Some skeptics argue that proposed spirit photographs are merely illusions created by the background. However, this is not an entirely valid argument if spirits use the background (the shapes in the physical dimension) to help them appear. Here are some examples:

Here is a photo of a horse spirit appearing within a stream of cigarette smoke: http://www.ghoststudy.com/monthly/jan03/horse.html

This is one of my photos:


Here is the link to the photographer's explanation for this hospital photo http://paranormal.about.com/library/bl_hospital_aura_lg.htm




If anyone has further examples, please post or link.

http://skepdic.com/pareidol.html

very much so

Why is it that when ever someone sees something that resembles a face, they always think it's JESSUS. It pisses me off, especially when I have to hear about it on the news. What kinds of idiots are these people?

Oh! Oh! Jesus in a nacho pan! I love that. XD
What next? Jesus is going to appear in the foam of a cold, frosty beer!

Anyway, I think you can interpret these things into anything you want; besides, it's your thoughts and no one can really change them. Until hard, rock solid, proof is found...it could be this, or it could be that.

Inconclusive.

However! I believe in some cases the evidence is authentic spirit activity, while there are others which seem clear to me they're not.


There needs to be a definitive way to tell the difference between an illusion and the actual spirit. Until then, it can all be classified as an illusion and pareidolia...or mere opinion! :D

Well, then again, you know me.

And it's always a good thing to have pictures!
Evidence makes the boat float.

Last edit! I forgot to say, that in the second picture, I don't see anything. It looks like it could be lens flare, dust, or a glare.

I believe without a doubt, the second picture of the Ill older man, the subject enity is a departed relative around him and I believe the man being seriously ill may die and that Soul is waiting to take his spirit to the Spirit World should he die.
When people become ill like this and there is a chance they could die friends and relatives in the After Life are concerned about them and they appear just as if they were here on earth visiting, and if the person recovers they are happy, but if the ill person passes away the others are there waiting to welcoming him into the after life and help him adjust to his new state of being.
I know this to be true because I have learned this from Guides and Relatives in the After Life.

Good argument Alisa... The smoke horse is fantastic, if anything just for its art. I understand now why you were defending the orb poster from the smoke query. I'm not a skeptic by the way, far from it.... but I've seen how smoke can look similar to first/second stage manifestations when caught on camera with flash and for me it's about the only substance that can really through the spanner into the works when it comes to orbs/manifestations.

However, i think this subject you bring up is interesting and does occur as well. But it doesn't mean that, this is what was happening in the other posters orb pic. Or everytime someone is smoking when a pic is taken. There is quite a distinct difference for example between the smoke horse where the actual smoke is manifesting in shape as opposed to the posters pic where the smoke is just behaving as smoke.

I have a couple of pics that would come under this topic of background shape shifting. They are mysterious to say the least. I'll dig them out and add them to this thread.

the grainy B&W, looks more like a giant wolfs head over some structure, than a horse head... did someone breath on the lens of the hospital picture?

Or are they are waiting around to jump into people's bodies and possess them? Isn't that what happened to you?
I really don't understand how relatives can switch from one extreme to the next. They are lovey-dovey waiting to take you to 'Heaven' or they jump in your body with others and make you do things you don't want to do.

According to Rosemary, her dead relatives and DR P bounce on her brain daily. That's gotta leave some lasting damage, no? Also, she says these possessing dead ppl type through her when she gets on this forum... My conclusion is that Rosemary isn't accurate and constantly contradicts herself cuz those spirts, not the actual Rosemary, are doing all this typing to discredit her and/or she has perminant brain damage from 20 yrs of brain bouncing.

Or............................

She/he is making all this up.

I'm going with the latter.

yeah i see that too

on the pic with the old man i think it really might be a spirit manifesting b/c of the mans illness...maybe its family or it could be a gaurdian angel...meh who knows....

Alot of times people want to see something no one else has so bad that they actually do.......... in their own mind. I am not saying people do this on purpose but it does happen sometimes.

I dunno guys, the horse one is impressive, but I do a *lot* of digital camera work and it looks faked. Like really faked. The grainy B&W, i'm not sure what I'm supposed to be looking at. Is it the blue ring in the center, or is that drawing my attention to something else? And as far as the old man/hospit. one, i don't see anything other than an orginal photograph with nothing unusual and then an edited one which again shows nothing but a light patch (easily replicated)... I dunno, I think people are seeing what they want to see. Too easily dismissed to be real evidence.

