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jimmyphelps
QUOTE(Obviousman @ Mar 2 2007, 06:32 AM) [snapback]1564581[/snapback]
jimmy,

Can I ask your rate in the Navy?

i have stated what my rate was at this site several times your a lazy one arent you?


last time AE.........Cross rated to an ADJ
jimmyphelps
YOU KNOW HOW YOU KNOW YOUR GETTING SOMEWHERE?
WHEN THE ENTIRE SITE ATTACKS YOUR POSITION BUT HAS NOTHING IN THEYRE ARSENAL WHEN THEY ATTACK....................
MID
QUOTE(jimmyphelps @ Mar 3 2007, 12:41 PM) [snapback]1566337[/snapback]
no sir they havent you havent provided proof of ZIP
i never discussed thermate cretin
do your own research
your welcome your opinion
your wrong.........

have a nice day
then why do you keep coming and posting?

we know



Well, that pretty much settles it, I guess.
Despite rational thought, we have been defeated. Chemtrails are indeed being spread over this planet...at least over North texas.
You win.


Yes, of course, you know why I keep coming and posting here. I don't know who "we" is, but I know you know...

We government plants are watching carefully!

sleepy.gif

jimmyphelps
QUOTE(MID @ Mar 3 2007, 08:20 PM) [snapback]1566498[/snapback]
Well, that pretty much settles it, I guess.
Despite rational thought, we have been defeated. Chemtrails are indeed being spread over this planet...at least over North texas.
You win.
Yes, of course, you know why I keep coming and posting here. I don't know who "we" is, but I know you know...

We government plants are watching carefully!

sleepy.gif

NO actuallyMOST of us know why you keep posting

you know me.....great who am i?

Ill tell you who...your worst Nightmare a Militarily trained American patriot

here I am

come and get me
jimmyphelps
Almost 12,000 Views Now

so many interested in something they deny is happening

amazing

the number has almost doubled in less than a month


pick any webforum you like that has a "Chemtrail" thread in it choose several find as many as you can look at the views of the chemtrail postings compared to the rest of the postings............................

look up in the sky pay attention make up your own minds

frenat
Never mind.
Ashigaru
QUOTE(jimmyphelps @ Mar 3 2007, 11:41 AM) [snapback]1566337[/snapback]
i never discussed thermate cretin
It was touched on briefly in another thread. You said "here are some interesting uses of thermite" and then highlighted the description of thermate. Although your entire post really had no relevance to the topic.
jimmyphelps
QUOTE(Ashigaru @ Mar 3 2007, 09:17 PM) [snapback]1566572[/snapback]
It was touched on briefly in another thread. You said "here are some interesting uses of thermite" and then highlighted the description of thermate.

I highlighted it as someone else had mentioned that thermite contained sulphur which is of course untrue that would be thermate ................

it was also in a post that CLEARLY described thermite and its uses Nice try
jimmyphelps
QUOTE(Ashigaru @ Mar 3 2007, 09:17 PM) [snapback]1566572[/snapback]
It was touched on briefly in another thread. You said "here are some interesting uses of thermite" and then highlighted the description of thermate. Although your entire post really had no relevance to the topic.

you were so owned in that thread im surprised you can SIT at a Pc
Ashigaru
The post right after the claim that thermite had sulfur already corrected that.
jimmyphelps
and here they all come

like the Good lil Citizens

this place is fantastic for comedy relief

Buh Bye now
jimmyphelps
QUOTE(frenat @ Mar 3 2007, 09:03 PM) [snapback]1566557[/snapback]
Never mind.

wondered where youd been lately?

seems ill be in your neck of the woods soon
jimmyphelps
QUOTE(Ashigaru @ Mar 3 2007, 09:26 PM) [snapback]1566583[/snapback]
The post right after the claim that thermite had sulfur already corrected that.

whatever you say Mr. Magnesium..............its all there for the readers if you continue to stalk my posts and interject tripe perhaps i shall report you?

no what fun would that be

can you say owned?


your really not so good at this me thinks you need a new hobby

look frenat i have my own lil stalker buddy now too isnt it cute?>
frenat
QUOTE(jimmyphelps @ Mar 3 2007, 04:29 PM) [snapback]1566589[/snapback]
wondered where youd been lately?

seems ill be in your neck of the woods soon

So? Maybe one of the tornados will get you. I've heard trolls aren't well protected under bridges.
Ashigaru
And I didn't take the claim that CTs have mild paranoia seriously. I guess they were right.

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Im simply providing the material that TK0001 claimed to have quoted from.............
My inferrance to the obvious is, that if thermite was indeed used as I am proposing
with all of the Aluminum present from the aircraft, window frames, and other items
Coming in contact with the burning thermite, could have contributed to Violent explosions
I find it funny that you criticized my knowledge of thermite when you posted this. The aluminum in thermite is a powder so sheets of aluminum would be near impossible for the iron oxide to react with, even if any reaction occurred it would be small.
jimmyphelps
QUOTE(Ashigaru @ Mar 3 2007, 09:34 PM) [snapback]1566594[/snapback]
And I didn't take the claim that CTs have mild paranoia seriously. I guess they were right.

I find it funny that you criticized my knowledge of thermite when you posted this. The aluminum in thermite is a powder so sheets of aluminum would be near impossible for the iron oxide to react with, even if any reaction occurred it would be small.

once again you are WRONG but we all know that
Ashigaru
I actually have chemistry to back me up.

Putting in more aluminum will have no effect if the is not enough iron oxide for it to react with. Since you claim that they would not have use magnesium that leaves no other option but the use of exact measurements of iron oxide and aluminum for them to react with nothing left over. So more aluminum means no difference.
jimmyphelps
QUOTE(Ashigaru @ Mar 3 2007, 09:40 PM) [snapback]1566601[/snapback]
I actually have chemistry to back me up.

