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Cinders
Hey! How's everyone doing?

I've been REALLY busy with a few things and that's why I've not been around on the forum this past week. (trying to potty train twin boys *ugh* and then seeing two different UFO's in the same day!)
But the latest sighting really pissed me off! The situation, caused an absolute uproar around my house! And because of the things that transpired, I've been off to buy better video / camera equipment because of the lastest incident! w00t.gif Talk about "frustrations!"

Anyway, I finally made time to make this 45 minute show available for all.
It's not the greatest episode (very military, and very techy) - but it's something to watch for over the weekend.
However, I thought a few things were quite interesting in this episode. Like when it discussed the "alien head band" that may have been used to "transmit thoughts" or used to "control" the alien craft.. strangely I thought of Lazar. To use "mind control" in operating things. *strange*

BTW, Mr. Corso, who is seen in this episode passed away in 1998 - I believe the interview with him was done in 1995, but not sure when this show was produced for TV.

This episode is called:
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Text info about this show below is from the History Channel:

The Day after Roswell
Aired Monday, May 1 at 8:00 pm ET
Aired Tuesday, May 2 at 12:00am ET

Delve into the aftermath and repercussions of the 1947 Roswell incident, when many believe an alien spacecraft crashed in New Mexico. Based on The Day after Roswell by Lt. Col. Philip J. Corso and William Birnes, we explore if technologies like the laser, fiber optics, the integrated circuit, super-strong fibers, and night vision were developed with the aid of aliens. Career officer Corso claims his first alien encounter came on July 6, `47, while on late-night security rounds at Ft. Riley, Kansas, where he saw bodies of EBEs (Extraterrestrial Biological Entities) inside shipping crates. In 1961, as Chief of Foreign Technology in the Army's department of Research and Development, his job included analyzing alien technology from Roswell, then introducing it into America's technological mainstream--thus, reverse-engineering alien artifacts. And we talk to many scientists involved at the time, who credit hard work, not alien contact, with these technological advances. TVPG

See "Preview" of this here:
http://www.zippyvideos.com/694975372505214...oswell_preview/

Download Part 1 here (59 megs, 23 minutes, wmv format)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/57wmrw

Download Part 2 here:(56 megs, 22 minutes, wmv format)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/7or07g
Pinowawa1
Thank you Cinders original.gif
supercar
Philip Corso also is the author of the book 'The Day After Roswell' ,which I've read. I didn't like the book that much. He spent very little time talking about Roswell and UFO's:


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Charliebox
Hey cinders,

Can you get this one back up and running? Sorry, I'm pretty computer illiterate, and I'm not sure how to make the "request". Your help is much appreciated! Keep up the good work.


Cinders
QUOTE(Charliebox @ Jun 19 2006, 09:34 AM) [snapback]1237421[/snapback]

Hey cinders,

Can you get this one back up and running? Sorry, I'm pretty computer illiterate, and I'm not sure how to make the "request". Your help is much appreciated! Keep up the good work.


Will do - currently I am re-uploading another one for someone and I should be able to re-upload this one for you and have it posted here in about 2 hours.. (uploading is so much slower than downloading *ugh* )

In the meantime, while you wait, I have this VERY interesting UFO files show called "Canada's Roswell" . Of all the Roswell UFO file shows.. I found this one most fascinating:

Here is the online Preview of this show:
http://www.zippyvideos.com/318814999537150...oswell_preview/

Download part 1 (over 21 minutes)
Name: Canada's_Roswell_part1.wmv
Size: 52MB
Description: Canada's Roswell - part 1

The download link is: http://www.sendspace.com/file/lpmjl3

Dowload part 2 (over 23 minutes)
Name: Canada's_Roswell_part2.wmv
Size: 59MB
Description: Canada's Roswell - part 2

The download link is: http://www.sendspace.com/file/p16i4o

I will get the Day After Roswell re-uploaded for you ASAP and will post in here when done.

Cinders
QUOTE(Charliebox @ Jun 19 2006, 09:34 AM) [snapback]1237421[/snapback]

Hey cinders,

Can you get this one back up and running? Sorry, I'm pretty computer illiterate, and I'm not sure how to make the "request". Your help is much appreciated! Keep up the good work.


Finally! Re-uploaded this for you here:

Name: Day_After_Roswell_Part1.wmv
Size: 57MB
Description: Day After Roswell part ONE

The download link is: http://www.sendspace.com/file/qiegig

Name: Day_After_Roswell_Part2.wmv
Size: 55MB
Description: Day After Roswell part TWO

The download link is: http://www.sendspace.com/file/eolo29


I also higly recommend watching "Canada's Roswell" ( posted just above this post)



boggle
If the pentagon can be hit by a cruise missle and then turn around and claim it was a boeing 757... i wouldnt be surprised to see at least one of them claim harvested 'alien technology' LOL.
skyeagle409
QUOTE(Cinders @ May 6 2006, 02:44 AM) [snapback]1176521[/snapback]

Hey! How's everyone doing?