But that's just me, I'm not trying to step on anyone's toes or be insulting.

I have to agree with that (though I'm not impressed by it). It does look fake...

All relatives don't do this to their loved ones on Earth.

The four Spirits I am dealing with don't normally do this to people, they did this in my case so no one would believe the good Psychics I got from a Higher Realm of the Spirit World and they felt by doing this and causing me to complain about it no one would take the good things I gathered seriously and I guess they were right.

They also take issue with a Guide who told them if they don't get out of my body he would destroy them and since he hasn't they are getting meaner trying to force him to say he can't do it and he keeps telling them there is only one way out and its past him then they will find out.

Everything I write is true.
They do from inside my body try to take over the typewriter every time I try to write.

As to the possiblity of damage to the brain, don't think I haven't thought about that being a possibility, but so far there doesn't seem to be anything.

They do quite often when they do this cause my Blood Pressure to go up and on several occassions they have broken the blood vessels in my eyes and things like that.

But since there is little I can do about it I have learned to live with it.
what else can I do.

I mainly brought Stergio on here thinking if I exposed him to his family on Earth and his coworkers at the Hospital where he was on staff he would become embarrassed and come out but so far nothing has worked.

I believe my experience should have some learning value to anyone contemplating dealing with the supernatural.

Tonight again I will run the russian Exorcism last time I did this they began to go through some changes but it starts to have a physical effect on me so I can only do that on occassion.
As God is my witness all of the things I write are true.

are you seriously telling me that you think the picture of the horse head forming from the smoke is real????

Yes, yes I've read the story like a million times.

I don't see anything in the second picture. Other than the person in the bed and the person standing next to it. And all the hospital stuff. No fisherman's hat (what is that, anyway?) No back of a man. Nothing where where the arrow indicates. Just tubes. I don't even see anything that could be mistaken for that other stuff. Sorry. And orbs are just bits of dust floating in the air. Or insects. Nothing paranormal about them.

High blood pressure is a common thing. Also, have you considered seeing an actual doctor about these problems? I'm sure medication will clear up the symptoms.
Really, every time something goes wrong, you surely can't assume it's something paranormal, or something taking over your body.
It can be something as simple as a mental disorder; not some crazy demon/spirit trying to make you roll off a cliff.

Self-esteem issues can do this too...you know.

I really don't care, bash me about being skeptical all you want.

Surely you don't think I would put up with this for 20 years if a pill would cure it.

I realize that few people have these problems and those who have no experiences to compare them with will want to take this excuse route out because facing the possibility that this could actually happen to others would be just too frightening.

I however have decided to use these four to further paranormal research and while at this time I don't know if I can talk them out or force them out I know one thing for sure Stergios relatives on earth are going to read about him and if he doesn't get out of my body and leave and take my relatives with him there is nothing more he can do about it.

I would like it if they would get out of my body and continue to prove this by visiting others and see if a pill will mask what they do.

I think the answer would be no.

Keep in mind when he walked the Earth Stergio himself was a psychiatrist for many years and he knew when he chose to do this to me that few would believe it, however his relatives in the Spirit World watching him knows what he is capable of.

But when they were on Earth they didn't believe me but now they know first hand from watching him.

Well you sure will write about it 200 times, so who knows???



No, the word I'm looking for is ridiculous. And inconsistent.

My thoughts exactly.
Seriously, if it's been going on for years, at a daily basis...go see a doctor. I mean really.
Alright, fine, you're an adult! But that doesn't mean you don't have to see a specialist. I seriously think you could be diagnosed with multiple personality disorder. >_<


Frightening? No. It's funny. :D
What's so scary about it? Really.
Tell me.

I'd like to know.

Okay i'm new to these boards and have only just stumbled upon the Rosemary saga..

Okay umm, I replied to a statement she made regarding her "possession" on another post, but what is concerning me is that she might not be getting adequate medical assistance here, as you said Taka, there could be a major psychological malfunction going on..
Although I have heard of cases similar that have been treated as schizophrenia and psychosis to no avail..surely if she is going around stating she is possessed openly someone is going to eventually put her somewhere "safe and relaxing" until they can get to the bottom of this?
Know what I mean?

