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=Jak=
Here I am not talking about any religion or any religious GOD... everyone have their own beleif and their own GOD... my question is why we need a GOD... What are the problem if GOD exist in our beleif.. what will be our problem if he don't exist in our beleif?

Imaginary Friend
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"All men are born with a nose and ten fingers, but no one was born with a knowledge of God. " Voltaire

I think goddess/god was born and is given life in the minds of humanity. It's hard wired, sort of speak, into us. Believing all that is awesome in the world at large, because we are allegedly the most intelligent species, has an explanation we can apply as if we truly know what we're talking about.
And so we contrive a power behind it all, one giant brush stroke of cause, called god. And then we flesh it out so that, of all things "it" creates, "we" are special. And so we create constructs within our existence that include proof of that, by writing books called bibles, and anointing those like us only different that are entrusted as the emissaries to the power(s), that we title as "reverend" or "clergy".

And all the while there are those that say the opposite of god is the devil, that dual nature and ally of tricks and evils, which explains the bad things we witness happening in life, for which we have no real explanation for, save that, which is also contrived by us and fleshed out as; satan, lucifer, evil, the tempster, etc...
And then we put them at odds, our god and devils, which are in conflict to claim us, that brought them to life in the first place. And on we live, and preach, and pray and fear for our souls, which we imagine are also there because someone thought of it too. And we hope to go to heaven, Valhalla, summer land, or any other named paradise after life, which we aspire too because that was the final chapter in closing out the book of comfort contrived by mortal minds fraught with insecurities at the thought of being alone, when in fact all we had need to do was look around and realize that was never true, and instead was rendered to make us feel comfort in being superior because we were created by god to be so. And all the time, it's all in our mind and when we die, that quite literally no longer matters.

But it comforts while alive, to think ourselves special. And it gives some something to do, seeking to invest their lifetime energy in living and working so that everyone else that thinks on god, thinks as they do, and therein is the origin of missionaries, and those that would proselytize the creative imaginings of what is really the self-delusion of a lonely flesh.
eden grange
QUOTE(j4jak @ May 4 2006, 01:21 PM) [snapback]1174121[/snapback]

Here I am not talking about any religion or any religious GOD... everyone have their own beleif and their own GOD... my question is why we need a GOD... What are the problem if GOD exist in our beleif.. what will be our problem if he don't exist in our beleif?



I don't agree that everyone has their own belief and God, I haven't got either.
artymoon
Many people view God as I do...a motivational tool, not a crutch. When connected with 'God' the individual can achieve what they desire. Obviously it takes determination and persistence to achieve one's goals, but letting go occassionally and not trying to control every aspect of your life can be rewarding. Follow what the universe/God presents to you, use your instincts. Some can call this positive thought, power of suggestion, etc....whatever brings forth positive results in your life and the lives of people you connect with is what matters.
=Jak=
QUOTE(eden grange @ May 4 2006, 06:37 PM) [snapback]1174163[/snapback]

I don't agree that everyone has their own belief and God, I haven't got either.


if you are not a beleiver of GOD and no belief in your own theory.. then i am really intrested to know... what type of thought you have about supernatural.. or what actually you have in your thought....
=Jak=
QUOTE(Imaginary Friend @ May 4 2006, 06:31 PM) [snapback]1174153[/snapback]

but no one was born with a knowledge of God. " Voltaire


I agree no one has the knowledge to say anything about supernatural... but my question is about your belief in GOD.. or belief in your own theory... whether we need this beleif or not?

eden grange
QUOTE(j4jak @ May 4 2006, 03:05 PM) [snapback]1174206[/snapback]

if you are not a beleiver of GOD and no belief in your own theory.. then i am really intrested to know... what type of thought you have about supernatural.. or what actually you have in your thought....



I have no theory at all i believe u live, die, rot end off
=Jak=
QUOTE(eden grange @ May 4 2006, 07:56 PM) [snapback]1174229[/snapback]

I have no theory at all i believe u live, die, rot end off


I am suprised... how you posted 86 in this unexplained mysteries? without a thought of belief in anything!
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(eden grange @ May 4 2006, 02:07 PM) [snapback]1174163[/snapback]

I don't agree that everyone has their own belief and God, I haven't got either.

