To understand why the Mayan culture regarded the cycle of Venus rising and setting near the Sun as key for the world, you have to understand astrology and its dating methods. Many people hear things like the Mayan calendar ends at December 2012 and falsely believe that "the world is coming to an end" as if somehow this is true.

Then, rumors spread among those who lack the knowledge of astrology in the same manner as those who hear the name Nostradamus, but have never actually read his book of astrological prophecies, but rather "interpretations" of them, often from commentators who are not versed in the applied science of astrology.

In order to know something about serious astrology and not the "pop-culture astrology" many falsely think is the same thing - it is important to understand that astrology in its true practice is one of the most serious sciences a person can practice.

The Mayan astrologers recorded Venus transits with astonishing accuracy. This, combined with the “coincidence” that the second Venus retrograde and transit in this century will occur eight years from now in May & June 2012 — just as the Mayan Calendar comes to an end - gives the uneducated in astrology a reason to spread rumor about "the end of the world." This is common among those who do not study, nor understand how to read the celestial skies, and to study the cycles of time - which the science of astrology has done for millenia.

Mayan astrologers wrote that a renewed world of new consciousness will be born on the occasion of the Venus Passage across the Sun of 6 June 2012. The intervening years between June 2004 and 2012 represent a transition period when the forces leading up to the major transformation will rapidly develop and be assimilated into human consciousness among those who use their free will to develop postively, and not negatively in the world.

Astrological Facts
Venus Transits occur when the planet Venus, the Earth and the Sun are all in a direct line. Venus is also at the same declination as the Sun. This occurs when Venus is very close to its own Nodes; that is, the points where the orbit of Venus intersects with the plane of the ecliptic (the plane in which the Earth orbits the Sun).

These transits take place in a curious 243-year repeating pattern, beginning with two transits in early December, eight years apart. Then, after a wait of 121½ years, Venus makes two transits of the Sun in early June, again eight years apart. Then there is a wait of 105½ before the entire pattern repeats.

The Mayans, like many other ancient cultures, created an astrological long count calendar with a end date in mind, because December 21st, 2012 also represents an extremely close conjunction of the Winter Solstice Sun entering tropical Capricorn with the crossing point of the Galactic equator and the ecliptic. This is what the ancient Mayans recognized as the "Sacred Tree."

Many events can take place between such Venus Transits - world events, extreme weather events, and personal, according to individual transits. In Classical Astrology, their are a host of influences related to planetary motions, including the cycles of all the planets like Venus.

The ancient Mayans also called the Venus Transits over the Sun as the "Return of Quetzalcoatl" - a messenger of light, love and wisdom - a symbol of death and rebirth of a higher consciousness. According to astrological principles we can expect the next eight years until the transit of 2012 to be a time of crisis and turmoil where the old model of separative ego-driven social structure and consciousness undergoes radical changes of a manner of being whose usefulness has passed with new spiritual and harmonious ways of being, thinking and relating is born among those with insight.

The decade of the 2010s is highlighted. Often, Venus Transits are signs of combining planetary transits ahead of time and astrologers know that the decade of the 2010s hold many new cycles that can be difficult for people who have not prepared ahead of time. The Mayan calendar notes the astrological motions of the decade only because their astrologers went as far as their astrologers could go from their time - and that was into the year 2012 due to their astroligical tracking of the transits of Venus.

For more see http://www.levity.com/eschaton/Why2012.html

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in my opinion i do not think the world is going to end on 2012 though it's possible. perhaps it would be the start of a new beginning. perhaps someone or something will make a huge impact on our society that might possibly change what we know today. perhaps find the true reason why we are on this planet? find out how we were created? create the 1st time traveling device? or someone causing our government to go downhill? one of many things could possibly happen or maybe nothing will happen. just going to have to wait and see
(waiting sucks.... )

mayan calendar not ending in 2012, it is just the end of ciklus so at 2012 starting new 3000 year long ciklus.

Its just superstition.

theodore,
thats really interesting information. thanks for shareing!
as you can tell by my name , i'm a little interested in the whole 2012 thing.

Ah, Venus, my second favourite place. The light bearers place of rest, heaven.

Have a look at Solomon’s key and the story of Lucifer, try and see what it suggests and what you have been given as truth in half, you may just find the other half to this great and epic story of the Christos.

Have fun and don’t worry, be happy……

Ciao….

Pax said it...there are ENOUGH threads on this nonsense.

So go and play on another thread you tiresome child…..

There will be no end of the world. Its a calendar ! Our calendar ends every year December 31, and starts over, the mayan calendar will do the same. Its all a bunch of scaredy cats thinking too much into "codes" and junk. Live your life, quit worrying about catastrophies and death and the end of the world.

is there any way that some moderator outthere could conbine all 150 threads about mayan callendar ending in 2012 ???

and bann people that keep making new once

I was also wondering, why these many 2012 threads aren't merged... other duplicate threads are...

I thought there was a secret contest about who can start the most threats about it. The one who wins will survive 2012?

LOL... well that explains it...

Or maybe it's because they are smart enough to realise that astrology is an out dated superstition which has no basis in fact.

i think the guys arm got tired so he stopped writing

You're welcome.

