How many different species of animals , birds & insects there are?

Why would God spend a lil time creating every last animal known to man. including under the sea to the land and the sky above … Why would he go to all of that trouble and not do it the lazy way like he is supposed to have done with humans and just create, two insects, two reptiles, two animals, two birds and so on and let them live for hundreds of years breeding and breeding?

This is exactly why I don’t believe we came from Adam & Eve..cuz there are so many different races of humans…but there are more different species of animals, birds, insects, fish ect more than either of you can comprehend and as we speak there are more weird species breeding…it’s the same with bacteria…if you where to leave something to sit out for several months..the amount of different living germs is unbelievable that form from that one piece of rotten food…this is a FACT…so it’s beyond me how anyone cant understand this

Can anyone try and explain as to WHY God would spend more time making so so many different living creatures known to man…and only spend a lil time making man himself and did it the lazy way?? After all isnt he more powerful..wouldn't it have been a lot eaiser to create more and more humans?
And if you believe it to be so…forget the bible for a sec, what are your very own personal opinions on how it all really worked?....REMEMBER I did say FORGET there is a bible….PRETEND that you don’t know about God…just for the purpose of this thread…and you find yourself wondering how every last living creature came about…and you wonder…how did this really happen…..then someone says…there is a supreme being..known as God….he created man but let that one man and his wife to breed for nearly a thousand years…but this supreme being…took the time and created all the living creatures you see before you….

Tell me something would that add up to you??? Then you hear about evolution…and it says differently…you know that living things can form from bacteria. you hear all about it…so then what??? …What now??


Remember I said PRETEND for the purpose of this thread……if you cant do that and say ohh the bible this and that…frankly your answer would therefore be useless for this topic…

watch it now... you might be poking someone you shouln't be poking...

anyway, we know for a FACT, that we derive from bacteria formed on earth a loooooong time ago, so why all this nonesense about god doing this, god doing that...

let me ask you something... apparently, god does everything for a purpose, I'm told. Then what are we supposed to use EVERYTHING around the planet earth for?

What about space? what about the TRILLIONS of other galaxies out there? What are they for? What about ALL the other planets and stuff like that, that we already KNOW was formed by gravity, rocks, gasses and so on...

Is it me, or does the bible/god/the almight invisible man not explain this?

Tell me something I DONT already know.......I KNOW we evolved sunshine...I wanted to hear what the religious folks have to say

I have brought this up many times before. There are two "creations" in Genesis. In chapter one, mankind is created on the sixth day "male and female created he them". In the second chapter he makes Adam and Eve, the earliest recognizable ancestors of the Jews. Don't worry, even Jews don't follow this one.

see, once again you should open your eyes to what it really says... The reply wasn't for you, it was for the other people on this thread... I know you know this... jeez

Open what now thats weird cuz you seemed to have written it right under my opening post and you say.....ahem.......EXIBIT A -
Let me ask YOU something...who the heck else where YOU talking to LMAO what you didn't say was...Let me ask you ALL something (meaning religious folks cuz that who the thread is aimed at) <--NAW you didnt put that

There is nothing scriptural to say He did not create two of every species in the beginning and they pro-created from that point on some continued and adapted and some became extinct. Creation it self was completed on the sixth day (whatever you believe defined a day) and from then on it was pro-creation of the individual species. And if you accept the bible literally it was reduced once again to two of each species during the diluvium flood other than Noah and his family.
Irish

On the 6th day...so one of those days could have been like a million years in god days??

Irish I wanted you and everyone else to pretend there is no bible and share thoughts on how you personally would see it

After Adam and Eve ate from the Tree of Knowledge he cast them out of the garden. Where they proceded to have two children. Cain, and Able, Cain rose up against Able and slew him. A story we all know well. Now lets see what happens next.

15. And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken onhim seven fold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
16. And Cain went out from the presence of the Lord, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden.
17. And cain knew his wife; and she conceived, and bare Enoch: and he builded a city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch.

By reading this passages, we can use common deductive reasoning to conclude that God had made other humans outside of "the presence of the Lord."

It is also common belief, that the way the bible says Adam and Eve were created, then the way they ate from the Tree of Knowledge is, if not completely, symbolic.

Good post, BM. I also want to know why in the heck would god create 350,000 and counting different species of beetles? Were beetles that fascinating?

Indeed why so many .

Also why extinction ,if god knows all his creations and knows what they will do and what will become of them surely following that logic he would see that they will in time become extinct so why create them just to die out ? Unless we include Evolution as a factor ,Do we ?

I think that that was the mening why God created everything this way, because he wanted to check if we realy (without any but or why) belived in him.