Yes everyone (well most) DO have their own belief and GOD meaning their OWN personal version of GOD
eden grange
QUOTE(j4jak @ May 4 2006, 04:12 PM) [snapback]1174285[/snapback]

I am suprised... how you posted 86 in this unexplained mysteries? without a thought of belief in anything!



I was referring to having no belief in life after death i think there is nothing afterwards at all.
Reincarnated
yet again, another person who types god in all caps like this; GOD. what is wrong with these people and why are they doing it?
science101
Where do I begin?

AtlantisRises
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I don't agree that everyone has their own belief and God, I haven't got either.



i also do not believe in god. But not believing in itself is a belief. Their is no real proof either way and the existence of proof would negate the idea of faith.

As to the original question 'why do we need god' I don't believe we do. Yes there are a range of psychological benifits that arise from believing we are not alone. Similar to the belief of the school boy that his daddy will help him through any problems.

However the need for a belief in god no longer exists as it did long ago when peoples understanding of the physical world was less complete then it is today.

Just my two cents
vladdimpailer
i have no belief in a god but i do have a belief in why belief in god exists at all.
Reincarnated
what is your purpose for typing god and jesus in all caps?
Kaknelson
Why do we need a God?

We don't, God needs a Us.

Everyday in this material world, our Ego and selfishness desires multipy, and we forget the things that are important most to us. The non material things. We get further and further from this unity with all human race, the idea of Oneness, or God, lessens. IMO
Heebrow
First it all depends on one's definition of God.

there is no problem with either believing in God or not. The simplest way of looking at it is that if one does have belief in a individualized force pretaining to ones beliefs then that is simply how that person sees the universe, governed by an almighty force.

However a disbelief in a kind of individualy created universe is the disregard for HOW everything is as is, or is comming to be. This is either an egotistical, contradictory or on the other hand self-persuaded outlook on life. It just means if you believe in god and an afterlife than you depend on something to give you reason. If your completely independent then you could move on in life in a sort of greedy manner and disregard for the convenience of life.

A belief in God is an individualistic thing, if one relys in preference to the company of something even if it is make-belief, that somehow gives one the comforting presence to at least be not afraid of being alone.

One who does not care for the idea of there being a 'formidable' Individual force that governs the rules of physics means that everything that happens, happens just because is a more down to earth obvious nature. It could mean that you dont understand the true definition of the word 'God' in that even if it does not exsist our outcome will always remain the same

=Jak=
QUOTE(AtlantisRises @ May 5 2006, 05:42 AM) [snapback]1174950[/snapback]

i also do not believe in god. But not believing in itself is a belief. Their is no real proof either way and the existence of proof would negate the idea of faith.

As to the original question 'why do we need god' I don't believe we do. Yes there are a range of psychological benifits that arise from believing we are not alone. Similar to the belief of the school boy that his daddy will help him through any problems.

However the need for a belief in god no longer exists as it did long ago when peoples understanding of the physical world was less complete then it is today.

Just my two cents


thumbsup.gif Yes.. whoever don't want a belief of god.. can u people explain.. that without a ego we can lead a happy and loving life.. without any belief? In that case whatever we do.. we claim it is done by us.. freewill.. i am sure here ego will hit us..
=Jak=
QUOTE(Reincarnated @ May 5 2006, 08:32 AM) [snapback]1175207[/snapback]

what is your purpose for typing god and jesus in all caps?

these group of christian crusaders that have been posting recently are pissing me off with putting god and jesus in caps everytime they post. who are these people and what's their real purpose for being here and typing those words in caps? it's like they are from some church trying to drill religion onto us by typing like this... you most love GOD you must love JESUS when you die and get to HEAVEN, you will be sorry.....creepy, it needs to stop. these people need to get real.