However, I thought a few things were quite interesting in this episode. Like when it discussed the "alien head band" that may have been used to "transmit thoughts" or used to "control" the alien craft.. strangely I thought of Lazar. To use "mind control" in operating things. *strange*


It is interesting that you mentioned "mind control" because I tried out a mind controlled computer several years ago. It was made into a game and I decided to try it out when it was placed on display at our Base Exchange. A couple of years before, a scientist at Wright-Patterson AFB revealed a "mind controlled" computer that was being developed there. The same place where former commanding general at Wright-Patterson AFB, General Arthur Exon, claimed that the Roswell crash debris were taken. He said the consenses amongst the scientist at Wright-Patterson AFB was that the debris came from an alien spacecraft based on test conducted by the scientist there and it was General Arthur Exon who overflew the Roswell crash sites in an airplane.
_______________________________________________________________________________

General Arthur Exon

What Roswell Was


(RUCU)

"...They knew they had something new in their hands. The metal and material was unknown to anyone I talked to. Whatever they found, I never heard what the results were. A couple of guys thought it might be Russian, but the overall consensus was that the pieces were from space. ...Roswell was the recovery of a craft from space."



(Confirmation, p. 250)

Among the things that Exon was very specific about was that everybody "from Truman on down" had known about the Roswell incident from the day it happened, and that it was known to be an alien spacecraft "almost as soon as we got on the scene."





_______________________________________________________________________________
supercar
QUOTE(boggle @ Jun 19 2006, 10:59 PM) [snapback]1238277[/snapback]

If the pentagon can be hit by a cruise missle and then turn around and claim it was a boeing 757... i wouldnt be surprised to see at least one of them claim harvested 'alien technology' LOL.


Umm...the Pentagon was hit by a Boing 757. Not a cruise missile.
boggle
QUOTE(supercar @ Jun 21 2006, 07:37 AM) [snapback]1239813[/snapback]

Umm...the Pentagon was hit by a Boing 757. Not a cruise missile.


look at the 5 frames coming from the camera looking at the side of the pentagon, after looking at the nose of the missle and a nose of a 757 come back and then tell me what you know. Otherwise dont state something you dont know, yes im referring to the 5 frames release by the FBI.
chaoszerg
QUOTE(boggle @ Jun 21 2006, 08:54 AM) [snapback]1239821[/snapback]

look at the 5 frames coming from the camera looking at the side of the pentagon, after looking at the nose of the missle and a nose of a 757 come back and then tell me what you know. Otherwise dont state something you dont know, yes im referring to the 5 frames release by the FBI.




Boggle im glad your such a easy going and friendly person laugh.gif thumbsup.gif
supercar
QUOTE(boggle @ Jun 21 2006, 02:54 AM) [snapback]1239821[/snapback]

look at the 5 frames coming from the camera looking at the side of the pentagon, after looking at the nose of the missle and a nose of a 757 come back and then tell me what you know. Otherwise dont state something you dont know, yes im referring to the 5 frames release by the FBI.


I've looked at all the video and photographs I can find and have never seen a cruise missile. Because there was no cruise missile.

Osama bin Laden has appeared in a videotape in which he admitted planning the 9/11 attacks:


Dec. 13, 2001 -- The Pentagon has released a videotape of Osama bin Laden, that it says provides additional evidence that the al Qaeda leader is responsible for the Sept. 11 terror attacks. Administration officials say the tape shows bin Laden had specific knowledge of when and where those attacks would occur before they took place.
Osama bin Laden tape

The videotape -- discovered in a private home in Jalalabad, Afghanistan -- shows a relaxed bin Laden discussing the attacks in Arabic with another man who appears to be a cleric. On the tape, bin Laden says he was pleasantly surprised by the amount of destruction caused at the World Trade Center; he only expected the top portion of the twin towers to collapse.

According to a translated transcript issued by the Pentagon, bin Laden says the attacks on the World Trade Center did more damage than expected. "...we calculated in advance the number of casualties from the enemy, who would be killed based on the position of the tower," he says, according to the transcript. "We calculated that the floors that would be hit would be three or four floors. I was the most optimistic of them all. (...Inaudible...) due to my experience in this field, I was thinking that the fire from the gas in the plane would melt the iron structure of the building and collapse the area where the plane hit and all the floors above it only. This is all that we had hoped for."

