teeth of...a tazzy devil or hyena...They are different.

Jack Horner...pfft. I have had enough of him.

Well then I can agree to that cause any Carnivor would take advantage of free food without having to risk injury. I would also think the Spino would do the same but with in its normal diet.....Fish!

+1, I couldn't agree more.

the only way spinosaurus would ever
win would be besause it has arms,
but t rex is more suited for this
type of an enconter so i would
put my money on Tyranosarus

I say the same about Bakker. What a media whore. Both of them were at the university earlier this spring. Horner gave an interesting talk on dinosaur skull growth and its indicators of dinosaur behavior. Horner did some fluff about a new dino-rush in Wyoming. Even titled it "Return to Jurassic Park." Lots of kids went to that one and were disappointed that it had nothing to do with T-rex eating people. And Horner has done a lot of work revolutionizing the way we think about dinosaurs as parents. Bakker has done some amazing things in hsi research that dinosaurs were warm-blooded, but I respect Horner more as a scientist. Especially since he doesn't let his religion (whatever it is) get in the way of science. Unlike Bakker, who is a Pentecostal minister and proponent of "theistic evolution."

That, and Bakker blew me off when I was asking questions. At least Horner answered all questions, even a little kid who was all excited about T-rex.

Yeah, I'm biased towards Horner. Used to love them both when I was a kid, but Bakker has driven me nuts in his jerk attitude and attention-grabbing tactics. And Raptor Red was a waste of two hours and $6.95.

P.S. Form follows function, so to ignore that T-rex has scavenging tendencies would be to say that evolution threw these amazing adaptations onto T-rex just for the fun of it. And like someone said, T-rex isn't going to give up a free meal. Like a wolf coming across a dead chicken. "Hrmmm, should I eat this dead chicken here, or go chase some other animal around a while?"

And Spinosaurus has teeth that are more conical than a raptor's, but with serrated ridges on opposite ends.

you say that about almost
any animal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinosaurus

Just the ones that like dead chickens.

O.k Spino is Carp Lets face it and T-rex was a hunter. why you may ask i shall Tell
t-Rex's Eyes were pointed forwerd (carp spelling i know) eyed for a Hunting. spino had to look like most Took Tooks (aka chickens) do today my turning there head Thus making Spino Carp and I mean Hello Big means all of the dino not lenght but all spino was the longest meat eater Not the biggest Hell BAR-RE-ONyx clould Beat put spino ( yes i know Carp Spelling)

its crap not carp a carp is a type of fish

Yes I fish to and have lots of pics of everything.... LOL!

Carp

I would say T-rex would win cause hes stronger and has strongest bite of all animals

Another fellow fisherman! Yes, carp are fun to catch...


Baryonyx barely pushed 35....


So was the Dinosaur Heresis...Interesting, but not scientific.

I to fish. But I like catfish.

your carzy....
its bluegills all the way, baby

Both of you are crazy...Salmon fishing

Back on topic, there is a fishing thread in the Hobbies and Interests/General Discussion Board...

Thats what I do, here some... Downtown Chicago King Salmon!!!






SORRY IM OFF TOPIC!

Well since Spino eats fish Im not far off topic..... Some nice Trout too!

SPINO would have a mouth full!

:You can rant in the fishing thread with me (Hobbies-General Discussion)

Posted a bunch....

Well, I think I finally settled the debate. Check here.

i have to go with t.rex.i like the band.

That band from the 60's?I dont think t-rex would win,I know t-rex would win.That stupid spinosaurid would have lost faster than a ham would be eaten at a fat camp,And thats pretty fast.

My $ is on the T-REX..1 bite would probably be enough to deliver a killer crush!

I remember that book, it was the first book I ever read (or rather, tried to read) when I was a kid. Guess it was kind of long though. I really felt bothered by Bakkers persistent use of the name Brontosaurus all the time. At least his drawings were kind of funky, I had a great time trying to emulate that style.

I don't like neither of those; Horner, I always hated him since he went out on his crusade against T. Rex being a hunter and said that it was exclusively a scavenger - and then in Jurassic Park III he had the T. Rex stand bent over a carcass so as to forward this perception, and he made the Spinosaur ridiculously strong so that he could show how weak and pathetic he thinks the Tyrannousaurus was. In a way he kind of acts like some obstinate kid who desperately wants to go against the stream no matter what the costs are. Quite possibly Tyrannosaurus did enjoy scavenging, but Horner seems to have this desire to remove it from the popular predator throne.

I agree Horner is an idiot, but these facts remain:

Recent discoveries now reveal a Spino much bigger than the largest T-Rex

Larger animal, greater weight is an advantage.

Much larger skull, bigger jaws also an advantage

Much larger forearms, much better weapons, a very great advantage.

There is evidence Spino was an agile hunter of more than just fish. Spino teeth have been found imbedded in Pterosaur and dinosaur bones.

The sail fin suggest Spino could warm up and be more agile faster than T Rex, also a great advantage.

The largest, deadliest land predator in the world today mostly eats fish, but it can kill anything else that walks on land, except maybe an adult elephant. It is the Saltwater crocodile, with a head much like spino's.

What fool would think a person with no arms, or tiny deformed arms could defeat a much bigger guy will fully developed, long arms full of sharp talons?.

Right now, the evidence gives all of the advantages to Spino,............. except for the kiddies that like T Rex best becasue he is in more cartoons.

Grow up people.