Maybe it is because 'the higher order at work'(God's new name ) is in a perpetual state of creating, and not dictating.

Initial creation itself was an event that was completed, finished, done on the sixth day. Like a precision time piece once it was completed it was designed to run continuously. (Thanks Geri! Now Mako is making me a ‘welcome to the Deist club’ banner) the manner that it runs now is pro-creation of all species. And as God is not limited to time itself I believe the 6 days of creation was a metaphor for mans understanding of measure and more for the understanding of order of creation.
Remember you asked me not to use the bible, this time to support my belief, so I will try to reason based on the outlined structure given by the scriptures.

What I am getting at is that perhaps, and I state again its just my thoughts, An all knowing position would not have any personal challenges But an omnipotent God has the ability to accomplish anything why would He not challenge Himself by adding randomness to His creation purely for the entertainment factor. I once new an elderly man that built grandfather clocks who shared with me that he added extra unneeded components to make the clocks more interesting and unique.

Since God created man in His image perhaps there are clues to the original creation process in our own abilities to reason. If I was in a state of all knowing I would conceive randomness in the equation maybe just for the personal challenge of it. As for Noah’s actions with the ark, someday I want to ask him “Why two mosquitoes, what were you thinking fella ‘smack’?”

I could be wrong in my discernment of scripture but that is what allows us dialog and contemplations and that is what study is all about.
It might well be my conclusion of events as others might disagree with me. If it was all black and white we would have no need to discus it.

All The Best Irish

GOd is great, i really belive that he made this place threw few humans down, he comes by like once every few thousand years toses us a prophet/son and a book, and than leaves forgets about us, comes back few houndred years later gives us another prophet and because he forgot that we already had one we get more than one religion yeeeeeeyyyyyyy

as for species, lets just say god likes to make things, lol, so he makes them than kills them(Dinos) and so on

So far including the above post noone has noticed the real point of this thread...I said PRETEND you havent heard of the bible...and yet a lot of you ref the bible

it shows how as a humanity we don't think for ourselves, that the only possible explination for all the species is biblical...I would say diversity,supports life it is interesting how everything does something contributes to the whole in some way including the smallest of the microbes...actually biosphere II failed because of that geri you may be interested in that it is along the lines of your question..did you here of it????? You are sure growing my friend its great to watch you open and flower returning to your true self

No sheri I haven't heard of it???

See when I made this thread I CLEARY said PRETEND you ALL havent heard of the bible/God ect...GIVE ME YOUR PERSONALL OPINION...what did they do??? they all went straight to the freaking book .....and you wonder why I smoke

*reaches for ciggys...I must not give in I must not give in accccccccccckkkk**

Ok listern up $20 goes to the next poster that can get to the actual point of this thread and use their OWN imagination and not ref to the bible or God...*bite lip accckkk*

Your question was.....


So why would you mention God in your question if we can't talk about him in our reply?

And unless you can show me where I quoted the bible directly in my replies I shall await my $20. or send us a pint of Smithwicks I realize I am old but even Mako was not there when it happened believe it or not. Even imagination has to have some foundation in belief.
Irish

I mentioned God Yes...but then I asked the question..and I asked those of you to pretend they dont know God or the bible and put their own personal opinions...thats what I wanted to see...so umm you dont get the $20 LOL

You would need some religious perspective to answer your question put that way, if one believed in evolution they could not give an answer. So is my pint on the way.

Here is what I meant...I'll pretend I haven't heard of the bible....and I am looking all around me and I ask myself...whaere has it all came from?? How did it all atart???
Someone tries to tell me that all living things you see before you all evolved...and it happened over a period of billions of years.....then another person says...that they personally think there must be a higher being...that higher being must of created all of this....so then I think...who could be right???baring in mind the only thing I am told about this magic being is that he is magic and has power...thats all I am NOT told he is God..cuz I havent heard of God (see what I am getting at?) so I have a long hard think of it and I think it has to be that every thing evolved over a long period...because I dont believe there is such a magical being that is all powerful...as I cant see this being...so me personally would think it all evolved


Now others might say...well if they where in the same situation...some might say..they would think along the lines of a higher being that did it as if it where all magic.......see where I am coming from??

I just wanted people to take a long hard think about it...and forget their bible ever existed

Here is another idea...lets say NO ONE came and told you anything or gave you any clue as to how it all happened...................what would spring to your mind??? Now thats a good question to ask What do you think Irish?

I am looking at the computer in front of me and guessing that it has several thousand components each with a purpose and design. Because of this I can not deny it had a creator. Then I look at my own hand and realize it has more than a million components (cellular to muscular) and understand that it too had a creator with a purpose.
Then i would apply this reasoning to things around me and start asking the question who is our creator and why can I not see or hear him/her, asking what is the problem here?
Now do I get my Beer?
Irish

Hows about a pint of Guinness???

