Does Columbo really discover America as a new world or not????

Interesting links folks.




http://www.time.com/time/asia/features/jou...heast_asia.html

http://www.economist.com/books/displaystor...tory_id=5381851

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/E3A...ED1BC8ECEBA.htm

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sultan/explorers2.html

http://www.muslimheritage.com/topics/defau...m?ArticleID=218

I thought it was relatively well known that technically Columbus didn't discover America first... the Amerind natives were there already, so they obviously discovered it first... for sure the Vikings, and perhaps the Irish and Chinese visited America... but they were unsuccessful at maintaining a presence...

He didn't.
The swedish viking Leif Eriksson did hundreds of years before. He called it "Vinland" ('Wineland').

no they werent unsuccessful at all, they were extremely succesful, the chinese that is. they went to a unknown country that was already inhabited. they looked around, they said this is beautiful. they took some "samples" then they left. sorry they didnt kill thousands of indians, that's what you gotta do to be succesfull these days though

I never thought Columbo discovered America.



He did however solve several nifty crimes...

On the serious side, I am drivn nuts when I read that a European "discovered" American when they were greeted by Native Americans.

apparantly the Chinese discovered America in 1421. A centuary before Columbus. But having said that i also saw somewhere that a viking discovered it.

Fluffybunny maks a good point though, a correct statement would be when Europeans discovered an already occupied land. ...................And then promptly went about destroying their country...............before taking all their lands away and putting them into reservations or (camps depending on your stance).shame on us

funny you brought it up ,right now this summer here on cape breton the uncovering of a settelment that was chines the date they think 1300 , givin the location of the island which is in the north east and where the wind and the current takes you back to that side of the atlantic .

The Human Race has (supposedly) been here about 3 million years or so (depending on who you believe)...so personally.. i can't imagine that the first people to discover 'Anywhere' on this planet was only a couple of hundred (or thousand) years ago...all we are doing is 'Re-discovering'

Hmm 3 million years, which theory is that? im not questioning you just wondering because I thought the most primitive humans developed from monkeys about 200,000 years ago. Im probably wrong though, please correct me

Edit: and yes i do agree with the Re-discovering, there where definetely humans before the europeans, but maybe not before the native americans. I watched a program about a year back. it was about how humans all came from a place in africa (a single place) and at one point they decided to leave this place they traveled west first and set up tribes along the way, the whole journey took about 1,000 years. obviously many generations. but this is how humans inhabited the world, in this theory at least. and as for crossing the ocean i guess it was closer then, and they came up from russia to alaska. im not 100 percent sure though.

According to the sagas, a viking called Bjarne Herjolvsson saw North America while sailing from Iceland to Greenland. Although he didn't land in NA, he told his story, and that is how Leif Eriksson found out about North America. Leif Eriksson than landed in NA. I was named after Bjarne (as my mother is from Denmark and my father was into history), I am American, but to me it is funny how so many Americans have never heard of Capt. Herjovsson and they also have extreme difficulty pronouncing my name. I wished they had named me after Columbus instead, as Chris would have made my life a lot easier during introductions

One cannot forget the visitation by early afro-phoenicians and even Africans. The dominant theory in most sectors of history is that the Olmecs, oldest known civilization in North America was originated by native mingling with African explorers.

Tales of North America were prevalent in many places around the world before Hispanola and Columbus ever 'discovered' anything.

Ok..I'm just quoting here ..but..According to a book i have here called 'Timelines of the ancient world' by (Dr)Chris Scarre(1993 Edition)..He says that... By around 4 million years ago,the human lineage and the lineage leading to modern apes(gorillas and chimpanzees) had diverged. The first species to belong indisputably to the human line were the australopithecines, differing from apes in that they were bipedal, and the first deliberately made stone tools were produced by a new and clever species by the name of 'Homo Habilis'(Handy man),some 2.5 million years ago

yes...probably way before the native indians,but i am going way back in time..maybe 10.000, 50,000 or 100,000 years ago


I think i watched the same program(about a year or so back)..very interesting..but it says in this book that they spread from Africa to Asia around 1,000,000 years ago

that's a good one fluffybunny i also though that the vikings were here hundreds of years before columbus?maybe we need to call in columbo to solve this mystery

really?? is there any links for this mate?? this is interesting

Original opinion mate. Somehow I defenitely agree!!