Bin Laden also indicates on the tape that he knew of the attacks in advance. "We had notification since the previous Thursday that the event would take place that day," he says. "We had finished our work that day and had the radio on. It was 5:30 p.m. our time... Immediately, we heard the news that a plane had hit the World Trade Center. We turned the radio station to the news from Washington. The news continued and no mention of the attack until the end. At the end of the newscast, they reported that a plane just hit the World Trade Center."


http://www.npr.org/news/specials/response/...laden.tape.html

Osama bin Laden himself has said an airplane hit the Pentagon:

The difference between the first and the second plane hitting the towers was twenty minutes. And the difference between the first plane and the plane that hit the Pentagon was one hour.-Osama bin Laden

http://www.npr.org/news/specials/response/...transcript.html

As for 'don't state what you don't know',perhaps you should heed your own advice.
skyeagle409
QUOTE(boggle @ Jun 21 2006, 07:54 AM) [snapback]1239821[/snapback]

look at the 5 frames coming from the camera looking at the side of the pentagon, after looking at the nose of the missle and a nose of a 757 come back and then tell me what you know. Otherwise dont state something you dont know, yes im referring to the 5 frames release by the FBI.


Supercar is right, that was a B-757 that crashed into the Pentagon. I've already identified B-757 components within the wreckage.


B-757 Engine Rotor

Landing Gear and Torsion Link

B-757 Aircraft Skin

Main Landing Gear (MLG) Hub

MLG Hub Compared With B-757 Main Landing Gear


http://www.911research.wtc7.net/essays/pentagon/


The Roswell skeptics couldn't get it right either because they did not want to accept the reality of the facts.
Cinders
With all due respect... (and trying to keeping calm)

I have no idea how the hell the 9/11 incident came up in a Roswell discussion.

Maybe I need to vent a bit here. But since you all bring this "ish" up here goes...

There is something wrong with the ROSWELL mess and in my know-nothing nobody opinion there is also something very wrong with the 9/11 incident.

But I have tried to keep UFO's and 9/11 separate on this forum. (sort of like how one here in America keeps religion and State separate) but you guys BROUGHT this on now..

Some interesting things have come up regarding 9/11 recently here (to me.. a nobody.. this is important)

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=72359

You know, if the Roswell incident and other various UFO related things that have been "covered-up" FOR SO MANY YEARS and quite successfully I might add, I am damn well sure there is MUCH MORE to what happened on 9/11/2001 than what this world will ever know in my lifetime.

*PEACE*
skyeagle409
QUOTE(boggle @ Jun 20 2006, 03:59 AM) [snapback]1238277[/snapback]

If the pentagon can be hit by a cruise missle and then turn around and claim it was a boeing 757... i wouldnt be surprised to see at least one of them claim harvested 'alien technology' LOL.



Well, I for one think just that! After all, we are getting into memory metals, the stuff exhibiting exotic properties that the Roswell witnesses have been describing for years.

__________________________________________________________________________________

US Military are using smart metals similar
to those found at the Roswell Crash In 1947

Colonel Corso

"In his controversial book ‘The Day After Roswell’ Col. Philip J. Corso (Ret.), the former head of the Foreign Technology Desk at the U.S. Army’s Research and Development department, described his own experience of examining similar material alleged to come from the 1947 crash site:

“There was a dull, greyish-silvery foil-like swatch of cloth among these artifacts that you could not fold, bend, tear, or wad up but that bounded right back into its original shape without any creases. It was a metallic fibre with physical characteristics that would later be called “supertenacity,” but when I tried to cut it with scissors, the arms just slid right off without even making a nick in the fibres. If you tried to stretch it, it bounced back, but I noticed that all the threads seemed to be going in one direction." (The Day After Roswell, p49 Pocket Books 1997)




http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/morphingmetals.html
rapid7

boggle fired... and someone bit. ohmy.gif




Cinders
QUOTE(rapid7 @ Jun 21 2006, 07:11 PM) [snapback]1241009[/snapback]

boggle fired... and someone bit. ohmy.gif


And now my Brit hubby (came here in May 2001) who has more faith in the US government than I do, are in an argument about all this ish...yet again....

Go figure.

I continue to cry tears over this Iraq war and try to rationalize why the hell we are even there in the first place. I knew it was going to be bad - very bad from the get go due to 9/11.

Hey! I rallied during Afghanistan.. but prayed like nobody's business that we would NOT go into Iraq.

AND now look where we are! A divided USA country, politicians, countries from around the world, and citizens all pointing fingers at one another!

And to top this all off, a sick church (Westboro) that preaches HATE at our dead soldier's funerals while hiding behind the first amendment as it is there so-called FREEDOM to do so.. and the ACLU supports them!