Dr.s can't give you a pill to exorcise spirits from a body, and I was here telling my story just in case an Evil Spirit decided to crawl into your body and you thought it was hemmoroids causing you to have an unscratchable itch.

You are no doubt one of those that reads the Exorxcist or the Annallyse possession and comment ream after ream of posts and say look at the eyes with the big black circles do you think this is really her or have the pictures been touched up.

Then they usually say what a Pity do you think she had some medical condition or was she really possessed.

This long after her death who cares
.
But this case like that one has a lot of stupid people commenting when all I was trying to do is educate you so someone would believe you if the same thing happens to you, or some of the others posting assinine comments to my posts.

I can't imagine that some of you don't have Evil Spirits guiding your remarks..or do you?

I would take a moment and analyze your actions and ask yourself are those my thoughts or could it be someone who hates me in the After Life?

Do you have bad dreams?
Are you indicive?
Do you change your mind a lot?
Some days do you look in the Mirror and find yourself saying who are you?

Do you find yourself picking fights with family members?
Are you sure its you?

Now you're going to blame every ailment on spirits possessing the body? Didn't see that coming a mile away.



The Exorcist was a fictional book by William Peter Blatty so I am going to say that any pictures I see of the ACTRESS Linda Blair possessed are 'touched up' pictures.



I would take credit for teaching you that word, but you spelled it wrong.



If that word 'indicive' means indecisive then being indecisive and changing your mind a lot is the same thing. None of this stuff means you are possessed by spirits that want to do you harm. You attack anyone that tries to help you and you only want to believe your own way. It's like talking to a brick wall.

>_< You won't know exactly what it is until you see a doctor.
It's not safe to assume, that when something goes wrong, it's a spirit causing these things. Seriously. Your beliefs are all fine and dandy, but when it comes down to mental wellness and physical well-being...



No, I'm not. I could care less about those things. I've not once posted on a thread consernning either.


That, or we're all bloody mental!

Seriously, I know some of you would rather say you're possessed by some sort of entity, rather than accept the fact that you have a mental disorder. With all due respect, no one is sane. We're all 'mental' in some fashion, I think you should accept that.
Go. See. A. Doctor.


Yes, but I look forward to them; I can write stories based off the events.

Yes. I like to observe and take note of things.

No. Not usually, maybe. Sometimes. Not sure.
Possibly.
Most things, no, I don't change my mind on. I'm set in my ways.

No. I know the person who's looking back at me; and she doesn't like mirrors.

Yes, I often fight with family members, because they don't have the sense to leave me alone when I tell them to.

Yes. It is me. Because that is who I am.
I have anger problems, and if you would like an example: I chased my nephew with a stake knife. It wasn't an evil spirit. He just wouldn't move out from in front of the TV.

You can't always say something is a spirit. Especially when you haven't even gone to a specialist to find out if anything is wrong with you in the first place.

It seems exceedingly clear Rosemary, that you need a full physical and or psychiatric evaluation... You may be fine, but for your own health reasons it would be good to get checked out... Don't attack the skeptics, we're here to attempt to lend some credibility to a field which is full of people who make absurd claims and refuse medical treatment. Only when all rational explainations are exhausted can something be deemed paranormal or the like. But that's just me.

I think she meant 'incisive', which means keen and sharp. Or at least, that's what I got from it.
Or maybe 'vindictive'.
o______o

I think she mean indecisive because the next thing she says is 'do you change your mind a lot' and those both mean the same thing and she strikes me as the type of person that would post like that. And I don't think it would be a bad thing to be 'incisive' and she was pointing out perceived negative characteristics. That's just what I think.

what's wrong with you people?

are you all experts or do you just like babbling?

different things happen to different people so who are you to say what is right and what is wrong?

is there anything wrong with being openminded? openminded enough to understand you might be wrong?

just so you know this is coming from someone that is married to an atheist so you can't tell me anything i havent already heard from a skeptics point of view (i've heard it ALL) and yes i am a firm believer in God and spirits.

Please excuse the mispelled words and sentence structure because as I type the four Evil Spirits inside my body and some not in my body fight tooth and nail to influence what is being written here.

