Im sure many of you have already heard about this theory. Im going to put some links up, you do your own research and then post in here.

20 reasons: http://www.ewsonline.com/2pac/alive.html

lyrics: http://www.thuglifearmy.com/news/?id=70

video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JInhSPDjGyQ&search=tupac

more: http://members.aol.com/subseven/tupac.html

Proof he is alive: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10YTlrb3YVQ...ac######is######alive

There is something very mysterious about that night, weather tupac is dead, alive or if something paranormal happened. what is your opinions on this subject?

he's dead, just like elvis, biggie, proof, morrison, hendrix and all the others..... or maybe he hangs out with martians at a burger king by the trailer park on saturn.

Growing up, I remember hearing countless stories about Bruce Lee's return. Shortly after his death, there were rumors that Bruce Lee would re-emerge out of the mountains. Don't ask me which mountain range - I don't know?

Elvis Pressley was believed to be hiding out in Michigan. At least that was the story reported by a former employee of Elvis.

Tupac no different!

Although I will state that I never attended the actual funeral, many stories like the ones you cited - feels he is still alive; but this assertion is ridiculous!

However, I will say this. He has made a lot of CD's since his death! lol

like i say. if 2pac comes back on some Machavelli sh**, he's gonna have a lot of explaining to do.

this would mean that Biggie died in vein, i personally think hes RIP, but if he did come back i would still love him.

PS. His music keeps him alive.
RIP PAC

not the biggest fan of 2pac but there is some interesting theories... but the whole adding up his age and the other stuff to make 7 i believe to be a bit of wishful thinking. oh and the SoLLiZ dont be so quick to judge. you must admit some of the theories are quite concinving!!! i believe if he is alive hes done a very good job at organising this conspiracy and keeping it a secret.stanger things have happened

I love tupac, and think that he is greatest artist (music wise) that Us had, however i do belive he is dead, true there are loads of unresolved things around his death, like that fast that he got shot in the midlle of the street with houdreds of fans around him, yet no1 knows who the killers were,


people think that hes alive because he sang songs about his death.
yes after you get shot 9 times you start expecting it to happen again soon,

Cris Rock said it best :" they can find saddam husein hiding in a hole in Iraq, yet they cant figure out who shot Tupac on La bulevard."
terible truth is RAP killing never have suspects

Please post something about historical figures, not rap singers. Christ are you serious? Get to the fan forum for him and stop spamming...thanks

dont like it ??? Dont read it !!!

Heres pretty much proof he is still alive

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10YTlrb3YVQ...ac######is######alive

i am sorry to tell you that that is made up that video was hoax, everyone has seen this + guy doenst even look like tupac except the skinny black guy part,

tupac is gone, and i am sorry to say it, how do i know ???
well if he was alive i am preatty sure he would kill all these people releasing albums with his vocals choped edited etc...
i mean for gods sake these days we have tupac yelling GGGGG- UIIINT on songs hahaha yeah right keep dreaming

yes i heard people thought it was a hoax then one of the outlaws said it was real...idk

yes. please get this garbage outa here. rap is denegrating our society and hiphop is causing more trouble than it is worth. before we had this kind of music, kids were hearing about bad stuff by word of mouth, not music. i understand that african american's want to have an outlet for their rage concering how they hold themselves down( and nobody else). but doing it this way and making millions at it is killing the young people in this country. suddenly everybody is driving escalades, while living in section 8 housing (government subsidized housing) and you know what? most of them drive around in the central ca. valley with the windows down, bumping rap music--like everybody wants to hear that profane crap. my little brother in law was ten when we were driving and next to us some a-hole pulls up and his music was full of profanities. my little bro-in-law looked at me and i rolled up his window.

is that ok? hell no. well it tells me one thing. evil is taking over.

