I'm going to try this one more time.
Every time I look at the sources here, like ANYTHING by Amy Worthington, I find nothing but conspiracies. This woman has not a single article anywhere that is backed by any hard science that I can find. She is anti-government, ant-vaccination, anti-cellphone, anti-war. She writes for extremist newsletters and is widely quoted on an assortment of conspiracy sites. There is no information that I can find or even reference to information on who or what she is.
As far as the other post about the weather...
Look at this link, and you'll see where the source material came from.
http://www.maxwell.af.mil/au/awc/csat/2025/o_a.pdf
The post implies a lot of stuff. It never explains that this is a fictitious training course designed to teach new Air Force Officers how to react to new technology. This means how to handle new things, from a managerial point of view, such as what paper work is required and who needs to be in the loop. Often, the students are given a program to manage. Some times it's a "widget", a piece of non-existent equipment. Other times it's a new technology that the instructors and students make up.
This is from a TRAINING exercise, not a scientific paper.
Full Version: Chemtrails over North Texas
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Your link for the previous post is broken. Try this one.
http://www.maxwell.af.mil/au/awc/csat/2025/index.htm
There is also this interesting bit from the executive summary of the whole project
"This report contains fictional representations of future situations/scenarios."
Interesting to note that 2025 was an Air University class project. The type of thing where they give students the objective to imagine what the military could be like in 30 years if they had no constraints. Specifically they were asked this question "What capabilities should the USAF have in 2025 to help defend the nation?" Nowhere can I find something that says "What capabilities will the USAF have in 2025". The project was worked on by students attending Air Command and Staff College, Air War College, the Air Force Academy, and various ROTC detachments.
You should read some of the rest of it. Especially now that it is 10 years after the project was done some parts are quite entertaining.
But you already knew all that right?
http://www.maxwell.af.mil/au/awc/csat/2025/index.htm
There is also this interesting bit from the executive summary of the whole project
"This report contains fictional representations of future situations/scenarios."
Interesting to note that 2025 was an Air University class project. The type of thing where they give students the objective to imagine what the military could be like in 30 years if they had no constraints. Specifically they were asked this question "What capabilities should the USAF have in 2025 to help defend the nation?" Nowhere can I find something that says "What capabilities will the USAF have in 2025". The project was worked on by students attending Air Command and Staff College, Air War College, the Air Force Academy, and various ROTC detachments.
You should read some of the rest of it. Especially now that it is 10 years after the project was done some parts are quite entertaining.
But you already knew all that right?
QUOTE(frenat @ Mar 7 2007, 04:07 PM) [snapback]1572209[/snapback]
Your link for the previous post is broken. Try this one.
http://www.maxwell.af.mil/au/awc/csat/2025/index.htm
There is also this interesting bit from the executive summary of the whole project
"This report contains fictional representations of future situations/scenarios."
Interesting to note that 2025 was an Air University class project. The type of thing where they give students the objective to imagine what the military could be like in 30 years if they had no constraints. Specifically they were asked this question "What capabilities should the USAF have in 2025 to help defend the nation?" Nowhere can I find something that says "What capabilities will the USAF have in 2025". The project was worked on by students attending Air Command and Staff College, Air War College, the Air Force Academy, and various ROTC detachments.
You should read some of the rest of it. Especially now that it is 10 years after the project was done some parts are quite entertaining.
But you already knew all that right?
http://www.maxwell.af.mil/au/awc/csat/2025/index.htm
There is also this interesting bit from the executive summary of the whole project
"This report contains fictional representations of future situations/scenarios."
Interesting to note that 2025 was an Air University class project. The type of thing where they give students the objective to imagine what the military could be like in 30 years if they had no constraints. Specifically they were asked this question "What capabilities should the USAF have in 2025 to help defend the nation?" Nowhere can I find something that says "What capabilities will the USAF have in 2025". The project was worked on by students attending Air Command and Staff College, Air War College, the Air Force Academy, and various ROTC detachments.
You should read some of the rest of it. Especially now that it is 10 years after the project was done some parts are quite entertaining.
But you already knew all that right?
That's what my link and previous post are about. Mixing fact and fiction is pretty lame.
QUOTE(eqgumby @ Mar 7 2007, 06:10 PM) [snapback]1572287[/snapback]
That's what my link and previous post are about. Mixing fact and fiction is pretty lame.
Sorry, I was of course replying to the post before yours but got distracted and delayed.
