I have seen the same documentaries on the DC, and the conclusion was that the Noah story was based on much earlier Sumerian/Akkadian/Babylonian myth[s] known as the Epic of Gilgamesh, Enuma Elish et al. And the flood was not global--for the ancients it certainty seemed that way--but a massive local flood.

Morning guys. As PA said, quite difficult to know exactly what a cubit was. Some say it was the measurement from the elbow to the fingerrtips. Makes accurately measuring anything very difficult. One man's cubit, was another man's cubit and a half!

Sean

Especially if they had longer arms back then!

My cubit is 17.5".

Not quite, the Bible used the term "cubit" to describe the size of the boat. If I recall correct, no one knows exactly how long a cubit is. They only have educated guesses. The dimensions though are accurate.

Wouldn't have posted them if I hadn't read them, Sweetstuff. Just wanted to point out that they haven't found Noah's ark.

Sean

BM this site has no been seen by the archeological or scientific community due to the Turkish government not allowing it had it been seen and verified it would indeed be an important find unfortunately this is not the case and has been shown to be of dubious origin and both its discoverers and the fact it is being opened to tourism leave it in a very grey light.
So its not a case that science is wrong when we want it to be it hasn't even been done

Blue with regards to shells on mountains i suggests you research plate tectonics as to see why

On a side note lets say that it is real im interested to know if my understanding is correct that it contained 2 of every species on earth . How would they all fit i know its a Seems a little obvious to ask but thats one very large mass in a relativity small boat and a whole lot more dung

Time and time again I see statements such as why are there still monkeys
We evolved from monkeys ect...Made as an argument against Evolution .To make such a statement shows a lack of understanding of evolution as a working process
So I would like to know is this doubt due to lack of education in this field or has real evidence been found to discredit it

I would like to know why some believers discount evolution

What do you base your doubt on?

What evidence have you found out side of your religious teaching to make you doubt it as a working biological process?

If I recall correct, no one knows exactly how long a cubit is.

Not quite, the Bible used the term "cubit" to describe the size of the boat. If I recall correct, no one knows exactly how long a cubit is. They only have educated guesses. The dimensions though are accurate.

Big Cheese I only agree there was an ark...I dont agree with what the bible says LOL.....I find it really hard to believe that there was two of each animal on this earth...and all of those people...and the age noah was when he built it..I could go on...none of it makes sense...but thats the bible for you ....the only thing I believe is that there was indeed a flood and noahs ark was real..but thats it...the rest of noahs ark story dont add up to me

Here's another question...how on earth did he managed to get every single last creature there was?? Without being killed LOL See this is WHY I am for evolution.....think about this for a sec.....If it where so easy for God to create life forms....then why on earth did he care if two of each animal where kept and the rest wiped out?? If he is all powerful and almighty...he would have just let the flood happen and when it was over...create new life forms...more people??...So...could it be that God new it took millions and millions of years for all of those animals and people to evolve??? So thats why he got noah to build an ark to save two of every kind???...Just a theory dont poke fun at it or i'll bite ya!!!!!

Boltwave: That story about the Charles Darwin conversion has no proof, and has been denied by his family.

What's impossible for God? This is the Almighty we're talking about here. If the story about Noah's ark is true, then Noah's ark isn't what is important, or a flood, or evolution, but God alone.

In that case, why any flood at all? Why didn't god just zap all the people that ticked him off?

It is curious though that you used the word, "if".

What's impossible for God? This is the Almighty we're talking about here. If the story about Noah's ark is true, then Noah's ark isn't what is important, or a flood, or evolution, but God alone.

meaning I dont believe what the bible says about it or what the bible says about God...I made my own mind up about God...and if God is the almighty...and if he was the one to write his own words in the bible...I'll tell you this much Blue...there wouldnt be ONE single contradiction...not one..and...the bible wouldnt be moked by ANYONE

I know how much you hate Bible scripture, but I gotta:

2 Peter 3:3 ¶Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

Seems like someone already beat me to the explanation.