"rap is denegrating our society"

actually no that is some of the biggest bull**** ive ever heard, rap has originated since the 20's with robert johnson, hudie guthry and the blind boys of alabama, basicaly slave music. Admitadly commercial hip hop is a load of nonesense, but if you even had a clue about music/hip hop you'd understand one thing, NEVER TEACH THE WU-TANG STYLE

and i rate my hip hop very much but to be honest Tupac was a bit of an over hyped cheese monstor to be honest.

pbarosso i can actually say based on what you just said, that you have no clue about what music is all about.

well you are all wrong PLO. look around and actually use your brain this time. music? yes i agree. but when is too much too much? you want young people exposed to that stuff?

answer this question.... do YOU want young people exposed to rap and hip hop? do you want your children exposed to cursing and racism and negativity regarding the police?

im waiting for your answer......

its not that all rap and hip hop is bad just the negative stuff.

and hard rock and heavy metal can be just as bad.......

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Tupac suppose to reveal himself back to the public seven years after his death??

Another thing the video on youtube is a far away shot of the man that resembles "tupac" so it does not have hard proof of tatoos Tupac had. I have also heard that there is another rapper with the Outlawz that does look like Tupac and sounds like him.

R3Load feel free to correct me or put me in my place if I'm wrong

Why would somebody get involved in a business as hard as the music buisness to achive fame.
then only to turn away and fake your own death or walk away with no rhyme or reason. to get where he was in the buisness tooK blind ambition and desire without that you dont get there..
so walking away is not in the nature of the ambitious..
and dont give me he was a profhet you can be a phrophet on a street corner... desire ambition.. animal sense to suceed is what these people had and i mean HAD..
by the way a spell check on this site would be great.. how do u spell phrophet

Tupac stated that he was not trying to glorify thug life, he was doing what reporters do for the war in iraq,at least good reporters, he was trying to show what lifes like in the ghetto, and it is like that. white people dont care about us but when tupac comes out and raps about little kids getting shot these people hear and there can be a change made, alot of rapper put out bulls*** to make money but tupac was a messenger of it, to show whats really going on in america. he talked about fixing the war in the streets before the middle east.

oh yes and another thing, violence is going to happen.....the earliest humans where killing eachother, that was before there was even music, dont be so ignorant.

I never ment to say tupac was alive, i did that on accident, im saying he might be alive or he might be dead i cant know for sure but yes some people thought he was going to come abck 7 years later..

the weird thing in the youtube video before that the seven day theory one... treach, a well known rapper says tupacs alive, hes out there somewhere, ive seen him. that is wat caught my attention

Tupacs alive and the first proof of big foot and Nessie are real....

Maybe he set it up. He just don't want to be in the music world anymore.
But I don't care.

"look around and actually use your brain this time. music? yes i agree. but when is too much too much? you want young people exposed to that stuff?"

LOL, i'd hate to live in the frightning world you'd create, we'd all be listening to the brotherhood of man 24/7. You seriously usggest any music with any negativity in it should be not listened to?, lol get a grip on yourself. I think when the time comes for me to educaate my kids about music, Radiohead is one the bands they'll be listening to a lot, Stone Roses too. You have have a very limited taste in music, what shame.

No doubt man!

Its an Unexplained - Mystery brother.

Radiohead right on man. throw the who in there talking heads ahh the list is endless

Some body understands me!!!!

you must have a pretty poor taste in music

OK, I know this is nuts, but, I saw him in Cancun about 2 years ago. I swear on my mother's life and all that is holy in this world. He had all the same tats, the whole nine yards. It was him, period.

yea there have been ALOT of sighting of tupac, in cuba one day 500 people called into a radio station and said they saw him in the same place!!! its pretty crazy marty do u have aim i wanna talk to u about seeing him my whats ur sn?

The idea that there is actually an entire thread devoted to theorizing about one of the many rappers that have met a violent death being alive aside...there is an interesting discussion about music associated with this "hip-hop" thing that bears some discussion.

I think that the statement that "rap" is degenerating our society is a little innaccurate. What "rap" is doing is reflecting an unusually popular segment of our society's reality. Society has allowed the inroad of this form of rhyme set to mostly rythym (it is in fact lacking several elements of music as classically defined...although attempting to actually define music is a difficult enough endeavor).

What "rap", or the more recent designation "hip-hop" actually shows is a decided lack of sophistication and output in the music industry, and a concurrent degeneration in the general psyche and intellect of a great deal of the younger generation.