Everything does have a creator...but it was God that created the bacteria from which we all evolved from IMO

Soooooooooo I too get a drink

Heck, I'll say whatever you want for a pint of Guinness!

WITHOUT MENTIONING GOD......


This planet of ours would be pretty dam boring if there was only a select few types of animals.

EVERY SINGLE living this on this Earth wether it be plant, human or animal has a unique purpose.

Every bug and creature take care of the 'house work' for their environment, nothing goes to waste. If an animal dies in the desert, jungle, in the ocean or where ever, there is always a 'cleanup crew' of bugs and other animals.

Some insects, or animals might be here purely for food resources for either human or other animals.

So I'd say that we NEED all these types of species of animals and insects.

I wouldn't say that making a human is 'lazy' we appear to be far more complicated than animals, plus there can be only one main dominate creature on a planet or else most hopes for peace would be totally trashed because there would be a constant struggle for power and control. Even though we already experience this with humans alone, it would be a whole new ball game if we included other 'species' to contend with. And why should we have to contend with 'other' species, I believe this planet Earth IS FOR US, it is for HUMANS.

Just my thoughts......

Your purpose is to survive and procreate
Your creators were your parents

Why must complexity need a creator?

You are saying that because we are industrious and create things our self’s then all that is around us must intern be created by like intelligence.

Complex organic compounds form in space independent of humanity and its gods are they created by inteligence for a purpose ? Or do you not class them as complex?

How do you define complexity moving parts ? mulipal systems?

If I had no knowledge of evolution or religion or any access to scientific fact s and had to make an assumption as to what I find around me I would think in the limited life span we have one would assume it has always been this way .you would only see one or two generations pass have no concept of change or hereditary and would probable see the earth as flat

Hmmm sounds familiar




Who are the ohter 8 planets for then ? and all the other exo planets around other stars?

I have seen garbage lay for weeks food scraps ect and then soon from that crap..magots where formed and soon...FLIES...they evolved from left over food and I HATE them

I never understood as to why there are a such thing as spiders *shudders*

geri flys eat waste that is the purpose to get rid of waste. then they die they eat waste till they die which is a few days...Interesting observation since I no longer use meat we rarely have flys...lol....once I learned that I got creeped out how they were always attracted tomeat..now iknow why..... just my 2 cents...lol They are rarly eating vegetables lol

Without God, then yes I guess your stuck with evolution and the big bang theory ?. I could be wrong, but I heard that it was debunked. This is because they have found a number of planets that are to far out in the solar system to of been sent there by an enormous explosion. Any answers on that ?.

Yes, I believe the big bang theory was debunked- I was watching a Discovery Channel show last night on the Universe and it was saying that, every Galexy had either an active or inactive super massive black hole right dead smack in the middle of it. The sizes of the galexies differed from eachother, and the sizes of the black holes differed from each other, but the 1 thing they ALL had in common were that the size of the black hole was exactly half a percent the size of the galexy, and this is with EVERY galexy. They also found that certain stars were older than ours, and planet Earth.

So if there was a big bang/explosion. all the galexies would NOT be so mathematically sound as eachother. It would all be random.


Just my opinion .... And the discovery channels....... And the Astronomers.....

Exactly, so once again, another mis-conception and dead end by science.

Can you post a source to this info?

But WHY would you go with evolution???... Imagine if you hadnt heard of evolution either...you knew NOTHING..right so...you know nothing of God or evolution..and you ask yourself..where did everything come from...what would you think to yourself then?? Just use your own imagination for this one....see what you come up with

Very hard to attack it from that angle knowing what you know now. Its impossible to come to a conclusion of what you would suggest if you knew nothing, because we obviously have been introduced to a number of theories. Any theory someone would think up, would just be a spinoff of one that someone has already heard.

a sense of humor had to be part of "creation" , just look at the platypus ,akydna, hemp, coca, popy, just my thoughts on the subject .....lol

Let on you havent heard any spinoff..after all someone somewhere had to long before some twit sat and wrote the bible...long before a great scientist discovered evolution....so someone had to come up with some idea...its a tough one though I have to admit that


Me..personally I would be stumped...cuz I used to try and imagine what was here before the earth? What was here before the stars??///what if all was taken away forever..what would it be like??

Before someone thought of a God..I am sure a lot of folks believed that it was some magical demon or wizzard type that did this..then he must have been over heard LOL and then God was created..who the heck knows eh?/ After all not ONE of us can prove it!!!

