Why does it matter to anyone that anyone else chooses to believe in nothing!?


How is that any other one's business what others choose to believe!?

Do you think that the bible might be wrong?

JESUS; GOD

Nope, I don't participate in sarcasm. Never did like it... so I don't do it.

I was serious.

I do think your views are interesting.

I am going to admit, every religion might have things about it that are wrong.

Nobody's perfect.

Well except God, that is (for those that believe in Him).

Good man No one is perfect and no religion is not even atheists. Well done i am happy to have heard you say that. It's no big deal to admit that we could or something could be wrong it is not such a bad thing.

True. It's not bad to admit you have doubts if you have them, but it doesn't make you more enlightenned to doubt everything, it just makes you a doubter.

Well for Christians, it's part of our belief that we should spread the Good News to everyone that we can. We don't make it our business to know what others choose to believe (I don't see it that way anyway)... but we ARE concerned with making sure everyone has heard about Christ. Usually, other people tell us what THEY choose to believe in, whether we ask or not (like when we try to tell an atheist about Christ, he will surely be quick to tell you he's an atheist whether we wanted to know or not).

Although I do think there might be some Christians that will ask someone what their belief is -- but I think it's so they can carry on from there in their task of sharing the Good News. It's not mean to be a "nosy" kind of thing. I admit it can come across that way.

Well not in every case it doesnt...in some cases IAMS...it can make you stronger...

I don't mean this as an insult, but... Do you have trouble listening to other people? I was under the impression that at least some skeptics admitted that they might be wrong. I admit that I might be wrong, but you also might be wrong. As it stands, we won't know who's wrong and who's right until after we're dead (well, I guess we won't know anything if there's no afterlife. But there might be an afterlife. )

Future generations will know of a God, but we have forgotten him.

Your opinion and I respect it.

But how would I know? I'm not even a Jew and I'm telling you what they believe

If there is an after life and if you born in a different customs and religion...? Only if u remember this life it will be a problem for you!

Maybe we're looking at something from a different perspective. I do not question my beliefs, but I am also not blindly believing something just because someone told me to believe it. Here I go using an analogy to explain this BM, hope this one works for you:

I firmly believed that Chapter 1 of the Book of Genesis described the total of Creation occuring in 6 days. Had not doubt, after all God is God, He can do anything.

But then I read several articles and then several books (I will edit this post with the book titles once I find them, I have lots of books in boxes, so they are not readily available) which pointed out that in the original language the grammatical structures of the end of verse 1 and the beginning of verse 2, when used in other texts indicated a pause or gap in the narrative.

Although the pause was indicated by the grammar there was nothing that indicated the amount of time which was marked by that pause.

However, what is indicated by verse 2 is that some violent or disruptive action took place during this pause. Verse 2 says, "The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters." In the original language the words translated as "formless and void" actually depict earth in a chaotic state, and the question raised is why would a perfect, omnipotent God have created something imperfect (remember man was perfect also, until he chose to do evil)? So the theory states that verse 2 and onward describe God repairing earth the local (solar system? galaxy?) space around Earth then creating life on earth.

(I have no intention of presenting all of the explanations given for the creative action seen in verse 3 - 19 here after all better men than me needed whole books to do so.)

One theory posits that what occured between verse 1 and 2 included the rebellion of Satan and a war which began in Heaven and may have carried at least in part into creation, causing the chaos and destruction described in verse 2.

Although I now believe that possibly billions of years may have occured between verse 1 and 2 of chapter 1 of Genesis, I do not believe this explains how evolution could have occured in a Christian or biblical context, because the Earth was almost destroyed and God still created Adam and Eve.

I believe this gap may explain the age of the materials of the Earth, but not even stratification, since we have seen geologic stratification occur in areas affected by the Mt St. Helen's eruption in 1980 which VERY closely resembled stratification which geologists claim requires ages to occur.

So, although I did not doubt my belief of a full creation in 6 days, I was able to objectively read, research, and come to accept a different belief. It did not in any way, affect my belief in the veracity of the Bible.

You don't have to doubt what you believe in order to be able to objectively consider new or different evidence and if warranted modify your beliefs.

If God can do anything! why he didn't created in ONE day? Everything have a reason and a hidden truth...




Time is calculated by revolution of earth around sun. It differs for earth and jupitor and saturn. So this god should be sitting very far from earth his one day is our billion years. just a thought.

You are right, God could have created the universe immediately, afterall He is omnipotent, so He had a reason for taking the time He took. But, I also believe Genesis is talking about 6 days as human days.

I personaly think the Book of Genesis isn't true. Just something made up by man to explain how the universe was created. I do believe it was created, but I definitley don't believe anyone has figured out how yet.

Didn't science already explain how the universe was created?

Lol, no. They only have unproven(and probably unprovable for now) theories. Actualy, they don't know HOW at all. The only thing (to my knowledge) that they know is that it all seems to have come from one spot wich expanded because of the big bang. I don't look at theories as the explaination to anything untill it's become fact.

