Kismit
Oct 3 2003, 09:13 PM
I have posted this in another thread , but seeing as a little interest was shown on the subject I thought I would put it up as a topic of it's own ...
Well basically I was haniging around looking for something to do during the recent down time experienced by the board when I found a story on one of our links about a man called John Titior who claimed to be a soldier from the year 2036 who has been posting about his experiences in paranormal and space related chat rooms . I read through it expecting to find references to "come with me if you want to live " and " I'll be back" but found nothing .
So I decided to run a search and I found transcripts to an IRC chat John Titor had under the name of TimeTraveller00 .. Has anybody actually come across this guy in there travels on the net ?
LINK here you will find some pictures posted by the man himself of his alleged time machine complete with owners manual ...
Another link is that a delorian ?
Cufflink
Oct 3 2003, 09:23 PM
It sounds like the man is either a self-deluded fantasist (like all those vampires out there), or a serious wind-up merchant.
The most amazing aspect of the story is that someone has gone to the trouble of recording what he's been saying on that website. The guy's ego must be huge.
sarkypi
Oct 3 2003, 09:44 PM
For a time traveller he seems kinda of dull. And if he's crazy, I met crazier people with more creative imagination. Myself included
snuffypuffer
Oct 4 2003, 01:36 AM
If this guy's really from the future, why's he just hacking around in webforums? Seems he'd be trying to contact people who could actually do something. He's obviously looking for attention, or he wouldn't be posting, why not try getting on the news? Unless he's afraid of being found out as a fraud.
Benjo Koolzooie
Oct 4 2003, 06:31 AM
| QUOTE (snuffypuffer @ Oct 4 2003, 01:36 AM) |
If this guy's really from the future, why's he just hacking around in webforums? Seems he'd be trying to contact people who could actually do something. He's obviously looking for attention, or he wouldn't be posting, why not try getting on the news? Unless he's afraid of being found out as a fraud.
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Well, I don't know if you read all the information, but he claims that he wasn't here to get attention of prove anything. He says that all he wanted to do was make conversastion with people that was "in the past", and the reason he went to a paranormal chat/website is because people there woud be more open minded, so he thought. he also says in response to the same question somewhere something along the lines of: "Why do you feel that people from your time have nothing of importance to say to some one from the future?"
He wasn't after attention he claims, and why would he go on the news if he is on a secret time travel mission?? Plus besides going on the news would mean he was going after even more attention.
He said that if people didn't believe him he didn't care, all he wanted to do was try talking to people from this time, and share it with us.
For a time traveller he seems rather dull?? What do you expect them to be like can I ask? I have a friend that I contact over the net that uses the exact kind of typing as him, very formal like, and he is far from dull in anycase. Also on a side note, if he was acting all crazy, then that would seem he would be out for attention. I know aload of people that claim to be crazy when they aren't, all they are after is attention.
Again, he didn't ask anyone to save all his postings on a website, the person that made the site did that at their own free will.
I am not saying he is real, or fake. But I am saying that if this is a hoax its a good one.
Two things I think seem weird however: Why would you name yourself "TimeTraveller00" or whatever in a chat room, if you was one? It seems abit, fishy for some reason. The second thing is, if he just uploaded those pictures of the "time machine" at his own will, then it would seem like he was trying to get people to believe him, by prooving he had pics, it would be like he was after attention. However if people asked for pictures, then he said he had some and shown them, it wouldn't seem as if he was after attention, but was just responding to some ones question.
snuffypuffer
Oct 4 2003, 02:00 PM
Okay Benjo, you got me, I didn't read the whole article, and I probably won't. I read just enough of it to get the sense that this is a bunch of bs. I mean, if you're on a top secret mission from the future why would you tell anyone about it. Then again, the best way to hide something is right out in the open, I mean, who's gonna believe him anyway, right? But then he tries posting pictures of some gadgets in his car as "proof", which takes him right back to being fishy. And posting as TimeTraveller00, why not just John or something. sounds like a well orchestrated hoax to me.
Benjo Koolzooie
Oct 4 2003, 02:04 PM
Snuffy, your above post is what I have said also. Like I say, there is parts that seem, as we say fishy.
