T Rex was the firt big carnosaur to be discovered that's why they named it that. If the spino or Giga were discovered first, they would be called Giganotosaurus Rex or Spinosaurus Rex

Ya orca theyd name a dino something that ment Spine lizard king of the tyrant lizards right ,Well the truth is they didnt so just forget about it and move along.

You're the one who should move along & accept the facts; there r stronger & bigger dinos than the T Rex. And there is more to be discovered

Your not the one who shoud be telling others to move along because theres still not one dino that could live after a throat bite from a t-rex,Im not the one obsessing over the t-rex's king title.I mean out of no were you say that stupid comment about spino-rex and all that garbage,And no need for the Seems like somebody is acting childish

You just can't damn well accept that Spinosaurus is more powerful than a Rex, can you? A Spinosaurus's skull was both longer and thicker than a Rex's. It had larger attatchment points for muscles as well. A Spinosaurus is flat-out more powerful than a Rex. END OF STORY.

Oh yes that was my goal jelly to prove that the t-rex was largest,get real my gol is to prove that t-rex would beat the spino if they faught and the only thing untrue is spino winning and the ludacris size evryone is stateing.I can understand if one of them got to around 55 feet but some are saying it wasnt even full grown?Please thats even more improbable than spino beating a t-rex is a fight,The only skull around here thicker than a rex's is your because you dont bother to read the posts that actually stated the large amount of things you dont know about this subject.

Have you seen the jaws of the Spino's other relatives? Especially Suchomimus, which is the closest linked relative to the Spino, had extremely thin jaws. We can easily tell that from it's nearly perfectly preserved skeleton, which makes a great information filler for the Spino. Even if it had neck muscles as large as the T.rexes it still couldn't possibly use the jaws to the same capacity. Most of the strenght it may have had was probably used to get a firm grib from a slippery fish of that period. This makes the "neck snapping" seen in JP3 virtually impossible. Even if the animal could grib around a neck with it's claws like it did it would still need to use it's jaws for the twist, jaws that aren't built for such a job.


It has been proven that this dinosaur (spino) had excellent grabbing teeth for wriggling prey, but it isn't enough. You see, the jaws of this creature, no matter how large, couldn't possibly be strong enough to break a neck of a large dinosaur(like Ouranosaurus) without snapping from the pressure. They're simply too long and narrow for that purpose while the T.rexes jaws, on the other hand, can crush a civil car with ease. The Tyrannosaurus could basically pack more than three tons to it's bite. The Spino, no matter how big, couldn't possibly do that with it's crane-like skull. The evidence is all too obvious. Infact, I'd also have to question the status of this "new mega predator" as today's study in physics has revealed that having a larger body can actually be a disadvantage as the body becomes flimsier and not necessarily stronger. The T.rex, having a robust skeleton when combined to the common air filled skeletal structure of all avian dinosaurs(and sauropods), looks like the most well designed form of a G8 theropod to me.


According to Gregory Erickson, T-Rex had an incredibly powerful bite. Erickson, a researcher with University of California at Berkeley, reproduced the results of a Tyrannosaurus bite by using a bronze-aluminum cast of a tooth in a hydraulic press. By comparing the damage the fake tooth did to a cow pelvic bone with a fossil Triceratops bone that had T-Rex marks, Erickson estimated that the Tyrannosaurus was able to bite with a force of 3,000 pounds. That's the equivalent of a pickup truck sitting on top of each tooth. Erickson thinks T-Rex was capable of even a much stronger bites during an attack. Tell me how a Piscavore would be able to have a stronger bite than that.Also,
Spino's "so called" lethality is the matter of fact that it's teeth couldn't sheer off meat like with most predators. Crocodiles remove meat by executing the aforementioned "death roll", because they can't remove chunks by simply pulling. So, if the Spino couldn't even remove chunks as effectively as other predators, why is it portrayed as even more deadly? The size is basically the only thing that makes it in any way more special. The unfortunate fact here is that Spinosaurus jaws were only designed for specific prey, something that could be gulped down efficiently, fish, for other words. The other prey would have to be small or young dinosaurs(being as easy to swallow whole) and carcasses(already rotten and softened meat easy to pull off in manageable chunks). It's just obvious that the Spinosaurids we've found so far were not designed for such lifestyle. This theory has been nothing but cashing in on dinosaur fans and a stupid way of ruining the common reputation of large G8 theropods.Add that plus its slim to not powerfull at all biteforce and id like to see you say a spino has a stronger bite force after all of that.

