It's a beautiful animal

YEAS!! Respect to us shirkers!

this is a call to all skivers, shirkers and otherwise lazy gets who are supposed to be in with their studies.... Stand up and be counted!

RKD

Could the marozi exist yes, leopons have been bred so we know it's possible to occur with that said I don't believe the animal does I'm not saying hybridization never occured in the wild but the massive amount of cross breeding between thse two speices that would be required just wouldn't occur.

http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/leopons.html

Thank you


Like I said before, it can occur in zoos, but in the wild, they would just kill each other.

To put it simply that would be correct. But there are other factors I mean even if you were assume there was interbreeding going there is still another problem hybridizations in the zoos between lions and leopards the male offspring were all sterile which isn't uncommon for hybrids but still in order for something to be as common as Mazori is in legend would require unbelievably high level of hybridization.

if one is in heat you never know

P.S if I hear "mermaids" one more time on this topic I'll scream, drop it people the fights over the battle was draw, now move on with your lifes, your comments over it are dirty and underhaned, so just stop talking about it OKAY?!?

So you think a horse would mate with a dog just because it is in heat?

Lions+leopards=BAD. They will fight, they are NATURAL ENEMIES.

have you ever seen cats when there in heat even if they are enemies, there still mate

No, and while having a passion for zoology, natural enemies don't mate.

well then, how do you get them to do it in zoos then?

Zoo animals are MICH, much more tame than wild animals...and sometimes lose natural instincts...Like a gorilla befriending a cat...Or the household mouse and snake are best buddies...

In the wild, it doesn't go that way...

then what do you make of the sightings of full grown spotted lion, I say a subspieces

There are no documented sightings

Proof would be nice

there are some reported sightings

PROOF

Until then, there are none You truly don't know squat about zoology, do you?

if you read " Cyrptozoolgy A to Z" there is some proof listed in there

creeper u must underst and that there is a big diffence between animal mating in th wild to produce cross breeds and animals in captivity. captive cats are very very diffent theen ther wild counter parts. behaviorly speaking. cats in captivity (by witch i do not mean reserves where they have large areas to roam and act more natural loose many of there instics in terms of natural alienation. so this allows them to breed in captivity "Sometimes" for instance a liger is more easily made then a tigon because a male tiger can understand the female lions breeding cues better thne a male tigre can understand the female tigers breeding cues. next often they are artificaly insemenated. or if the female is larger then the male i.e. male leopardf female lion the lion is ususaly drugged for safty of the leopard remember lions usualy kill leopards if they can. i nthe wild lions kill chase steal from and attack leopards. not to mention a lion male wouldnt allow his female lion ot be mounted by a leopard male remember they are with females who are in heat ever minute of the day and breed with them nonstop. so a leopard wouldnt even get close to the lioness without the male killing him. and finaly a male lion kills any competition from other lion pride members to hyeans to leopards anything that may threatn him or his pride so he wouldnt mount a female leopard hed kill her before she could breed and have more babie. ur foolish to tihnk other wise


spotted lions have bene reported but remember lions have spots too when younger it may be some gene that makles them retin the spots into adult hood instead of sheding them. a subspecies of spotted lions i nthis day and age is not logical nor probabile

That's not proof, its just you saying something...Give me references, links, quotes. Also, I wouldn't trust a CRYPTOZOOLOGY book on this...
Still waiting for PROOF.

I JUST GAVE YOU A REFERENCE. THE BOOK i just told you about is a well respected book

I don't own the book, so give me some parenthetical references...Actual quotes from the book...

Maybe from the internet?


On cryptozoology, maybe...On real zoology, probably not.

I would read robbie's logical post if I were you creeper...

wikipedia(sp) perhaps

Links?

can't, too hard for my computer

ARE YOU SERIOUS?

Ok, now you are just avoiding this...I rest my case

NO PROOF OF SPOTTED LIONS

haha taking the easy way out i suppose

I don't think pressing CTRL+C and then CTRL+V is too hard for a computer What a lame excuse..

yes my computer suks, okay, and as soon as I can I will try to get you a link

Lame excuse...Your comp can't copy and paste?

in our defence u have posted links before what changes now?

when?, if I did then WOOHOO , and I will rush to get frogfish his link

Frogfish below I have a link below probably to the best site on this subject because the guy who runs the site is interested in Tigers and hybrid big cats not cryptos.
http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/marozi.html

i have been to that site often it has good info but it also explains how a cross uis very unlikly

As far as i can tell from reading a little about this subject, even when this big cat's are cross bred in zoo's most are still born or often have some kind of genetic desease(cerebellar hypoplasia) ( hip dysplasia) (patella luxation) (cranial deformities) the same thing's happen in domesticated cat's.

PROS
CONS

INBREEDING
(Mating of closely related individuals)
Produces uniform or predictable offspring.
Hidden (recessive) genes show up and can be eliminated.
Individuals will "breed true" and are "pure."
Doubles up good genes.
Eliminates unwanted traits.
Doubles up on faults and weaknesses.
Progressive loss of vigor and immune response.
Increased reproductive failures, fewer offspring.
Emphasis on appearance means accidental loss of "good" genes for other attributes.
Genetically impoverished individuals.

LINE-BREEDING
(Mating of less closely related individuals)
Avoid inbreeding of very closely-related cats, but cats are still "pure".
Produces uniform or predictable offspring.
Slows genetic impoverishment.
Require excellent individuals.
Does not halt genetic impoverishment, only slows it down.