Dr. Petas points out that I have a full time Psychiatrist right here inside my body and he can attest to the fact that I have nothing wrong with me that he and my three relatives leaving my body couldn't cure.

This of course is called automatic writing when i sit on the Keyboard and many Spirits fight for control of the words going on this keyboard.

As I had lunch I said to them you may not be nice but you do fill all the criteria that is necessary to tell the World you are alive in the Spirit World.

And I have pointed out again to Dr. P. that I believe he is afraid to leave my body and go find his wife and son in the Spirit World after what he has done here.

I'm bloody mental, why do you ask?


Neither. :D


No, there is not a problem with being open-minded. However! One must understand there is a line between being an open-minded person, and an idiot (for lack of a better word). When it's obvious your brains have fallen out, well then you're too open-minded.
And your second question, I believe should apply to Rosemary.
At this point in time, it appears that she is too open-minded.


Mm. Could care less who or what you're married to. That doesn't prove any type of point, other than personal will, strength/weakness, and determination.


Oh, excuse me, of course it's not because you're a bad speller.


Ah, I see. You've acquired more spirits!

No, Rosemary, listen. If you want us to believe that you're possessed by many spirits, do this:

Go to a doctor. A specialist: A psychologist.
When he or she can find no explanation for your behavior, report back with their forms and a note. :D

Until you give me solid, rock hard proof that you actually harbor entities within your body, I'm on the skeptics side; saying that you have a mental disorder.
Multiple personality disorder, and schizophrenia.

Also, when in every (or the major majority) of your posts are filled with your experiences on your own personal possession, it makes me think that you're desperate for the attention; as well. You'll notice the same tactic in small children.
They repeat. And repeat. And repeat, until they get the desired amount of attention.

This could easily all be a (I'm not quite sure it's been well organized or not... "Dr. Petas points out that I have a full time Psychiatrist right here inside my body and he can attest to the fact that I have nothing wrong with me")...lie.

Not a thing wrong with me, why do you ask?



Experts at what? I like posting, this is a forum, after all.



I am entitled to my opinion and I base it on the postings of others. And I am coldethyl.



Sure. If I am wrong and RC is really possessed by 4 spirits and they bring her coupons etc, etc, etc, then I'll admit it. I don't think it will happen though. If you bothered to look, I think I post pretty much with an open mind. This person has just become (get your dictionary) banal and insipid.



Well good. I hope he brings you coupons.

HAHAHAHA! LOL! I spit coffee on my keyboard when I read that, thats how hard I laughed! *makes mental note not to drink beverages and read Coldethyl's posts at the same time*

ask yourself the same question salamah:

"is there anything wrong with being openminded? openminded enough to understand you might be wrong?"

Wow. You have a really talented tush. The visual conjured up leaves me speechless, with all the spirits fighting.......

Rosemary, for god's sake, quit posting about the damn spirit guides and the relatives from the after life crap! Can't you just leave a comment along the lines of saying "it could be possible" rather than "when a person dies and goes into the after life they come back to haunt you and make you believe that the stars are telling you things, and I know this to be true because I work with the guides and if anyone has anything to say about it and I don't agree it's wrong dammit!"

I would have had no problem with the post, I give up on you I guess, but why do you have to ALWAYS mention the spirit guides and the afterlife? Your not going to accomplish sqwat! As I have said before, you being on this site doesn't mean you'll go down in history, if you don't understand that by now then no matter what anyone says it will never do any good.



Are you being sarcastic? Rosemary isn't anything near open minded, more like she's anxious for something that could get her and others into deep trouble, don't be confused by what you may consider or abide to her as being "open minded" if she really was, she'd take some advice, apparently she's suffering and having a horrible experience with these spirits living inside her body and at the same time she's playing "tea" with her invisible and imaginery friends.



Taka, Rosemary has been talking about that stuff since the beginning, I wouldn't even go into that detail, just search her posts and you'll see what she's had to say again and again and again over and over and over.



We've been over this too, don't bother suggesting that kind of advice to her, she won't take very kindly too it or she'll just ignore it and continue blabbing.



Nothing skeptic about it, she's already proven that, most of what she says is irrational garbage.



I agree with you 100%, but it's not going to work with her, we have to watch over her like a little child telling her the same things as she does except the complete opposite, whatever you do, don't waste your breath on her, she won't change for anything.

