hahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha 99% i'm sorry but i will not rely on something that is not 100%. If i am to be linked to such a creature as a chimp i want it to be 100% and then i want to wait a while then watch scientists, because when they find a new test that proves them wrong i want to be there just so i can laugh at everyone for thinking they evolved from an animal who eats bugs.

i did read the post right, what you posted earlier was "couldnt the same thing be said about adam and eve?" when i clearly made that point in my post, i didnt see why i should have to restate myself because you didnt read it. What i said was that science proves itself wrong but the bible NEVER goes back on it's word because God doesn't go back on his word...

You cant tell me that the theory(note: it is a theory, a flaw in itself) of evolution has not changed over the years...the stories in the bible however have not changed....see the inconsistencies compared to the consistencies???

Well first off this is an assumption that everything of ours dies when our bodies die, and even if its true so what, it just means make the most of your time here, help people, teach them, care for them, so that when you do die, your life and teachings will be remembered by those who follow.

That is a consequence of how science works. It starts from ignorance and works slowly towards a model that best fits reality. Many general explainations in science have survived the test of time and are unlikely to ever be disproven. For example the existance of the atom, or the theory that the Earth orbits the Sun will likely never been disproven. We can talk about "what if it is wrong" a lot but at the end of the day I doubt it will be.

She still does not know what "THEORY" means....

Creationists argue that evolution is "only a theory and cannot be proven."

As used in science, a theory is an explanation or model based on observation, experimentation, and reasoning, especially one that has been tested and confirmed as a general principle helping to explain and predict natural phenomena.

Any scientific theory must be based on a careful and rational examination of the facts. A clear distinction needs to be made between facts (things which can be observed and/or measured) and theories (explanations which correlate and interpret the facts.

A fact is something that is supported by unmistakeable evidence. For example, the Grand Canyon cuts through layers of different kinds of rock, such as the Coconino sandstone, Hermit shale, and Redwall limestone. These rock layers often contain fossils that are found only in certain layers. Those are the facts.

It is a fact is that fossil skulls have been found that are intermediate in appearance between humans and modern apes. It is a fact that fossils have been found that are clearly intermediate in appearance between dinosaurs and birds.

Facts may be interpreted in different ways by different individuals, but that doesn't change the facts themselves.

Theories may be good, bad, or indifferent. They may be well established by the factual evidence, or they may lack credibility. Before a theory is given any credence in the scientific community, it must be subjected to "peer review." This means that the proposed theory must be published in a legitimate scientific journal in order to provide the opportunity for other scientists to evaluate the relevant factual information and publish their conclusions.

Creationists refuse to subject their "theories" to peer reviews, because they know they don't fit the facts. The creationist mindset is distorted by the concept of "good science" (creationism) vs. "bad science" (anything not in agreement with creationism). Creation "scientists" are biblical fundamentalists who can not accept anything contrary to their sectarian religioius beliefs.

SOURCE

How do you know that God didnt create evolution itself?? If you cant explain as to how on earht adam and even where able to live hundreds of years and give birth to - Asians, Blacks, whites ect..all different races..all over the world....so....why is it so hard to believe that God DID create evolution...God created the bacteria from which every living thing came from...no matter what that living thing is...it was God that started the whole thing...why doesnt that make sense to you Gwyny?

After all Gwyny you did try and say you have not got a cloded mind...and yet you cant think from outside of some book that was written by a man?

If you had an open mind girly...you would think further and look at things differently and God gave you a brain..you should expand your mind more....we have to figure things out for ourselves...but still love God and Jesus in the same way we always have done...but why must we dismiss evolution..when its Gods creation....I could not swallow a book like the bible...I look beyond that...I dont have a closed mind

In General (meaning this next part is not aimed at just one person)
It's too easy to take the word of the bible..than to educate yourself....far too easy...it shows that a person runs from things they do not understand ..so the easy option is to take the bibles word for it...well thankfull I have the best of both worlds...I still have faith in God and his son Jesus christ...but I dont hide away behind some lil book that was written by man...to discover things in life...God gave me a brain..and i'll always make use of it...I dont like easy answers that dont make sense

yea but doubting something is not 100% and thats the point i'm trying to make is that niether science nor the bible are 100%. I on the other hand choose to believe the bible