Putting in more aluminum will have no effect if the is not enough iron oxide for it to react with. Since you claim that they would not have use magnesium that leaves no other option but the use of exact measurements of iron oxide and aluminum for them to react with nothing left over. So more aluminum means no difference.

Diversion in progress
Ashigaru
No, I just proved I'm right and you're wrong. Nothing more.
jimmyphelps
QUOTE(Ashigaru @ Mar 3 2007, 09:40 PM) [snapback]1566601[/snapback]
I actually have chemistry to back me up.

Putting in more aluminum will have no effect if the is not enough iron oxide for it to react with. Since you claim that they would not have use magnesium that leaves no other option but the use of exact measurements of iron oxide and aluminum for them to react with nothing left over. So more aluminum means no difference.

you really are NOT THAT BRIGHT are you?
First of all quit posting about thermite in the chemtrail thread
and second of all for the last time Ill embarrass you again



here you GO ACE
2 ALTERNATE METHODS OF IGNITION of course i already owned you on this once so its hardly fair but you seem to be a glutton for punishment


now whos wrong?
go away your like a stalker .............more like a GNAT


The reaction between potassium permanganate and glycerine is used as an alternative to the magnesium method. When these two substances mix, a spontaneous reaction will begin, slowly increasing the temperature of the mixture until flames are produced. The heat released by the oxidation of glycerine is sufficient to initiate a thermite reaction. However, this method can also be unreliable and the delay between mixing and ignition can vary greatly due to factors such as particle size and ambient temperature.

Another method of igniting is to use a common sparkler to ignite the mix. These reach the necessary temperatures and provide a sufficient amount of time before the burning point reaches the sample.

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The melting and boiling points of aluminum also make it ideal for thermite reactions. Its relatively low melting point (660°C, 1221°F) means that it is easy to melt the metal, so that the reaction can occur mainly in the liquid phase[1] and thus proceeds fairly quickly. At the same time, its high boiling point (2519°C, 4566°F) enables the reaction to reach very high temperatures, since several processes tend to limit


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seems the fires at wtc would have been hot enough to melt aluminim ....................

Obviousman
QUOTE(jimmyphelps @ Mar 4 2007, 04:42 AM) [snapback]1566344[/snapback]
i have stated what my rate was at this site several times your a lazy one arent you?
last time AE.........Cross rated to an ADJ


Sorry jimmy - lots of pages to go through, so it's easy to miss one little detail.

Perhaps you could clear something up; in early posts you said:

...as a member of the United States navy i can only tell you that the RFMP program he cited is for real we are using it...

but then later said:

...I also happen to now be in the \"Telecommunications\" Business,And have been since 1983...

Are you currently active military or not? Thanks.
Ashigaru
Actually you only showed 2 that I hadn't mentioned.

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The reaction between potassium permanganate and glycerine is used as an alternative to the magnesium method. When these two substances mix, a spontaneous reaction will begin, slowly increasing the temperature of the mixture until flames are produced. The heat released by the oxidation of glycerine is sufficient to initiate a thermite reaction. However, this method can also be unreliable and the delay between mixing and ignition can vary greatly due to factors such as particle size and ambient temperature.
Its unreliability was the reason you claimed magnesium would not have been used. This is just as unreliable.

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A stoichiometric mixture of finely powdered Fe(III) oxide and aluminum may be ignited using ordinary red-tipped book matches by partially embedding one match head in the mixture, and igniting that match head with another match, preferably held with tongs in gloves to prevent flash burns.

And you do know what stoichiometric means don't you? Apparently not or you would know this is the one I was referring to in the last post.
jimmyphelps
QUOTE(Obviousman @ Mar 3 2007, 10:07 PM) [snapback]1566621[/snapback]
Sorry jimmy - lots of pages to go through, so it's easy to miss one little detail.

Perhaps you could clear something up; in early posts you said:

...as a member of the United States navy i can only tell you that the RFMP program he cited is for real we are using it...

but then later said:

...I also happen to now be in the \"Telecommunications\" Business,And have been since 1983...

Are you currently active military or not? Thanks.

No im a veteran

QUOTE(Ashigaru @ Mar 3 2007, 10:10 PM) [snapback]1566624[/snapback]
Actually you only showed 2 that I hadn't mentioned.

Its unreliability was the reason you claimed magnesium would not have been used. This is just as unreliable.
And you do know what stoichiometric means don't you? Apparently not or you would know this is the one I was referring to in the last post.

already corrected that ace
Obviousman
QUOTE(jimmyphelps @ Mar 4 2007, 09:14 AM) [snapback]1566626[/snapback]
No im a veteran
already corrected that ace


Really?

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...480&st=135#

Post number 149.

Still there to my eyes - Ace.

Ashigaru
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seems the fires at wtc would have been hot enough to melt aluminim
Doesn't matter if there wasn't enough iron oxide for it to react with.
Obviousman
Ooops! Sorry. When I quoted your post to ask another question, the quote appeared as in my post number 324. I didn't realise it was in reference to Ashigaru's post.

My apologies.
MID
QUOTE(jimmyphelps @ Mar 3 2007, 03:44 PM) [snapback]1566526[/snapback]
NO actuallyMOST of us know why you keep posting

you know me.....great who am i?

Ill tell you who...your worst Nightmare a Militarily trained American patriot

here I am

come and get me



Now, you above all people should know that all us government plants here are all military trained American patriots...thus, we have no nightmares. Indeed, the toughest of guys wet their pants in our presence...cool.gif



Really, now!
I'm completely scared off.

...it's the fringe that actually believes such things as government plants which is scary, however.

You have revealed yourself.
Thank you.

Don't worry, we're not coming for you. We really don't care. It was just amusing...for a time.
jimmyphelps
QUOTE(Obviousman @ Mar 3 2007, 10:19 PM) [snapback]1566636[/snapback]
Really?

http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...480&st=135#

Post number 149.