You guys I don't think she's talking about everyone here, to be honest this sounds like something directed at Rosemary, after all, she's the only one here or claims she's an expert and that everything she writes is true.

It could have been taken that way, sure.
Yes, I assume she is open minded if she can accept that spirits may live inside of her, however, I still have reason to think that she may be suffering from a mental disorder.

How many people do you know, would like to hear that they're mental...?


Then I was being sarcastic.
I've read enough of her posts to give a cow a stomach ache.


Well, it's not worth a try then? You don't have to be so rude, if we're on the same side in this. I was simply offering a suggestion, that if she wanted us to believe her, then she could get the word from an actual doctor, other than the one that is supposedly in her body. *Shrug*


Indeed there is.
She hasn't proven anything; however, she does go in a lot of circles, and adds/takes things away.


Perhaps it's a part of her disorder.

Well, at least you didn't shoot milk out your nose. I'm so in disbelief about the coupons because that was the craziest thing I'd ever heard.

hehe, crazy it is, but somewhere in this thread -http://www.skepticforum.com/viewtopic.php?...e10cf690a3f2ec3- on the Skeptics Society forum, Ms RC says that Dr P floats in and out of her nether region. Now thats crazy!

RLMFAO! Getting cramps from laughings

Oh. My. God.

^^^ My thoughts exactly. =|

However, she fails to be open minded because she takes on something and uses it as an excuse for EVERYTHING, just because you believe in spirits doesn't mean your open minded, Rosemary is for sure saying that she is for sure possessed,



Taka, a while back I never jumped to the conclusion and told Rosemary she was mental, I did say it was a possibility and those could be the odds, but she denys it claiming it to be the one and only truth,and then she shakes that finger at anyone who says that change their minds and say "I think I'm going to consider you seeing a psychiatrist"



I wasn't being rude to you, I am however fed up with Rosemary playing this fighting game with almost everyone here, it's not worth a try I guess when you tell her the same things over and over again, I'm just either going to ignore her from now on or actually toss her a few new things across her way to see what rationality she possesses.



No, she proves that she's irrational because she is, it's not just about circles, it's the fact that when you talk to her about it, she has no reasonable statements, sure, you feel bad for her at first, and certaintly you'd want to help her, but Rosemary does not believe in any devil, she refers and speaks through Dr. P as a "follower of Satan" but how can that be if Rosemary does not believe Satan even exists?

Being skeptic about it is nothing you should be concerned about, Rosemary has proven herself to be worthy of an admission to the insane ayslum, maybe if she went there she could be cured of these spirits.

The only other possibility is that she is fighting long and hard for something she is using as she claims Anvil as: "for show" some people are just like that, that in itself is an irrational thing to do, either way you look at it, she's irrational, and there is to a point where her mental state is involved and she doesn't even know it.

I'm not doing anything for show. It is exactly the reason why I refuse to go through with a cleansing for her when there is nothing there to collect. What is the benifit of that? If it was all for show then would it matter if they were there or not? You can't mop spilled milk that isn't there, well you could if it's for just for show.....I'm not out to prove or disprove anything either. Rosemary has either misunderstood me or I wasn't clear enough about why there was nothing further that could be done. Her spirits do exist, I have seen the Dr P for myself. But they are not possessing her, they are not in her body or in her brain. She needs a different kind of help for her problems, but untill she accepts it isn't the spirits causing them I can't see her getting the right help.

Anvil,

It is alright if you still wish to be on the neutral side and continue to give Rosemary suggestions (not fully helping her of course) I just want to add that getting involved with her period can sometimes lead to more than bargained for, Rosemary will not understand and I won't be suprised if she is to give you criticism that may seem a little off edgy and of bad taste in expressions.

Do it at your own will, I am here to inform you however, that it will be a bumpy ride if you are to even associate with her claims, prepare as things may get a little wild.

Boltwave I have the right to clear up anything that has been taken out of context, it's not about what side I am on. When it comes to Rosemary I have already washed my hands of the matter, there is no where else to go with it. I may not hold the exact same reasons as others do but I arrive at the same place as others in that her problems are not her spirits.

I have a question for you Anvil, how is it that Dr. Petas (if not possessing Rosemary) have any coorealtion to you and how is it he just appears to you becoming involved in the conversation if he is not involved at all?????