May be our or others belief is more in that... thats why caps.. but why you have to worry so much about that? !!
kaproleveh
I think "most" people need to believe in a God in order to answer the questions they are afraid-of or unable to understand on their own. Just look at the early "Gods"... and I meant that to be plural, as pre-civiliation worshipped multiple Gods, such as the sky, sun, earth..etc. because they didn't have any knowledge of the sciences.

As we (humans) progressed in our understanding of the world around us, our gods began to disappear... until today we have a "God" who is suppose to be a creator and judge of all. I think religion is just a vestage of power and control over the masses... which is evident by their rules and rituals. And as people begin to "think" more and learn more, I believe there will be a great exodus from religion to just common understanding...

So, if you can find solice in evolution and a vast universe, and that we live and die with little purpose other than that's how life works... then you do not need a God in order to lead a happy and fulfilling life.
=Jak=
QUOTE(kaproleveh @ May 5 2006, 09:05 PM) [snapback]1175785[/snapback]

I think "most" people need to believe in a God in order to answer the questions they are afraid-of or unable to understand on their own. Just look at the early "Gods"... and I meant that to be plural, as pre-civiliation worshipped multiple Gods, such as the sky, sun, earth..etc. because they didn't have any knowledge of the sciences.

So, if you can find solice in evolution and a vast universe, and that we live and die with little purpose other than that's how life works... then you do not need a God in order to lead a happy and fulfilling life.


original.gif anyone able to imagine.. how we may lead life without a thought of GOD.. after reading all post... i feel.. if we need to live our life without a belief of god.. it's like a movie without hero.. usually hero will shown great in screen.. but in reality there will be a dupe who doing the risk short.. who is unkown.. just like that... because of our lack of understanding whatever happen in our life... we beleive that is done by GOD or supernatural.. because it is easy to explain in term of GOD.. no one can question further.. easy way to skip that question..

I have seen few movies without a hero.. still movie is nice and intresting.. but not that intresting than with a hero..
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(Kaknelson @ May 5 2006, 04:15 AM) [snapback]1175220[/snapback]

Why do we need a God?

We don't, God needs a Us.


God doesnt need us...he has us..we need him..if we didnt have him we wouldnt be here
Tim from Hong Kong
Sorry if my english is not good enough for yall to understand
First, i agreed what artymoon has brought out "Many people view God as I do...a motivational tool, not a crutch."
No offense, god is a tool for people when they are confused and for facing problems, while some people would disagreed.
I believe that god is not about religious, but its all about life, of HUMAN BEINGS
but i truely believe that human can never be the cleverest organism in the universe or even outside so-called "universe". Just like ant, they live their whole life at a corner of a house and they think the house as the "universe", just like us.
Though no one are qualified to prove the existance of god, but i believe god doesnt exist, or it was a group of "scientist" create the world, as people and leonardo da vinci brought out that "jesus" has a marriage.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(j4jak @ May 5 2006, 11:03 AM) [snapback]1175453[/snapback]

May be our or others belief is more in that... thats why caps.. but why you have to worry so much about that? !!

No lol you dont understand...see why people type odd words in caps when preaching or anything...its like YELLING the words out wit forse yes.gif .... So when others preach a li and then type out God like GOD and jesus like JESUS...thats their way of raising their vioces while preaching...its a tad on the arrogant side when you imagine someone preaching and yelling....do you get my drif? original.gif

This of it this way...see if you can spot the arrogance in my last sentence..

NOW do YOU understand me, get my DRIFT?? DO YOU??<--right there pure arrogance

grin2.gif not nice IS IT? LOL
Chokmah
to me, religions seem to be just an excuse for man to worship himself.
Imaginary Friend
grin2.gif I love how you see it Leliel. original.gif
eden grange
QUOTE(kaproleveh @ May 5 2006, 04:35 PM) [snapback]1175785[/snapback]

I think "most" people need to believe in a God in order to answer the questions they are afraid-of or unable to understand on their own. Just look at the early "Gods"... and I meant that to be plural, as pre-civiliation worshipped multiple Gods, such as the sky, sun, earth..etc. because they didn't have any knowledge of the sciences.