When The Army Owns The Weather - Chemtrails & HAARP
Author: Bob Fitrakis
Humans have long sought to control the weather. Early people learned how to make fire and modify their micro-environments; rain dances and other rituals to alleviate droughts are part of our folklore. So news that the government is engaged in secret experiments to control the weather should come as no surprise -- especially after a long history of "cloud seeding," "atom splitting" and cloning revelations.
In fact, a vast majority of people would be shocked to learn that this orphan of the cold war is still in practice. As the U.S. and former Soviet Union spent trillions of dollars on their militaries, their commitment to mutually assured destruction led to extensive experimentation with the use of weather as a weapon. In 1977, the Saturday Review cited a CIA report hinting that the U.S. government already had the power to massively manipulate the weather for war purposes.
As the Soviet Union disintegrated, a 1993 Isvestia article suggested the U.S. might want to partner with the Russians in peddling their top-secret technology to the world. Oleg Klugin, a high-ranking KGB officer, bragged of his involvement in geophysical weapons research to a London newspaper. The grid patterns of jet chemtrails now spotted throughout the Western world are likely the application of these technologies to new military and civilian uses.
The military is not attempting to hide its long-term goals. "Weather is a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025" is a white paper that can be found on a Pentagon-sponsored website. The paper's abstract reads: "In 2025, U.S. aerospace forces can 'own the weather' by capitalizing on emerging technologies and focusing development of those technologies towards fighting applications. Such a capability offers the war fighters tools to shape the battle space in ways never before possible In the U.S., weather modification will likely become a part of national security policy with both domestic and international applications."
Wired magazine wrote about the paper and extensively quoted physicist Bernard Eastlund in its January 2000 article "Activate Cloud Shield! Zap a Twister!" The article detailed the military's plan for "made-to-order thunderstorms" and "lightning strikes on demand."
Eastlund managed programs for Controlled Thermal Nuclear Research for the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission from 1966 to 1974; he was a key researcher in the 1980s' Strategic Space Initiative (aka Star Wars). Since 1996, Eastlund served as CEO and president of Eastlund Scientific Enterprises Corporation. The company boasts on its website that it specializes in "weather modification" and "tornado modification" among other high-tech services.
Eastlund considers the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) in Alaska a smaller version of what he envisions for weather modification. In response to Michael Theroux of Borderland Sciences -- who asked Eastlund whether the HAARP station could affect the weather -- Eastlund replied: "Significant experiments could be performed The HAARP antenna as is it now configured modulates the auroral electrojet to induce ELF waves and thus could have an effect on the zonal winds."
At the Space 2000 Conference and Exposition on Engineering, Construction, Operations and Business in Space, sponsored by the American Society of Civil Engineers, Eastlund outlined his plan for zapping tornados with an electromagnetic radiation beam from the proposed Thunderstorm Solar Powered Satellite he's developing with the help of the European Space Agency and Jenkins Enterprises.
U.S. patent number 6315213, filed on November 13, is described as a method of modifying weather and should concern the public. A scientist from Wright Patterson Air Force Base acknowledges that planes are spraying barium salt, polymer fibers, aluminum oxide and other chemicals in the atmosphere to both modify the weather and for military communications purposes. The patent abstract specifically states: "The polymer is dispersed into the cloud and the wind of the storm agitates the mixture causing the polymer to absorb the rain. This reaction forms a gelatinous substance which precipitate to the surface below. Thus, diminishing the cloud's ability to rain."
Answering the age-old question, Who'll stop the rain?: Apparently our government and a few of their closest friends in the military industrial-complex. The emergence of Edward Teller promoting this startling technology is more than scary. (Teller was the father of the H-Bomb and grand promoter of Readi Kilowatt, our perky little radiation friend from the '50s; one of his bright ideas from the '50s was to create harbors by nuking our own coastline.) The April 24 New York Times reported that Teller "has promoted the idea of manipulating the Earth's atmosphere to counteract global warming." The computer simulations on the use of aluminum oxide to counter global warming come from the Lawrence Livermore Weapons Laboratory, where Teller serves as director emeritus.
There should be little doubt that this would be a priority for the government -- or for for-profit military contractors. While 2001 was the second-hottest year on record (1998 holds the record as the hottest year), the nine hottest years on record have occurred since 1990. But why would the government conduct anti-global warming experiments in secret?