Well, clearly there is only one way to resolve this...

We must hereby clone both T-Rex and Spinosaur specimens so that they may engage in a death match.

"All right ladies and gentlemen the fight of the epoch is about to begin! In one corner is the current champion: weighing in at seven tone of bone-breaking power and mighty jaws is the King: Teeeee_REX!" (wild cheers) "And in this corner, the challenger: twenty tons of savegry from the seashore isssss: SpinoooSarous!!" (mixed cheers and boos) DING! "There's the opening bell! The two contestants have been released from their electrified cages. They are circling each other. Wait! They seem to be looking out side of the ring. At us? Don't worry: these bars are very strong, everyone is perfectly safe." (roars and the screech of metal) "Run! Run for your lives! Ohhh, the humanity!" (Screams, roars, and silence...)

According to Gregory Erickson, T-Rex had an incredibly powerful bite. Erickson, a researcher with University of California at Berkeley, reproduced the results of a Tyrannosaurus bite by using a bronze-aluminum cast of a tooth in a hydraulic press. By comparing the damage the fake tooth did to a cow pelvic bone with a fossil Triceratops bone that had T-Rex marks, Erickson estimated that the Tyrannosaurus was able to bite with a force of 3,000 pounds. That's the equivalent of a pickup truck sitting on top of each tooth. Erickson thinks T-Rex was capable of even a much stronger bites during an attack. Tell me how a Piscavore would be able to have a stronger bite than that.You just cant dam well read,I gave you the facts and you just ignored them as i knew you would because you think your right and i cant stand ignorance at such a high level as yours.Its hopeless to try to talk sense into people like you who just dont read what other people write,Jesus its sucha pain when you actually think they will see that they are wrong but than that entire "ego" thing comes into play.

What part of 'lets stop the senseless bickering' are you people having a problem understanding? If you can't debate the credibility or substance of your opponents points without the snide, condescending remarks, then don't participate. I'll not ask again, keep your comments focused on strengthening your position or suffer the consequences.

Magikman

Can anyone actually prove either of them were stronger? NO.
An Ankylosaurus could kill a Rex. A Rex could kill an Ankylosaurus.
A Giganotosaurus could kill a T-Rex.
A Spinosaurus could kill a T-Rex. A T-Rex could kill a Spinosaurus.
Giganotosaurus was more poerful than either. It could kill them both.
Get it?

Oh no no no no no no NO,So your asking me if i can prove if a t-rex was stronger.I can and did prove that it did have the stronger bite but maybe by "stronger" you mean who could run faster or something i really dont know.And have any proof that gigano could kill them both?Besides the t-rex would do the same thing to a spino that it would do to a giganotosaurus,The bite to the neck and game over its dead.Unless the t-rex is wounded,sick or dieing or younge i doubt a gigano or spino could kill a rex if it wasnt under those conditions.The only real threat to a t-rex would have been a trike or another rex or if it was younge any carnivore bigger than it,Besides what dose a giganotosaurus have that it would be able to kill a spino or a t-rex?The only thing it would have against a t-rex would be size and since what ive been hearing spino was in fact bigger that a giganoto that it dosnt have anything to help it win in a fight with either of them.