Traditionally, the mikvah was used by both men and women for various purposes. Everyone was required to go to the mikvah upon coming into contact with the dead or other ritually unclean (tamei) objects if they wanted to enter the temple area or eat Terumah. Nazirites were required to immerse in the mikvah upon completing their vows, lepers were required to immerse upon healing, priests were required to immerse before performing certain Temple rites, men were required to immerse after having a nocturnal emission (this is still practiced by some as tevilath Ezra, "the immersion of Ezra"), and women after giving birth or menstruating. Ancient mikvahs dating from Temple times (predating 70 AD) can be found throughout the Land of Israel, as well as in the diaspora.
Present situation
Today, among Orthodox Jews, only women are still required to immerse in a mikvah after childbirth or menstruation before they have intercourse with their husbands. In some Orthodox communities, men may immerse before their wedding. Women immerse themselves before the day of their wedding, after their last pre-wedding menstrual cycle in order to be ritually pure for their wedding night. Traditionally, converts to Judaism also immerse in the mikvah, although a minority of Reform rabbis do not require this. Some men, especially in Hasidic circles, also use the mikvah regularly, either daily, before Shabbat, or before certain Jewish holidays. Since a woman's use of the mikvah is a private matter, men and women may have separate mikvah facilities in separate locations, or have different designated times to use the same mikvah. Orthodox Judaism also requires immersing vessels and utensils in a mikvah, under certain circumstances, as part of the kashering process.Conservative Judaism still officially requires immersion in a mikvah under virtually the same circumstances as Orthodox Judaism, and Issac Klein's A Guide to Jewish Religious Practice contains chapters on the laws of women's immersion following menstruation and childbirth. However, these practices have largely fallen into disuse among Conservative Jews, although immersion is practiced as part of conversion and certain other circumstances.A Jewish funeral home may have a mikvah for immersing a body during the purification procedure before burial.
Requirements of a mikvah
The rules regarding the construction of mikvaot are complicated. The immersion itself must take place in a "mayan" a spring or well. Certain rivers or lakes can therefore be used for immersion, but one should always check with a mikvah expert to be sure as to the status of a particular body of water. Standard bathtubs cannot be used. Alternately, rain water can also be used, and is the source of most mikvah water today. Though a certain amount of rainwater is required, this can be augmented with regular tap water, which has a connection to the pool of rain water. This later formula is often used so that the water used for immersion can be frequently changed. A pool of rainwater (bor) is connected with a duct to a regular bathing pool, and the duct is closed to empty and replace the regular water without having to replace the rain water. A mikvah must contain a minimum of forty se'ah of water, approximately 200 gallons.
Requirements for immersion
Immersion requires that the water cover the entire body. All clothing, jewelry, and even bandages must be removed, and the hair must be combed straight so that there are no knots. In contemporary mikvaot for women, there is always an experienced attendant, commonly called the "mikvah lady", to watch the immersion and ensure that the woman has been entirely covered in water.

bubba, I hate to burst your bubble, but the Jews have been practicing baptism forr thousands of years. It's called a "mikvah", and orthodox Jews still do it. John the Baptist didn't invent it.for you wikipedia worshippers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikvah

Please remember that the real authors and editors of the n.t., in the 4th century, knew little of Hebrew, Judiasm, and Jewish customs. Just like the garbled story of Jesus's bar Mitzvah, in Luke. They didn't know about Mikvah, or they would have realized that John was preaching nothing new.

I'm not saying that John invented Baptism. I know that almost every culture had it. I'm saying that Jesus is the one that gave its importance. Yes it is by the blood of Jesus that we are made clean. I misunderstood it. What I believe now is that as Noah passed through the flood into a new world and new life, so through Baptism do we start a new life in Jesus Christ. As Noah was obedient to God and saved, thus are those that are obedient to Christ. John 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Thanks for the info on the Mikvah though.

I know how much you hate Bible scripture, but I gotta:

2 Peter 3:3 ¶Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

Seems like someone already beat me to the explanation.

In that case, why any flood at all? Why didn't god just zap all the people that ticked him off?

It is curious though that you used the word, "if".

