I have not evidence of proof but I would liked to be proved wrong. You have to be sure you know your stuff. My scope is small so please help me. I think Humans were a product of something other than evolution and that we are being watched as we develop, because this would explain the Occurrence of UFOs and the basis of religion, where the Gods are Aliens who have made an appearance to a civilization, like some African Religion, Where the gods had ascended from a star in the sky.
Now for people to argue the ancient debate, are we alone? and why have we heard only whispers through time?

It depends on the point of view.
According to martians we are, but we think we are not...

very stupid question

W-P
In popular fiction and conspiracy theories, life forms, especially intelligent life forms, that are of extraterrestrial origin, i.e. not coming from the Earth, are referred to as alien and collectively as aliens.

And since WE ARE coming from earth than NOOOOOOO we are not alians, however if there are lifeforms in the universe WE ARE TO THEM but to as still NO

I have heard a theory that the building block's of life came from comets or asteroids when earth was in its early form, when we were being hit with these things on a everyday basis, but it needs certain conditions to happen, so other planets could have had the same conditions and they might have evolved faster.

Not sure if that makes sense to anybody, hard to explain, and not humans just life in general

There is evidence to suggest that we evolved on this planet, and therefore are native to it.

Our original creation might have been helped by an alien object or being, but no one is entirely sure.
Other than pure theory, there is very little room for discussion.

I’m gonna stay moderate on this one, I’ll give it a maybe; but further proof would be appreciated.

Well here is my theory, and yes it is just a theory.

Now if I were a member of lets say a group of alien explorers that stumbled upon a planet that had humanoid beings on it more ape than human and I had the ability through lets say some advanced gene splicing or perhaps using dna make these beasts intelligent, I might do it and then use them to help me harvest whatever it was I needed on that planet and then, when I got ready to leave I might just give them some rules to live by so they don't destroy themselves. I mean I cant really take them with me. and since I did create them they may think of me as a god and perhaps my rules may become a religion to them. So I am just saying it is possible, but then again anything is possible. I hope one day we will know the truth but right now everything is a theory nobody really knows for sure where we came from.

So if you stumbled onto the planet, what would you be harvesting?

I dont know, if it was earth I think the thing that would have attracted me to a planet like this would be the water. I mean it would be the first thing you would notice when seeing this planet for the first time and perhaps they needed fresh water on there home planet. There sure is plenty of that. I think also if they have the capability to manipulate genes or dna the vastness of life found on this planet is amazing we have animals of all shapes and sizes this would be of great interest to me. I think if I were a space explorer I would be very interested in this planet.

It's fairly certain that humans evolved on Earth. Archaelogical finds have identified common ancestors and fellow hominids going back nearly 6 million years.

I voted unsure, need proof. Maybe life on this planet originated from an object that crashed here a long time ago? Perhaps we'll never know for sure.

It's possible that aliens once visited Earth thousands of years ago. There are ancient writings, like the Mahabharata for example, that mention beings from the sky, flying vehicles, nuclear weapons, etc. Then there is Ezekiel's UFO sighting. Whether this all means that aliens had something to do with the origins of humans or not I have no idea.

Well, since there is no evidence of "alien intervention" in human development, and since there is plenty of evidence for the natural selection which produced the human line, I should think it's relatively easy to postulate that the idea of alien intervention in human development is somewhat unsubstantiated.

The idea, of course, is not original. Arthur C. Clark wrote stories about it in the 1950s, and 2001, A Space Oddysey was based upon that idea. A brilliant work, a brilliant film, but a fiction.

The occurrance of UFOs has never been shown to be anything connected to extra-terrestrial life. UFOs are Unidentified Flying Objects. The term is only associated with alien life forms because of a popular psychology. It is not based upon any evidence. And religion is a product of human nature, a structured organization, based upon a supreme being who exists "elsewhere" and governs our lives, which is largely the construct of those bent upon controlling us through the mechanism that humans long ago found to be effective in doing so--fear.

