I doubt many if any of the people that frequent this site are bible thumpers. However, I still want your opinions on the rapture. According to the bible all nations will attack israel and Jesus will come down with His army to defend Israel. Does this mean that all nations that are majority Christian are automatically Israel's allies? Isn't the USA referred to as the great defender of Israel? I'm drunk and on a rant....feedback please.

oh yeah, visit this: http://www.godonthe.net/evidence/rapture.htm

It you study as many religions as you can, you will notice that they all have their own "Rapture" which are shockingly similar (for good reason)...so I have no doubt in my mind that it is very much real and IMO it's upon us as of now.....
Most refer to the Rapture coming in 2012....apparently three things will happen at the same time....!.Pole Shift..2..World war 3..(some say it's 4) and something else that is refered to, something soo bad that we couldn't comprehend....and they all say it..

I thought that was a song. Anyway, I already have the doom hurricane in New York in a few days so tell me what the rapture is like if you die. Just asking though.

I think you're thinking of the Fatima thing.

There is no rapture...it isn't biblical...you shouldn't get drunk and rant....

All bases covered!

WTF ? This must be one of the craziest things I've read on this site to date It sounds much like a fairy tale.

The rapture is totally in the bible. the whole Jesus taking his christians to heaven while everyone else has to deal with the Tribulation. But anyway, am I right in assuming that every Christian nation is an alley of Israel? I thnk so...

The Bible say's that the end will be near when you can't tell the sexes or the seasons.....
look around folks...I say it's near..and it wouldn't be a bad I dea to think about preperation. Thats just my Opinion

Greetings,

Some of you are more correct than you realize.

The Rapture, to all cultures, is simply the quick death of billions during a geological occurance that will occur in 2012 and will be larger than most can comprehend.

As an author and researcher, I have uncovered a great deal on this subject, and in the next few weeks I will be sharing more of it on this site.

For those who want to be taken up by the rapture they should do nothing, get to the coasts.

For those who want to ride this out, the sooner they get their own little farm, off the grid and far from cities, the longer they have to prepare.

Percivale

You don't even know what you are talking about....There is no 'rapture' in the Bible. Anyone who differs in this opinion...show me!

....this should be in the Spiritual vs Skeptics section...

Did any of you catch the movie with Mimi Rogers called "The Rapture"? It was a reference to the Rapture in the bible. I suggest to go rent it if you find it, it was interesting.

This might Help..http://www.tftw.org/Tracts/Bible_rapture.html

And one's Opinion does not change History and "Alternative History" you might say....

Correct thread..

The Rapture is an event in certain systems of Christian eschatology ( the study of the end times) whereby it is believed that all Christians will be taken from Earth by God into Heaven. Although almost all forms of Christianity believe that those who are "saved" will enter Heaven, the term "rapture" is usually applied specifically to the belief that Christians will be taken into heaven prior to the second coming of Christ, and there will be a period of time where non-Christians will still be left on earth before Christ arrives to set up his earthly kingdom.

I am a bible thumper and proud to be. I suggest simply reading the book of revelations and seeing for yourself what it says.

Why is it this in the 'Ancient Mysteries and Alternative History' forum? It shoudl have been posted in the "Spirituality" forum.

I can't say I believe in the such as thing as the Rapture. Jesus lifting the faithful out of harm's way? Since when does God give out freebies?

Every single person in the bible who has ever gotten anything good from God has had to go to Hell and back (in Jesus's case, literally), before they got their reward. I can't see God changing his M.O. now.

does revelations have to do with the rapture?

yeah the mimi rogers film was good- ive always known of the rapture i always took it as only a matter of when its coming

Great Blondie song to.

This is in the wrong forum for a start considering that the rapture isn't an ancient mystery seeing as it hasn't taken place, although I sincerely doubt it ever will.

How many seasons do they have close to the equator?? err right none really... yet another example of the *universal word of the bible* actually only refering to Northern Latitiudes..

And if the poles do swap round WW3 is going to be fought with little more than pistols...

I doubt many if any of the people that frequent this site are bible thumpers. However, I still want your opinions on the rapture. According to the bible all nations will attack israel and Jesus will come down with His army to defend Israel.

Uh, dude, that isn't in the Bible at all. Anywhere. You're mixing a ton of very different events together.

According to the scripture, the rapture only occurs as God's final judgement falls upon the earth, which involves total it's destruction. The Christians are left on the planet to be persecuted and judged with everyone else, until the final curtain falls, in which any Christian left alive will be caught up.

You're right, God doesn't hand out freebies. He isn't a slot machine which will spit out a miracle if the lever is pulled own enough times. Alot of Christians believe in a "pre-trubulation" rapture, but I personally believe this is wishful thinking. The Bible states quite clearly that we will still be here when all hell literally breaks loose. However, it also says that no one will know the hour or the day of Christ's return, so all those doomsday preachers out there saying when the world will end are really just con men. Christians aren't perfect.

This is in the wrong forum for a start considering that the rapture isn't an ancient mystery seeing as it hasn't taken place, although I sincerely doubt it ever will.

By that logic, because man has never been to mars, I doubt he ever will. Or, back track 300 years, because man has never flown, I doubt he ever will.

Arent you supposed to be dead in order for you to go to heaven ???
and Dont you GO TO HEAVEN when you die if you are true beliver ???
so maybe what they mean by TAKING YOU OUT OF HARMS WAY they mean you gonn die and go to heaven lol, just an opinion

Invaluble words of wisdom.