Still there to my eyes - Ace.

that wasnt what i was referring to

I told YOU im a veteran

I told ASHIGARU that i corrected a post i made to HIM
jimmyphelps
QUOTE(MID @ Mar 3 2007, 10:30 PM) [snapback]1566646[/snapback]
Now, you above all people should know that all us government plants here are all military trained American patriots...thus, we have no nightmares. Indeed, the toughest of guys wet their pants in our presence...cool.gif
Really, now!
I'm completely scared off.

...it's the fringe that actually believes such things as government plants which is scary, however.

You have revealed yourself.
Thank you.

Don't worry, we're not coming for you. We really don't care. It was just amusing...for a time.

I was NEVER worried you were PAL
jimmyphelps
SEE PEOPLE

they use all of theyre resources watch the skies make your own judgements investigate it yourself

MID is what he is........................and this site is what it is

dont you feel all smug and controlling MID

*SNIP*
jimmyphelps
Contrails or Chemtrails, is there a difference?
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Updated August 2005

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Oct 16, 2004 1932Z 1:32pm Local
Contrails or chemtrails, I don't care. They are having an effect on our skies our weather and ultimately our climate and this, by default, is by design. They must be acknowledged then fully studied and understood by the meteorological and the climate community! NASA now wants us to count the contrails for them; this must mean that this project is over their/there heads too. Puns are intended.

July 2005 Since I first posted the site back in October 2004, many insights into the reasons for and why the contrails/chemtrails are flown, have come into my understanding. The arrows in the above image (please look at the large frame) relate to specific happenings or boundaries of energy located within this specific frame. The contrails are flown to map the sky of these scalar/EM energy signatures and to make what is invisible visible. It is that simple. This is the sole reason for the chemtrails! The extent of the weather manipulation must be known at all times in as many locations as physically and fiscally possible. This knowledge directly results in how we, the US, will fight back against the other weather makers that don't have our (the US's) best interests at heart. So this contrail marking program is near real time surveillance of the scalar happening in the sky. This is why the planes are very, very active before the arrival of any storm of substantial size, regardless of season. The contrails are incapable of affecting this kind of weather in any sensible means; so the thoughts that they are capable of killing rain/thunderstorms upon arrival is not valid. The collapse of rain making storms is a result of ionic strikes and not the chemtrail planes that are there looking for the ionic strikes.

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By 1951Z 1:51pm Local Just 29 minutes later versus the previous image
Just 29 minutes later the two of the four tracks-these east bound-continue to fan out. Net result, more high cloud cover.
jimmyphelps
Some think that the chemtrail mission is directly related to the late Dr. Edward Teller's infamous white paper advocating aerosol spraying as a means towards global climate control. Dr. Teller, known throughout the world as the "father of the hydrogen bomb," did write such a paper and it is still downloadable from the Internet as a PDF document here: http://www.rense.com/general18/scatteringEdTellerwithnotes.pdf ://http://www.rense.com/general18/scat...rwithnotes.pdf ://http://www.rense.com/general18/scat...rwithnotes.pdf ://http://www.rense.com/general18/scat...rwithnotes.pdf ://http://www.rense.com/general18/scat...rwithnotes.pdf ://http://www.rense.com/general18/scat...rwithnotes.pdf ://http://www.rense.com/general18/scat...rwithnotes.pdf

I now know this is disinformation at least in regards to its relation to the chemtrails. There simply is NO relationship here. If this were the case it would be openly public and a lot of taxpayer dollars would have been thrown at the problem of climate control or UV reduction/filtering.

Still,

This is a serious project that is stunningly immense in scope, at a minimum several hundred aircraft are active daily (probably close to 800)... the intent of the aircraft has been the focus of the debate. Some Information is here to settle that dispute.

...


October 2004: This debate was the last area I ever wanted to get into. I felt late to the game, and great research had already been done. But with a camera always at my side it would be just a matter of time before I 'caught' one of the active over flights spraying its cargo overhead. Below is that first picture I shot on August 29th at about 2pm Mountain. Now that I have seen one, and know what to look for these flights are so numerous, often several in the sky simultaneously, I wonder how I missed seeing them! Understanding why they flew never would have entered my mind had I not been familiar and understood Retired Lt. Col. Tom Bearden's work at www.cheniere.org.

Here is information that plays strongly into the linkage you will begin to grasp from my SOHO (Solar and Heliospheric Observatory) section, thereby seeing the reason why the chemtrail activity remains urgent.

The following is a link to and an excerpt from a letter submitted to the Rense.com site last July (July 04). This is a highly important essay read.

http://www.holmestead.ca/chemtrails/solar.html


Those that are aware of the aerosol spraying (which is a surprisingly small number) and believe it has to do with the climate are actually the closest to the truth. But the truth is so shocking, so unnerving, and so likely to cause huge social and economic upheaval, that it is understandable why the "powers that be" have elected to attempt this planetary rescue mission while keeping most of the world in the dark. Indeed, even most of the crews that fly the missions out of air force bases around the globe in specially re-fitted Lockheed and Boeing jets do not understand the true nature of their mission. The full scope of the mission is only revealed on a need-to-know basis. And what initially began as an American project has now been joined by almost every air force of every nation on Earth.
...

Large, politicized organizations like The Sierra Club and Greenpeace and politicians like Al Gore may still be beating the "evil industry is causing global warming" drum, but they are ignorant of the facts. The hand wringers over the stalemated Kyoto Protocol don't know or understand that their rather draconian agreement could have been passed and enforced to the letter and it would make not one iota of difference to the massive upcoming climate change ahead of us. It is analogous to attempting to stop a rampaging flood with a few, feeble sandbags.
...