Halo_Jones
Oct 4 2003, 02:20 PM
Hmm well I like to remain open minded to this as I'v read quite a bit about this guy now and there seems to be something about him which makes me want to know more. His recorded chat is intresting as he does not come across as an attention seeker as he has no worries if anyone wants to believe him or not..it's more like he's intrested in the people he's talking to. He finds us intresting because we, in his lifetime are responsible for destroying the world as we know it. He answers all the questions set to him by the other users intelligently, without sarcasm and convincingly IMHO. I definetly will be looking out for more info on this guy.
Benjo Koolzooie
Oct 4 2003, 02:23 PM
Yes Halo I agree. I want to know more too, it is intresting. Then there are parts that seem, strange.
But I am open to it. I ain't saying it is a hoax , or not one, i remain in the middle.
Engulf
Oct 4 2003, 06:57 PM
Yes Halo and Benjo,i'm with you two.whether it's a typical hoax or whatever it is but if i was one of the chatters at that time,i'd definitely be convinced by what he's saying.It's just that he's so.....how do you say it,just so.......well prepared?i dunno how do you say it,like what you've stated Halo,he's answering all of the questions so convincingly and just without any hesitation or slight misintepretation on anything.Moreover it,i'm also a strong believer in time-travelling in the future so this is just great.
Phantom
Oct 4 2003, 08:12 PM
This guy's a phenomenon. Surfed the web intensively and found no proof at all of him being a hoax.
Among others, there is this website about him :
http://www.johntitor.com that has recorded some predictions of John.
Somehow, it does give me chills...
Cufflink
Oct 4 2003, 08:39 PM
Thanks for the link, Phantom. You've helped strengthen my conviction that the man is a very good liar, who revels in an anti-federal US future fantasy.
Listening to the slant in his message is very similar to that anti-US government stuff we've had on the conspiracy pages of late.
Whether this man is just lost permanently to his own fantasies, or whether he's a very clever guy who gets off on yanking people's chains, I don't know. But if he's trying to tell us that twenty years after all our industrial power bases (and the scientists, engineers and databases) are blown away, time travel will be a piece of cake, I'm very very doubtful.
Phantom
Oct 4 2003, 08:45 PM
Cufflink, make sure you read all of the posts this guy has made. If he in fact
is a liar, he sure has done his homework.
Again, reading it gives me chills... And that, in its own, is an achievement...
Kryso
Oct 4 2003, 11:40 PM
The site Phantom posted was interesting. But I don’t believe he’s a time traveller, more like an obsessive.
Firstly he tells of a military unit, even provides the logo! Do you think that a secret military unit would allow for him to post this information, if they existed? And allow him to even show the manual to this time machine?
Which brings me to another point. You actually seen this machine, the photos posted on Phantoms provided site? It looks to me to be the sort of person that’s fantasized about this for to long, and something’s clicked, and he really does believe he’s from the future! But the machine looks to put together for me, for a 2036 machine that is. And from the diagrams of the machine they look very impressive, until you see the seat he sits in, with stickers explaining what’s what, and little wires! Looks to Junkyard Challenge to me!
To me he’s like the old Dr Who fans you use to get, who even go as far as to build a replica of the Tardis. He’s simply a hamper, sandwiches, cloth, cutlery, drinks, short of a picnic.
And obsessive liars, who become so engrossed in their own lives and little world, can sound convincing, because they honestly do believe it themselves.
sarkypi
Oct 5 2003, 02:48 AM
| QUOTE (Kryso @ Oct 4 2003, 11:40 PM) |
| To me he’s like the old Dr Who fans you use to get, who even go as far as to build a replica of the Tardis. |
| QUOTE |
| For a time traveller he seems rather dull?? What do you expect them to be like can I ask? I have a friend that I contact over the net that uses the exact kind of typing as him, very formal like, and he is far from dull in anycase. Also on a side note, if he was acting all crazy, then that would seem he would be out for attention. I know aload of people that claim to be crazy when they aren't, all they are after is attention. |
Since he had nothing to say it was dull. And like Snuffy, I did not read the whole thing, and probably won't. There's enough verbal diarrhea, in some of the threads on this forum. Being that I think he is probably lying, I find him uncreative. Has nothing to do with being formal. Also, I think he is acting all crazy. Just cause he says he's not out to get attention does not mean he not. Also people claiming to be crazy when they aren't are out to get attention, and sometimes they are making
jokes, usually u can tell. Especially, when they put little smilie faces next to their post like this
or this.
spyro_86
Oct 5 2003, 04:10 AM
Is this his too?