Investigative reporter William Thomas holds that there's a link between the recent increase in asthma, allergies and upper respiratory ailments and the chemtrail spraying. Sound crazy? Remember, it sounded absurd when reports first came out that the government had conducted radioactivity experiments on U.S. citizens and released radiation from nuclear plants to test the effect on civilian populations. It sounded bizarre when news first filtered out that the government was engaged in the MK-Ultra mind-control experiments using LSD. The CIA and Defense Intelligence Agency admit they were responsible for many of the UFO sightings in the 1950s in order the explain away experimental military technology.
From public documents to mainstream news accounts, the record is filled with reports of weather-modifying technology left over from the Cold War. Now we have a right to know what, if anything, the government plans to do with it.
Source: http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=12342
Author: Bob Fitrakis
Humans have long sought to control the weather. Early people learned how to make fire and modify their micro-environments; rain dances and other rituals to alleviate droughts are part of our folklore. So news that the government is engaged in secret experiments to control the weather should come as no surprise -- especially after a long history of "cloud seeding," "atom splitting" and cloning revelations.
In fact, a vast majority of people would be shocked to learn that this orphan of the cold war is still in practice. As the U.S. and former Soviet Union spent trillions of dollars on their militaries, their commitment to mutually assured destruction led to extensive experimentation with the use of weather as a weapon. In 1977, the Saturday Review cited a CIA report hinting that the U.S. government already had the power to massively manipulate the weather for war purposes.
As the Soviet Union disintegrated, a 1993 Isvestia article suggested the U.S. might want to partner with the Russians in peddling their top-secret technology to the world. Oleg Klugin, a high-ranking KGB officer, bragged of his involvement in geophysical weapons research to a London newspaper. The grid patterns of jet chemtrails now spotted throughout the Western world are likely the application of these technologies to new military and civilian uses.
The military is not attempting to hide its long-term goals. "Weather is a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025" is a white paper that can be found on a Pentagon-sponsored website. The paper's abstract reads: "In 2025, U.S. aerospace forces can 'own the weather' by capitalizing on emerging technologies and focusing development of those technologies towards fighting applications. Such a capability offers the war fighters tools to shape the battle space in ways never before possible In the U.S., weather modification will likely become a part of national security policy with both domestic and international applications."
Wired magazine wrote about the paper and extensively quoted physicist Bernard Eastlund in its January 2000 article "Activate Cloud Shield! Zap a Twister!" The article detailed the military's plan for "made-to-order thunderstorms" and "lightning strikes on demand."
Eastlund managed programs for Controlled Thermal Nuclear Research for the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission from 1966 to 1974; he was a key researcher in the 1980s' Strategic Space Initiative (aka Star Wars). Since 1996, Eastlund served as CEO and president of Eastlund Scientific Enterprises Corporation. The company boasts on its website that it specializes in "weather modification" and "tornado modification" among other high-tech services.
Eastlund considers the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP) in Alaska a smaller version of what he envisions for weather modification. In response to Michael Theroux of Borderland Sciences -- who asked Eastlund whether the HAARP station could affect the weather -- Eastlund replied: "Significant experiments could be performed The HAARP antenna as is it now configured modulates the auroral electrojet to induce ELF waves and thus could have an effect on the zonal winds."
At the Space 2000 Conference and Exposition on Engineering, Construction, Operations and Business in Space, sponsored by the American Society of Civil Engineers, Eastlund outlined his plan for zapping tornados with an electromagnetic radiation beam from the proposed Thunderstorm Solar Powered Satellite he's developing with the help of the European Space Agency and Jenkins Enterprises.
U.S. patent number 6315213, filed on November 13, is described as a method of modifying weather and should concern the public. A scientist from Wright Patterson Air Force Base acknowledges that planes are spraying barium salt, polymer fibers, aluminum oxide and other chemicals in the atmosphere to both modify the weather and for military communications purposes. The patent abstract specifically states: "The polymer is dispersed into the cloud and the wind of the storm agitates the mixture causing the polymer to absorb the rain. This reaction forms a gelatinous substance which precipitate to the surface below. Thus, diminishing the cloud's ability to rain."
Answering the age-old question, Who'll stop the rain?: Apparently our government and a few of their closest friends in the military industrial-complex. The emergence of Edward Teller promoting this startling technology is more than scary. (Teller was the father of the H-Bomb and grand promoter of Readi Kilowatt, our perky little radiation friend from the '50s; one of his bright ideas from the '50s was to create harbors by nuking our own coastline.) The April 24 New York Times reported that Teller "has promoted the idea of manipulating the Earth's atmosphere to counteract global warming." The computer simulations on the use of aluminum oxide to counter global warming come from the Lawrence Livermore Weapons Laboratory, where Teller serves as director emeritus.