Less than eight years ago the United States took the lead and instituted a brilliant and bold project borne out of desperation: creating a thermal, anti-radiation barrier in a band of our atmosphere beneath Earth's troposphere. Although the project itself may cause some planetary climate change, it is calculated to cause far less damage than the events that have been extrapolated to occur in our near future. It is a two-edged sword as the aerosol spraying will undeniably affect some individuals making them sick or otherwise affecting to an extent their immune systems and respiratory systems. The trade off, however, is long term survival of our civilization.


Read the whole letter. I do take issue with some minor details, but on the whole the assertions remain sound. That the Sun is being stimulated by an outside civilization and we are trying to slow those climate altering effects on the Earth with this spraying.

I suppose that it is possible, and this is very disturbing, that there is a set timetable (sometime before 2012) to tip the entire climate system into chaos prior to the next ice age; this spraying and its attendant warming will insure that the ocean and atmospheric warming will continue at its increasingly rapid rate that is just now being realized by climatologists. This ultimately ends in the failure of the North Atlantic thermo cline and a fresh global ice age. Now this event would end civilization, at least as we know it today. In either case this project deserves immediate public scrutiny.


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What then happens to a deep blue clear sky is this:


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Seeding the sky for high cloud overcast. Something I now have to account for in the daily five-day forecast. I cannot begin to count the number of days that should have been sunny--from sunup to sundown-that have been changed by this activity. Clear days are now a much more rare commodity.


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Ah, and the new colors to enjoy in the clouds as a result of this spraying of a pale green and salmon/pink.


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Beautiful, and it would be more so if it were natural. No this isn't just the natural refraction of water ice by sunlight. Yes, there is some of this occurring, but the colors are refractions of Ba & Al--- Barium and Aluminum the metallic content of these contrail flights.


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Squares PLUS Chemtrail colors, eerily beautiful.


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Oct 14, 2004 1830Z 12:26pm Local
Oh my, aren't we busy! I am shooting low looking toward the southern horizon. The short trail headed south is a marker flight just as the other two are. One is east bound and the other west both looking/marking EM signatures/boundaries. Contrail duration often will help us sort out the commercials from the marking program. We have NO north-south commercial traffic over eastern Idaho, the coasts are the destinations giving us SE to NW flight paths overhead. Usually the commercials leave no trails what so ever. I would anticipate that the powers that be would introduce a marking mixture that would leave no trail visible to the naked eye truly allowing these plane to work nearly completely covertly.

The wider view below showing how the clouds are spreading out revealing the moments of the upper atmosphere and jetstream.


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October 14, 2004 1833Z 12:33pm Mountain
Seeding the sky for the formation and generation of a warming canopy of cirrus clouds that reveals the inner workings of the scalar EM altering of the jetstream and adjacent layers of atmosphere.
jimmyphelps
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This contrail simply rolls over when it reached a different zone of shear.


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February 2005 North Carolina I tell you they never go back when I forget something!

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Hard at work first thing in the morning. Plenty of lateral sheer happening with the EM weather makers; and we must know just how much the atmosphere is being altered. Contrails give us that information. I know it is ugly, but it has to be done.

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The arrowed location is at the intersection of three contrail lines. It just happens to be the point at which one of the contrails rolls over in an area of strong lateral shear artificially introduced into the sky. We would have never known about it without the chemtrails. With a grid like this you can tell they are hunting scalar activity.


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Sun dogs are so common now as the contrails are constantly seeding the atmosphere with condensation nuclei which result in these solar phenomena during every season and now everywhere. Note, as well, how the contrail fans out and then fades away toward the clearing in the clouds at the lower portion of the picture. The contrail was deliberately flown through that specific cloud opening to understand what was happening there. This is valuable information for the weather makers.

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Contrails, scalar rippling, and a solar arc. The contrail was likely flown looking for the boundary to the rippling seen in the upper right of the image. This is Northern California, if I recall correctly.


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A nice true color image from NASA looking at the back edge of a storm that is just clearing the western Great Lakes states. This is a very dry atmospheric environment in that the passing storm has cleared the area of available moisture for clouds formation plus the inherent stabilization, post storm, leads to very clear skies. So we have many thick contrails that are lasting in an environment that shouldn't support their visible existence. Hence we have evidence of the contrail markers versus natural contrails. Abundant rippling over Michigan tells us that we have EM energies stimulating the atmosphere and thus the weather makers need to fly the contrails to measure this action and decide whether to employ counter measures as needed.

A couple of arrows have been added to point out the thick spreading contrails laid down just along the back edge of this storm, and the interesting dissipation over central Lake Superior marked earlier by the fading three north/south contrails.

End the scalar/EM warfare; end the contrail marker program.
Obviousman
QUOTE(jimmyphelps @ Mar 4 2007, 09:41 AM) [snapback]1566658[/snapback]
that wasnt what i was referring to

I told YOU im a veteran

I told ASHIGARU that i corrected a post i made to HIM


Okay, so what you meant to say in that original post was that you are a FORMER member of the US Navy.
jimmyphelps
QUOTE(Obviousman @ Mar 3 2007, 11:05 PM) [snapback]1566692[/snapback]
Okay, so what you meant to say in that original post was that you are a FORMER member of the US Navy.

correct i forgot to type ......."ex"
eqgumby
QUOTE(jimmyphelps @ Mar 3 2007, 11:42 AM) [snapback]1566344[/snapback]
i have stated what my rate was at this site several times your a lazy one arent you?
last time AE.........Cross rated to an ADJ



QUOTE(jimmyphelps @ Mar 3 2007, 11:42 AM) [snapback]1566344[/snapback]
What the hell does a machinist mate know? Well ill tell you ace, a machinist mate is basically a jet engine mechanic..
I was Cross rated to Machinists school, after not caring for Aviation Electronics technician school. I have been through 70% of the avionics course,
before cross rating out, I was allowed to do that because i was in the upper percentage of the class.