To everyone else i am not ignorant for believeing the bible i am not narrow minded. I wouldnt be in these forums if i didnt want to think about other possibilities, all this forum is doing is enhancing my christianity by realizing that everytime i find a new religion or a new idea, it either contradicts itself, or is not 100%. And the bible may or may not be 100% many have doubts. All i'm saying is that their are a million possibilities, i choose the one i think best.

Yes there is a possibility that i'm wrong but i dont believe so. So why can't i believe in the bible? Why do i have to agree with evolution to be "cool" in this forum? Why can't i use bible verses to back up my side of things? It's what i believe isnt it? I try and prove the bible with the bible...because thats what i believe, many others use evolution to prove evolution and say say no i dont because if you use any scientific evidence of evolution in your argument you are using evolution to prove evolution. I mean you couldnt use the bible to prove evolution and you couldnt you evolution to prove the bible.

So in other words, i'm a believer, i wouldnt use science to fight my battles i would use gods word. Make sense?

Now I think I have seen everything!

Umm no sorry it doesnt...God gave you a brain to educate yourself too...the bible is the easy option..easy answers that dont add up..written by some guy that didnt have an ounce of wit ...I too am a believer but one that has a brain..no offense..God created evolution..some day if you learn more about it..instead of running from it you will understand it

as i said before i choose to believe in the bible and there is nothing wrong with that. If you say there is then, i can say how can you believe evolution? That was thought up by man.

Oh yea and AS I SAID BEFORE i have looked past the bible MANY times and the bible still makes more sense. So in dumb english...if i looked past the bible i'm not closed minded...is anyone there? How many times do i have to say i looked past the bible i looked past the bible i looked past the bible and know what i found...the BIBLE WAS RIGHT!

oh really...read the rest of my post instead of picking what you will out of it...to you the bible is not 100% to me it is. But to everyone science is not 100% no matter what

Good lord ...Gwyny the bible give you the easy answer written by a guy that prolly was never educated in his life so because you hated science at school you think ok the bible gives an easy to understand solution i'll go with that....and you are trying to tell me you AINT close mineded LOL girl you are cracking me up over here.....and waaah waaahh the bible was right...come on how the heck do you know it was right...ohh lemme guess is it because your faith says so??

Its people like you that make me be thankful I have an education...

@ I have looked beyond the bible..............yeaaaaaaaaaaa sure ya have ...I believe you have...thousands wouldnt.....and dont get SARKY with me missy...

oh is that a fact??? WHERE IS THE PROOF BM???? WHERE???? I NEVER HEARD OF THAT BEFORE! HAHAHA NOW I HAVE REALLY SEEN EVERYTHING!

oh yea and if the bible is so easy why didnt you read it?

The SAME proof you have Z E R O LOL

As for reading the bible..I have long ago I was taught it back when I followed a faith....guess what girly....I grew up and WISED up...I dont like bland fictional novels

So you where saying??

I was laughing so hard I missed that BM!

Gods words.....

Numbers 31:17-18
-"Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man ... , keep alive for yourselves."
Murder? Raping little girls?

Deut. 7:1
-When Yahweh your god has settled you in the land you're about to occupy, and driven out many infidels before you...you're to cut them down and exterminate them. You're to make no compromise with them or show them any mercy.
Again murder! Extermination? No mercy?

Luke 19:27
-But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."
What happened to turn the other cheek?

Deuteronomy 21
20: And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
21: And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die:
so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
I would hate to be your child.....


Your God is a violent God.

Note the word prolly and oh yea that fact that you are assuming you know everything about me. How the heck do i know the bible is right? Look around, and how the heck do you know your right? You dont you dont even have a book or evolution to prove your points and you say i'm not educated!