There should be little doubt that this would be a priority for the government -- or for for-profit military contractors. While 2001 was the second-hottest year on record (1998 holds the record as the hottest year), the nine hottest years on record have occurred since 1990. But why would the government conduct anti-global warming experiments in secret?
Investigative reporter William Thomas holds that there's a link between the recent increase in asthma, allergies and upper respiratory ailments and the chemtrail spraying. Sound crazy? Remember, it sounded absurd when reports first came out that the government had conducted radioactivity experiments on U.S. citizens and released radiation from nuclear plants to test the effect on civilian populations. It sounded bizarre when news first filtered out that the government was engaged in the MK-Ultra mind-control experiments using LSD. The CIA and Defense Intelligence Agency admit they were responsible for many of the UFO sightings in the 1950s in order the explain away experimental military technology.
From public documents to mainstream news accounts, the record is filled with reports of weather-modifying technology left over from the Cold War. Now we have a right to know what, if anything, the government plans to do with it.
Source: http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=12342
http://carnicom.com/elf19.htm
THE EARTH IS THE ANTENNA
Clifford E Carnicom
Mar 18 2003
Research has been underway for several months in the field of Extremely Low Frequency (ELF) radiation in conjunction with, and as a consequence of the covert aerosol operations that have been conducted for more than four years upon an unconsenting public. Various geometric and artificial radiation patterns are being observed and recorded in this biologically critical frequency range (ELF) of the electromagnetic spectrum.
The fundamental principles of the HAARP (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program) have once again come to the forefront of this research. The role of aerosols, ionization, electromagnetic radiation and the creation of an artificial 'plasma' state in a now artificially modified atmosphere has already been discussed. These building blocks, along with present observations and the stated premise of the HAARP project bring us to a new threshold of understanding of the immediate and direct effects of the HAARP project upon this planet.
Although it has been stated within the literature of HAARP, it can now be directly understood by this researcher that the magnetic field of the earth is a primary medium by which we, as subjects, are being affected. The artificial patterns of ELF energy, characterized by unusual pulsations of frequency, can now be most logically assumed to originate from the HAARP facility or technology. Such energy forms have a myriad of applications in the military arena. Unfortunately, a parallel set of effects upon biological systems, health and mental functioning must also be accepted as a price to be paid.
The issue involved here is no less than that of the control of the planet. Control of the planet with the methods that are used to manifest power -control of your environment, and by affecting your life and health. The tools of war and the prestige of military might often serve as the means of implementation, and it is no different in this case.
A prediction of a technical nature can now be made to to confirm if such a sweeping and dramatic claim can reasonably be made. In essence, it appears that each of us should be able to construct a HAARP "receiver", as it were, to test out the hypothesis. The significance of this test is that it involves frequencies and fundamental physical characterstics of this earth that affect our lives, health and freedom as a species.
A certain event is now expected to occur. This prediction can be tested by those with an interest in the welfare of this planet. If a sufficiently sensitive ELF receiver and a directional antenna is constructed, it is proposed that the primary energy discovered by that system will travel along the magnetic field lines of the earth. The state of knowledge is such that the casual citizen can now know where to point the antenna to see what is being done to him or her without consent. Pulsations and geometric patterns of ELF radiation upon the human species are not to be dismissed; they are to be disclosed and agreed upon by an open society.
It is worthwhile and necessary to relay the introduction to Bernard Eastlund's patent of 1987, entitled, "Method and Apparatus for Altering a Region in the Earth's Atmosphere, Ionsophere, and/or Magnetosphere", which can be regarded fairly as the essence of the HAARP project:
"This invention relates to a method and apparatus for altering at least one selected region normally existing above the earth's surface and more particularly relates to a method and apparatus for altering said at least one region by initially transmitting electromagnetic radiation from the earth's surface essentially parallel to and along naturally-occurring, divergent magnetic field lines which extend from the earth's surface through the region or regions to be altered."