You sure you want to make that the last time? Which was it, AT or ADJ ?
And I do not believe you were SO SMART they let you drop AT (or AE) to be an AD.
jimmyphelps
QUOTE(eqgumby @ Mar 4 2007, 06:18 AM) [snapback]1567107[/snapback]
You sure you want to make that the last time? Which was it, AT or ADJ ?
And I do not believe you were SO SMART they let you drop AT (or AE) to be an AD.

LOOK

here it is for the last time ..............to the contrary i wasnt smart enough to be an avionics tech

I was an AVIATION ELECTRONICS TECHNICIAN ........ "A" School

I COULD NOT HANDLE THE MATH......................hello...........i completed most of the course the math was kicking my ass My teacher liked me

I was then CROSS RATED and CHANGED my "A" school Class in Millington Tn,

TO AVIATION MACHINIST MATE "A" school...........or the rate of "ADJ" or a "Nosepicker"

Aviation machinist mate course class A1 N.T.T.C. Millington ( jet engine mechanic)

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Clear enough?
Teslasparkgap
QUOTE(joc @ May 15 2006, 11:03 PM) [snapback]1190791[/snapback]
Last Saturday I witnessed Chemtrails over my city....McKinney, Texas. We are 25 miles north of Dallas. I never thought much about stuff like that until a friend in Dallas mentioned it...I thought she was a bit looney at first and told her it was just jets....

....it isn't...I have begun research on ChemTrails and have discovered many believe that the military is spraying 'stuff' over our cities to make us weak or sickly because the NWO will more easily take over a sickly class of people.

I don't buy all that...yet...but I definately saw ChemTrails and they were most definitely NOT jet airplane vapor.

Have you seen them? Any insight or personal stories?

...btw, Saturday night...both my wife and I had headaches...I rarely get headaches...coincidence? I don't think so....


Here you go, wait till the end... two balls of light in front of a trail.. no wings:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqz2dz3h3p8

A Triangle craft? You only see two lights per side view. And pulsed so sometimes the plasma jet is off.
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MID
Six minutes of some guy filming a skywriter, and jet contrails over New York.
A blurry, wobbling image of a jet that's miles away, obviously casting different reflections as it moves farther away, and you're assuming that there's something unusual about seeing no wings?

Teslasparkgap
QUOTE(MID @ Mar 4 2007, 02:06 PM) [snapback]1567602[/snapback]
Six minutes of some guy filming a skywriter, and jet contrails over New York.
A blurry, wobbling image of a jet that's miles away, obviously casting different reflections as it moves farther away, and you're assuming that there's something unusual about seeing no wings?


Its more about the lightning effects or balls of light that ufo sightings point out or photograph show
or capture on video.

I think this guy caught one. In any case in action on trails might be due to the cover on ufos.

As I was reading the many posts, after the first I answered, I saw one about the purpose of the trails.

And great photos every one.

So here it is, with long lasting metal deposited in the air, communications using the trail might be faster
that with a satellite. We all see how long between interviewers take on those satellite links.

I never gave trails a purpose, I just thought it was secret triangle plasma jets flying around.
eqgumby
QUOTE(jimmyphelps @ Mar 4 2007, 02:15 AM) [snapback]1567152[/snapback]
LOOK

here it is for the last time ..............to the contrary i wasnt smart enough to be an avionics tech

I was an AVIATION ELECTRONICS TECHNICIAN ........ "A" School

I COULD NOT HANDLE THE MATH......................hello...........i completed most of the course the math was kicking my ass My teacher liked me

I was then CROSS RATED and CHANGED my "A" school Class in Millington Tn,

TO AVIATION MACHINIST MATE "A" school...........or the rate of "ADJ" or a "Nosepicker"

Aviation machinist mate course class A1 N.T.T.C. Millington ( jet engine mechanic)

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Clear enough?


Easy does it there killer. One time you say Aviation Electronics Technician (AT), the next time you say you were an AE (Aviation Electrician). There
is a difference. Just wanted to clarify that. If I recall, you said you were top of the class, that's why they let you cross-rate. That's a bit different
than what I read here. Do I really need to go back and quote you? You know, that's how law enforcement works too. They look for those little
"inconsistencies" in a persons story.
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Its more about the lightning effects or balls of light that ufo sightings point out or photograph show
or capture on video.

I think this guy caught one. In any case in action on trails might be due to the cover on ufos.

As I was reading the many posts, after the first I answered, I saw one about the purpose of the trails.

And great photos every one.

So here it is, with long lasting metal deposited in the air, communications using the trail might be faster
that with a satellite. We all see how long between interviewers take on those satellite links.

I never gave trails a purpose, I just thought it was secret triangle plasma jets flying around.



There's no way to determine that the "balls of light" you see on this video are anything at all...other than different reflections from an airplane that's about 7 miles up in the air, moving away from the video camera at about 500 MPH, which never captures a pererfectly clear image of the airplane.
The image you see of a distant aircraft changes as it's angle to the sun changes.
All you're seeing here is an airplane pulling a contrail.

This guy follows an airplane for a full minute. It travels about 8 miles in that time.
There is nothing unusual about what he's seeing.

It's a contrail, cast by a jet in the flight levels.
An every day occurrance.
The balls of light are simply the result of the resolution his video camera can provide.
Ashigaru
The color of rainbows is always in the same order red, orange, yellow, green, blue, purple.

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Hmm, I see red, orange, yellow, green, blue, purple.

Funny how that works out.

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Lens flare.

You really need to go back on your meds.
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Did a Secret Military Experiment Cause the 2003 Blackout?