Many religions have been based on things occurring in our skies. Many an elegant and grand story has been developed by human imagination over the eons to explain our existence, our origins. It is a reflection of the human desire to know that from which it came, and the often brilliant imagination and intellect inherent in the species.


I think we have only heard "whispers through time" because those whispers are somewhat natural human constructs about our origins, perhaps wishful thinking about what it's all about. Nothing substantive has ever been put forth to base a theory of alien life, or its alleged intervention on Earth, as being factual in any way.

This however, does not mean that alien life hasn't been here. Could have been. Nor does it mean that alien life does not exist. Could be...in fact, I think the probability of such is rather high.

However, those ideas not withstanding, There is nothing to substantiate that aliens had anything to do with the development of life on this planet in any way, have anything to do with UFOs, or with religious constructs of humanity, and plenty to substantiate that natural selection is in fact the process of human development.

ok us humans being created by aliens is possible. think of us as lab rats maybe and that when the so called aliens left us here on earth they watched the living creates on this planet and how far they would evolve. this may explain why people see UFOs as they would need to observe the habitats of these creatures.

another thought is that we humans are next in line in a experiment of the creation other lifeforms, such as the neanderthals, dinosaurs possibly and of course us humans (those being most widely known ) along side us there are insects, animals, plants, or bacteria. with creating
these lifeforms they would use their own DNA to create such creatures thus we could possibly carry a gene of their's

Thinking of the entire human species, with all of its diversity and variety, and all of its struggles and triumphs and failures and intellect as "lab rats" is a little demeaning, I should think. It rather tends to diminish everything humanity has done in its history, if one accepts the premise that we are simply experimental creatures, seeded on this planet by alien scientists just so they could observe what happened with their experiment.

You indicate that aliens left us on this planet and watched to see how far they would evolve. Yet, your initial post stated that you think that humans were the product of something other than evolution...it's rather confusing, but I think you're not actually discussing evolution, but the origins of human life on this planet as being alien.

And I think I already addressed that. It's a nice idea, certainly, but as I indicated, it has no substantiation. Thus, I should think discussion regarding your arguement of its possibility is rather moot.

An explanation of why people see UFOs is really more simple than what you propose. We see UFOs because we have eyes, and we all, from time to time, look up. When we see something unusual, something we do not recognize in that "up" direction, it is, by definition, a UFO.

The association of these UFOs with alien life is the product of something that humans have evolved over the eons: imagination and intellect. It is the same reason that some humans created elegant legends regarding the patterns of stars they observe in the night skies, and why some of them invented something called science--to attempt to understand the physical reality around them in a more sophisticated manner.

And science has worked fairly well. It has its flaws, and is itself evolving, but as to this point in time, it has discovered no evidence of anything alien which has influenced the development of the human race.

Indeed, it has discovered no evidence of alien life whatsoever.

good point

First of all what evidence is there for natural selection and evolution I find no evidence at all as a matter of fact I find a lot more evidence that we just appeared on this planet no evolution. Lets look at homo erectus he was around for millions of years with little noticeable change and then all of a sudden in the span of a few hundred years he evolved to have a 20% bigger brain and different bone structure I dont think so. Looks to me like the only way for a species to make a leap of this kind is by some sort of intervention perhaps some gene tampering or something of the sort.

Maybe these guys are from a very dark future, caused by war and without sunshine. This is why they have big black eyes. As for the skin it fell of the toxics.
They evolved in this after a huge war and they needed to adapt on the world after the war.

...punctuation added for clarity...


The question is, quite frankly, mind-numbing...

Asking what evidence there is for natural selection's state as a fact means that you have never done one jot of research into the matter. The evidence of natural selection is obvious and overwhelming. It is also easy to research, so I'm not going into a lengthy discussion.

To wit, your statement in bold above shows a complete lack of knowledge in the subject matter of human evolution (the evolution of species homo sapiens sapiens (meaning "us") from earlier forms, only one of which was homo erectus....and in fact homo erectus containing many varying sub species).