It is hoped that the reader will take the necessary time to understand this conceptual foundation of the HAARP project, and the role of the magnetic field of the earth must become a part of that process. When this comprehension is complete, I would suggest that the title of this paper should more accurately read:
"The Earth's Magnetic Field IS the Antenna, and YOU Are A Part of the Receiver"
Large amounts of energy are being directed into the magnetic field of the earth by the HAARP facility. This energy is being directed along the earth's magnetic field lines to you. It surrounds you and you have no simple means (at least not yet) to evade it. This energy is, in part, as stated within the HAARP literature, within the ELF portion of the electromagnetic spectrum. This ELF radiation, although innocuously claimed to serve communication purposes and the like, DOES have an effect upon biological systems; research into the topic of cyclotronic resonance upon physiologically important ions will further that knowledge. This energy can be detected and observed and its artificial nature identified. It has been measured at a maximum in accordance with the direction of the magnetic lines of the earth. All findings are consistent with over four years of research on the aerosol operations, with applications of environmental, biological, electromagnetic, military and planetary control.
My primary role in these affairs is to provide information and analysis for your review and consideration. Much work remains to be done, as the problems are infinite and the resources of time alone are finite. My appeal is that you use this information to uphold and preserve your health, your dignity and your free will.
Clifford E Carnicom
Mar 17 2003
THE EARTH IS THE ANTENNA
Clifford E Carnicom
Mar 18 2003
Research has been underway for several months in the field of Extremely Low Frequency (ELF) radiation in conjunction with, and as a consequence of the covert aerosol operations that have been conducted for more than four years upon an unconsenting public. Various geometric and artificial radiation patterns are being observed and recorded in this biologically critical frequency range (ELF) of the electromagnetic spectrum.
The fundamental principles of the HAARP (High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program) have once again come to the forefront of this research. The role of aerosols, ionization, electromagnetic radiation and the creation of an artificial 'plasma' state in a now artificially modified atmosphere has already been discussed. These building blocks, along with present observations and the stated premise of the HAARP project bring us to a new threshold of understanding of the immediate and direct effects of the HAARP project upon this planet.
Although it has been stated within the literature of HAARP, it can now be directly understood by this researcher that the magnetic field of the earth is a primary medium by which we, as subjects, are being affected. The artificial patterns of ELF energy, characterized by unusual pulsations of frequency, can now be most logically assumed to originate from the HAARP facility or technology. Such energy forms have a myriad of applications in the military arena. Unfortunately, a parallel set of effects upon biological systems, health and mental functioning must also be accepted as a price to be paid.
The issue involved here is no less than that of the control of the planet. Control of the planet with the methods that are used to manifest power -control of your environment, and by affecting your life and health. The tools of war and the prestige of military might often serve as the means of implementation, and it is no different in this case.
A prediction of a technical nature can now be made to to confirm if such a sweeping and dramatic claim can reasonably be made. In essence, it appears that each of us should be able to construct a HAARP "receiver", as it were, to test out the hypothesis. The significance of this test is that it involves frequencies and fundamental physical characterstics of this earth that affect our lives, health and freedom as a species.
A certain event is now expected to occur. This prediction can be tested by those with an interest in the welfare of this planet. If a sufficiently sensitive ELF receiver and a directional antenna is constructed, it is proposed that the primary energy discovered by that system will travel along the magnetic field lines of the earth. The state of knowledge is such that the casual citizen can now know where to point the antenna to see what is being done to him or her without consent. Pulsations and geometric patterns of ELF radiation upon the human species are not to be dismissed; they are to be disclosed and agreed upon by an open society.
It is worthwhile and necessary to relay the introduction to Bernard Eastlund's patent of 1987, entitled, "Method and Apparatus for Altering a Region in the Earth's Atmosphere, Ionsophere, and/or Magnetosphere", which can be regarded fairly as the essence of the HAARP project:
"This invention relates to a method and apparatus for altering at least one selected region normally existing above the earth's surface and more particularly relates to a method and apparatus for altering said at least one region by initially transmitting electromagnetic radiation from the earth's surface essentially parallel to and along naturally-occurring, divergent magnetic field lines which extend from the earth's surface through the region or regions to be altered."
