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Urisk
Well, there it is. Remember this is photocopied from a book, so in essence I've kinda breached copyright, so I'd rather not see this leaked onto the net (hence why I wrote on the pic!). But hey, it's a ssilly theory in my opinion, and is probably forgotten anyways... The pic pretty much explains the thory.

Enjoy.

RKD
frogfish
Squids do not have probascis, they have BEAKS. No such creature exists.

Plus, squid have 10 tentacles...Only a couple are present in the picture.
Pax Unum
I tried finding the 'Elephant Squid' but could find no reference... could you please supply a link? dontgetit.gif

BTW, Another theory is that it was in fact an elephant in the water, with only its trunk visible. Records indicate that there was a traveling circus in town the day that the famous "Surgeon's Photo" was taken...
frogfish
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BTW, Another theory is that it was in fact an elephant in the water, with only its trunk visible. Records indicate that there was a traveling circus in town the day that the famous "Surgeon's Photo" was taken...

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Urisk
QUOTE(frogfish @ May 7 2006, 05:19 PM) [snapback]1178059[/snapback]

Squids do not have probascis, they have BEAKS. No such creature exists.

Plus, squid have 10 tentacles...Only a couple are present in the picture.


It does show 8 arms, which are the correct number of arms that a squid has. Squids also have a pair of retractile tentacles which are used solely in prey capture, which in the pic would be "invisible" since they would be hidden by the mass of the other limbs. They do indeed have a beak, and a radula, which you would expect from a mollusc. The proboscis... I have absolutely no idea what he was on about (or just "on"). Never mind the fact that there are no freshwater cephs, and according to fossils (of which addmittedly there are few, since cephs are soft-bodied) there never have been, and since cephs date back the the Cambrian, it kinda argues that they can't inhabit freshwater, for one reason or another. In essence, if he'd proposed some sort of large annelid or flatworm detritivore then that would make more sense.

I've spent the last year reviewing literature regarding cephalopods, as well as observing directly specimens and live exhibits, and have come across nothing that would render this theory as even remotely plausable... It's a load of balls.

As I've said before... There is no chance that this exists, especially since it's by "Doc" Sheils...

I'll get the reference to the book tonight. You won't find anything o nthe net about it, I've looked on several occasions to try and verify it, but I'll definitely get that reference tonight!

RKD
frogfish
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As I've said before... There is no chance that this exists, especially since it's by "Doc" Sheils

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does show 8 arms, which are the correct number of arms that a squid has. Squids also have a pair of retractile tentacles which are used solely in prey capture, which in the pic would be "invisible" since they would be hidden by the mass of the other limbs.

Hard to see in the pic...

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They do indeed have a beak, and a radula, which you would expect from a mollusc. The proboscis... I have absolutely no idea what he was on about (

I could see the proboscis actually the radulla (like a cone shell's radula), but its just all wrong (physiological...wrong place..top of the head).

Indeed, he probably was ON something...

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Never mind the fact that there are no freshwater cephs

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Urisk
They're labelled Outer arms and Inner arms. grin2.gif You have to laugh at it though... especially since squids are active hunters and need to feed regularly and these squids would have to be quite big to fit in with the sightings... and since there's not a lot of productivity in the loch, that would be a lot of hungry squids swimming around! But then mibbies they go for a Mc Donalds every now and then... I hear there's a few good tearooms around the loch.

RKD
psyche101
Seeing my name up in lights w00t.gif Very Cool grin2.gif

Gosh, thanks so much for going to all the trouble of scanning a pic and all. I really appreciate it. thumbsup.gif Really enjoyed and helped being able to see what you were talking about. That sure is a quite 'out there' theory isn't it? As you say, finding refrences to this theory is somewhat more than difficult. The creature sure would have to ba a considerable size considering some reports as to the size of the neck and head.

There has been someone propose a type of flatworm beore. They say it would bury itself in the mud to ecape detection. I will look for a link.

Problem is all the stories seem to have something that conflicts. Not enough corroboration to even begin a guessing game. no.gif Shame, Nessie has such widespread fame it would be terrific if something did show up. yes.gif
robbieb
QUOTE(Pax Unum @ May 7 2006, 06:39 PM) [snapback]1178255[/snapback]

I tried finding the 'Elephant Squid' but could find no reference... could you please supply a link? dontgetit.gif

BTW, Another theory is that it was in fact an elephant in the water, with only its trunk visible. Records indicate that there was a traveling circus in town the day that the famous "Surgeon's Photo" was taken...



the seurogen photo has been debunked it was a hoax set up by the seurogen and a guy who had a grudege it was actualy a toy submarine aobut 2 inches in legenth and a fek head atached to it look it upp ull find it. as for nessie its fake its ilogical for it ot exhist. if u want me to get into it i will but for the sake of time trust me when i saw i have done alot of research on it and i have preety good proof its not real
Urisk
No offense Robbie, but I found that post a little difficult to read... could you take a little bit more time? We've got plenty much room, it's not as if it's a text message guy, but you are right about Nessie (I hate that name!) being illogical. grin2.gif
Sorry, I'm being a narky git here... anyhoo's I took the reference to that pic and here it is:


Reuben Stone (1993) Mysteries of the Unexplained, Blitz Editions (publisher), ISBN 1 85605 134 X

and the pic was on pg 9. I can't find a pic of the cover, so I think it might be out of print, but it's brown with a few snapshots on the front, including the (in)famous Surgeon's Photo and a levetating chair (telekinesis I think).

RKD

robbieb
Further preoccupation with the Loch Ness Monster was aroused by a photograph allegedly taken by surgeon R.K. Wilson on April 1 (All Fool's Day), 1934, which seemed to show a large creature with a long neck and head lifted above the water. Decades later, on March 12, 1994, Christian Spurling admitted to having faked the photo after being hired by the Daily Mail to track down Nessie (the photo had by that time been printed worldwide as "absolute evidence"). Spurling also stated that Dr. Wilson did not take the photo, and his name was only used to give an added air of credibility.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nessie
najaesouljah
it looks like someone was just drawing that for fun.
Pax Unum
it seems like a stretch, to create a new crypto to explain an old one... dontgetit.gif
Sharm
Freshwater squid? Heh, I didn't even know it exists at all.. blink.gif
frogfish
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Freshwater squid? Heh, I didn't even know it exists at all

yes.gif there are no freshwater cephalopods.
Urisk
indeed there are not, although there are species of octopus that can survive in rockpools which can vary greatly in salinity, especially when near an estuarine environment... anlothough they do not actually live in the tidal pools; they are just "visiting" to forage. original.gif

RKD
sadistic jellyfish of doom
QUOTE(Roadkill Demon @ May 7 2006, 05:23 AM) [snapback]1177825[/snapback]

Well, there it is. Remember this is photocopied from a book, so in essence I've kinda breached copyright, so I'd rather not see this leaked onto the net (hence why I wrote on the pic!). But hey, it's a ssilly theory in my opinion, and is probably forgotten anyways... The pic pretty much explains the thory.

Enjoy.

RKD

I have a strong feeling that doc shiels guy drew that at a seafood restraunt, after drinking way too much beer...

Hhahahahahhahahahhah laugh.gif laugh.gif thats the funniest thing ive ever seen! thanks roadkill demon grin2.gif
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