Dimensional Warp Generator Needed
by Anonymous
I'm a time traveler stuck here in 2003. Upon arriving here my dimensional warp generator stopped working. I trusted a company here by the name of LLC Lasers to repair my Generation 3 52 4350A watch unit, and they fled on me. I am going to need a new DWG unit, preferably the rechargeable AMD wrist watch model with the GRC79 induction motor, four I80200 warp stabilizers, 512GB of SRAM and the menu driven GUI with front panel XID display. I will take whatever model you have in stock, as long as its received certification for being safe on carbon based life forms.
In terms of payment: I don't have any Galactic Credits left. Payment can be made in platinum gold or 2003 currency upon safe delivery of unit.
INSTRUCTIONS MUST BE FOLLOWED EXACTLY:
Please transport unit in either a brown paper bag or box to below coordinates on Wednesday, August 6th at (exactly 5:00 p.m.) Eastern Standard Time on the dot. A few minutes prior will be ok, but it cannot be after. If you miss this timeframe please email me. I will not be there prior to 4:45 p.m. EST, so do not transport before then.
Item is to be delivered at (out of service tennis court) located at: Latitude N 42.47935 & Longitude W 071.17355 and the Elevation is 119.
WARNING: DO NOT ATTEMPT TO TRANSPORT ITEM BY REGULAR MEANS OF TELEPORTATION. THEY ARE MONITORING AND WILL REDIRECT THE SIGNAL!!
I DO NOT CARE HOW YOU HAVE TO GET IT HERE, JUST DO IT IN A WAY THAT NO SPYING EYES WILL POSSIBLY BE ABLE TO REDIRECT THE TRANSFERENCE. IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT YOU BE ABLE TO MONITOR THE TRANSFER.
HOW ARE YOU GOING TO SEND IT SO THAT THEY CANNOT REDIRECT IT??? If in doubt do not transport actual unit until your method of transfer can be confirmed as a success. You just might need to send a intergalactic courier to deliver item safely to me. If so be VERY careful at how they approach me IN MY WHITE CAR.
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Phantom
Oct 5 2003, 04:47 AM
Spyro, it's not. That one
has been proven a hoax. Try your basis Google search and you'll see...
GreyFoxSolid
Oct 5 2003, 05:37 AM
The part that gets me is all the knowledge. His explanation of how time travels fundamentals worked made perfect sense to me. As a matter of fact, I'm going to give this information to some teachers I know and see what they have to say about it.
Magikman
Oct 5 2003, 06:33 AM
Hmmmmm..........Great link & story Kismit, but you guys didn't go far enough into the threads on the 'time traveler' forum to see this;
CLICK HERE 
| QUOTE |
| The part that gets me is all the knowledge. His explanation of how time travels fundamentals worked made perfect sense to me. |
Maybe to you GreyFox, but not to someone well versed in physics. A Dr. Robert Brown pretty much shreads Titor's time travel expertise in this post;
CLICK HERE
sarkypi
Oct 5 2003, 06:54 AM
| QUOTE (Magikman @ Oct 5 2003, 06:33 AM) |
Hmmmmm..........Great link & story Kismit, but you guys didn't go far enough into the threads on the 'time traveler' forum to see this;
CLICK HERE
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Benjo Koolzooie
Oct 5 2003, 07:26 AM
| QUOTE (sarkypi @ Oct 5 2003, 02:48 AM) |
Since he had nothing to say it was dull. And like Snuffy, I did not read the whole thing, and probably won't. There's enough verbal diarrhea, in some of the threads on this forum. Being that I think he is probably lying, I find him uncreative. |
Verbal diarrhea, yeah I agree with that.
But the point you are missing is, just because he seemed dull and "uncreative" doesn't mean
was is a fake?? He might not have any reason to create things and make things up?
Yes he appears to be an hoax. But all I am doing is helping create a discussion.
Kismit
Oct 5 2003, 08:03 AM
Ahh I new you were quiet for a reason Magik , nice links ..
Still it's a pretty good story isn't it ?
Engulf
Oct 5 2003, 09:22 AM
It's a fake?argh
sarkypi
Oct 5 2003, 09:52 AM
I don't think I was missing the point Benjo...
I never said he is fake because he was dull, or that he was dull because he was formal.
I think he is dull because he is uncreative.
