There is not an offical Marozi topic yet and i figured i'd start one. This is a really good website on the topic, for people who don't know about the posiblity of a natural african cat hybrid. I'm a bit sceptical, but anythings posible.

http://www.lairweb.org.nz/tiger/marozi.html

Its probably just a alrge leopard or small lion...Hybridization is possible, but the chance is VERY, VERY small.

that's true but you can get different breeds of dogs rite and they can mate together why not cats?

Yeah. We do tht with dogs to make new breeds, mabey nature did it to make a new species.

They have to be forced, sort of. Hasn't been known to occur naturally. Lions and leopards are natural enemies. A lion would kill a leopard just for being there.

Not to burst you bubble Odinson but ive never seen two dogs bein 'forced' to mate we breed different sepcies of cat as well so it is a possibility

Well I meant the big cats. They are not forced against their wills, but kept from their own kind. It's like isolation. I'm not a big fan of zoos going about and getting hybrids like ligers, or even the interbreeding that takes place to produce a white tiger line. I understand why they do it, but it's not something they should do.

Dogs don't care who they intermingle with. They'll even do wolves. Wolves! They are certainly not discriminating.

Back to the big cats. Check this link. http://www.messybeast.com/genetics/hybrid-bigcats.html In the middle there are pics of a leopard mating a lying down lioness. Look at the size differences. As the article said, there was some controversy as to whether the lioness was lying down for the leopard, or if she was sedated.




Maybe it's love?

haha ok where to start where to start first ofof breeding diffrent breeds of dogs is alot diffrent then breeding diffrent species of cats lets compare it liek this. its an asian person and a white person having a kid. although outward apperance is slightly diffrent there the same thing. now diffrent cats species well now u get into clasification and many many other things. first off they are seprate species unlike dogs who are one species Canus lupus familis. (or soemthing very similar to that lol) a lion is Panthera leo and a loepard is Panthera pardus. there is a thing in the animal world called natural alienation. this means that animals of seprate species naturaly jsut dont like eachother. its basicly a natural form of racisim to put it simply. now this means that lions and leopards are natural enimies in fact lions will kill leopard cubs they find just so there is less competition for food in the future. now to think that these animals will somehow put this aside so they can breed is very very very unlikely. some might arguss that diffrent kinds of orangutans breed naturaly in the wild the diffrence here is they are just diffrent sub species not diffrent species. in captivity bug cats behavior changes meaning that a tiger will share and encloser with another or a tiger and lion will share one or someithng along that lines. so it is possible for al ion to bred with a leopard but again this is in captivity not the wild. if u bring a wild leopard and wild lion into the same cage u will soon have a dead leopard and a full lion. i belive that these animals are just a color morph of a lion kinda liek a king cheetah. or possibly food in the ares is rather plentaful so leopards were able to grow larger thne normal. in areas of high food year round for lions they tend to grow larger thne other areas. either way the odds it truly is a lion leopard cross in the wild is very very very very very unlikely and i wouldnt put money on it


oh and aobut dogs doin it with wolves its because as i said earlier dogs are canus lupus familis or something liek that grey wolves in general are canus lupus what does this mean it means ur dog is technicly a grey wolf so its not anytyhing amazing that a dog would mate with a wolf

The mating of a lion and a leopard in the wild is almost 0...They are natural enemies...The only way I can see them mating is in a zoo..

mating two breeds of dogs is totally different from mating two completely different species. It can be done though, but you get a sterile hybrid (essentially the definition of hybrid in biology is the sterile offspring of two different species).

A good example is the Mule. Part horse, part donkey. Now these are two different species and by mating the two you get the best characteristics of the two. But don't count on two mules making ickle wee mule-sprogs. The only way you cna ever get a baby mule is through the mating of a horse with a donkey. Same with these big cats, you won't get a real population of hybrid cats.

RKD

my eyes, my eyes!! why did you show that . so did not need yo see that, back on topic wild cat hybrids are as rare as you think, I have seen wild ligers and some strange looking cats in the wild

I didn't think they were graphic. Sorry. Let me know if I should delete.

I am very interested in where you have seen ligers in the wild. Only in India could lions and tigers meet. The Asiatic lion and the Bengal tiger. From what I've read, tigers do not venture into the lions' territory in the Gir forest of India. A lion would kill a leopard if given the chance. Leopards are scared of tigers. Forget about cheetahs. They are the redheaded stepchildren of the African wilderness.

If you're talking about wildcats and housecats, as opposed to the big cats, then I've read that sometimes the smaller wildcats do mate with stray or feral housecat. Never seen one of those either.

Regarding the marozi, if a male lion tried to mate with a female leopard, and keep in mind that male lions can get up to 500 lbs while a female leopard can get up to 100 lbs, would a female leopard survive that?