Question for you Gwyny and just you LOL


Explain how Adam & Eve...where able to live nearly a thousand years LOL and give birth to all kinds of humans like Asians Blacks ect...ohh please explain it.....WITHOUT using your lil bible


Go on??

I did read it....you included both science and the Bible when you said it was not 100% and now you say it is.......... Talk about contradictions.

ya know what i think you are all pissed because i'm making sense and you cant stand it, so you have to belittle me and my faith and just for the purpose of this argument

"Your god is violent"
"I have an education you dont"

you think your so much wiser than me. I have never seen this much disrespect from you people...i dont have to believe what you do! Get that throught your thick skulls

I have looked around and STILL no proof...ohh and Gwyny I NEVER claimed I KNEW everything about you...but from what I can tell so far...you have a closed mind...and you dropped science as a subject at school..by the sounds of it...and when you cant fully answer anything you go straight to your lil bible for confort....you dont think there is more to life than that...but thats from just reading your posts

if you really believe in god then through him all things are possible and you would have known that had you read you bible

Who is belittling who?

LOL you are one to tell any of us that we have thick skulls LOL laughable

Now Gwyny answer my last question...stop trying to aviod it but only answer it if you think you can



Man I need a laugh

i said to me the bible is 100% maybe not to you but to me...BUT to everyone science is not 100% no matter who is looking at it...so let me reapeat

Me-bible is 100% not science
you-Bible is not 100% and niether is science

got it?



i was quoting someone thats why the words are in quotes....geese

Thats it??? thats the best answer you can come up with...come on womanzzz surely you can at least TRY and explain it LOL


Man this is good

i already answered it...through him (meaning God) all things are possible. Once again i am reapeating myself because you dont read.

I know you did and if you scroll up I replied to your answer asking you was that it?? Surely you can explain it with more detail cant you??

yea it is the only answer for me and thats becuase its what i believe its what the bible says. I'm not gonna use science because science is not what i believe...and i am not ignorant for believing that you are mean to assume that i dont look further into things, you wouldnt knwo would you?

it might be time to just let it go lol
no offence gwyny but if you're going to believe something that much and are okay with the answer that through god all things are possible, then you are taking so much away from humanity and your self....
there is way more to life and understanding then the bible and your god...
and science might not ever be 100% but you sure don't mind using the computer, internet, television, and every other modern technology that came from science do you?

nope because they dont contradict what i believe, evolution however does and evolution is not a valid enough argument for me

so what exactly is it about evolution that isn't a valid argument again?
if it's the whole dating thin that's got nothing to do with evolution at all that's a whole different field...

Gwyny there are such things as religious sceintists...that also believe in evolution

Its ok that you follow a bible Gwyny..but girl you have to remember that NOT everyone will believe in what you believe in...the world is full of many different beliefs and theories...this is something that both you and I cant begin to comprehend

So..in conclusion.........

You believe in what the bible says...according to you....the earth is only a couple of thousand years old!!! ... and we all came from Adam & Eve who managed to live for nearly a thousand years and breed all kinds like Asians Blacks Whites ect. from all over the world..cuz god made it possible for them...(so adam must not have questioned Eve when she sprung out a chineese baby lol) there is no other explaination...the bible is right..regardless of proof....................Gwyny chick....thats OK to believe in all of that...Good for you for sticking by your guns...now I fully understand you stick with what I call the easy root and answers..and fair play to you for doing it...and I am not trying to be sarky with you..I am serious this time

As for me...I have been taught the bible many moons ago...I grew to look beyond it...I took an intrest in evolution...I believe that God created evolution....I believe that science does hold a number of answers..God made it all possible, but he wanted us to disvover for ourselves..and I believe if the man that wrote the bible..had not have written it..goodness knows what a lot of people would believe..but for me I dont think that would change much to people lives...people can and have lived great lives without the use of a bible....but I will never give up my faith in God and Jesus...I have the best of both worlds and I too am happy with it :

I dont want to get in the middle of this, but I just have to point something out here:



So its possible that god created evolution?