1. I am not scoffing...I just say it dont make sense to me...and of course the bible will say that, cuz the person that wrote it KNEW there will be those of us that will think its far fetched...it obvious...God himself knows fine well that people will be skeptic of his existance...but for some reason Blue, I don't think God would hold that against skeptics for not following him...If he created humans...he created the human mind..its hos own work...so yea he is well aware how people will think...this does not mean skeptics are bad and will go to hell LOL God give you a brain...and if you chose to seek further so be it...he aint gonna hold it against you

Blue....If I wrote a bible...and long after I am gone...1000 years after even...and all of a sudden my bible is found by a new breed of scientisits....people will read what I have written and guess what Blue...I will have got me a number of followers to actually believe my words and I will have convinced them that my words are really Gods words.....And I am serious...who's to say it wouldnt happen??? And due to my bible...a new religion is born...growing and growing and there will be the skeptics that will see right through my bible LOL...thats life

Blue you can write whatever you like and make it look as if God wrote it ...i'll bet you anything 1000 years or more after you are long gone and you bible is found..you will have people believing your work.....you cant say it wont happen...it would...people are so easily laid down the garden path its unreal ...but unlike the bible you have now blue...you could make yours not look as bad and have no contradictions within it...unlike the people who never thought long and hard about what they where writing...the bible is proof of that

God I believe does exist..but I dont need a bible to tell me that..and tell me how to live my life either...I know right from wrong..as for my belief in God and his son....its my own personal choice...I dont do it because I belong to a group of followers...I do it because I want to...and not because a book says I should....God gave me a mind alright...and how I make use of it...is my concern
Blue- Another question for you...have you ever thought that one of these fine days you might end up becoming a skeptic/athiest?....Think about it Blue...you don't know whats going to happen..you can be so set in your ways, so much so that if someone told you...that one day you will wind up a NB....you would laugh at that...but never say never

For all I know I could wind up becoming a christian...........I dont know...reason why I am saying this...is long before I had Becky...I didnt care for kids...I wouldn't give them the time of day...I wouldn't look at a lil baby or so much as smile back at one...I couldnt bare to hear one cry its lungs out...I liked the idea of just having ....me...Gary and our pet dog around the house...it was peaceful...and we could go anywhere without worrying over who was going to baby sit ect.We have been living together for 10 years without kids................I have requested to have my whomb removed twice in the past..throughout my entire 20's....I just couldn't stand children ...When asked about kids I kept changing the subject and kept saying NEVER in a million years...I was told ...................Never say Never!!! I even laughed that one off too....

I hit my 30's and soon all changed...I leaned towards babies that where with their moms when I was helping their moms look at kitchen ranges...slowly started to think about it..soon I liked the idea...and talked it over with my partner...then my want became a need...I tried and failed..but didnt give up..now look at me...I have Becky and so proud..my whole outlook has changed..and I love it...its weird how things can change...really weird

So never say never...anything can happen

Well, maybe if you put evolution and the flood in with each other, it would make some sense to say it was neccessary in having a flood in the first place, think about it, re-shaping the earth's surface doesn't sound so distorted to me.

You can't put evolution and the Biblical flood together.

I understand what you are saying. However, I can say never. I've been down that road, had my doubts, did my searching, and found God to be true. So I can firmly say that I'll never turn my back on God. Ofcourse, I don't claim a deeper knowledge of God than would has been provided, I'm not into gnosticism. I wasn't accusing you of scoffing. I was comparing it to how you said that if the Bible was from God that people wouldn't mock(scoff) it. I was only making a point, not pointing fingers. God bless

Hey Zandore! Thanks for the link.

I beilve in evolotion of a speices ,but havent seen proof that we came from apes, a fish and a dog really dont look alike

I don't think we came from apes. I think we are apes.

The reason there is no evidence that we descended from "apes" is because we did not....but the theory (keep in mind the definition of 'theory') is that humans and apes descended from a common primate ancestor.

Some of you should already know that when Charles Darwin was on his deathbed, he stated that he wanted God to forgive all of his past mishaps and mistakes, he even admitted that his theory was inaccurate and false.

Just to lighten the mood a little here