This degeneration in popular music actually began to be illustrated at the conclusion of the thankfully short-lived disco era, which opened up a hole that rapping filled in the latter 1970s.

Rapping is an age old form of art, a form which requires no training, no particular musical talent, and is accessible to anyone. The fact is that the hole opened up by the disco demolition of popular music allowed an expansion of something new, something simple, and rap fit the bill. It allowed young urban New Yorkers an opportunity to freely express themselves, and an opportunity for businessmen to market this really rather simple product of cultural expresssion to the masses.

The fact that it exploded reflected it's simplistic primal appeal to alot of young people, especially urban young people. The fact is, rap expresses inner city life. It does so on a large scale, and alot of people do not like that, because they see directly the realities of this type of life.

From a musical evolution perspective, rapping is of course a very old form of art, but modern rap evolved from reggae, and has absolutely no connection to rythym and blues. It is additionally, a banal imitation of the rapping that one can hear in reggae, both musically, and most prominently--lyrically. In the latter respect, reggae and rap have no relation. The attitudes are completely different, and reggae features not only skilled rapping at points (just watch the Marley Brothers perform and you'll see some of that...rapping that makes people like the current breed of hip-hoppers look silly), but also skilled musicianship instrumentally, as well as sophisticated musical structure which "hip-hop" is virtually devoid of.

It is additionally ridiculous to associate many black artists, geniuses as-it-were, with rap as it exists today. Associating a great like Robert Johnson with rap is ridiculous. The great bluesman had absolutely nothing to do with rap as we know it. Several associations have also been made between rap and great jazz influences...primarily because rap is generally considered to be a "black" form, and so is jazz in its origins. This too is utterly ludicrous.

Rap has attempted to legitimize itself musically, because it lacks several elements of music as the art form is generally defined. The name "hip-hop" is an attempt to do this. "Hip hop" has a curiously close sound to "Be-Bop", which is a legitimate form of jazz music characterized by up tempo improvisation and sophisticated harmonic and ryhtmic structure...things utterly absent from rap (to wit, listen to Parker, Gillespe, Monk, Mingus, Roach, Gordon, Rollins, et. al.). I think there's a rather obvious reason for that appellation being attached to rap.

What rap is is a relatively unspohisticated form of rhyming to rythym, with droning, monotinous bass and drum tracks attached...and sometimes a few chords, that is primarily used to express a lyrical description of inner city life which tends to be populated by violence, and a strong propensity for tough talking, mysogynistic attitudes.

It doesn't say much about the life style. It's disturbing, certainly, and its so-called "stars" have a decided propensity to end up dead, as their inner city life style follows them where ever they go.

Tupac is merely one of dozens of dead rappers...."artists," we call them now....

I think we can likely thank the emptiness of disco for allowing this inner-city form of unsophisticated, lyrically bereft rhyming to make inroads into the pop music field.

Is it music? One could argue either way and probably have some legitimacy. Is it a positive evolution in music?

Well, I think that goes without any further comment.

I wonder who actually cares if Tupac is alive, and why none of the other frequent inductees of the dead-rapper club are not speculated about like this...

"Associating a great like Robert Johnson with rap is ridiculous"

If you actually listen to any good hip hop then youd know what your talking about, but you dont. And this is why.

"What rap is is a relatively unspohisticated form of rhyming to rythym, with droning, monotinous bass and drum tracks attached...and sometimes a few chords, that is primarily used to express a lyrical description of inner city life which tends to be populated by violence, and a strong propensity for tough talking, mysogynistic attitudes"

Theres more to hip hop than the cheesy commercial pish you hear on the radio, basicaly good hip hop is an extension of motown and soul music. I advise you do your best to actuallu listen to some of it.

"sophisticated harmonic and ryhtmic structure...things utterly absent from rap"

ROFL

name a decent hip hop artist, if you can that is.

I remember that April fool's joke they made about Tupac's return.. I feel for it

I should imagine that many of them are considered "decent". That term is of course based upon the constraints of the art form.