Ah dear ladies and gentelman, seems spain, portugeese and british people mean everything is undiscovered if they are not took that under control, and if they do not exploat it for them self.

I agree with re-discovering, but I disagree with that human race formed from monkees.

it's a Hoax

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/editorials...1/23/2003290398

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1690917,00.html

http://hnn.us/roundup/entries/20788.html

Columbus tough he discovered the way to the western Indies, but it was Amerigo Vespucci who found out that place was not India but a new unknown continent.
There have been many people visiting America (just look at the natives) but only with Columbus "america" was open for the world. But the true discoverer was Amerigo Vespucci.

OK so who delivered that maps to chinese in 1521?? Amerigo or??

And who delivered the map of America to turkish admiral Piri Reis?? Amerigo? Colimbo?

one word, map fakers, frauds, there are plenty around the world and sometime they are were talented. They can easely fool non expert people.

I agree, what about non expert people? Does Gospoel by Yuda also falsificat mate??
China does not have expert??

Do you know what is Piri Reis map mate?? I think every expert who look at it confirmed that it is original, and for your info modern map of antarctic land was corected thanks to this ooold map.



cheers

I'll take that as a personal Insult to my nationality...................., i thinks thats a bit harsh. Its natural progression for humans to Colonise, if you find a sparsly populated continent then you will colonise no matter what nation your from.
Its not all bad when this occures, look at Australia, India (infrastructure) and America (Ameriac turned out to be the most properous nation in the world).

I apologize, I used word people. In fact consider that I am used word "kings and their army".

I do not think it is natural to kill all nation you find somewhere just because you have better weapon and greed for gold and other treasures. I disagree it is natural. Perhaps in Animals but we are human for God sake!

I wouldnt say Britain has ever occupied a country and then gone about destroying it. If anything the complete opposite.

I never said it is natural to kill a nations people, only natural to colonise! Sometimes this will lead to confrontation unfortunatly.......Admittedly there is history of Britain invading for greed, as was the case with india, however we did not go about destroying there people as we did not go about destroying natve American Indians, or the Native peoples of Australia.

Unfortunatly we did ruin most of the countries in Africa due to greed!!!! So i do see your point

We are animals!! Just a little more evolved!

However i do value your opinion and i do understand what your saying. Thats why i jounded UM to gain other peoples opinions (very cool)

actually the first people to dismiss it are the chinesee, the maps are different by the one the chinesee people use to draw...


http://beijinglives.com/1418-Map-Controver...iu-on-1418-map/

Piri reis map is also falsificated?

what has piri Reis to do with the chinese hoax?

piri reis map shows that america was discovered long before colombo and amerigo. so... you know.

and again what has that to do with the chinese hoax?

North America was not sparsely inhabited, despite what high school history books preach. There were, before plagues and certainly before puritan warfare and the booming slave trade-millions of natives inhabiting North America.

Well discovery comes from the viewpoint of those doing the 'discovering'. The americas and the native indians were unknown in columbus's era irrespective as to wether he or one of his peers were the actual 'discoverer' . It's like the USA finding an habitable planet with one of their deep space probes, they'll say they discovered it, no matter the green aliens saying we were here first. .

Definatly the Vikings, almost 400 years before he chinesse

how did they DISCOVERED IT ??? indins lived here for AGES, so hmhmh no this continent was never discovered its been here all this time however out of white people Vikings were here first

when cape breton was created some 200,000,000 to 450,000,000 years ago the cradel of life was what was created by allowing it to come out of the sea and allow beast to walk on land via the b'dor lakes our inland sea but also by allowing man to walk and go up to heaven via the cape breton highlands for they exisded at a hight of at least 35 km and yes we have been rediscovering along the way but this time it is that of truth and rightiosness

Unfortunatly in England we are not taught about American History so my opinion isnt formed by your High school books

Considering i come from England whicjh is about quarter the size of texas, America was very sparsly populated. Considering there are millions upon millins of people in America today, parts of it are still very much sparsly populated.