As we (humans) progressed in our understanding of the world around us, our gods began to disappear... until today we have a "God" who is suppose to be a creator and judge of all. I think religion is just a vestage of power and control over the masses... which is evident by their rules and rituals. And as people begin to "think" more and learn more, I believe there will be a great exodus from religion to just common understanding...

So, if you can find solice in evolution and a vast universe, and that we live and die with little purpose other than that's how life works... then you do not need a God in order to lead a happy and fulfilling life.

zandore
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ May 5 2006, 07:16 PM) [snapback]1176356[/snapback]
God doesnt need us...he has us..we need him..if we didnt have him we wouldnt be here
Hey BM I have asked this of other believers so I got to ask you....What of all the other Gods and Goddesses do they also need us?

Welcome to Godchecker - your Guide to the Gods

We have more Gods than you can shake a stick at. Godchecker's Mythology Encyclopedia currently features over 2,850 deities.

Browse the pantheons of the world, explore ancient myths, and discover Gods of everything from Fertility to Fluff with the fully searchable Holy Database Of All Known Gods.


godchecker.com


EDIT: A larger list: lowchensaustralia.com
Chokmah
QUOTE(zandore @ May 6 2006, 02:52 PM) [snapback]1176841[/snapback]

Hey BM I have asked this of other believers so I got to ask you....What of all the other Gods and Goddesses do they also need us?

Welcome to Godchecker - your Guide to the Gods

We have more Gods than you can shake a stick at. Godchecker's Mythology Encyclopedia currently features over 2,850 deities.

Browse the pantheons of the world, explore ancient myths, and discover Gods of everything from Fertility to Fluff with the fully searchable Holy Database Of All Known Gods.


godchecker.com
EDIT: A larger list: lowchensaustralia.com


those links were a good (quick) read, specially the godchecker link.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(zandore @ May 6 2006, 02:52 PM) [snapback]1176841[/snapback]

Hey BM I have asked this of other believers so I got to ask you....What of all the other Gods and Goddesses do they also need us?


You just done quoting my post where I had said clearly that God doesnt need us...and now you are asking me whaty other Gods need us....ummm okaaayy...NONE of them need us... blink.gif
manapa99
I have no need for god, as I don't believe in god....
In the past religion was a useful tool for social and political unity, it has undeniable helped humanity, but then again it has also harmed humanity very much...
There is no real need for god, it's hold though on most people has persisted and many from birth are brought up to think that they do need a god, or that there is more after we are done with our time here.
I think humanity as a whole would be so much better if everyone quit fighting of these imaginary things and took a second and realized this is all we have. The time here in our lives now is all there is and we need to make the most out of it. I think many people would see the stupidity in fighting for causes that don't amount to anything but violence and repression. To really enjoy life and understand others and their pursuit to enjoy their own life we have to stop living to die and start living to love each other and to help one another make the most we can out of the little we have....
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(manapa99 @ May 6 2006, 06:29 PM) [snapback]1177470[/snapback]

I have no need for god, as I don't believe in god....
In the past religion was a useful tool for social and political unity, it has undeniable helped humanity, but then again it has also harmed humanity very much...
There is no real need for god, it's hold though on most people has persisted and many from birth are brought up to think that they do need a god, or that there is more after we are done with our time here.
I think humanity as a whole would be so much better if everyone quit fighting of these imaginary things and took a second and realized this is all we have. The time here in our lives now is all there is and we need to make the most out of it. I think many people would see the stupidity in fighting for causes that don't amount to anything but violence and repression. To really enjoy life and understand others and their pursuit to enjoy their own life we have to stop living to die and start living to love each other and to help one another make the most we can out of the little we have....