I don't think our men and women that have fought and died in ALL our history's wars (not just Iraq) for our FREEDOM ever thought it would be for the FREEDOM to be F**CKED!

A Reminder Here

Things have been covered up in the Roswell incident and I KNOW things are being covered up about 9/11/2001... and nobody has to be an Einstein to figure that out.
boggle
QUOTE(rapid7 @ Jun 22 2006, 02:11 AM) [snapback]1241009[/snapback]

boggle fired... and someone bit. ohmy.gif


i pm'ed the video evidence to him instead of side tracking this thread. That person fails to mention this as well.
supercar
QUOTE(Cinders @ Jun 21 2006, 08:10 PM) [snapback]1240903[/snapback]

I have no idea how the hell the 9/11 incident came up in a Roswell discussion


Here. I'll show you:

QUOTE(boggle @ Jun 19 2006, 10:59 PM) [snapback]1238277[/snapback]

If the pentagon can be hit by a cruise missle and then turn around and claim it was a boeing 757


He thought he could sneak in a jab at the United States and no one would notice.

QUOTE(Cinders @ Jun 21 2006, 09:24 PM) [snapback]1241036[/snapback]

AND now look where we are! A divided USA country, politicians, countries from around the world, and citizens all pointing fingers at one another!


With all due respect,that is just what the America-haters want you to think. The USA is not divided. Citizens are not pointing fingers at one another.

The United States was attacked on 9/11. The United States is not the aggressor.

QUOTE(boggle @ Jun 22 2006, 02:48 AM) [snapback]1241273[/snapback]

i pm'ed the video evidence to him instead of side tracking this thread. That person fails to mention this as well.


No,I only saw your PM about three hours after I had posted my message.
boggle
QUOTE(supercar @ Jun 22 2006, 10:30 AM) [snapback]1241344[/snapback]

Here. I'll show you:
He thought he could sneak in a jab at the United States and no one would notice.
With all due respect,that is just what the America-haters want you to think. The USA is not divided. Citizens are not pointing fingers at one another.

The United States was attacked on 9/11. The United States is not the aggressor.
No,I only saw your PM about three hours after I had posted my message.


QUOTE
Here. I'll show you:


The information i got came from the evidence release by the FBI (5 frames)

QUOTE
With all due respect,that is just what the America-haters want you to think


You dont even know enough about the subject nor me to make that presumption and the information that is available is coming from the US government DOH!! like i stated earlier, i pm'ed that person who wanted to press the issue further by giving him a source to see for himself.

I am a vet and served as an aviation structural mech and it dont matter if you dont like the evidence being releaseed nor the statements by eyewitnesses who claim the same thing. Call me crazy for believing the eyewitness' testimony and the the differences being shown on the 5 frames, i can tell the difference between the nose of a boeing 757 airliner vs. the frontal area of a missle.

explain the following, if a Boeing 757 crashed into the pentagon then why...

user posted image

you want to press the issue further then lets do it.

Edit - Removed insult directed at another member
supercar
QUOTE(boggle @ Jun 22 2006, 05:48 AM) [snapback]1241354[/snapback]

If you want to spout off by calling people american haters then here's one for you.. your a dumbass


I never said anyone on the Extraterrestrial Life & The UFO Phenomenon board was an America-hater.

QUOTE(boggle @ Jun 22 2006, 05:48 AM) [snapback]1241354[/snapback]

i pm'ed that person who wanted to press the issue further by giving him a source to see for himself


I'm the one you sent the PM to! If you can't remember who you sent a PM to it looks like you are the 'dumbass'! w00t.gif

QUOTE(boggle @ Jun 22 2006, 05:48 AM) [snapback]1241354[/snapback]

it dont matter if you dont like the evidence being releaseed nor the statements by eyewitnesses who claim the same thing


Eyewitness accounts? Here's some eyewitness accounts:

9/11 Pentagon Eyewitness Accounts

Mike Walter

USA Today's Mike Walter was driving near the Pentagon when he saw an American Airlines jet fly directly into the country's military nerve center. [544kB WAV download]

Steve Anderson, Director of Communications, USA TODAY

A few moments later, as I was looking down at my desk, the plane caught my eye.

It didn't register at first. I thought to myself that I couldn't believe the pilot was flying so low. Then it dawned on me what was about to happen. I watched in horror as the plane flew at treetop level, banked slightly to the left, drug it's wing along the ground and slammed into the west wall of the Pentagon exploding into a giant orange fireball. Then black smoke. Then white smoke.

Deb Anlauf

Anlauf was watching TV coverage of the Trade Center burning shortly before 9:30 a.m. when she decided to return to her 14th-floor room from another part of the hotel. Once in her room, she heard a "loud roar" and looked out the window to see what was going on.