Yup...sure is

right, but this topic is why evolution DOESN'T work for you, so in general, the topic is concerned with people who don't believe in evolution, not those who do. Its good that you take Gwyny serious, but this doesn't change the fact that what she said has importance to the topic. Lets not stray.
Why doesn't evolution work for me? Because it strips people of their worth because it claims that God did not create humans and that there is no resurrection. It pretty much calls mankind wild animals. Being the most intelligent life form on earth, I find it hard to believe that we just got lucky with being so intelligent. The problem with evolution and religion together is that people then claim to have a deeper knowlege of God, which isn't true. Notice that God never told Adam and Eve why the tree of knowledge of good and evil was bad to eat from, he just said don't do it. Back in the day, there were people of the Jewish faith who claimed to have a deeper knowledge of God and these were called GNOSTCS which is was is why they were left out of the Bible, because thet were incosistent with the Torah. So, as Christians, we must stay consistent, or our very faith is shaky. Which do you believe? Do you believe that God created the earth in six days, or do you believe that we progressed over millions of years. Do you believe that God created the man from dust in one day or that he came from mud over a progression of a long time. You see? Evolution is not complimentary with the Bible. How long must you stay between two opinions? If you worship God then follow God. If you believe in evolution then follow evolution, but you can't pick and choose which of the two you like and still convince us that evolution should work for us.

I believe that God did create the earth ...but we and ALL living things progressed over BILLIONS of years

Evolution has more facts going for it that creation does.

As my profile says:

Gwyny, please read the following if you're as open-minded as you say:

Frequently Asked Questions About Evolution
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/faq/

*ESSAY V: EVOLUTION FOR CHRISTIANS
by Christian Robert J. Schneider
http://community.berea.edu/scienceandfaith/essay05.asp

Intelligent Design
http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/intelligent_design.htm

Intelligent Design: An Ambiguous Assault on Evolution
http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/050922_ID_main.html

The Top 10 Intelligent Designs (or Creation Myths)
http://www.livescience.com/history/top10_i...nt_designs.html

Top 10 Missing Links
http://www.livescience.com/humanbiology/to...ssinglinks.html

Christian apologetic site Answers in Genesis says this a question creationists should not use!

*Arguments we think creationists should NOT use
http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/...nt_use.asp#apes

*Scientific America: 15 Answers to Creationist Nonsense
Opponents of evolution want to make a place for creationism by tearing down real science, but their arguments don't hold up
By John Rennie (editor in chief of Scientific American)
http://www.angelfire.com/ok5/pearly/htmls/gop-evolution.html

*National Center for Science Education (NCSE)
http://www.ncseweb.org/

*The New Yorker: DEVOLUTION: Why intelligent design isn’t.
by H. ALLEN ORR
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/050530fa_fact

Evolution
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/index.html

Evolution multimedia library
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/index.html

Sean

No offense Sean but if she is stuck to the bible she is NOT going to read all of that

You're not getting it. Evolutionists are asking Christians to rationalize God to them. DOES ANYONE FIND THIS A BIT FOOLISH? Its okay to ask why some don't believe in evolution, but to ask someone to rationalize God to them, you are going to get a billion different rationalizations because each have their own personal relationship with God. It is written that the Mystery of God won't be understood until Jesus returns, so how can we rationalize God to you? To rationalize God with our mortal minds would be to bring God below what he really is and that would make him look imperfect. I'm sorry, I cannot rationalize a perfect, and mighty, and wonderful God in a manner that a person who has no faith is not willing to accept any way. Sorry. Fight evolutionists is a waste of time and I already dust my shoes of on it.

I tried to tell Sean..in fact both you guys are not going to read up on evoultion LOL

Ya know, I skipped over a couple of pages of this thread, because it has devolved into nothing more than an argument on the level of:
"I'm right, you're wrong! Nyah nyah nyah", but one response did catch my eye. And, since I asked a question regarding the various genotypes 4 pages back with out response, let me try again.