Alternatively, coming out of a decidedly improvisational jazz and rock background as a musician, the term "decent" tends to be associated with the overall depth of the music, from the technical aspects to the emotive aspects. Generally speaking , these aspects are intrumental expressions, rather than lyrical, although lyrical can also have a great effect on the overall effect of music, where applicable.

As such, rap has not held all to much appeal as a sophisticated musical form. As in much of pop, it produces social icons, personalities, rather than music of any depth of expression. The artist, as it were, is more important than the music...which is contrary to the classical idea of music as a form of expression. This aspect has infiltrated a good deal of mainstream rock as well as pop, and I think the title of this currently popular American TV show, "American Idol" illustrates this rather profound degradation of popular "music".

In other words, it has to do with "idols", not musical expression and the art of it.

Thus, I cannot name any "decent hip-hop artists".

Perhaps I have only heard the "cheeesy commercial pish" that is accessible on the radio. I would wonder just where I could hear the "decent" stuff, since the radio is where the stuff is played, and is the point...in part...of why record companies produce this stuff.

I think you're telling me there is another variety of rap that is non-commercially oriented, and which features artists who suffer for their art, don't make millions of dollars on their personalities, and is somehow akin to other musicains who ply their trade in fields that are similarly un-lucrative (in a relative sense), like progressive rock, fusion, and many forms of jazz or other experimental forms of musical art?


That I'd love to hear about.

The idea that there is some rap which isn't populated by inner city rhymers who chant their banal lyrical poems rather artfully to canned drum tracks and three note bass lines, many of which have prior criminal records, and many who end up on an almost weekly who's who of the recently murdered list is rather intriguing.

see the thing is, your basing an opinion on hip hip and rap music without knowing much about it, with any form of music, thats pretty much a mistake. Its like people who say jazz is sh**, but have never heard of a kind of blue or the love supreme.

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&s...a1967uy0h0jh~T1

you might like this i dunno, musics entirely subjective. But even just a bit of research you can finds lots a good music. If you can get hold of Step in the Arena.

Go get a Rage Against the Machine or Immortal Technique CD...

Yes, the recent outlook to most on hiphop seeems distorted. The whole throwing money, slapping womans asses ideology is all you see now in the mainstream hiphop. Sad thing.

Thanks for the directions, PLO.
I'll see if I can check into some of this stuff.

no probs man, if you can track down Jazz Thing, you see to have a thign for jazz music, so if you listen to that itll proabbly draw a wry smile or two about hip hop. Or if u want man if you MSN ill just send you some, up to you though mate, i know what folk are like about sh** like that.

If anyone thinks Hiphop or Rap = Crap and brainlessness.... Download 2pac - Dear Mama.

It is a must... you will adore it.

Or changes.....my personal favorite.

Or "life goes on"

Glad to see ya'll did your makavelli homework


KAK REPPIN WESTSIDDDEEEE !!!!!!

tupac actually lived 5 minutes away from me before he was famous

Got it all.
I can see where you would think I'd get a wry smile or two at Jazz Thing. I did.

I also listened to a bunch of Gang Starr, Immortal technique, and even Rage Against the Machine.

The latter seems to be considered a hip-hop/metal hybrid, which I can see. However, it's unappealing musically...to me.

I do have a thing for jazz. I would, as a drummer, say that if one wishes to see where the progressive happenings are in drumming, jazz is where one goes to find it. That's where the most innovative, burning things happen. Of course, I grew up on Motown and R&B and rock, and gravitated into musical studies that sat me in a progressive musical environment; fusion, and other related things.

I approach music from a musician's standpoint, and look at the innovativeness of the instrumentalists and their expression and of course, technique. And, when vocals come into play, I look for singing, and, depending on the musical format, lyrics.

In something like Rage...I am bored with the musicianship, and singing is not exactly necessary there. It appears to me that when alot of people talk about "good" in music, they're focused on one aspect, the message of the lyrics. In hip-hop, I think you'd better be able to hear the lyrics and make out what's being said very clearly, because, even in this material I've listened to, instrumentally it's simply a banal backdrop for the words, and contains nothing in the form of compelling musicianship.