"Suddenly I saw this plane right outside my window," Anlauf said during a telephone interview from her hotel room this morning. "You felt like you could touch it; it was that close. It was just incredible. "Then it shot straight across from where we are and flew right into the Pentagon. It was just this huge fireball that crashed into the wall (of the Pentagon). When it hit, the whole hotel shook."

David Battle

Battle, an office worker at the Pentagon, was standing outside the building and just about to enter when the aircraft struck. "It was coming down head first," he said. "And when the impact hit, the cars and everything were just shaking."

Omar Campo

Omar Campo, a Salvadorean, was cutting the grass on the other side of the road when the plane flew over his head.

"It was a passenger plane. I think an American Airways plane," Mr Campo said. "I was cutting the grass and it came in screaming over my head. I felt the impact. The whole ground shook and the whole area was full of fire. I could never imagine I would see anything like that here."

Gary Bauer, former Presidential candidate

“I was going past the Pentagon, really inching a yard or so every couple of minutes. I had just passed the closest place the Pentagon is to the exit on 395 . . . when all of a sudden I heard the roar of a jet engine.

“I looked at the woman sitting in the car next to me. She had this startled look on her face. We were all thinking the same thing. We looked out the front of our windows to try to see the plane, and it wasn’t until a few seconds later that we realized the jet was coming up behind us on that major highway. And it veered to the right into the Pentagon. The blast literally rocked all of our cars. It was an incredible moment.

(I would just like to add that Gary Bauer is a well-known religous conservative,and a leader of the Christain movemnt. You think Gary Bauer would lie about something like that? -supercar)

Mickey Bell

Bell, who had been less than 100 feet from the initial impact of the plane, was nearly struck by one of the plane´s wings as it sped by him. In shock, he got into his truck, which had been parked in the trailer compound, and sped away. He wandered around Arlington in his truck and tried to make wireless phone calls. He ended up back at Singleton´s headquarters in Gaithersburg two hours later, according to President Singleton, not remembering much.

The full impact of the closeness of the crash wasn´t realized until coworkers noticed damage to Bell´s work vehicle. He had plastic and rivets from an airplane imbedded in its sheet metal, but Bell had no idea what had happened.

Mark Bright, Defense Protective Service officer

Mark Bright, actually saw the plane hit the building. He had been manning the guard booth at the Mall Entrance to the building.

"I saw the plane at the Navy Annex area," he said. "I knew it was going to strike the building because it was very, very low -- at the height of the street lights. It knocked a couple down." The plane would have been seconds from impact -- the annex is only a few hundred yards from the Pentagon.

He said he heard the plane "power-up" just before it struck the Pentagon. "As soon as it struck the building I just called in an attack, because I knew it couldn't be accidental," Bright said. He jumped into his police cruiser and headed to the area.

----------

There are many more eyewitness accounts here:

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911_pent...ewitnesses.html
boggle
answer the question with the picture expert. If you think you can. The eyewitnesses that ive heard submitted you dont believe them, so what just like i dont believe those. Here is one that you cant miss with a simulation:

user posted image

you know about cause and effect dont you? where is it in that picture? "America-haters"
has nothing to do with what people are after but rather the truth.
supercar
QUOTE(boggle @ Jun 22 2006, 06:12 AM) [snapback]1241374[/snapback]

answer the question with the picture expert. If you think you can. The eyewitnesses that ive heard submitted you dont believe them, so what just like i dont believe those. Here is one that you cant miss with a simulation:

user posted image

you know about cause and effect dont you? where is it in that picture? "America-haters"
has nothing to do with what people are after but rather the truth.


Why are you editing your posts? You edited that post at least three times in the past thirty minutes? Are trying to make it look like I'm responding to something that you didn't say?

For instance you originally posted this:

QUOTE(boggle @ Jun 22 2006, 05:48 AM) [snapback]1241354[/snapback]

If you want to spout off by calling people american haters then here's one for you.. your a dumbass


But then you edited to this:

QUOTE(boggle @ Jun 22 2006, 05:48 AM) [snapback]1241354[/snapback]

If you want to spout off by calling people american haters then here's one for you.. you're a retard


Looks like you're running your own little conspiracy/cover-up! w00t.gif
Saru
QUOTE
If you want to spout off by calling people american haters then here's one for you.. you're a retard.

Boggle if you are unable to discuss these subjects without resorting to insults and trolling then don't post at all. You're persistant trolling and disruptive behaviour has earned you a lengthy account suspension.

Lets try to get this topic back to a civil discussion on the subject at hand.
skyeagle409
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Things have been covered up in the Roswell incident and I KNOW things are being covered up about 9/11/2001... and nobody has to be an Einstein to figure that out.