Manapa very well put so much time is wasted on rhetoric and what timewe have is now so true and we have urgent issues that could use humanitys attention far more then if one has faith or not or if some book with an ark carried animals or didn't or if jesus was a virgin or wasn't lol...If it can somehow help the ecosystem or the health care system or the intolerance or the racism or a refusal to allow a gay couple to marry or child slave labor in third world countrys or corporate abuse on the majority of the population great
but if not those are just some of the things that need our attention NOW...taht matter NOW.... great post manapa....You are the new american dream (((hugs))))
manapa99
lol i'm blushing

i think if most people in the world just realized how presious this little amount of time we have really is and how if we work togeather we can make the most out of it them all of those things wouldn't be here...
zandore
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ May 6 2006, 06:05 PM) [snapback]1177318[/snapback]

You just done quoting my post where I had said clearly that God doesnt need us...and now you are asking me whaty other Gods need us....ummm okaaayy...NONE of them need us... blink.gif
OK let me rephrase that....why do we need all of these Gods/Goddesses.
Bosanchero
so we can have someone to blame for everything bad that happens, and someone to mention nad pray to every time we FAK up,

isnt it funny how everyone remembers god when something terible is happening or is about to
zandore
Not all believe in a God.

It is also funny when something good happens they credit God.....
theoric
QUOTE(manapa99 @ May 6 2006, 06:29 PM) [snapback]1177470[/snapback]

I have no need for god, as I don't believe in god....
In the past religion was a useful tool for social and political unity, it has undeniable helped humanity, but then again it has also harmed humanity very much...
There is no real need for god, it's hold though on most people has persisted and many from birth are brought up to think that they do need a god, or that there is more after we are done with our time here.

thumbsup.gif
QUOTE

I think humanity as a whole would be so much better if everyone quit fighting of these imaginary things and took a second and realized this is all we have. The time here in our lives now is all there is and we need to make the most out of it. I think many people would see the stupidity in fighting for causes that don't amount to anything but violence and repression. To really enjoy life and understand others and their pursuit to enjoy their own life we have to stop living to die and start living to love each other and to help one another make the most we can out of the little we have....

if man did not fight for imaginary things, he would fight for "real" things. He does that now quite readily. Fight for rank, fight for privilage, fight for nation. Man has still not evolved enough to cease seeking to establish his rank in the pack.

Some day, humanity may well progress beyond where it is now, but at such a juncture the species may be sufficiently different to be called something other than human.
Chokmah
QUOTE(Imaginary Friend @ May 6 2006, 02:26 PM) [snapback]1176822[/snapback]

grin2.gif I love how you see it Leliel. original.gif


thumbsup.gif

mankind loves itself to much yes.gif
Kaknelson
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ May 6 2006, 03:05 PM) [snapback]1177318[/snapback]

You just done quoting my post where I had said clearly that God doesnt need us...and now you are asking me whaty other Gods need us....ummm okaaayy...NONE of them need us... blink.gif



All i ment is taht IMO god needs a us more than ever. I believe the accumulation of evil is now greater than ever in the world. More non-believers, more athiests than ever, more world destruction. This is not to say that athiests are evil in any way, all im saying is that faith is a God or Oneness is shrinking.
dezavala
well, there are 2 billion chinese now.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(Kaknelson @ May 8 2006, 07:46 AM) [snapback]1179278[/snapback]

All i ment is taht IMO god needs a us more than ever. I believe the accumulation of evil is now greater than ever in the world. More non-believers, more athiests than ever, more world destruction. This is not to say that athiests are evil in any way, all im saying is that faith is a God or Oneness is shrinking.

Ummm I was talking to Zandore it was Zandore that quoted my post....put your glasses on LOL grin2.gif and scroll back LOL


ZANDORE - No we dont need them ...I never said we did in the 1st place blink.gif
Kaknelson
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ May 8 2006, 03:05 AM) [snapback]1179351[/snapback]

Ummm I was talking to Zandore it was Zandore that quoted my post....put your glasses on LOL grin2.gif and scroll back LOL
ZANDORE - No we dont need them ...I never said we did in the 1st place blink.gif


Actually you did beckysmomma.

QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ May 5 2006, 04:16 PM) [snapback]1176356[/snapback]

God doesnt need us...he has us..we need him..if we didnt have him we wouldnt be here


I accidently quoted the wrong one, im tired. You did comment on my thoughts however. That is where my reply came from. My bad. geek.gif
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(Kaknelson @ May 8 2006, 11:17 AM) [snapback]1179357[/snapback]

Actually you did beckysmomma.
I accidently quoted the wrong one, im tired. You did comment on my thoughts however. That is where my reply came from. My bad. geek.gif

HA HA you did quote me from the wrong post you nit wit tongue.gif LOL I had quoted you and my reply was God doesnt need us...we NEED God<--thats what I said grin2.gif


zandore
QUOTE(zandore @ May 6 2006, 09:52 AM) [snapback]1176841[/snapback]
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ May 5 2006, 07:16 PM) [snapback]1176356[/snapback]

God doesnt need us...he has us..we need him..if we didnt have him we wouldnt be here

Hey BM I have asked this of other believers so I got to ask you....What of all the other Gods and Goddesses do they also need us?

Welcome to Godchecker - your Guide to the Gods

We have more Gods than you can shake a stick at. Godchecker's Mythology Encyclopedia currently features over 2,850 deities.

Browse the pantheons of the world, explore ancient myths, and discover Gods of everything from Fertility to Fluff with the fully searchable Holy Database Of All Known Gods.


godchecker.com
EDIT: A larger list: lowchensaustralia.com
This is where it all started off from.

The rephrased question is "Do we also need all of these other Gods/Goddesses?
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE(zandore @ May 8 2006, 04:06 PM) [snapback]1179623[/snapback]

Hey BM I have asked this of other believers so I got to ask you....What of all the other Gods and Goddesses do they also need us?

Welcome to Godchecker - your Guide to the Gods

We have more Gods than you can shake a stick at. Godchecker's Mythology Encyclopedia currently features over 2,850 deities.

Browse the pantheons of the world, explore ancient myths, and discover Gods of everything from Fertility to Fluff with the fully searchable Holy Database Of All Known Gods.


godchecker.com
EDIT: A larger list: lowchensaustralia.comThis is where it all started off from.

The rephrased question is "Do we also need all of these other Gods/Goddesses?


For the LAST time GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRr NO!! blink.gif
=Jak=
QUOTE(Tim from Hong Kong @ May 6 2006, 07:10 AM) [snapback]1176471[/snapback]

Sorry if my english is not good enough for yall to understand

but i truely believe that human can never be the cleverest organism in the universe or even outside so-called "universe". Just like ant, they live their whole life at a corner of a house and they think the house as the "universe", just like us.



thumbsup.gif Your example explained most of the thing.. which you thought to express...
=Jak=
QUOTE(Kaknelson @ May 8 2006, 12:16 PM) [snapback]1179278[/snapback]

All i ment is taht IMO god needs a us more than ever. I believe the accumulation of evil is now greater than ever in the world. More non-believers, more athiests than ever, more world destruction. This is not to say that athiests are evil in any way, all im saying is that faith is a God or Oneness is shrinking.


yes.. without us God is nothing.. without his beleif we are nothing... but my beleif is God should be Everywhere like atom or the end Nothing. In that case you can't say anything as good or evil.
zandore
QUOTE(Beckys_Mom @ May 8 2006, 11:19 AM) [snapback]1179647[/snapback]

For the LAST time GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRr NO!! blink.gif

Then what makes the one so special that the other Gods do not count? All are valid.
Tangerine Sheri
QUOTE(zandore @ May 8 2006, 12:05 PM) [snapback]1179849[/snapback]

Then what makes the one so special that the other Gods do not count? All are valid.

Ger and Zan berri is everything okay???lol Zandore are you sure you want to take on this Berri???she loves a good scrap...hello boxing background lol....... w00t.gif
zandore
QUOTE(Sheri berri @ May 8 2006, 03:12 PM) [snapback]1179856[/snapback]

Ger and Zan berri is everything okay???lol Zandore are you sure you want to take on this Berri???she loves a good scrap...hello boxing background lol....... w00t.gif
No I am not sure unsure.gif
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