Well I think the point everybody is missing is that practice in one on one fights would be the key element. Judging from today's data Tyrannosaurus was the only really big Theropode of it's time. Sure, there may have been some fighting within the species for resources like females, food and territory but these fights are very likely to have been of ritual charakter, meaning no animal would be seriously wounded (this would be an evolutionary drawback and very few animals go so far to hurt and kill their own species). Being rituals they demand specific gestures only understood by the species itself (which in today's Biology is a very important factor to distinguish (sub)species). Therefore these fights have almost no value as far as fighting practice is concerned. This means a T-rex who fights his own well, does not necessarily make a good Spinosaurus fighter.

In Spinosaurus it's an other thing. He had other theropodes around to fight- which would make a great advantage as the Spinosaurus would have been confronted with serious cempetitors in fights, sometimes maybe even to the death, through it's evolution- at least occasionally. Yet, I don't think Spinos would make goog fighters either. Mere size is no actual guaranty to win a fight. Spino probably got so big and developed this fin to actually avoid fighting and scare foes away by creating the impression of size- he was probably a good pretender. The fin also may have been a very important factor in mating, like a peacocks tail etc.
There ar no signs it may have been enveloped with protective muscle and since the spines are pretty even they could not stand much force being put on them by a punch with the side of a head etc. Ultimately it just isn't a structure that promotes fast movement including torsion or flexure-it just offers additional potential of servere damage.


My point beeing: A T-rex probably had a stronger bite (i mean relatively strong, absolutely it had definaltely a stronger bite; we can't exactly tell since no one had a muscle biopsy on them) and would probably be faster, stronger and more agile in the sense of a sprinter. Spino would be the best pretender of all time and scare the crap out of a T-rex. They would hardly fight and the outcome would be mainly a random thing, depending on luck and misinterpretation of specific behavior with a slight tendency to win for Spinosaurus. Just imagine a lill' girl walking up to you and punch you in the nose, you would start crying and would be pretty much defenseless for a minute, the minute she could finish you of in...

However, these are just my thoughts and only guesswork.


CU, Alan.

So under all of that glitter and gloss your saying the t-rex would win.

>Nope I'm saying:



>If push comes to show Spinosaurus would probably not let himself be irritated by the Tyrannosaurus ritualized fighting style. Tyrannosaurus however would wait for certain gestures and be quit confused, which gives Spinosaurus the advantage.

In case of the JP III fight: After the rex got spino's neck there would absolutely be no chance for spino to survive, even if he didn't break his neck spino's throat would be slit: Tyrannosaurus is very likely to have had an muscular interlock for it's mandible, allowing it to carry prey effortlessly over big distances (mainly scavenger theory, had to roam vast distances and come back to feed it's young and eventually the pack's nanny). This lock could have been applied on the spino's throat and there would absolutely be no way it could overcome it by levering it up, only be tearing itself out of it, thus slitting it's own throat.

It's all just about who makes the first move and therefore random.


CU, Alan.

Well i was trying to end this by saying what i did befor beause i fear it will never end but i had a vauge hope that it would.

Ok lets just go ahead and say that why don't we all just go back in time kick both a rex and spino in the shins and run them to each other and then hope first we live and second they fight.

Hey. Howabout you give us proof that a T-Rex has a stronger bite, instead of saying "_____ says that a t-rex has a stronger bite TREX pwns u all!!!1!!111!1!"

Right now the creature with the world's strongest bite is the crocodile. And the spinosaur is essentially the hands, down, worlds largest theropod (and land animal), that has apparently did what no other animal ever could, take the crocodiles ecological niche, and accordingly developed jaws and teeth almost identical to a crocodiles.

Only a fool would believe a 70 foot spino with a seven foot long head would have less bite force than a 40 for t rex with a four foot skull. All of the silly claims that the T Rex has the most was before the new spino was discovered. WE can allso make the argument that any of the supercrocs of over 40 feet would have had a more powerful bite as well. A common prey item for crocs and probably Spino are turtles. Their huge jaws and conical teeth are designed to crush turtle shells. The thin teeth of a rex would probably break trying to crush a large turtle as crocodilian commonly eat.