Anonymous, Unknown et al

Abstract. On August 14, 2003, just a few minutes after the stock market closed for the day, a nine-minute 'event' had brought the entire Northeastern power grid down. It is believed that over fifty million people lost power that afternoon. Since this unprecedented event, blame games have flown back and forth, but no real answers have been provided. It is believed that the event originated in an area in the power grid where there is a bottleneck of power transmission between the eastern U.S. and the Midwest. But what has caused this mess? Outdated equipment, irresponsible power companies, and politicians have all been blamed without any solid evidence to support the accusations. What hasn't been suggested is the possibility that this was a secret government test that served the purpose of fulfilling requirements for sophisticated warfare and security response mechanisms.


The Facts

Here are the facts. The power grid that was affected was the northeast grid. Not the vulnerable California grid, or the southeastern grid that Washington DC relies upon, and not that strangely isolated Texas oil grid. It was the grid that the northeast U.S. and southeast Canada rely on. A region that a large scale outage would not have a really devastating effect on the economy or military control centers. The event conveniently began a few minutes after the closing bell on Wall Street as to not effect the days trading, but while power usage in the northeast on that hot day was still at peak. The event began in a bottleneck region where only a few percent increase in power flow could cause such a critical failure of the entire grid. The physical cause of the event such as the classic squirrel shorting out a transformer, has not been found; there were no indications of any lightning being present; nor was there any significant solar activity to cause an unexpected surge in the grid. Finally, the HAARP (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Project) was turned on just after 4:00 PM EST on that fateful day.
The question is 'Could a secret HAARP experiment have caused the blackout?' Interesting ionospheric effects occurred on 8/14/2003 that would have made the conditions for such a secret military test ideal, including a widespread, highly reflective ionospheric layer being expected (and was likely created by the electron event seen in figure 1), which would allow ideal conditions for signal propagation over long distances. Unfortunately, the ionosonde data that would help show where the effects of HAARP were directed by providing a picture of the ionosphere were not posted on the day of the blackout. The Gakona Ionosonde data is frequently not posted when classified HAARP experiments take place.

What we do know is that HAARP was turned on at or just after 4:00 pm EST; it would take a few minutes for the target area to respond (say around 4:05 pm) which would allow a nine minute event to knock the power out at 4:14 pm EST.

HAARP, Ionospheric Warfare, and Potential Applications

Those of us who work in ionospheric research, and who are concerned with environment risks associated with ionospheric warfare are familiar with HAARP. The basic concept that HAARP relies upon is based on work
by N. Tesla when he was attempting to devise a method for the wireless transmission of electrical power, and
subsequently picked up in the early 20th century for the purpose of finding a way to modify the weather. It is thought that this technology was used by world leaders such as Stalin, whom during important outdoor events may have used such technology to prevent unwanted rain or fog. These claims were often associated with widespread reports of people feeling mysteriously ill. One of the leading researchers in this field is Dr. Bernard Eastlund, whom to this day accepts money from organizations such the European Space Agency to research potential weather modification applications including the possibility of stopping tornadoes with this type of technology.
HAARP is a phased-array ionospheric heater that is capable of focusing large quantities of electromagnetic energy into very localized regions that are very far away from the source. It is entirely possible that the HAARP heaters were directed at the power grid's bottleneck while the grid was operating near peak capacity. The sudden presence of electromagnetic energy could easily force an unexpected increase in the power flow which could in-turn cause a critical failure such as the one seen on august 14, 2003.
Despite the claims of HAARP advocates, ionospheric heaters can use the ionosphere to reflect their energy at distances several thousand miles away by using the ionosphere as a 'mirror' much the same way as AM radio signals travel over vast distances. Unlike an AM radio, HAARP can use phase interference to focus it's energy on a localized area (such as the weak point on the power grid). The only requirement to achieve geographic precision is that geomagnetic activity be minimal such as it was on the day of the blackout. Also, there was a short duration test about' 20 minutes before the hour. Such a test would serve the purpose of showing the researchers exactly where the beam would focus itself given the cur- rent conditions, and would be a necessary step before executing such an experiment.
So why would the government do this to us? Well, first of. all, HAARP is sponsored primarily by the Air Force Weather Agency and 'other agencies', and is known to be used as an ionospheric warfare tool. This would be an ideal way to test possible military applications of the instrument. It would be of great military value if :we could cause an entire region to lose electricity almost instantly without dropping a single bomb. Of course, this would need to be tested in a controlled environment where the effects could be thoroughly analyzed (such as on our own soil). It would be done in an area that could most easily handle such a large-scale power outage (such as the northeast US). Also, being in a new age of terrorism, this was an excellent homeland security response test. By having a blackout that covered one quarter of the country we can now see how people would respond, what the strengths and weaknesses of our emergency response systems are, and how quickly we could restore our systems to operating capacity. If this was a military experiment it would certainly have served multiple purposes. I also believe it would have been a strong temptation for anyone with the power to conduct such an experiment to do so.

Conspiracy Theories and Reality

The blame games that have gone on since the blackout have no hard evidence to back them up. Although it may sound like an episode of the X-files, the facts are clear; HAARP is an ionospheric warfare tool, it is capable of focusing it's electromagnetic energy at long distances, it was turned on right at the time the event began, and such a scenario would serve multiple national security interests simultaneously with minimal economic impact. So we must ask ourselves, is considering HAARP as a potential source of the blackout a ridiculous conspiracy theory, or is it the most reasonable explanation given the facts?
I am a concerned ionospheric physicist whom has worked with HAARP. I am concerned with the unknown environmental and military implications of this device, and the potential abuses thereof. I am not a conspiracy nut, and I do believe that HAARP is a useful tool that needs to be put into responsible hands where it is not abused and where the public has full access to it's experimental capabilities and data. It is an instrument that is paid for by tax-payers dollars and is currently not in the hands of people who have earned or deserve our confidence and trust.
So what really happened on August 14? I'm really not sure, but we must ask ourselves what the most likely scenario's are without ruling out any possibilities; even those that sound like they have no place other than the sci-fi channel. "The Truth is out There", so I leave it for you to decide.