OUTCROSSING (Mating of unrelated individuals within the same breed)
Brings in new qualities or reintroduces lost qualities.
Increases vigor.
Cats are still "pure".
Less consistency and predictability of offspring.
May have to breed out unwanted genes accidentally introduced at same time.
May be hard to find individuals which are true outcrosses.

HYBRIDIZATION (Mating of unrelated individuals of different breeds)
Brings in new qualities or reintroduces lost qualities.
Increases vigor, may improve immune system and reproductive capacity.
Introduces totally new traits e.g. color. Fur type.
May result in new breeds.
The offspring are considered "impure" for many generations.
Unpredictable - new traits may not all be desirable.
Must choose outcross breed whose qualities complement or match own breed.
May take years to eliminate unwanted traits/loss of type.
May take years to get consistent offspring.
Produces many variants not suitable for use in breeding program.

Copyright 1996, 2001, 2003 Sarah Hartwell

Hybridization almost always produces sterile offspring also

most of the time, some times they can be fertile

IT DOESNT MATTER THIS IS GETTING OLD. ITS NOT A LEOPARD LION CROSS. if anything its a weird color patter for al ion. possibly from inbreeding or mady itsl iek that of the king cheetah who knows. but in the wild the proper circumstances for it to happen dont exhist no male leopard would be able to mount a female lion because a female lion in heat would have the male or males of the pride with her at all times and breed with her like every few minutes basicly. and no male lion would mount a female leopard beause if anything he would see her as competition for food and he woudl kill her before she could reproduce and make more leopards if he got the shot. its done its over with its not gonan happen

, if the lion smells her in heat I mean I haveseen bobcats, and pumas come to homes were house cats are in heat

bobcats have bene knwon to breed with house cats pumas however may be drawn in by the smell because there isnt that natural hate towards house cats becuase they are non native howewever the puma would still eat the cat if it got close enough. and as for the bobcat thing they have mostly been known to bredd in areas where both are kept as pets or similar. once again cats act diffrently in captivity and in the wild and btw bobcats and pumans and house cats have nounthg to do with lions and leoaprd thre not ieven in the panthra genus

i find this funny, frogfish first prove to creeper that there has never been a wild liger, which you can't do, then ask for his proof.

Here is ur proof. tigers and lions dont live in the same areas so they dont come in contact so they cant breed. wnat proof its called science.

Actaully he didn't prove there was never a wild liger he forget about the Asianic Lion which several hundred years range did over lap quite a bit with tigers it's very very unlikely that it occured back then but not impossible.

thats stupid peopel first off we come to the same conclusion as with leopards and lions breeding male lions owont leave femlas in heat alone thus a tigr wont get to her wihtough a bloddy fight and its not worth it for him. second female tigers in heat attract male tiger to them and the male tiger is with them during the entire heat like them ale lion is with the femals so a male lion would be in a very bloddy fight if he tried to mount a female too. and infaly NATURAL ALIENATION PEOPLE animals f diffrent species hate eachother natualy. not to mention all the dna testign done to tigers and lions it would have shown iup in mtDNA if there was ever any crossing going on.

no you haven't...You claimed to seen wild ligers and hyenadogs...No one believes you.

If a lion smells her in heat, he will kill her.





I have...its called science


Ahh, but even back then, their ranges never crossed. The asiatic lion lived in Arabia, the Middle east, and India west of the Ghats. Tigers lived in Siberia, China, Indonesia, Malaysia, and India EAST of the Ghats.

You might want to check out the news today to back up your argument. It has just been proven thru DNA testing that a Hybrid Bear had been shot, it is a cross between a Grizzly and a Polar Bear!!!!
I think you just got yourself a winning argument!

HAHA i saw that and new u were gonan bring it up. theres a problem with that compared to the cat argument. and its that grizzly bears anbd polar bears split more recently then lions and leopards and they live in the same areas unliek lions and tigers. further more bears are solitary so the problem of males who are from the "pride" dont come into play. also some scientist feel polar bears shoudl be classified as a sub species of brown bear because of there similarites other thn the fur they are very very very similar animals.





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_bears


look liek u just lost once again keep goin this is fun for me.

- Ever heard of Asian Lions? You do know Tigers are found is Asia, right?
- Male Lions are also solitary until they find themselves a pride.
- Lions and Tigers are both from the Cat family.
- Did you even read the whole article? Canadian scientist don't know how it happened, and here you are knowing excatly why?
Glad you having fun, for we all here are having fun too with your posting!

Here's another kind of lions.

Lions!!!!!

Polar Bear / Grizzly Bear Story.

Polar bears mate on ice and Grizzly bears mate on ground. Wonder how they met ?

there breeding season over laps ad right now they arent on the ice ther ar on actualy groud so a grizzly and polar ber will come in contact. grizzly bears and polar bears split lont aobut 2 million years ago not very long at all tigers and lions split long before that very very long before that so they are far diffrent then a grizzly and polar bear. remember some peopel want to classifiy the polar bear as a brown bear speciesno one wants to say liosn and tigers are the same species. and remember tigers in india live ot the west and th lions are found in the east so lets think aobut that oh yea they wont see eachother. and aobut the lions being solitary. htat is one of two things young males who would be smaller then the tiger so she wouldnt let immature males mount her remember tigers and sluts people they wont just take it fomr anything or very old ones ance again these males usualy die soon and are weak or injured after the new males took over thus a tigr wont let them mount her either.