Gotta hand it to ya...you are rather observant..I like that in a person...

Yes I am a believer in God...but I am not that silly to think that I am 100% correct....I do know that I cannot prove that God exists....therefore I can't and wont..tell others what to believe...NOR will I look down on other non believers....who am I to judge them?? Just because I chose within my heart to believe (but not the bible I dont believe in the bible) in God...that don't mean I am right....I only hope I am right

PS don't worry about the coment you made...we all do that from time to time...I still likies you lol

I'm blushing! I admire your logic and respect your beliefs.

...bit of a charmer is me lol

Lol i wanna join in

i admire you too becky i remember when bolt and becky said nice things about me i could not get my head out the door from it being inflated



I think that some people need a god because they would feel alone.

yup I izzzz a charmer LOL...I saw you on RAW Berri's and you said something similar LOL...I likies you too

Let me explain it to you. It's like graduating from university, and not being able to find a job. You can't put the skills you learn to good use. See what I'm saying?

I see what you're saying, exe11er. I think that's kindof a bad analogy though. Did you forget about the world you're presently living in or something? Even if there is an afterlife (which nobody who's alive knows the existence of, btw) it doesn't mean the things we do in our "physical life" won't matter until we're dead. Living for the death isn't really the style of alota people.

LOL yeah, I'm sorry if I made you think I want to die. But wouldn't mind if I did.

Not a very nice thing to say about yourself...how old are you anyhoo?? Just wondering

EDIT - I just read your profile..you are just 16...a lot of teenagers (not all) think like that...its how life looks to an avarage teenager...very comon......you will think differently...when you find that special someone later on and settle down...then things look different...and dont say I am wrong, cuz you havent got that far yet LOL

He's 16 i think

Yea ..thats why I made the edit..I read his profile

ok lol at least i beat you before you edited it



i too went through that stage not caring if i died. I still have low selfastem but i have a loving partner and 2 children and they are what keep me going now i would not want to die and will try my hardest to avoid it unless if it means protecting my partner and children then i will gladly give my life to protect theirs.

No you guys don't think the way I do

Exe That is what I thought also when I was your age.

Post wasted......

I don't want kids. Yeah, life may be great sometimes, but we have to be stuck on this little planet, endure many horrible things in life, and yet it all means NOTHING. Sure, I'd be happy with just living a good life and dying, but that's still not very good in my opinion. I don't care how good your life is, once your dead, it all ment NOTHING. Not to mention a bit unfair to others who had bad lives, died and then.... the end(according to some). Perhaps even people who believe there is no meaning to life, say that they give their own life meaning by living a good life, because they themselves have a hard time admitting it all means absolutley squat.

I don't think the idea of an afterlife was just "thought up". I believe it's VERY plausible, giving the things I know people have experienced. Ghosts, evp, phone calls from dead people, etc... I cannot ignore the possibility of an afterlife, it would be too big of a discovery to pass up.

what is the terror of death?

to die our work incomplete

what is the joy of life?

to die knowing our task is done

The non-existence of an afterlife would not make things meaningless. We live in a world that can be changed for the better, if even by an insignificant amount, to be experienced and enjoyed by all future generations (though everything seems kinda counter-productive at the moment due to idiots being in charge.) But I already took back my statement about an afterlife being "selfish." An afterlife would be pretty cool, and I don't think it would necessarily be the home or creation of a god either.

Edit: Nice post, btw, chaoszerg.

Although, I believe there are many who would agree with you, I believe there are many who are only restrained by their belief that there will be more and worse retribution in an afterlife than what they may or may not experience here if they give in to their true and base impulses. I really do not think mankind would survive if people did not have a certainty of an afterlife. And for many I think it would make life meaningless. Whether these people are weaker or not is certainly up for discussion.

People do not have a certainty of an afterlife though. Some believe, some don't. There are good and bad eggs spread equally among both sides, I think.

What makes you so sure people have a certainty of and afterlife??? How can you be 100% about that?? If all you are going on is your BELIEF, then its not CERTAINTY then is it??

Are you calling those that don't believe...WEAKER than you and other like you?? <--its a question....simple question....

IF (key word IF) you believe people are weaker then you and others like you for NOT believing the same as you...then that son..is ignorance...pure and utter ignorance.....its like IF you chose to be an NB..and said the exact same thing about those that DO believe are WEAKER than you..cuz they believe in a God that can't be proved..see what I am saying??

I follow God..I believe in God....but I sure as heck dont tink OR believe this makes me stronger than your avarage non believer (athiest)...it most certainly does NOT.....

I am not going to JUDGE an NB..just because I myself CHOSE to believe and follow God....thats plain stupid and ignorant to think along those lines......who am I to judge others???...the same can be said to those that actually DO believe they are much better and STRONGER (opposite of weak) than a non believer??
If I where to act like that and think like that ...showing my ignorance .............then that is a sign of a WEAKER person...not the NB..or anyone else...just ME ..IF I did think and act like that...but I sure DONT and WONT....but I do believe I am a stronger person than those that DO look down on NB's and I am stronger than those that look down to those that do believe in God.............WHY?---> Cuz I dont believe in showing such ignorance and believing in it...I dont think because i made a personal choice to believe in God, that I must be the stronger one...............................not a mission.....

IT CAN be changed for the better, but it wont. Only with Gods help can we make this world better. As long the world is under our control, it'll be a DUMP.

Life can only be joyful if it is lived in the land that God will give his people.