Anonymous

Regretfully, because I am a research scientist, and because I face the possibility of certain repercussions in my field of work for revealing this information to the public, I cannot reveal my true identity. I believe the facts I have presented herein are sufficient to speak for themselves and should convince the public that oversight is needed when experimenting with aspects of the atmosphere that are not well known.
The data that is presented was accessed from the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration website at www.sec.noaa.gov, and from the HAARP homepage at www.haarp.alaska.edu .
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As we head into a millennium of what appears to be perpetual war, new technologies are unfolding with nightmarish possibilities.

In previous years, Coastal Post writers have tackled the issue of HAARP, (High Frequency Active Aural Research Project), a research project undertaken jointly by the US military and various corporations (currently Raytheon). The project involves "over the horizon" radar applications. It also holds the ability of acting as an earth tomography instrument. Besides these activities, some observers believe that HAARP is behind the mysterious (and officially denied) "chemtrails."

Ah, those chemtrails. You see them, I see them, the planes responsible for them are clearly visible in a typical day, but according to military and governmental spokespeople, they simply are not there. On a recent December trip into Sonoma, I watched as planes painted them on the sky ahead of me, clouding in the bright horizon over the Sonoma wine country. On the trip back, they were being painted in over the Novato ridgeline, and then again, on the southeast shoulder of Mount Tam. Last night, while watching "The Bourne Identity" on video, the telltale clouds were clearly visible in the movie scenes that had been shot in Paris.

Unlike normal condensation trails, these trails do not dissipate after ten minutes or so. Instead, they expand outwards, remaining as huge cloud like projections, often the length of the sky, floating there for hours after their release. Some observers of this issue claim that these chemtrails can consist of laboratory created RNA, aluminum oxide, ethylene dibromide, barium, and other yucky things. Some chemtrails include polymer fibers. If so, they hold a plethora of risk for the humans below, including neurological disturbances, heart problems, breathing problems, etc.

Critics claim that this chemical porridge allows our DNA to be infiltrated and re-arranged, without our consent. So the activity could be acting like a vaccination program without the consent of the population upon whom it is inflicted. Some known side effects of these chemical trails are increased cases of nosebleeds, asthma, allergies, pneumonia, and upper respiratory complaints with flu-like symptoms.

There are now universal discussions, via the Web, of just how the barium salts, dimethyl bromides, etc. are being discharged into the atmosphere by military and civilian aircraft worldwide. Clifford Carnicom, an expert on chemtrails states, "the results of the current research are now sufficient to establish an analytical basis for the formal investigation of radical atmospheric changes induced by the relatively recent aircraft aerosol operations." Barium and aluminum particles were at one point in our country's history used for cloud-seeding, a practice that fell into disfavor when it was realized that such particles disrupted human health.

An airline manager agreed to talk to civilian investigators about these phenomena. "Airline companies have been participating in something call Project Cloverleaf for a few years now. The earliest date anyone remembers being briefed on it is 1998. I was briefed on it in 1999.

"They told us that the government was going to pay our airline, along with others, to release chemicals from commercial aircraft." The informant then detailed how the government agents would not answer directly any questions related to what the chemicals that would be released were, nor would they explain the actual purpose of this activity. All that was said was that this activity would be "in the public's best interest."

But why would our government decide to create this program? One possibility is that in a frantic campaign to reduce the amount of sunlight hitting our atmosphere by 1 to 2%, a reflective barrier needs to be established in our skies, worldwide. In other words, a way to offset global greenhouse warming.

The other possibility is that as part of the HAARP mission, a particulate grid must be created to allow for the operation of an "over-the horizon" radar system.

HAARP itself is located halfway between Anchorage and Fairbanks Alaska. Its first phase was completed in 1995, and it employed a 3 by 6 grid of 18 antennas. There are three towers designed to transmit extremely low frequency (ELF) waves. When these towers signal such beams on up through the atmosphere, into the ionosphere, they affect the electrojet (the high altitude jetstream, with ultra-high speed winds, that have a good deal to do with the weather patterns on earth below) in a controlled manner. The main strategy consists of beaming these ELF waves in such a way as to hit at right angles to the electrojet. This causes the river of electro-magnetic energy to spread sideways.

But where the discussion of chemtrails and HAARP manage to converge is in the creation and distribution of the chemically enhanced grids. Do these planes with their effluvia spreading out in patterns over our skies have to do with a shielding? Or perhaps a gridding of the planet that would enable the HAARP emissions to flow into the grid and somehow affect the radar capabilities, the weather, etc.?

It is also known that various activities related to HAARP allow for vast earth tomographic investigations. In the US war against Afghanistan, the many tunnels and caves where various Afghans hid during our bombing campaign were mapped out by various new technologies.

The Afghani War was fought mainly by the forces of the United States at night. Using night vision and other devices, we could see in the dark, the enemy could not. Nick Begich, a long-time investigator into HAARP, is predicting that as the Second Iraqi War begins, our new technologies will have completely mapped out those underground installations where Saddam's "weapons of mass destruction" are hidden away.

Interestingly enough, the new technology suggests the totally interwoven structure of the military industrial complex, now a single entity and as powerful as the predicted beast that Eisenhower spoke of. Already, Haliburton, (Vice-President Dick Cheney's corporation), has used technology such as HAARP to allow that corporation to ascertain where underground oil fields exist and where they do not, so that the decisions to drill are always profitable.

Also some of those who have investigated HAARP are also concerned about other applications employing microwave technology that can be used as "mind-control" weapons over civilians. In recent months, Newsweek detailed how a vending machine already exists that can send out a subliminal "audio" signal to whatever human being may be walking by it, with the suggestion that "You are thirsty now. Wouldn't you like a soda." And as this suggestion exists below the normal conscious sensory apparatus of a human, it has an extremely powerful effect. The entire experience takes place through beaming microwave energy at the hapless human.