When both spino and rex were thought to be the same size, yes there was room for debate. But now that we know spino is almost TWICE as big as the biggest REX it is pointless to even discuss this. Even if equal size, the huge front forearms with deadly claws of the spino cannot be dismissed. It is unquestionably the greatest land dwelling predator ever known, but when they find a 70 foot rex or giganto we can resume the discussion. But even then spino still has the huge muscular forearms.

But I believe we won't find them. CA. 45 feet is probably max for the purely terrestrial theropods. Spino and his kin are unique in that they appear to be semi aquatic like crocodiles. And just like the super crocs, this niche can support larger animals. I am sure the main prey of LARGE spinos would be any other dino coming to the water, and ambushed just like crocs do. For these reasons Spino was certainly a hunter, whereas bonafied paleontologists have made a convincing argument that rexie was only a scaly vulture. I disagree, but many scientists believe it.

So PUT IT TO REST PEOPLE. Spinosaurus is now the best and biggest. T REX had his hundred years of fame, but now its over. .

We did give it a rest until you came along and get real t-rex will last as the king forever and the spino sure as hell isnt the best,Ya something as thick as a railroad spike is thin right?and even if it was a scavenger it could still beat a spino and how can you prove it got to 70 feet when what 3 were found or something?You cant get anything sloid from that unlike the rex because there has been many found wich do in fact give proof that it had a certain max length,Please stop idolizeing this movie monster beyond what its become wich let me tell you insnt good.

And the rex didnt need to reach 70 feet to be a killer unlike the spino,It had all it needed wich was its smell its partially good site and its jaws and teeth and thats it.No sail,No size for intimadation,no sail,so WEAK long jaws.Seriously if you think the spino has the strongest bite i know alot of people who beg to differ here http://z13.invisionfree.com/Welcome_to_JP/index.php?act=idx

i really cant believe you people are having a heated debate about who would win in a 'fight' between your favourite dinosaurs. this has got to be one of the most childish things i have ever seen in my life, and why the references to the great steaming pile that is jurassic park 3? i hate to break it to you guys but the dinosaurs in that film werent real.

It was Hollywood, not really accurate ya know.

Thanks for that info,I had no clue they were fake!They were useing it at an example that spinosaurus was a powerfull beast but its Fossils tell another story,The story of a piscavore who used size to avoid fights.And its beyond that "Favorite Dinosaur? thing,Now its about the truth and correcting false facts.

A Spinosaurus's head was longer and wider than a T-Rex's. In fact, it could almost fit an entire Tyrannosaurus skull in it. Now I'm getting this thread LOCKED, and maybe even you being banned.
Oh, and I don't really see the point of a Spinosaurus being a fish-eater. It was an active carnivore, like a crocidile.
And the JP3 Spinosaurus was TOO SMALL. Not too big.

the nasals [of T. rex] were fused, all of the bite force was transmitted to the food instead of some of the force being distorting the skull. The T. rex especially had a very strong skull and jaw muscles that would turn it into a zoological superweapon." Snively said.

It was calculated that a medium-sized T. rex had a more powerful bite than larger carnivorous dinosaurs, like Carcharadontosaurus saharicus, with a head about 1.5 times longer than that of T. rex and this results even from conservative estimates.And if the spinos jaw is larger as the carcharas is than it makes no difference because the size dosnt matter even if the rex was medium and it was in fact smaller it still had a stronger bite.

No matter what you say that dosnt make you correct,Bythe way you cant get a personbanned for no reason.

It would appear that any serious, productive discussion concerning the topic has reached a conclusion, there's little reason to let it continue considering the barely concealed snarkyness of some of the comments. Some people need to learn to disagree in a much calmer, unaggresive manner in the future. Let's also try to avoid public declarations aimed at specific individuals, that tends to cause even more problems that are better dealt with privately.

MM