I think he is fake because it reads like verbal diarrhea.
It reads like that 9 page monster started by kimm, and it makes my brain hurt.
I did not go out of my way to really explain myself 'cause I think the fact it was verbal diarrhea was obvious...
Oh and I understand about making conversation....
I'm doing that too
Halo_Jones
Oct 5 2003, 10:09 AM
Hmmm I'v read the link MM gave and it seems this discussion could go on and on.I also agree with Benjo the point being there was somthing about the way he wrote that got you thinking and he had a quality about his writing which made alot of people take notice and has spurred on countless discussions. I for one do not think it has reached a conclusion and don't really think it will untill 2005 when we sit at home waiting for news on the Civil war in America.
snuffypuffer
Oct 5 2003, 01:09 PM
There is just something that strikes me as terribly wrong with this guy's story. And for what it's worth, Halo, I've met some serious nutcases in my time, and they all have a way coming across as very convincing, until you start to dig a little bit. That's how people start cults. I think this guy simply took notice of some trends in current events going on, and built himself a little fantasy world around it. I'm sorry but I still don't buy it, and I don't think I ever will.
Benjo Koolzooie
Oct 5 2003, 02:03 PM
Let's all wait till 2005!?
Halo_Jones
Oct 5 2003, 03:02 PM
Benjo Koolzooie
Oct 5 2003, 03:10 PM
| QUOTE (Halo_Jones @ Oct 5 2003, 03:02 PM) |
| Benjo it looks like it'll be just you and me in the bomb shelter in 2015 shouting "We told you so!" |
Looks that way doesn't it!?
Phantom
Oct 5 2003, 05:54 PM
I for one am relieved and have reacquired the desire of having children...
Kryso
Oct 7 2003, 01:28 AM
This is an advertisement someone actually put in a paper! Shows that some people really do believe… I wonder if anyone answered? And if so, wonder where they are now? Possibly sat in his basement making funny noises and pulling joysticks and flicking buttons, and bouncing up and down. With him mom shouting down the stairs:
Mom: “Want some pizza, honey?”
Crazy Son: “Mom, I’m 2,000 years in the future, can’t you wait till I get back?”
Person who answered advert: “You tell her captain! Brrrrr, (bounces up and down in seat) mind the astral project relay switch, it looks like its getting hot!”
Mom: “Ok sweetypie.”
Person who answered advert: “Want me to zap her again with the stun gun I brought along with me?”
Kismit
Oct 7 2003, 01:45 AM
That's hillarius , I would want to be paid before we left though
Benjo Koolzooie
Oct 7 2003, 02:48 PM
| QUOTE (Kismit @ Oct 7 2003, 01:45 AM) |
| That's hillarius , I would want to be paid before we left though |
Me too, get the money, then leave that fruitcakes house as soon as I had it.
GreyFoxSolid
Oct 12 2003, 04:58 PM
I have a question....this whole essay written by Dr. Robert....can any of you prove that what he said is right? Do any of you know what he is talking about?
Im not trying to hold on to the feeling of truth in John's story, but all Im saying is this: Wait until CERN doesn't discover such things a year from now.
zgrav
Dec 4 2003, 03:15 PM
The other point I like to ponder about nailing JT for his scientific shortcomings is this:
"and all this science, I don't understand,
it's just a job, 5 days a week...."
It's not the inventors that get sent back in time, it's the soldiers. I doubt if our soldiers could provide a very detailed explanation of how the imaging systems work in the visor displays, or why the design of a stealth bomber makes it more difficult to detect on a radar.
There were, for me, lots of rough edges in Titor's claims -- particularly when seeing other sites point out his statements that implied some foreknowledge of the shuttle crash during its landing approach, the military application of the Segway, and some breakthroughs at CERN. Given that a google search only found recent web postings that accepted at face value the claim that these remarks were made in 200-01, I was tempted to conclude that part of the hoax was releasing something now that only claimed to be authored in 2000. But the logs on the links at anomalies.net sure look like they were started when claimed.
One guy has even filed something with the US copyright office in May 2003 to "prove" that Titor's predictions about the upcoming years were fixed by that point:
http://johntitor.strategicbrains.com/Copyr...yrightProof.cfmThought provoking and entertaining.