What about the l Tigar and lion that mate..They are called liger or something...I can see where this animal could be real... We know that different type's of animal do mate sometime's....

In zoos it's done.

Pic of a liger


The massive size comes from a lion father and a tigress.

Tigers and lionesses have smaller children.

There are no wild ligers and hybrids. The range of tigers and lions don't even overlap! They are all bred in zoos!


Not in the wild...only in zoos.

the ranges do in fact overlap in some places

Name one place.

Gir forest does not have Tigers

some spots of india the ranges overlap

WRONG. The only Asiatic Lions reside in Gir National Forest. No tigers there. I have even been to Gir Forest!

You'r wrong, like always.

so I am always wrong? but from what I heard in some remote areas of india small prides of lions and a small amount of tigers live in the same area, how they got I do not know

Gir Forest has no tigers...

some one could have importated them

What do you not get that THERE ARE NO TIGERS IN GIR NATIONAL FOREST!

what I am saying is some one (or something ) could have imported them. OKAY!?!

There are no tigers in Gir Forest..How could someone of imported them?

Learn to read...it helps

harsh man, someone ( or something ) could have let some tigers in to the area

You still are saying that despise the fact that THERE ARE NO TIGERS THERE?


Your commentes just get more stupid each time you post.

How do you know there are no tigers there? have you search the entire forest?

Because the tiger's range does not inhabit that forest...Cause I have been to that National Park and the only big cats there are lions and leopards...Because parks rangers say so!

so clearly what we have on are hands is an ABC

Where did you get that stupid idea!

There are lions and leopards in Gir, that's all.

clearly there are more big cats in the area than you know of

haha u people are all insane lol with like the exception of like frogfish. ok what u people call wild hybrids are 99.9% of the time crosses of diffren subspecies of a single animals species liek two subspecies of orangutangs thus its not realy a hybrid. the other .1% of the time is due to huma interfearance i.e. when people were killing off the wolves male wolves were unable to find felmales to start packs and thus resulted to breeding with coyotes. and this wasnt even that common. and frogfish occasionaly and very very very rarely like once a decade a tiger is seen in the gir forest. but there is no chance this will breed with any of the lions ther or leopards. becuase as i discussed its natural alienation. it just doesnt work that way people. its proven

But at this time, there are no tigers there...Their range does not cover that area. Once upon a long, long time ago, their ranges did over lap...But not anymore (last 500 years).


The only hybrids between true species occur in zoos.

no, they have occured in the wild, look it up!

No they haven't...If they did, do YOU have any resources?

Stop making up false information...its against forum commandments

"Thous shalt not bear false witnesses"

if you go to wikipedia(Sp) and type in wild hybrids there give you a big list of them like coyote wolf crossings, wolfdogs, coyodogs, ti-ligers and other animals like that

Which were bred in zoos...not in the wild...The only possible wild hybrids are wolf-coyotes...but they are very rare...Dog-wolves are the same subspecies...so they are not hybrids.

there are wild hyenadogs, li-ligers, tigons and others like that in the wild, and wolfdogs are no subspeices

No there are not...The ranges of lions and tigers don't even cross! Like I said, thou shalt not bear false witnesses.


Do you even know what a subspecies is? Even a zoology major agrees with me! (robbieb)

forget it you just say the same things over, and over, and over, and over again. I think someone or something let wild tigers in to places where lions live

If so, explain why there are NO TIGERS in Gir Forest

OTHER places beside Gir forest

Wrong again. The only place where Asiatic Lions roam is Gir Forest and the surrounding county.

I saw on animal planet that there is a tiger resvation in africa

Its a breeding program and there are no lions in the area or in the enclosures. Any lions are driven off.

still, if lions were to get in to the area whos to say they might, well you know

Kill each other?

did you not see my " " you know what I am talking about, right

yea frogfish is right. lions live ni africa nad the gir forest today there are no tigers in the gir forest or africa so no wild cross breeds could happen hyeans and dogs do not cross andf that fact u said that makes me want to laugh look up some info and hyeanas my dear there closer to ferrets then dogs. Grey wolves are canis lupus dogs are canis lupus familis thus dogs ARE grey wolves so for a dog and wolf to breed is nouthin itsn ot a hybrid. and like i siad the wolf coyote thing is because of human interfearance of humans killing the wolves oof thus male wolves found not females to breed with and very rarely they had been recorded to breed with coyotes this no longer goes on today and in fact some people dont even belive it happend in the pasty and it never would have hasppend the wother way a fmale wolf wouldnt not have allowed a male coyote to mount her. coyotes are Canis latrans.wolves liked to eat coyotes instead of compet with them for food. now a wolf/dog hybrid would more likely mount a coyote then a wolf. so i belive this is the case here and thus its still not a wild hybrid due to human interactions. this does not includ red wolves however who are just up in there air right now aobut what they even are.