Although I admire science and appreciate the strides it has taken us I personally have more faith in the Creator than I do in the sciences. If it is not possible to know everything there is to know then I believe a foundation of faith is greater than a foundation of uncertainty to build my life upon.

Irish

I admit, I have a hard time being uncertain about things. =/

Science doens't give me good enough answers as to how or why this universe even exists, but that doesn't mean I'll believe in a certain religion to fill in the emptyness. I'll wait untill something is proven fact first. I do however, feel that a creator is just as plausible as a self creating universe. Everything seems to be a little too life friendly here.

Well guess what guys, the universe is still expanding. So if God really did create the the universe, it looks like he isn't done yet cuz the universe continues to expand

No reason to believe why the creator wouldn't let the universe expand. I do not define the creator so hopefuly you don't think I'm speaking of the Christian God, because I'm not.

I was. But maybe the God I'm talking about created what lead to the big bang. Who knows.

Just because God has the ability doesn't mean that's how it's going to get done.

For example, I could wolf down my supper in 3 minutes flat but I don't.

Yes, everything has a reason.

That's the worst reason I've ever heard >>

I didn't give a reason.

I was only agreeing that there ARE reasons. WE just don't know what those reasons are.

And the population of people on earth continues to expand too. I think it all fits into God's big plan... whatever that is.

Wich God are you speaking of? Christian?

I'm not sure I totally understand what you're saying here. Though I doubt my questioning of religion would be restricted to this life. I had no influences but my own logic on the matter. The only way someone, in any hypothetical life, could get me to believe in a religion, is if they forced it onto me from early childhood (assuming my ability to reason develops as quickly in that hypothetical life as it does in this life.)

(We're talking about reincarnation here, right?)

Absolutely! I'm a Christian, so I don't acknowledge any other gods.

May I ask what convinced you that your God exists? What convinced you that what is written in the bible is true?

Well it isn't any ONE THING that I could pinpoint it to. It's a large number of different things. I'd have to take time to compile a short list and get back to you on this one, if you want a few specifics.

Sure, why not.

zero

All of the links everybody posted for you and you still don't understand the definition of "theory" and just what it takes for an idea to become a theory.

The great advantage of the scientific method is that it is unprejudiced: one does not have to believe a given researcher, one can redo the experiment and determine whether his/her results are true or false. The conclusions will hold irrespective of the state of mind, or the religious persuasion, or the state of consciousness of the investigator and/or the subject of the investigation. Faith, defined as belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence, does not determine whether a scientific theory is adopted or discarded.

A theory is accepted not based on the prestige or convincing powers of the proponent, but on the results obtained through observations and/or experiments which anyone can reproduce: the results obtained using the scientific method are repeatable. In fact, most experiments and observations are repeated many times (certain experiments are not repeated independently but are repeated as parts of other experiments). If the original claims are not verified the origin of such discrepancies is hunted down and exhaustively studied.

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Gods plan is for us to meet with aliens and live happily ever after, tra la la la la, that wasn't sarcasm

Alright. I'll PM a short list to you as soon as I get a chance.

If you think we need a God I suggest you read "The Devil's Apocrypha" by John A. De Vito if your a devout christian stay away from it.

Stay away so that what happens? To make you happy? No thanks. Religion has only brought comfort and happiness into my life. I'm not going to leave it just because people like you think it's bad.

Exe atleast make the effort to read someones post carefully before quickly responding to have your say. What Lucifuge was saying is that if you are a devote christian stay away from the book The devil's Apocrypha because it might offend and upset you. Sheesh I like you exe but sometimes i just want to........

exe11er, you need to stop taking what they teach you as science as the absolute truth. There is a theory, based on some observations which seem to indicate the universe is expanding. There is NO WAY to prove that currently. Although the evidence seems very strong in support of this theory. You seem to be using this evidence as an indication we should be doubting our certainty in God. That part I don't understand. Would you elaborate, plase?

There is not a man alive can prove how big the universe is..or if it is STILL expanding...there is no way of telling...END OFF!!

zandore, one of the things most Evolutionists fail to point out regarding the scientific method and ORIGINS theories (such as the Big Bang, Creationism, Evolution, etc.) is that these theories are "special" because there is no way for them to meet many of the requirements of the scientific method.

The scientific method works great with PRACTICAL science. You know like cold fusion, laser applications, maximum computer chip speeds, etc.

So, Zero is right. All any ORIGINS scientist has is unproven, unprovable theories.

Perhaps Exe11er's defense was a Freudian slip!
Otherwise How would a Baha'i imagine this sentence that gives a warning to christians, pertained to themselves !?

Bahaullah was supposedly christ reincarnated so, we have a close connection, though some of our teachings are kind of different.

There are so many different opinions on "god" I don't know which one to believe.

You can have your OWN opinion.

I don't understand what a theory is because my opinion differs from you? What the hell. O_o

There's nothing wrong with not wanting to accept a theory as the final explaintion for something. Because that's exactly what I ment. I think you're a little TOO protective of your little scientific beliefs.