But they DO have weak faith

No exeller its not weak faith LOL ...an NB has NO faith in god..thats the whole point of being an NB...= NO faith...but that dont make them a weaker person than your avarage relgious person

I think weak faith is one of many reasons why people don't believe in God. If they don't want to believe Jesus existed, for example, then that's a sign of weak faith to me.

Think about me for a moment Exe.....do you think I have a "weak faith"?

I think you kind of do. But weak faith is one of many reasons, like I said above.

I have strong faith. In myself and the people I care about.

NO its not a sign of WEAK faith...its a SIGN of NO FAITH AT ALL...thats the whole poit of not believing

it makes sense for someone NOT to believe God doesnt exist when there is NO REAL PROOF...you dont get it...thats called weak..mind..understanding J/K

How can I have a weak faith if I state so strongly what I believe.

Remember the debate we had about animals and humans?
Remember the debates PA and I had just the other day?

Ok so why don't you people believe in God?

My reason is simply that there are other, less "out there" explanations for things. I'm of course open to the possibility of a god, but there will be no "proof" either way until after I'm dead. I'd rather not live for something that may or may not be there.

Sorry to spoil your day but God will only directly communicate with his people after the last judgement, or at least that's what Jews believe.

dont go there exeller...this question has been asked millions of times...

I guess you could ask...why do we believe

Don't apologize. My day is not spoiled.

Perhaps one might consider the answer to the question to be: other people do not have a reason or obligation to believe in your god. (informally speaking and relative to any Deific philosophy.)

Even if we make things better for future generations, it won't mean anything(to us) once we're dead. Because we won't know if we have actually changed anything. We live our entire lives having to worry that we may die any second, and not be able to complete our work. Especially if you havn't completed your goals and you're reaching old age. You don't get to see your loved ones grow up, you may not be able to see if they have a good life, or even be there to help them. Sure, there are alot of positives in the world, but in my opinion, the bad outweighs the good. This world is not a nice place, and all we get after countless years of stress and worry is nothing but death. And it's not relief, because nothingness can't be releif.... it's nothing. XD And it's definitley not relief to anyone else. It's just more stress on your loved ones, who have to realize that they'll never see you again, and you're existance is no more. They also get a glimpse of what will happen to them in the future, wich worries them. They then have to live their life trying to complete their goals before they too die and cease to exist.

I wish I could elaborate more on how I look at this entire idea, but I'm on a public computer so I'm rushing.




I don't see why it would make anyone weaker at all. All it means is that their opinion is different. Simple as that. Life is, in actuality, meaningless EDIT: if there is no afterlife, reincarnation or other type of purpose for us being here. Any meaning you give it is simply subjective.

I'd rather the idea of a real absolute purpose for us being here. It could be natural, it could be the Creator's plan, I don't care. I even like the idea of reincarnation. But the idea of us being here just to simply live, do what we want, then die and cease to exist wether our life was good or not, is not a good idea in my opinion.

I must strongly and wholeheartedly disagree, exe11er. They (who are "they" by the way - seems very generalized) may have weak Faith in the same God you do, but that's not to say that they don't have strong Faith in something else. Everyone has Faith. Some put this Faith in another deity. Some put Faith in themselves alone. Others give their Faith to their family (spouse, parents, siblings). Or others might put their Faith in money, power, etc. The fact is they have Faith in something. They only exception I can think of would be the NIhilist, who rejects absolutely everything, from GOd to breakfast cereal. But it can be argued taht Faith in absolutely nothing is a Faith unto itself also.

In short, everyone has Faith. Everyone uses Faith. We are essentially a Faith-driven species.

Regards, PA

I don't know if I believe in god ....I use to....im confused.

Considering how contentious and confused humans can become defending that which is taken on faith, perhaps you're better served, Dragonfly1047. If the believer represents the faith as the living embodiment of one that is faithful to the word, imagine the impression they make on their god that is watching.

Why are you confused dragon?

PA, why do I believe in God but others don't? We're all the same. So why do some choose to believe and some disbelieve? I mean the bible is the same to you and me. Everything is the same for you and me. So why do I believe and you disbelieve?

Anyway, like I said, weak faith is one of MANY reasons.

You still dont get it...WEAK faith is someone with little faith and is not sure ...

NO faith in God is = athiest..NB even

you do know this but you just post up to bump up your post count by the looks of it

God dang it no. I keep wanting to stop using God when I'm cursing, but damn it you guys push me.

Believe it or not, everyone is NOT the same. People have different ways of reasoning, different personalities, etc. I believe the point was that disbelieving in your god does not make someone of weak faith, because they usually have strong faith in something/someone other than god.

meh!! your only bumping posts now and seeking attention lol.


So what other reasons then besides weak faith that make some of us disbelieve.

Ok I've said my opinion. Now I'm done.

What IS your opinion?

You've been all over the place. "I believe in God and the bible", "Why don't you doubt the bible?", "the bible is full of fiction"

Are you arguing both sides fo a reason? Or are you just insecure?

I know this sounds rough, but frankly, I'm just curious.

I feel your pain, exe. BM sure hasn't been nice lately.
I believe that you, like me, are simply trying to participate in the conversation because it interests you -- not to bump up number of posts (who cares about that anyway?). Carry on, I find your views interesting.

I believe in the bible. I'm just saying that people shouldn't be afraid to admit they might be wrong. But no one does admit they might be wrong. So....




Hope that's not sarcasm