I don't think so either. But that's because I understand that what you state is not at all the case.

In the span of a few hundred years?
This is complete nonsense.

The trend in cranial expansion, combined with the elaboration and expansion of stone tool technology in early species of the homo genus began between 400,000 and 250,000 years ago...a period of around 150,000 years...not a few hundred. This period provided evidence of transition from Homo Erectus to Homo Sapiens.

Homo erectus existed for a period of about 1.7 million years or so (from around 2,000,000 years ago to around 300,000 years ago), and exhibited several sub-species which had brain sizes that varied from about 990 cc to 1100cc.. There was great variety in the cranial volumes of different H. erectus sub-species. H. erectus lived for over a million and a half years, and exhibited great variances and evolutionary changes.

The science of paleoanthropology is exceedingly complex, but even a cursory study of it will show you rather clearly that there is no substantiation whatsoever for your statement that there was a sudden massive shift in brain size over a period of a few hundred years. Paleoanthropoligists don't even contemplate time periods as short as a few hundred years.

The reason you think that some sort of intervention was required for the appearance of H. Sapiens is because you don't understand the complexity of the study of Paleoanthropology, or the huge amount of discoveries it has made (as well as the arguements that are on-going).

It would be wise to look into it.

This is not an area I follow, but I would like to conjecture.

It seems problematic to conceive of one, or even more, instances of altering the human genepool. Take any time in the past. Where does one see fit to do this? If the population were relatively substantial, at any given stage, the chances that one "tampered" individual survives to reproduce, survives through childbirth, and that the child survives become an issue.

As well, circumstances could neutralize that bloodline in the immediate future, as well. Any sort of deprivation, predation, ravages, or accident might occur.

In addition, it would theoretically require multiple implants across the inhabited lands where various similar, or different sorts of human relatives existed, in order to insure simultaneity, and historical impact. It is not enough to assume one "Cosmic Lucy" would
spread the gene. It would require a well managed oversight and constant intervention, in my estimation.

I could see letting loose a virus, with predictable immediate consequences- dusting the planet as it were. But that is also very difficult to manage, despite the fact that they can cause mutations (plants with varigated leaves, for instance).

Overall, it might be possible to make a tiny tweek,but it would have to be throughout the population. The more radical thing would be to nudge a giant space rock, earthward, and eliminate the dinosaurs (if, in fact, they ever suffered from any large space rock or comet). Or eliminate them, some other way.

Even so, that is a crapshoot, and the intended results (mammalian advancement) would not happen for how many years?!

"Aliens" are a tough subject. Finding historical evidence has not turned up anything (?), especially in the genepool. I remember some article in the news some years ago, about a japanese (?) geneticist who thought he found something very unusual, a kind of marker... He thought it might be something "unnatural", but that all died down after that one news article. Evidently, it was not taken seriously. That gene "line" died out!

MID's right people. Even if you don't read anything else about evolution, please, please read this link. Evolution isn't just some "shot in the dark" hypothesis. The evidence for evolution is overwhelming. Oh, the mechanism is often a point of argument, but evolution, itself, is a scientific given.

here is alittle something that ive learned (not alot but some) from experience:

constants arent and variables dont &

"...My speculations run beyond the bounds of true science...It is a mere
rag of an hypothesis with as many flaw[s] and holes as sound parts."
Charles Darwin letter to Asa Gray, cited by Adrian Desmond and James
Moore, Darwin, (New York: WW Norton and Company, 1991)

Douglas J. Futuyma, Evolutionary Biology

dunno i need hard proof to decide if aliens exist. but im leaning toward yes.

im leaning toward ... i need an alien to make a public speech announcment on the white house lawn while giving the president a wedgy--democrat/republican dont matter heheh i believe that 7 out of 10 aircraft seen are experimental aircraft being tested. so that if we ever do visit mars "we" will have more of a versatile means of travel, combining high altitude with low surface hovering. Ive seen footage already of experiemental satalites with the same capabilities that was mistaken for an ufo.