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Cryptomaniac
Confucius once said that "real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance".

If so, can scientist also admit the limitations of todays methods of acquiring knowledge through empiricism, experimentation, and methodological naturalism?

As millions and even billions of people all over the world continue to experience and report paranormal phenomena modern science still struggle to offer any rational explanation.

Then is this the time to question the very foundation and framework of modern science? Is this the time for a paradigm shift?

TIME FOR SOM CHANGE NOW..
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Waspie_Dwarf
In short, no. It is time to move away from superstition and continue to use scientific thought to add to the vast advances it has made over the last couple of centuries.

For the vast majority of mankinds existance belief in superstition and the paranormal dominated. Only in the last few centuries has scientific method come to dominate. It is no coincidence that mankind has made it's greatest advances in the same period of time.
Pax Unum
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In short, no. It is time to move away from superstition and continue to use scientific thought to add to the vast advances it has made over the last couple of centuries.


couldn't agree more!! thumbsup.gif
frogfish
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In short, no. It is time to move away from superstition and continue to use scientific thought to add to the vast advances it has made over the last couple of centuries.

yes.gif Amen to that.
Irish
As religion has been corrupted by power, science has been corrupted by greed!
Research for the sake of enlightenment has been replaced by research for monetary gain.
Irish
ROGER
You say that like it's a bad thing IRISH . Scientific Research that is profitable will guaranty continued funding.
Irish
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You say that like it's a bad thing IRISH . Scientific Research that is profitable will guaranty continued funding.

Unfortunately when the motive is monetary gain, the enfaces is on profit and not cures.
For instance if they even found a cure for the common cold it would have a huge impact on the drug companies in a negative financial way. It makes you wonder how much knowledge never goes further than the laboratory because it is not financially feasible to produce.
Irish
frogfish
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For instance if they even found a cure for the common cold it would have a huge impact on the drug companies in a negative financial way.

No, a cure for the common cold would make billions for drug companies...The cure would surpass all other drugs on the market in monetary gain.
Vladecu§
I'll admit that the feild of science is corrupted by the ideas of capitalism, but if people were researching stuff just to "learn" and not for monetary gain then just how ambitious would the scientists be? We are in a state today that we see if we don't get anything in return, then we don't care about it.
Cryptomaniac
Who said anyting about superstition... ? Anyway...

In short, science is in many ways bound to the ecomomical boundaries of society. If it's not profitable, it's not worth researching. As a professional scientist, this is the viewpoint of most scientists, wheter it's on a concious level or not.
Million Dollar Science is a group commited to challange modern science in areas most professional scientist wouldn't dare.

However, I do believe in today's scientific methodology. That said, it's not enough to have the right tools. Scientist need not only to reflect upon the apparent truth, but also to open their minds and use the tools they're given to ponder on whatever they can create inside their minds.

Exaggerated empirical focus would make a scientist blind. The scientists of the Million Dollar Science Group adverses that while science, philosophy and economy gradually continues to grow closer, and at the same time these three domains sort of push away the most valuable thing our minds can create. And what is the most valuable thing our mind can create, in the name of science? Undoubtley, that would be fantasy and imagination.

The grand icons of science like Einstein, Tesla and Mozart* knew how to use the almost unlimited power of mind to create any possible world. Furthermore, these individuals utilized their creativity in ways where even most scientists today fail.

This is the time for a SHIFT. Imagination in its extensive form should be included as a part of everyday science, not only as a part of art. If you argue science welcomes imagination, then you've probably havent been watching closely and experienced what science today is becoming: a profit machine that cares more about wealth than truth.

* MDS considers Mozart to be one of the greatest scientists of our time (Larn more of this at http://www.MillionDollarScience.com ).
Vladecu§
I do believe that there are some discrepancies in modern science, but they haven't been big enough to be considered false or whatever. Do I think we should go back over and fix whatever discrepancies there have been? No. In today's world everything costs money. Some of us just don't have a big enough pocket book to go back through and fix things. Humans are greedy, and they always will be.
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No, a cure for the common cold would make billions for drug companies...The cure would surpass all other drugs on the market in monetary gain.



in the short term.
Cryptomaniac
QUOTE(Vladecu§ @ May 8 2006, 09:14 PM) [snapback]1180024[/snapback]

I do believe that there are some discrepancies in modern science, but they haven't been big enough to be considered false or whatever. Do I think we should go back over and fix whatever discrepancies there have been? No. In today's world everything costs money. Some of us just don't have a big enough pocket book to go back through and fix things. Humans are greedy, and they always will be.


So there's no possibility for change huh? What an unfortunate destiny!
Waspie_Dwarf
Cryptomaniac, your posts have come peilously close to fooling foul of rule no.1 of this site:

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No spam - What constitutes spam includes the following: using the forum to post advertisements for unrelated websites, products or services, posting on the forum primarily for the purpose of advertising a website, product or service, posting large numbers of one worded posts or posts containing large empty spaces, starting multiple identical topics or posting solely to display/advertise a signature link.


Secondly on checking the link it seems to me to be just another paranormal news site. I see no reason why this thread should be in the Science Forum when the site you are liniked to is more a paranormal site. I am moving it to the Metaphysics Forum, although in truth it could go into many of the forums on this site.
L815
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I'll admit that the feild of science is corrupted by the ideas of capitalism, but if people were researching stuff just to "learn" and not for monetary gain then just how ambitious would the scientists be? We are in a state today that we see if we don't get anything in return, then we don't care about it.


Not always true. What many people find so much greatness in, in America, is the fact of doing what you want to do as a career. I'm sure if you ask majority of the scientists, they enjoy the job which invloves a lot of interesting experiences. Now, not all projects may be ambitiously fonded over, although, it is their job.

Why bother with years of college only to become a scientists who has no motivation for what he/she is doing?
donrobison
What is corrupt about scientists wanting to make money? Everyone else gets the luxury. Are you really proposing we have an enslaved science cast? scientists invent things people demand, and anything that has demand also has a price on the open market. Stop the cynicism.
Bio-Mage
Another thread to indicate todays lazy attitude towards science. The truth is that some people are incapable of accepting the barriers it poses to their own perception of the world and so they venture on to disprove it.

Alternative science does not exist, because it is not science. It is a conception based solely on conjecture and belief and as such it has no real standing as a legitimate practice.
Blizno
QUOTE(Vladecu§ @ May 8 2006, 04:01 PM) [snapback]1180012[/snapback]

I'll admit that the feild of science is corrupted by the ideas of capitalism, but if people were researching stuff just to "learn" and not for monetary gain then just how ambitious would the scientists be? We are in a state today that we see if we don't get anything in return, then we don't care about it.


Nonsense. Almost all of deep-space science is done from curiosity, not from expectation of monetary gain. How much money will be made by discovering what happened during the first few fractions of a second of the Universe? None. What's the payoff of discovering earlier and earlier humanoid ancestors? A lot of science is done for monetary gain. A lot is done only out of curiosity.
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