PsychicPenguin
Dec 7 2003, 01:39 AM
In the year 2000 there was a deep concern in the scientific comunity about the experiment planned to take place in CERN. The concern is that the experiment can possibly produced a black hole, and suck the entire earth into it (eg: doomsday). Apparently John Titor knew about this issue and made this whole story arround it.
Now in 2003, CERN has not produced the microsingularities yet. John said that it is supposed to take place in 2001 (a very clever prediction considering the experiment will take place in 2000). So sorry everyone, he is not a time traveller.
babyforrest
Dec 7 2003, 03:15 AM
I read all of the story on the link. Now my eyes have gone funny.
Seriously, though, why was there no mention or reference to September 11? You'd think he'd have said "In 2001 something big will happen in the US and that is nothing compared to what happens in 2005." Am I wrong, or was there no reference at all to the WTC? Seems odd. He made reference to the Y2K bug that never happened, but the WTC attacks that would happen in 8 short months he makes no reference to? Yeah, he's for real. Not.
I wonder if he went to visit himself before he went back.
There were parts of his story where he said that the war starts in 2004, and then he says several times that it starts in 2005. He said that basically all of the people in the US would be wiped out (he strangely knew nothing of Canada, though) but later he said only 130 million would die. That's not even half. He also said that both his parents were alive and well (not bloody likely after that kind of tragedy).
And another thing. He said that the climate was cooler than it is now. So much for global warming. Radiation and smoke from explosions must be better for the ozone than we know. He also said that the glaciers were melting at the same rate in 2036 as they are now. If it is colder and global warming is no longer a problem, why are they still melting?
At first I was a little freaked out by reading this, but I slowly started to smell a rat. If bombs do start to be dropped on US soil, I will head down to South America like he said. But until then,
zgrav
Dec 8 2003, 05:14 PM
more interesting stuff on Segway that brings to mind Titor's prediction that this "became" a military item:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/34397.html
babyforrest
Dec 8 2003, 05:37 PM
I had some more questions about John Titor. Why did he return to both the 1970's and 2000? He said that it was so he could get some computer information to help the computers of the future, but if he has a working time machine, shouldn't they already know much more than we do about electronics?
Also (get ready for this one) he said that he knew that if the bombing of Pearl Harbour was prevented, that Hitler would have invented the A bomb and that is the worst thing that could possibly have happened. BUT... how did he know this? Did he go back in time and somehow stop the bombing, and watched the consequences? If he wanted to help why didn't he just go further back in time and blow a young Hitler's brains out before he hit puberty? Why was he only interested in the US being safe?
AND if he did go back in time and stop the bombings, and realized how bad it was for the rest of the world, how did he reverse what he had done? (I have given a lot of thought to time travel in the past) Did he go back in time to the day he went back in time originally and tell himself not to go? And how did he know the horror that would take place if he stopped the bombing if most of the world was distroyed? If he went back to the future after he fixed the bombing situation and the world was a very different place, then his time machine probably would never have been built (are you still with me?) and therefore he would not have been able to get back to the future.
I hope that made sense to everyone.
zgrav
Dec 8 2003, 08:27 PM
I enjoyed Titor's explanations of how there are multiple universes, with everything apparently radiating out from the big bang with more divergent realities as the universe expands. And if that is not exactly what he said, it is my attempt to understand whatever he said. Isn't it just all speculation, anyway?
So I give Titor credit for simply asserting that he managed to go back in time to a different world that was only about 2% divergent from his own. So he can screw around with our future if he changes things now without messing up his own.
He posed the question to the readers -- and asked why society did not think it was unusual that no Y2K disasters took place. Almost as if we should have wondered if some outside group was responsible for either bringing the potential problem to everyone's attention, or doing something else that averted a disaster.
babyforrest
Dec 8 2003, 08:42 PM
I thought that no Y2K disasters took place because all of the computer chips in our electronics were fixed before the clock struck midnight. The Y2K panic was a result of mass hysteria. People were afraid of planes falling out of the sky and such, but I'm sure that the planes would not have been allowed to leave the ground unless they were 100% positive that nothing would happen. But that does not answer my question about why did he comment on something big in the news that had just recently occurred, while leaving alone completely an astronomically bigger event that was going to take place in a matter of 8 months. He talks about this war that will take place in the coming years, but why did he not mention the WTC? I'm sorry, but there's something fishy about that.