For instance, I don't think anyone could possibly listen to "Dear Mama" and say, "what a great piece of music!" Sure, they could be emotionally affected by the lyrics, but beyond that, musically it is quite frankly bereft. And vocally, well, it's rap. Fine. If you like monotonic chanting as opposed to singing, then you like it.

Another aspect I didn't mention before, but which is highly irritating is the complete copping of someone elses tune. While I'm sure there's a royalty arrangement involved in this stuff (there'd better be, otherwise plagiarism comes into play), a thing like "Changes", which is a rap based off of Bruce Hornsby's main piano line in "The Way It Is", is ludicrous to me. It uses the verbatim piano riff.

That drives me nuts.

...and I thought that early effort suffered for Bruce because of a metronomic drummer who didn't feel or flow with the piece (in other words, he played like a machine, which is the basis of most hip-hop drum tracks). Today, that's alot different as Bruce is really an exceptionally gifted improvisor, especially in concert.

Bottom line is, no matter what I hear in the genre, I see a decided lack of singing (which is of course part of the genre), and thus pertinent melodic structure, I see 4/4 droning beats, mostly "played" by a machine, simplistic, equally droning bass lines, a few melodic embellishments thrown in, typical effects, virtually no structure other than ABAB...nothing innovative rythmically (I am not at all certain that any rap artist knows what I would mean if I asked them about a 5/4 or 7/8 time signature) and a certain lyrical expression which from my perspective and training is minimalistic, quirky, and is designed to convey a particular attitude rather than a musical expression.

I think hip-hop is an infinitely popular urban expression, and I can see where it leaves an impression on people, and even garners a bit of idol worship and such. But it does nothing for the musician in me.

This of course doesn't mean it's "bad" or "wrong" or anything like that. It's there, and it's successful. Enough said. That says an awful lot, actually.

But this thread was originally about Tupac Shakur being alive, I think.

And that's what I question. How could anyone actually place credence in these legends, based upon some lyrical content, it seems, that this guy is alive?

He was a rapper. He took his urban lifestyle, and his propensity to get into legal trouble, and its pain and its undesirable aspects and brought them with him into the arena of some sort of fame. It followed him, and like so many other such "role models" of the genre, it got him.

Of course, that isn't the exclusive pervue of rappers. After all, Elvis lives , you know, and he wasn't exactly a hip-hop star.

It is of course as equally ridiculous to think that Elvis is alive--that Paul McCartney is dead-- as it is to think that Tupac is alive.

i know what your sayin man, im a bass player and my brothers a session drummer, it was just to kind of show ya that a lot of hip hop isnt all about commercial nonesense and their is some form of expression other than spouting whats gonna be most popular to white suburban kids. But mostly im into a lot of John Cipollina, John Mayall, Al DiMeola, John McLaughlin thats a lot of johns lol, but i know me music and drummers? its all about Neil Peart. But i always remain fairly open minded about any form of music, "good" music anyway, lol.

Didn’t Bizzy Bone do a cover of that song, or dedicated it to Pac?

Bizzy bone is my friends brother

Yep, I think I got your point. I know what you're saying.

And that's a lot of pretty good Johns .

I won't argue with being a Neil Peart fan, either. However, I'll tell you, Neil would likely not agree that it's all about him (he's a rather humble, albeit very talented fellow).

It's hard for me to single out drummers. Too many guys (and gals...no sexism here) have done too much great stuff. Peart is certainly one of them, but he would certainly talk about Rich, Roach, Morello, Chambers, Cobham, Bruford, Smith, Colaiuta, Krupa, Belson, Gadd, Baker, Portnoy, Gadd, Stewart, Haynes, Beauford, Wackerman, Bozzio... and about a hundred others as well, all with a smile on his face.

i like the lion of judah avatar

Proof that 2pac is dead (speculation)

Autopsy photo (pretty graphic)

Thanks snoopy.

I and I must big up the almighty.



>>>> Master Cheif.... the autopsy photo? smells a bit fishy to me