I suppose if I had to choose, I would not believe in anything. I would just live, and follow my man instincts. If something unordinary happened in my lifetime....such as an earthquake, meteor shower, or other spectacular natural disaster, I could then be persuaded to think otherwise. I would assume thats how most myths came about, unexplained events such as a great flood, volcanic eruptions, tornados and so fourth. Anything that would happen out of the ordinary day would then be attributed to something " more powerful " then a mere person.

It was a Discovery Channel Documentary so, no I don't have a link to it....

It was called SUPERMASSIVE BLACK HOLES

Can you just imagine what went through the head of a cave man??? and others around those times...I try to and I get stumped


Thanks chick...I can look that up now...

Ok I found it...this is the show you where watching ..here is the info on it

Sept. 21, 2005— A supermassive black hole with the tonnage of 140,000,000 suns has been found simmering at the center of the Andromeda galaxy, accompanied by a hornet's nest of furious blue stars.

All of those blue stars, detected as just a single blue dot a few pixels wide by the Hubble Space Telescope (HST), are the key to confirming, once and for all, the existence and mass of the black hole, astronomers said.

Careful analysis of the Hubble data revealed that the blue light is from hundreds of the fast-burning stars that are orbiting a relatively small and dark region at speeds that make sense only by the presence of a monster black hole.

At this point the least extraordinary explanation of what we're seeing is a supermassive black hole," said astronomer John Kormendy of the University of Texas.

Kormendy and his colleagues Ralf Bender and Richard Green have reported their discovery in the Sept. 20 issue of Astrophysical Journal.

"It turns out to be bigger than we thought," said Kormendy of the black hole's extraordinary size.

The existence of the black hole at the center of Andromeda has been suspected for decades, he said. But there was also the possibility that the dark region seen by telescopes was just a stellar bone yard crowded with dim, burned-out star corpses.

That view has been changed because of data gathered by a now-defunct spectrograph on the HST, explained Kormendy. His team found that the blue light, when split into its composite colors (a spectrum), has the "bomb-proof" hallmark of stars, he said. And not just any stars: they are big, hot blue stars like Sirius, the brightest star in Earth's night sky, he said.

The spectrum of what is thought to be a disk of some 400 blue stars also shows shifts that indicate the stars are orbiting the black hole. It's the rate of the rotation of those stars about the black hole that helps the researchers to calculate the approximate mass of the black hole.

"The really special thing about what they've done is to use spectroscopy to measure the velocity of stars" located close to the center of Andromeda, said astrophysicist Scott Tremaine of Princeton University.

In all, there are about 35 other galaxies with suspected supermassive black holes at their center, said Kormendy. Only in two other galaxies have the black holes been considered proven: NGC 4258 (also known as M106) and our own galaxy, the Milky Way.

In fact, says Kormendy, it's unlikely that the others will be confirmed, because they are so far away.

In contrast, Andromeda is the closest full-fledged galaxy to our own and its core is actually easier to see than the Milky Way's, Tremaine said.

source - http://dsc.discovery.com/news/briefs/20050919/andromeda.html

BM..... That article is just a general News article from the Discovery Channel, it's not the actual Super Massive Black Hole Documentary- But it basically had all that info in, plus more. And I'd say that this article is older than the doc, because in the Doc, there were heaps of confirmed proven black holes where is this article only states 2 as being confirmed.

Plus this article doesn't include the information about black holes ALL being half 1 percent the size of their galexies.

It was saying a heaps of other technical universe jargon, but I'm not smart enough to understand a word they were saying.........

Dakotbre...not many will understand what they where saying..you aint alone..but this DONT mean you are stupid..NOT ONE BIT...you are honest..you ALWAYS give your HONEST views and I admire that about you You are proof that there are some christians that can use her own mind...good for you chick!

Thanks BM, but I think I am a Christian who uses her own mind too much, I am a Christian, but I'm a bad one, I smoke, I don't go to church, I sin all day every day, I use the lords name in vain all the time when I hurt myself..... But I am trying to improve all that.

Thanks

I’m afraid the misconceptions’ lie in your understanding and not with the science involved

With regards to balckholes, Big bag theory most certainly hasn’t been debunked sure there are still problematic areas but on the whole with the evidence at hand it still appears to be the most probable scenario.

Quite right you are its just that a lot of religious folk WISH it had been LOL..thing is no one can say for sure what caused the big bang

It's been debunked, since it cannot be proven. Soon as someone shows that it's not possible, its debunked. Until another scientist can come along, and patch up all of the mis-conceptions, it will remain in that state, just another theory.

They cant say what caused it...but said it did happen..I believe it happened

If a lot of gas was to build up within you...sooner or later you will have your very own lil big bangin the toilet oohh nasty but its true!!!

The Creation.....Of Pets