Superstition is for people who take too many shortcuts.

OMG!

I just looked and the calendar in my office ends on Dec 31 2006.

RUN FOR THE HILLS, IT'S THE END OF THE WORLD I TELLS YA!

Jeff

I am sorry Theodore but I am afraid you are infact pretty much wrong. The calender that ends in 2012 was given to them by the God named Quetzalcoatl aka The Feathered Serpent. The Mayans' did not learn mathematics and astrology on their own, nor are they responsible for the building of the pyramids.

Although I'm sure you don't believe any of this but the fact that these people didn't even possess a telescope is as much proof as you need. There is no way they could have humanly possibly achieved the things everyone thinks they achieved without pretty advanced technology. Which means that a technologically advanced race either created these things prior to Mayan existance and the Mayans stumbled upon these empty pyramids which left behind traces of the ancient civilization that once populated it. Or...a people much more technologically advanced then the Mayans' taught them their math/astronomy etc or a mixture of both.

The meaning behind the end date of December 21, 2012 is I believe to be a very meaningful event on multiple levels. It is not so much that exact date that has signifigance but instead the time period near it(what the exact date means I am not 100% sure but I don't think it really matters). The Earth is infact going to be destroyed in a massive flood/earthquakes and the like(well the Earth won't be destroyed but the surface of it will pretty much be...but will be livable again in the future). This will be caused by a planet called Nibiru that is currently entering our solar system(this is what the date of the calender is ACTUALLY refering to I believe) which is also responsible for the biblical flood of Noah. It comes around every 3,600 years and causes massive devastation to the Earth.

Despite all of this chaos and destruction that is 100% inevitable, fortunately for those who fear this upcoming apocalypse there is infact a way to be saved and his name is Jesus. He is the son of man who was resurrected and promised to return during this time period(his arrival should be within the next 6 years) to rescue his followers from this destruction. So in a way it will be an age of enlightenment where the true believers in Christ our Lord will be rescued and told the truth about their creator, their God, the Father and the fact that he is actually an ancient being from another world. All you have to do is repent your sins(and REALLY mean it and trust me, God will know).

I believe that the actual meaning is not the end of the world, but the end of the age.

why does it END ??? so people can make 60 threads about it, wondering what will happen, in other words same as 666 wait,come again, what happened there ???

Hmm, that is an interesting way to look at it. So, god is an alien? That answers everything...I don't really believe that. I believe that god was the first drug dealer(maybe not the first, but the most powerful)

Uh only fools thought 6606 represented something (it wasn't even actually 666). No calender ends on 666 so to answer your question...thats what happened there. 666 isn't even a date and the very reference of the number 666 comes from the Book of Revelations and it states that it is the number of the beast, the number of a man.




You're half right. It means both.

Lumie, what site did you get this information from? It sounds like it might be a good read...

Many people [including me] thought the world would perish on 6-6-06...but look...I'M ALIVE!!! I do think this Mayan calender thing is suspicious, because in the book and movie "The Time Machine", the moon somehow falls apart. Strange, don't you think?

A lovely thought, but an unverifiable one, since there have been absolutely no Mayan predictions regarding 2012 that have ever been discovered.

Of course, that might be due to the Spaniards burning every Mayan record they could get there hands on. In fact it's only pure dumb luck that we have the four Mayan codices that survive today.

These volumes were only translated in the 1980's - so what's in them is pretty recently known. I'd suggest that anyone interested in researching this theory about 2012 pay close attention to the publication date of the references they use - anything before the early 1980's has very little pertinant information on what we know of the Maya writings.

Harte

My calender ran out on the 31st of December 2006. Word didn't end then either.

And why exactly would the mayans know something nobody else does/did?

source

Dresden Codex

its still a matter of waiting and seeing.

You really should have read the OP first because your just making an as* of yourself.

Has anyone ever considered maybe something like this happened?

Transcript of a tablet recently discovered in Mayan ruins.
“…Butt of Jungle Jaguar (Head Astrologer): “I have had a thought, Too Many Feathers on Head Make You Look Like Mutant Chicken.”
(Astrologer’s Assistant): “What is the thought oh great and wise Butt of Jungle Jaguar?”
BoJJ: “This calendar is really frigging long. I mean will our children’s children’s children still be here when it finally ends?”
TMFoHMYLLMC: “No one can say, Wise One.”
BoJJ: “Well, I can. Screw it, I am tired and the girl that brings us lunch has been shaking her booty at me more the last few days. There are other things I want to do. End this thing the next time Venus comes around. The calendar we have done ought to be more than enough time for things to get royally screwed up.””