"Cover-up" is the government's middle name! Not many folks know that there were three, not two, but three balloon cover-up stories for the Roswell incident. the weather balloon, an experimental balloon with a hexagon device and of course, a Project Mogul balloon train, not to mention the other Roswell cover-up stories involving the test dummy and accident victims of the 1950's to cover-up alien bodies found in 1947.

There are so many government cover-up stories for the Roswell incident alone, that the government will need to concoct another cover-up story to cover-up their other cover-up stories so people won't get the idea that the government is covering up something.

I want to add as to who suggested a weather balloon be used to cover-up the Roswell incident but first, an affidavit from one of the officers who posed with the Roswell cover-up debris.


_______________________________________________________________________________

Brig. Gen. Thomas Jefferson Dubose
and the Weather Balloon Cover Story

7) "The material shown in the photographs taken in Maj. Gen. Ramey's office was a weather balloon. The weather balloon explanation for the material was a cover story to divert the attention of the press."

Signed: T. J. Dubose
Date: 9/16/91
Signature witnessed by:
Linda R. Split
Notary Public, State of Florida
_______________________________________________________________________________

And now, for the clincher as to who was responsible for the weather balloon cover-up story. From the original document.



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psyco
QUOTE(skyeagle409 @ Jun 21 2006, 08:35 PM) [snapback]1240953[/snapback]

Well, I for one think just that! After all, we are getting into memory metals, the stuff exhibiting exotic properties that the Roswell witnesses have been describing for years.

__________________________________________________________________________________

US Military are using smart metals similar
to those found at the Roswell Crash In 1947

Colonel Corso

"In his controversial book ‘The Day After Roswell’ Col. Philip J. Corso (Ret.), the former head of the Foreign Technology Desk at the U.S. Army’s Research and Development department, described his own experience of examining similar material alleged to come from the 1947 crash site:

“There was a dull, greyish-silvery foil-like swatch of cloth among these artifacts that you could not fold, bend, tear, or wad up but that bounded right back into its original shape without any creases. It was a metallic fibre with physical characteristics that would later be called “supertenacity,” but when I tried to cut it with scissors, the arms just slid right off without even making a nick in the fibres. If you tried to stretch it, it bounced back, but I noticed that all the threads seemed to be going in one direction." (The Day After Roswell, p49 Pocket Books 1997)
http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/morphingmetals.html

[size=5]WOW!!! That was really good!! A++! w00t.gif
psyche101
Does anybody still have a copy of these that they might consider uploading? - the two look very good but I am particularly chasing Day After Roswell if anyone has it and the time to upload it.

TIA if possible thumbsup.gif

Cheers.
Cinders
QUOTE(psyche101 @ Jul 16 2006, 06:39 PM) [snapback]1272586[/snapback]

Does anybody still have a copy of these that they might consider uploading? - the two look very good but I am particularly chasing Day After Roswell if anyone has it and the time to upload it.

TIA if possible thumbsup.gif

Cheers.


I want to be sure.. do you mean The Day After Roswell as well as Canada's Roswell??

Let me know.. I am working on re-uploading The Day After Roswell now for you.. but not sure if you also would like Canada's Roswell (which I also find very interesting)

Cinders
QUOTE(Cinders @ Jul 16 2006, 09:23 PM) [snapback]1272687[/snapback]

I want to be sure.. do you mean The Day After Roswell as well as Canada's Roswell??

Let me know.. I am working on re-uploading The Day After Roswell now for you.. but not sure if you also would like Canada's Roswell (which I also find very interesting)


Here you go psyche101--

Please NOTE: The Links below will be deleted after 7 days of no ativity by the web site (not me)

Name: Day_After_Roswell_Part1.wmv
Size: 57MB
Description: Day After Roswell Part ONE

The download link is: http://www.sendspace.com/file/eijwqd

Name: Day_After_Roswell_Part2.wmv
Size: 55MB
Description: Day After Roswell part TWO

The download link is: http://www.sendspace.com/file/tkqeyk

Let me know if you still want "Canada's Roswell" I have to hit the hay now (almost 10:20 pm PST Sunday and have to get up around 4 AM here) but will check in here tomorrow morning...

psyche101
Gosh, you really make this place, you know that. One has but to make a simple request a viola.

I read that you thought Canada's Roswell was a beut as well, if it's not too much trouble, I'd love a view.

Thank you so much for your incredibly selfless efforts Cinders. I can't tell you how much I appreciate the opportnity to access these great documentaries. My wife is now getting sucked into them now original.gif They are great viewing. I would recommend them to anyone on the board.

Skeptics and belivers can unite!! Everybody loves Cinders !!! Really, you woud have to be a bit twisted not to. grin2.gif
Cinders
QUOTE(psyche101 @ Jul 17 2006, 12:22 AM) [snapback]1272835[/snapback]

Gosh, you really make this place, you know that. One has but to make a simple request a viola.