PsychicPenguin
Dec 9 2003, 04:21 AM
Also, one funny thing about the 2036 UNIX bug. There is a known bug, similar to Y2K that will affect UNIX platforms (including mine). This bug is specific to UNIX on 32-bit machines only. So here comes the real problem. Today most UNIX are running on 64 bits architecture. Only Linux and BSD (and the x86 version of Solaris) currently still running on 32-bit platform (and most hackers will tell you that Linux is not UNIX).
So the 2036 UNIX bug is virtually non-existent. It is just something he made so that computer-illiterate people, searching the internet, will stumble upon the Y2K36 UNIX bug and think that Titor was right. Off course the 64-bit doesn't matter for non-hackers, as most PC today are 32-bit. Intel just launched their new 64-bit processor, not many people are using them right now. But they are for Windows, not UNIX, which has been running on 64-bit systems for so many years.
Did Titor refer to Linux? Very unlikely, as Linux is very easy to fix by a software engineer. Also a workarround of this problem has been proposed, and it is very simple (just change one line in the code). John Titor doesn't make any sense here. Trust me on this one (check my avatar)
babyforrest
Dec 9 2003, 01:42 PM
I am computer illiterate so I never would have picked up on that one. Thanks Penguin! He's just trying to scare everyone like the Y2K bug did, making everyone buy lots of food and water. Odds are he works for a bicycle manufacturer or something. He also said that we, in this generation are not well liked because we are lazy. Is there a generation that we can say that we don't like? The 70's maybe with all the hippies, but would you really say that nobody likes them? I wouldn't. Every generation is different because of different factors.
Athlon64
Dec 10 2003, 03:04 PM
Just a quick note to say that the attacks on the World Trade Centre towers occurred ONE YEAR and eight months after the Y2K bug was predicted to strike (which was the rollover from 1999 December 31 to 2000 January 1).
babyforrest
Dec 10 2003, 07:12 PM
I know it was 1 year and 8 months after Y2K, but it was 8 months after he stopped posting on the internet. He was closer to the WTC attacks than he was to the bug.
If the man comes from a world that has a working time machine and complete knowledge of not only other universes that are exactly like our own but how to enter them and mess around with history, they why doesn't he have the technology that can fix the friggin' computers 30 years in the future? Why is it that we have the answers that he does not? We don't even have a prototype for a time machine! If the world is so ravaged by war, how is it that his world was able to get this advanced in technology? The more I think about this guy the more annoyed I get by him.
Mekorig
Dec 10 2003, 08:35 PM
WW3, USa civil war, EU and China out bue....WHAT HAPPENS TO ARGENTINA!!!???
Its like all the Westaern movies....the world is destoyed, but in South America nothing happens....
babyforrest
Dec 10 2003, 10:38 PM
This guy claims to know nothing of Canada, so fat chance he knows anything about Argentina. I mean, come on! Canada is right next freakin' door to America. In a disaster like the one he discribed, you'd think that he'd know how Canada's doing. I know Americans don't know now how we're doing up here, but after that kind of global horror, it's just silly not to know.
Athlon64
Dec 11 2003, 10:12 AM
Sorry BF, I misinterpreted your post about the Y2K bug.
PsychicPenguin
Dec 11 2003, 10:36 PM
| QUOTE (Mekorig @ Dec 10 2003, 07:35 PM) |
WW3, USa civil war, EU and China out bue....WHAT HAPPENS TO ARGENTINA!!!???
Its like all the Westaern movies....the world is destoyed, but in South America nothing happens.... |
It happened in all prophecies. South America is one of the safest place during the apocalypse. I'm heading there.
chau
peacelover
Dec 14 2003, 10:24 PM
Dear Mr. Titor: Good afternoon. Thank you for your interesting information. I read each link. Certainly seems intriquing. Also seems to be possible, but in true reality, I don't know. (At least not yet) Also seems a little like the time travel machine of the movie "Contact". How much of this information has been taken from Carl Sagen? Or from Stephen Hawkins? In the first link there was a question that YAR was asking of TimeTraveler. Timetraveler seemed to ignore the question and instead followed with an interruption from his Father.
By the way where is the Grandfather? Who is the Grandfather?
If TimeTraveler had simply answered the question, I might have believed completely.
Who is TimeTraveler's Father?
What other information do you have to this?
I think that I am still a bit of a skeptic. I am looking for the real truth. I am looking for the true realities.
Thanks for the story though. It was interesting.
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