There were (at their peak) around 587 known tribes of native Ameriacn indians, there may be more i am not 100%.

You're lucky.

It cant have been discovered there were allready people living there,,,,,,,,,,

Right...but we're past that. See above ^

What we have to realize is when we say "discover" we actually mean discover for white eurasians.

Obviously you are not taught Australian History either. The english destroyed in less then a decade a tribal civilization that had remained virtually unchanged for 60,000 years. The english committed Genocide on a scale that would have impressed hitler. roughly 90% of all indigeonous Australians were killed by the white man either directly from shootings, beatings etc or inderectly by the various diseases that were deliberately relseased. (Most popular of which was Chicken Pox)

to claim that you bettered the lives of the thousands or millions you killed in Australia alone (and that discounts Africa, Asia, The Americas etc) is absurd. You left them without lives and used them as slaves or in some cases human game.

so true, and these people had ways that could have help mankind in so many ways,, eg, treating mothernature with respect, natural remedys etc etc

Australian History is English History, i would be interested to find out where you got your statistics, if they are valid statistics?? then i stand corrected.

Australia would not be as it is today without the evil English!!, the english empire brought structure and wealth to many countries world wide, we have also, as i stated previuosly done terrible things.

Colombus did discover America, but he wasn`t the first to discover it.

Bosnian came up with a couple of links that says that the Chinesians beeted him. The Chinesians were way ahed for their time, new scientific reaserch proves that the Chinesians may even dicovered electrisy long before Benjamin Franklin.

So discovering America shouldn`t be any problem for them. It`s also said that a Norwegian explorer Leifur Ericson, also did discover America, but unfortunialtly this theory is abononed by most reaserchers because of "to lillte evidence"

But, forget about Leifur Ericson, forget about the Chinesians, because it doesn`t matter. Why ?, well, because
THE NATIVE AMERICANS DISCOVERED IT 30.000 YEARS AGO !!!

from what source are you guys getting numbers like 30,000, 60,000 and beyond in years?

And what if those cultures had no need of the materialistic idea of "wealth" the British brought?

And, oh yes, there was no 'structure' in these societies before the light of the British Empire reached them.

columbus did not discover america, he's just the one who had the publicity to state his claim. the chinese did not discover america, even though they found ameica earlier than columbus and kept to themselves. the true discoverer of america was the native americas who were descendents of asiatic tribes that came across the bering strait(sp).
and um.. i don't believe Columbo discovered anything....isn't he that guy with a glass eye on TV that plays a detective??

Columbus didn't really discover America, the Native Americans did. The chinese came long before he did, but there was no real reason to try and take it over. I mean, it was someone elses land. If the Native Americans came over to Europe back then, do you think they would have tried to take over? The Native Americans didn't see it as owning land, as the Europeans did.

there is truth in what you say, there is a new book called island of seven city's ,but the whole truth is the island has been here for 200,000,000 years at leest and if you think i as man came out of africa by the monkey no i came out of the sea and as man i shall go apone high and be as one with god, because there is truth in the frase as in heaven as on earth.

Chinese must prove it as Portugal and Spain have proves that Colombo and the rest of the mans were the first to Discover america.

And why only now China says that?? it happened more than 500 years ago.

About 15- 20 years ago (i'll see if i can find a link) archaeologist found stone tools made in france in north america, there was a paper published but archaeologist where persuaded by the PC brigade to keep it to themselves, the native americans? would have been very upset to be told they weren't the first people in america?

It wasn't England that colonised a large part of the world it was the british, i.e. England Scotland Wales and Ireland, At that time every advanced nation on earth was doing the same, Britain just happened to be the best at it, with a mixture of celt, roman, saxon and viking blood it's not surprising. The muslims had been trading slaves with the zulus for a thousand years before europeans got involved and carried on trading for many years after the europeans had stopped.

Heres a little History , when Colombo showed his project to King of Portugal,the king recused because he knew that was impossible to go to India by west,he knew also that there was another land that wasn't India.Then Colombo went to spain and the king accepted the project and gave permission and helped.
So how the king of portugal knew that was another land in west??

and a question for this topic : Why only now Chinese show that map?? Isn't late for that? What Chinese won with this ??