You do not wait for a robber to break into your house before you do something about it!
Read the 'Tablets of Thoth' and that will tell you who Quetzalcoatl was. It does not exactly say that 'I sent Quetza here to build a pyramid,' but Thoth was the King of the people from Atlantis and his post was the Great Pyramid. The Mayans, just like the Egyptians and wherever else were pyramids, were slaves to the creatures of Atlantis. King Thoth sent his men to the four corners of the earth. At the Great Pyramid, the pole star was alpha Draconis, the Serpent, the Dragon. All of the other pyramids were lined up to different stars or constellations to let the slaves worship the home world of the particular 'serpent' that made them buiild the pyramid.
The 'Tablets of Thoth' tell of the ages before the bible and the bible picks up what is left out of the Tablets.
Now, why did the calendar end at 2012 and not before or after? Well, they figured that the ending date of the variation of the pole star alpha Draconis to back again being the pole star of the Great Pyramid is around 10,000 AD or if they have calculated right, the pole star will again line up in 26,800 AD.
Aye, that is a long long long time.
But you have to use your mind and your 3rd eye, the pineal gland.
This is a 3-dimensional world. At the time of the pyramids, the 3 dimensions were the universe, 1, the galaxies, 2, and the solar systems, 3.
Quetzalcoatl was of the 3rd dimension.
His home was in our solar system. King Thoth's home was the constellation Draco, more exactly the star alpha Draconis.
Again, why does the Mayan calendar end at 2012? That is only 5 years away. Is Quetzalcoatl going to return in 2012? Is the third dimension going to return in 2012?
NO. The 3rd dimension is going to disappear in 2012! Your pineal gland, the 3rd eye, is getting smaller and smalller and being used less and less. The bible tells you that in the end times, old men will see visions and the young men will dream dreams. The pineal gland controls that.
The old men will see visions and the young men will dream because the 3rd dimension is coming together with the 2nd dimension.
The 3rd dimension in our world is flesh and bone, the 2nd dimension is the 'astral' or 'out of the body.' We are looking in the mirror!

In the bible,

2Co 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such a one caught up to the third heaven.
2Co 12:3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;)
2Co 12:4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.


During the time of the bible, it was easy to go from in the body to the 'out of the body' realm. That is why there was then and is now ghosts; the ghosts occupy the 2nd dimension.
The wars we have now are the 3rd dimension fighting with the 2nd dimension.

The 3rd dimension is totally out of any description (remember, we are looking into a mirror, from the 3rd into the 2nd; 'the first is last and the last first'); no bodies, no outlines, no words. . . The 3rd dimension of our world is the 1st dimension, the 2nd is the 2nd, and the 1st is the 3rd.
The 3rd dimension in our world is inside of the heartbeat. You have to understand what the heartbeat is. The heartbeat is the reaction of sodium and potassium ions. Ions are unstable atoms and with unstable atoms the electrons revolving around the nucleus are not bound to the atom and therefore can exchange with other atoms that are unstable. In the case of our bodies, the exchange of the electrons in the two elements creates 3 things; heat, movement, and feeling.
The sun is made up of the same thing, but the ions are the least elements Hydrogen and Helium. The exchange of these ions creates at least 3 things; heat, light, and a neutrino.
Line those up: Heat, heat. Light, movement. Neutrino, feeling.
The sun also creates heavy hydrogen from the exchange of The ions of hydrogen and helium. This is called Deuterium.

Deuterium is a gas (D2) at room temperature. It is prepared from heavy water, D2O, either by electrolysis or by reaction of D2O with metals such as zinc, iron, calcium, and uranium.

What is our atmosphere made of? For that matter, what elements are in space?

The scientist-astronomers have just found in a star system 26,000 light years away, glycolaldehyde. This is the simplest building block for RNA and DNA.

This is from NASA:

Glycolaldehyde, an 8-atom molecule composed of carbon, oxygen and hydrogen, can combine with other molecules to form the more-complex sugars Ribose and Glucose. Ribose is a building block of nucleic acids such as RNA and DNA, which carry the genetic code of living organisms. Glucose is the sugar found in fruits. Glycolaldehyde contains exactly the same atoms, though in a different molecular structure, as methyl formate and acetic acid, both of which were detected previously in interstellar clouds. (NASA report: 20 June 2000)

The Mayan date of 2012 is off by about 5 years.
The end should be revised to NOW!

Last time I looked the 3 dimensions were width, length, and depth, and all humans live in 3 dimensions.

I thought Quetzalcoatl was a aztec god. What do the mayans have to do with him?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_calendar...e_Maya_Calendar

Surely anyone with the slightest interest in the Mayan calendar, and the ability to type a word into Google, knows that?

All the Mayans expected to happen in 2012 was the transition from one b'ak'tun to the next ..... It only becomes significant when you don't study the calendar cycle properly, take elements of it out of context and, most significantly, have a book to sell .....

A useful question to ask-- did anything unusual happen in Central or South America 2995 years ago, when the last cycle ended? Also, is the cycle part of a bigger cycle? Did their arithmetic system have a finite biggest number?


regarding another calendar tradition...
I realize that it's coincidence but I've always been intrigued by the fact that the Age of Aries ended and the Age of Pisces began right around when Jesus was born (Jesus sign originally was the fish. The cross came later). He probably didn't use the sign of the fish for this reason (like, the fact that many of the people where he lived were fishermen probably has more to do with it), but I wonder if he was partly drawing on astrological tradition. Weren't the 3 wisemen astrologers?

The Aztecs and the Mayans believed in the same gods.

Quetalcoatl was the Aztec name for the feathered serpent.

Source: Wikipedia.

Harte