Oh, yeah. Moved to the correct forum

Don't worry about a rapture. The Bible states that there must be a resurrection of the righteous before we are taken up to heaven to MEET Jesus in the SKY. This meaning that he is already come at this point.

1 Thessalonians 4:13 But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord WILL BY NO MEANS preced thos who are asleep.
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ WILL RISE FIRST.

So, thus we who are God's chosen are the children of Israel. For God gave Jacob a new name that his offspring should be called by. This new name was because these had a personal connection with God himself. They lost that connection when they rejected Jesus. The only way that the offspring of Jacob can return to the children of Israel is if they are once again faithful unto the LORD God. For the children of Israel are the offspring of the faithful and obedient to God.

The Newness of the Doctrine
It may come as a surprise to many Christians, but the doctrine of the Rapture is not mentioned in any Christian writings, of which we have knowledge, until after the year 1830 A.D. Whether the early writers were Greek or Latin, Armenian or Coptic, Syrian or Ethiopian, English or German, orthodox or heretic, no one mentioned a syllable about it. Of course, those who feel the origin of the teaching is in the Bible would say that it only ceased being taught (for some unknown reason) at the close of the apostolic age only to reappear in 1830 A.D. But if the doctrine were so clearly stated in Scripture, it seems incredible that no one should have referred to it before the 19th century. This does not necessarily show that the teaching is wrong, but it does mean that thousands of eminent scholars who lived over a span of seventeen centuries (including some of the most astute of the "Christian Fathers" and those of the Reformation and post-Reformation periods) must be considered as prophetic dunces for not having understood so fundamental a teaching. We are not denigrating the doctrine in mentioning these historical facts. That is not our intention. But we do feel that the Foundation should show the historical problems associated with the teaching. This lapse of seventeen centuries when no one mentioned anything about it must be a serious obstacle to its reliability.

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where does it say that about the sexes? I'm not disagreeing with you. I would like to know for further research.

Right, the rapture theory compliments the political mingling with the Israelites, whom they still think are God's chosen. They fail to see that we are in the times of the Gentiles. Some have even gone far enough to say that when the 10 tribes were exiled from the Northern Kingdom called Israel or Ephraim, that they mingled with the Gentiles and thus became indistiguishable. Then that means that we are more likely to have Israelite blood in us than we are to have native blood in us. Doesn't that mean that we, as Gentiles, are now possibly the children of Israel? The rapture created an eschalatoligcal-political perspective in which many thought that returning the Israelites to their former land would make the land holy once more. But if you recall, it isn't the people that make anything holy, it is God himself who is holy. Thus, if God departed that land and desolated it, how can we make it any more holy? This was just a big misinterpretation of the Scriptures and then turned into a biased view point. They thought that this would cause the Lord to return. Indeed it will, but not in the manner they are seeing. Let me quote a verse that applies to our time from the book of Revelation.

Revelation 16: 12 Then the sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, so that the way of the kings from the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw threee unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 "Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame."
16 And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, Armageddon.


Did you notice that since Napoleon tried to conquer Russia, the spirit of the imperial Roman Empire has come up, seeking to expand its government to other countries? The Cold War brought up even more spirit of imperialism, and then 9-11 dealt the final blow. Now we are in the middle east overthrowing kings and setting up new governments there, that will ofcourse be U.N. friendly. The conflict between evolution and religion comes from the mouth of the dragon, there are come many spirits that seek to turn people from God. And the spirit from the pope is the ecumenical influence that relates in one way or another to politics. This all leading the world to choose between God or satan. This is the battle of Armageddon, its not what many think, and thus is the reason why Jesus says, "Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame."

So, no, Scripture does NOT support a rapture theory other than the one at Jesus's return.

The rapture does not mean that the world will end necessarily, it is called the "end of days" for a reason. All it means is that the world will change, meaning the world as it is will not continue. You can take that as good or bad depending on your perspective of the world.

Actually, I think all Christians who believe in the Rapture look at it this way....

...so, let's look at it that way for a second...let's see, Jesus was unmercifully crucified, every single apostle was murdered in a violent way, down through the ages Christians have been persecuted and murdered...but when the going gets tough...the bunch who sings hymns in churches with A/C and comfy pews get poofed away without hardship? Unlikely...highly unlikely.

Actually the Bible says that those who didn't worship the beast would be jailed or killed. But theologians down through the years have made the Bible say pretty much whatever they wanted it too....

You don't read the bible do you?

I read the Bible. And I study things such as the last days on an average of three to five ours a day and I have found no proof of a rapture. The only rapture there is is the one that happens when Jesus returns to slay those who fight against him and deliver us up to heaven with him. I showed you this quote from the Bible. 1 Thessalonians 4:13 ¶But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

1 Thessalonians 5:1 ¶But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.

the dead come first, thus we are not raptured mysteriously. I would notice it if the dead were resurrected.

If I am to under stand the Christian concept of the rapture and revelation it is, that in the end days all thoses who believe will be taken into god’s kingdom all those that don’t will be left on earth. On earth the beast walks with the mark 666 and all thoses that are left must accept the mark of the beast to survive, then the beast will gather his armies and all the armies of the world for one last fight against good.

Now overlooking the absurdity of the passage for one moment one must ask who is it that the beast will be fighting? If all believers are in heaven and everyone else must accept the mark of the beast to survive that leaves no one to fight? .........odd

The whole thing stinks of Nero and the fall of the Roman Empire .just a modern mind interpretation of old past events it isn’t happening now it’s already happened

That falls inline with what I posted already.

You got that right