I read that you thought Canada's Roswell was a beut as well, if it's not too much trouble, I'd love a view.

Thank you so much for your incredibly selfless efforts Cinders. I can't tell you how much I appreciate the opportnity to access these great documentaries. My wife is now getting sucked into them now original.gif They are great viewing. I would recommend them to anyone on the board.

Skeptics and belivers can unite!! Everybody loves Cinders !!! Really, you woud have to be a bit twisted not to. grin2.gif


Of course I would for you!!! (you make me blush and laugh at the same time!)

Sorry I am so behind today.. working on some other things.. IE bush blair chit chat at the G8 today! laugh.gif

Anyway, the download links below will be deleted by the web site after 7 days of no activity.

BTW, before this episode, I thought this only took place in Shag Harbour.. but it was MUCH MORE than that and all that was involved makes this one VERY interesting.

Looks like the PREVIEW of this still works here:
http://www.zippyvideos.com/318814999537150...oswell_preview/

Links to download this here (re uploaded today )
Name: Canada's_Roswell_part1.wmv
Size: 52MB
Description: Canada's Roswell part one

The download link is: http://www.sendspace.com/file/779dpq

Name: Canada's_Roswell_part2.wmv
Size: 59MB
Description: Canada's Roswell part two

The download link is: http://www.sendspace.com/file/qoo7ya

*enjoy!*
psyche101
You spoil me blush.gif

And I Love it grin2.gif Thanks again.

I think the whole forum is lining up to profess their love for Cinders wub.gif , lucky for that Brit hubby that he got in first original.gif

Cheers, I look forward to returning to discuss the two of them. Here I come skyeagle original.gif Better brush up on this one, I expect an excellent discussion !! grin2.gif
skyeagle409
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Cheers, I look forward to returning to discuss the two of them. Here I come skyeagle original.gif Better brush up on this one, I expect an excellent discussion !! grin2.gif



Go right ahead!
psyche101
I know I can rely on you for interesting information and another perspective on whats offered. thumbsup.gif Getting the two sides of the story is why I really look forward to our discussions. I will look forward to this one.
skyeagle409
QUOTE(psyche101 @ Jul 18 2006, 01:23 AM) [snapback]1273883[/snapback]

I know I can rely on you for interesting information and another perspective on whats offered. thumbsup.gif Getting the two sides of the story is why I really look forward to our discussions. I will look forward to this one.


I have often said in the past that if the military was unaware of any crash on the Foster ranch then the object had nothing to do with any military project because the military was unaware of any crash until notified by a civilian and it is inconceivable that the military was unaware of any missiing classified project of theirs had the object been truly that of a classified project.

In other words, if the military was totally unaware of any crash on that ranch, which it was, then the object had nothing to do with any classified project of the military because there is no excuse for the military to lose track of any classified projects of theirs.

We are being led to believe by the Roswell skeptics that the object that crashed on the Foster ranch was that of a classified military project, which wasn't classified at all according to Project Mogul flight records. Apparently, the military didn't know anything about any of their classified projects crashing on that ranch or anything crashing there for that matter. That is a major clue that something wasn't right in regards to the Air Force's Roswell report and its claims.

The Air Force lied for 47 years that a weather balloon was involved knowing that no weather balloon was involved and then it changed its story to that of a balloon train that never flew.

As the old saying says basically: 'Shame on you for fooling me the first time, shame on me for allowing myself to be fooled a second time.?
psyche101
QUOTE(skyeagle409 @ Jul 18 2006, 11:38 AM) [snapback]1273889[/snapback]

The Air Force lied for 47 years that a weather balloon was involved knowing that no weather balloon was involved and then it changed its story to that of a balloon train that never flew.

As the old saying says basically: 'Shame on you for fooling me the first time, shame on me for allowing myself to be fooled a second time.?


I try to get all the facts first time. Skeptical as I sound, I want you to make no doubt in my mind that the evidence reveals a cover-up. You have brought forward excellent points, and ones that have made me reconsider the entire case. I am pretty blunt, so I hope you know that this is some major progress for my point of view.

OK, I am getting confused. You have supplied links from roswellproof, yet these 2 roswellproof pages say the balloon flew but the Air Force lied about the trajectory.

Link One

Link 2


From Wikipedia

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Soviet atomic bomb detection, was top secret, but none of the equipment at that time was classified. Since the purpose could not be discerned from any balloon wreckage, there was no need for military secrecy surrounding the recovery of one of the balloons. A cited example was Flight #6 from June 7, which was similarly found by a rancher, who contacted Alamogordo.