So if Gywny and Bluefinger decide to have children, and the child comes out looking like an African, or an Asian, Hispanic, or Semetic, then its OK because "its gods will"?

I ask this because I cannot see how the bibical 'eve' could give birth to so many variations on a type, yet you claim that it is because god wanted it so.

And why don't unfaithful wives ever use this ploy when junior doesn't look like daddy?
Husband: Hey! this kid has red hair! no one in the family has red hair!
Wife: Oh its gods plan (thinking about the secret affair she had)
Husband: Oh, ok.

It doesn't say that any of that. Otherwise there would be no people belonging to major religions who accepted evolution.



It doesn't. Biology classifies humans as animals: Homo sapiens are a species in kingdom animalia. But it doesn't classify us as "wild" animals. Even dogs aren't known as wild animals.



I could imagine the dolphins found it hard to believe they got so lucky being the most intelligent life form in the ocean.



Many disagree. I don't mind either way. But if evolution isn't compatible with the Bible then im afraid I must conclude the bible is incorrect. In the same way some muslims say that Evolution is not compatible with the Koran. Again if it isn't compatible then I have to conclude that the Koran is incorrect. I can't simply ignore the evidence just because a particular creation story disagrees.

Beside, if we came from monkies, then what do you care about God. If you are convinced that there is no God, then why even ask? Is it that you think you can open up mankind to an understanding? Thats all it is is an understanding, but yet we all understand things differently. Do you want to reveal to mankind that we are monkies? Okay, so what were we before monkies? What did monkies evolve from? So we are wild monkies that by some fluke turned out to be the most intelligent life form on earth yet? That's why evolution doesn't work for me. Finding different stages of sapiens doesn't change the fact that we are here now and are going some other place. This theory of theirs does nothing but tear the value and worth of each human being down to just another animal. So why don't we all just get our wives preggers and leave them then? Thats what animals do. Why don't we give up on war? If we are animals, then we should be quite happy with what we have. Why don't we give up on sports, entertainment, books, educations, ect. If we are just animals, then lets live like we were meant to live. Alcohol and drugs hurt us, we know. But so does gas immissions, fatty foods, too much TV. There is so much of a big difference between the caveman and us that it isn't even funny. I believe we were created by God.

ok first of all i would like to point out how naive gwyny and her ranting on about this thread is.
evolution is supported by evedence and a lot of it, the bible is just a story supported only by believers and obscure references and interpretations. the truth and fact of it all is that all of the matter in the universe has always existed in one form or another, mater cannot be created or destroyed , only change states or break down to simpler elements, the simplest element being hydrogen the fuel that powers our sun and many other stars. heavier more complex elements are made when simple ones are fused together under great heat and preasure.

ok that will be all for today kids physics class is over till next time.......lol

This shows you have no knowledge of human evolution. Humans and apes (per evolution theory) evolved from a common primate species.

It doesn't say that Eve had different looking children. If you remember the tower of Babel, all were one race, one nation, one language, one motivation, and that is to be better than God. So God confused their languages and spread them abroad the earth. If you notice that those in hotter and humid climates have bigger nostrils dark complections. Those in colder areas have lighter skin color and smaller nostrils. We often find certain human attributed do to the area in which we grew up in. This gave people their variety. So, no, Eve did not pop out different looking kids. Her kids, grand children's grand children's grandchildrens, grandchildren's ect.'s children had different looking kids. Lets not get confused on this subject.




Which was?????

I wonder if he realises what he's just said...

If you're going to argue against evolution, you should do some research first. We DID NOT evolve from MONKEYS. No monkeys, okay? Monkeys bad. Can I make it any clearer?

Okay, you admit that there is so much difference between the caveman and us. Maybe that has something to do with evolution??? We evolved into what we are? Or, were you saying that God made modern man, but not the caveman?

if you look back at my original question bluefinger, I asked that very question: why are certain genotypes suited to their environment.

I recall the tower of babel story. It states that god confused their language, not scrambled their complexions.



How so if they all came from A & E?