All over this County, phone crews are updating cable installations, optic fiber channels, and other high tech installations. Some critics have pointed out that these installations could easily carry the "mind-control" microwave pulse signal devices as well. With these devices the subliminal message might not be involved with purchasing sodas, but with causing indifference to an unwanted war.

My reporting on these activities and devices may seem crazy to some readers. However, even if there are no devices to directly manipulate us by the Powers that be, there are other concerns. These include indirect health risks that the cell phone antenna technology, the relentless ELF activity of HAARP playing with the strings of chemtrails in the sky, occurring each minute of each day, might be causing. We as a species have never experienced an onslaught of such electromagnetic pollution before. Although the earth itself operates through a giant magnetic field, the current that it puts out is direct current, not the pulsing emanations of these waves. We are now a guinea pig species. What will come of these experiments will only be known as time unfolds.

Saru
JimmyPhelps, please include a source link with any copied text so that its clear where it has originated.

The above post for example is written in the first person but appears to be copied and pasted from another web site.
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http://proliberty.com/observer/20001112.htm


Evidence: Chemtrails include hazardous barium compounds

by Amy Worthington

The next time you watch chem-spewing jets wreck a blue sky with a toxic fluorescent haze, think BARIUM. There is growing evidence that we are swimming in the stuff. So lets review some facts about a substance we may be eating, drinking and breathing in large quantities.

Leading chemtrail researcher Clifford Carnicom has completed a series of impressive reports citing evidence that our atmosphere is now saturated with barium compounds as a result of the military's on-going weather and atmospheric modification projects. The presence of metallic alkaline salts in rainfall samples collected nationwide indicates that the atmospheric pH is being rapidly modified -- most likely by barium.

Barium facilitates weather mod projects because it can create cloud formations at extremely low humidity, when natural clouds cannot form. Barium oxide (a salt) is a desiccant (drying agent) and can be used by the military to de-humidify clouds and dry up unwanted precipitation. Have your skin, mucus membranes and eyes been very dry lately?

Barium occurs naturally in two primary forms, barium carbonate and barium sulfate. Both of these metallic substances are mined. Many compounds of barium can be developed in a chemical lab, such as barium titanate, a combination of barium, titanium and oxygen. Radioactive barium is a uranium fission product produced when the nucleus of a U-235 atom is hit by a neutron.

We know that America's military-industrial complex has been spewing various forms of barium into our atmosphere for years. The University of Alaska has propelled barium into space in order to study the earth's magnetic field lines. The military used barium salts over enemy territory in Libya, Panama and Iraq, reportedly to make the population sick. A recent report from Wright-Patterson Air Force Base confirms that the Air Force has been spraying barium titanate across the United States to facilitate advanced radar studies.

Chemical handbooks state that barium is highly toxic to human beings. The officially “safe” levels of barium in the environment are quite low, on the order of 1-2 parts per million. The Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry warns that humans who ingest high levels of barium can develop problems with the heart, stomach, liver, kidneys, spleen and other organs. It also confirms that ingesting high levels of water soluble barium compounds can cause:

difficulties in breathing

changes in heart rhythm

increased blood pressure

stomach irritation

brain swelling

muscle weakness

Soluble salts of barium can stimulate all muscles of the body, producing contractions of the skeletal muscles and spasms of the smooth muscles of blood vessels, bronchi, stomach and intestines. These salts can radically increase the force of the heartbeat, a potentially lethal situation for the elderly and the chronically ill. In toxic doses, these salts can cause high blood pressure, asthmatic attacks, burning sensation in the stomach, nausea, vomiting and convulsions. One chemical directory advises that barium be kept out of the reach of children. Great stuff to be spraying over the civilian population of our nation, is it not?

When barium reacts with water to form barium hydroxide, as it would in the moist atmosphere, it liberates much heat. This could explain why, on heavy spray days in warm weather, people complain about the abnormal, almost microwave-type heat they feel. If our benevolent government really cared about global warming, would it spray the atmosphere with heat-generating compounds? Is the government's secret chemtrail aerosol project being used to increase atmospheric heat in order to perpetuate the global warming crisis for the cash cow that it is?

One troubling question not yet answered is: Would the military dare spray us with the radioactive form of barium? If so, it would not be the first time our government has deliberately exposed hapless Americans to radioactive materials which later produce illness and death for countless unsuspecting victims.

For more information go to http://www.carnicom.com/contrails.htm. Click on “A Case for Testing” and the other barium-related reports available at this web site.

jimmyphelps



http://www.au.af.mil/au/2025/volume3/chap15/v3c15-1.htm


Weather as a Force Multiplier:
Owning the Weather in 2025

A Research Paper presented to Air Force 2025

August 1996



from the Executive Summary:

In 2025, US aerospace forces can "own the weather" by capitalizing on emerging technologies and focusing development of those technologies to war-fighting applications. Such a capability offers the war fighter tools to shape the battlespace in ways never before possible. It provides opportunities to impact operations across the full spectrum of conflict and is pertinent to all possible futures. The purpose of this paper is to outline a strategy for the use of a future weather-modification system to achieve military objectives rather than to provide a detailed technical road map.

A high-risk, high-reward endeavor, weather-modification offers a dilemma not unlike the splitting of the atom. While some segments of society will always be reluctant to examine controversial issues such as weather-modification, the tremendous military capabilities that could result from this field are ignored at our own peril. From enhancing friendly operations or disrupting those of the enemy via small-scale tailoring of natural weather patterns to complete dominance of global communications and counterspace control, weather-modification offers the war fighter a wide-range of possible options to defeat or coerce an adversary. Some of the potential capabilities a weather-modification system could provide to a war-fighting commander in chief (CINC) are listed in table 1.
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