So it is plausible the the information on Balloon #4 could have been deemed quite valuable, and after initial inspection, a higer level of classification was in order.
I know you have a link to an airforce flight record saying Mogul never took off, but this is getting right out of hand. There appears to be two official stories. Could you please supply that link again, I'd like another good look at those papers.
We need to determine which is the official story. Did Balloon #4 fly or not?
skyeagle409
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name='psyche101' date='Jul 18 2006, 05:32 AM' post='1274011']
I try to get all the facts first time. Skeptical as I sound, I want you to make no doubt in my mind that the evidence reveals a cover-up. You have brought forward excellent points, and ones that have made me reconsider the entire case. I am pretty blunt, so I hope you know that this is some major progress for my point of view.

OK, I am getting confused. You have supplied links from roswellproof, yet these 2 roswellproof pages say the balloon flew but the Air Force lied about the trajectory.

Link One

Link 2
From Wikipedia



So it is plausible the the information on Balloon #4 could have been deemed quite valuable, and after initial inspection, a higer level of classification was in order.
I know you have a link to an airforce flight record saying Mogul never took off,...



Let's just say I got NYU's own document that Mogul balloon flight # 4 never took off.

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but this is getting right out of hand. There appears to be two official stories. Could you please supply that link again, I'd like another good look at those papers.
We need to determine which is the official story. Did Balloon #4 fly or not?


No, Mogul balloon flight # 4 didn't fly and that is why you won't find it in the Air Force's 1994 Roswell report next to Mogul balloon flight # 5 and I might add that some researchers overlooked that fact. Only a service balloon flight was launched. Charles Moore said that Mogul balloon train # 4 was made up similar to Mogul balloon # 2. Let's take a look at some of the equipment of Mogul balloon trains that were not recovered nor identified as coming frrom the Foster ranch.

_______________________________________________________________________________

* Dribblers---not recovered nor photographed

* Parachutes---not recovered nor photographed

* 28 balloons---not recovered nor photographed

* 17.5 pound payload---not recovered nor photographed

* Ballast Tubes---not recovered nor photographed

* Radiosode---not recovered nor photographed

* Several rawin devices (not even the same models as the one photograghed in Ramey's officer) with flowered tape---not recovered nor photographed

* Yards and yards of braided line used on Mogul balloon trains---not recovered nor photographed

* Sono Buoy---not recovered nor photographed

http://members.aol.com/TPrinty/ros_fig.gif
_______________________________________________________________________________


For something that was suppose to be responsible for the Roswell incident, that is a lot of equipment that was NOT recovered on the Foster ranch. Also, I don't recall ever providing any link. I've referred to NYU's own Mogul ballooon flight data records given to me by the U.S. Air Force, something that some Roswell researchers failed to do. The simple service balloon flight resembles nothing of Mogul balloon train # 2 nor Mogu balloon train # 4.

I tend to go much deeper in research than the typical Roswell researcher.
psyche101
QUOTE(skyeagle409 @ Jul 18 2006, 03:54 PM) [snapback]1274021[/snapback]

Let's just say I got NYU's own document that Mogul balloon flight # 4 never took off.
No, Mogul balloon flight # 4 didn't fly and that is why you won't find it in the Air Force's 1994 Roswell report next to Mogul balloon flight # 5 and I might add that some researchers overlooked that fact. Only a service balloon flight was launched. Charles Moore said that Mogul balloon train # 4 was made up similar to Mogul balloon # 2. Let's take a look at some of the equipment of Mogul balloon trains that were not recovered nor identified as coming frrom the Foster ranch.

_______________________________________________________________________________

* Dribblers---not recovered nor photographed

* Parachutes---not recovered nor photographed

* 28 balloons---not recovered nor photographed

* 17.5 pound payload---not recovered nor photographed

* Ballast Tubes---not recovered nor photographed

* Radiosode---not recovered nor photographed

* Several rawin devices with flowered tape---not recovered nor photographed

* Yards and yards of braided line used on Mogul balloon trains---not recovered nor photographed

* Sono Buoy---not recovered nor photographed
_______________________________________________________________________________
And, I don't recall ever providing any link. I've referred to NYU's own Mogul ballooon flight data records given to me by the U.S. Air Force, something the some Roswell researchers failed to do.



My mistake, was it a PDF? I remember you posting that before and that it was an offical record.
skyeagle409
QUOTE(psyche101 @ Jul 18 2006, 06:15 AM) [snapback]1274035[/snapback]

My mistake, was it a PDF? I remember you posting that before and that it was an offical record.



Perhaps, you confused these links.


http://www.astro.virginia.edu/class/oconne...roswell-rep.htm

http://www.af.mil/library/roswell/
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