It is hoped that the reader will take the necessary time to understand this conceptual foundation of the HAARP project, and the role of the magnetic field of the earth must become a part of that process. When this comprehension is complete, I would suggest that the title of this paper should more accurately read:
"The Earth's Magnetic Field IS the Antenna, and YOU Are A Part of the Receiver"
Large amounts of energy are being directed into the magnetic field of the earth by the HAARP facility. This energy is being directed along the earth's magnetic field lines to you. It surrounds you and you have no simple means (at least not yet) to evade it. This energy is, in part, as stated within the HAARP literature, within the ELF portion of the electromagnetic spectrum. This ELF radiation, although innocuously claimed to serve communication purposes and the like, DOES have an effect upon biological systems; research into the topic of cyclotronic resonance upon physiologically important ions will further that knowledge. This energy can be detected and observed and its artificial nature identified. It has been measured at a maximum in accordance with the direction of the magnetic lines of the earth. All findings are consistent with over four years of research on the aerosol operations, with applications of environmental, biological, electromagnetic, military and planetary control.
My primary role in these affairs is to provide information and analysis for your review and consideration. Much work remains to be done, as the problems are infinite and the resources of time alone are finite. My appeal is that you use this information to uphold and preserve your health, your dignity and your free will.
Clifford E Carnicom
Mar 17 2003
http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/forum/thre...d86c2036d3e903a
UNGA RES. 31/72, TIAS 9614
CONVENTION ON THE PROHIBITION OF MILITARY OR ANY OTHER HOSTILE USE OF ENVIRONMENTAL MODIFICATION TECHNIQUES
Adopted by Resolution 31/72 of the United Nations General Assembly on 10 December 1976. The Convention was opened for signature at Geneva on 18 May 1977.
TEXT PUBLISHED IN: United Nations General Assembly Resolution 31/72, Annex; see Official Records of the General Assembly, Thirty-first Session, Supplement No. 39 (A/31/39), pp. 37-38. International Legal Materials, Vol. XVI, No. 1, January 1977, pp. 88-94 (Engl.); World Armaments and Disarmament, SIPRI Yearbook 1978, London 1978, pp. 392-397 (Engl.); Shindler & Toman, eds., "The Laws of Armed Conflicts."
The States Parties to this Convention,
Guided by the interest of consolidating peace, and wishing to contribute to the cause of halting the arms race, and of bringing about general and complete disarmament under strict and effective international control, and of saving mankind from the danger of using new means of warfare,
Determined to continue negotiations with a view to achieving effective progress towards further measures in the field of disarmament,
Recognizing that scientific and technical advances may open new possibilities with respect to modification of the environment,
Recalling the Declaration of the United Nations Conference on the Human Environment, adopted at Stockholm on 16 June 1972,
Realizing that the use of environmental modification techniques for peaceful purposes could improve the interrelationship of man and nature and contribute to the preservation and improvement of the environment for the benefit of present and future generations,
Recognizing, however, that military or any other hostile use of such techniques could have effects extremely harmful to human welfare,
Desiring to prohibit effectively military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques in order to eliminate the dangers to mankind from such use, and affirming their willingness to work towards the achievement of this objective,
Desiring also to contribute to the strengthening of trust among nations and to the further improvement of the international situation in accordance with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations,
Have agreed as follows:
ARTICLE I
1. Each State Party to this Convention undertakes not to engage in military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques having widespread, long-lasting or severe effects as the means of destruction, damage or injury to any other State Party.
2. Each State Party to this Convention undertakes not to assist, encourage or induce any State, group of States or international organization to engage in activities contrary to the provisions of paragraph 1 of this article.
ARTICLE II
As used in article 1, the term "environmental modification techniques" refers to any technique for changing - through the deliberate manipulation of natural processes--the dynamics, composition or structure of the Earth, including its biota, lithosphere, hydrosphere and atmosphere, or of outer space.
ARTICLE III
1. The provisions of this Convention shall not hinder the use of environmental modification techniques for peaceful purposes and shall be without prejudice to the generally recognized principles and applicable rules of international law concerning such use.
2. The States Parties to this Convention undertake to facilitate, and have the right to participate in, the fullest possible exchange of scientific and technological information on the use of environmental modification techniques for peaceful purposes. States Parties in a position to do so shall contribute, alone or together with other States or international organizations, to international economic and scientific co-operation in the preservation, improvement and peaceful utilization of the environment, with due consideration for the needs of the developing areas of the world.
ARTICLE IV
Each State Party to this Convention undertakes to take any measures it considers necessary in accordance with its constitutional processes to prohibit and prevent any activity in violation of the provisions of the Convention anywhere under its jurisdiction or control.
ARTICLE V
1. The States Parties to this Convention undertake to consult one another and to co-operate in solving any problems which may arise in relation to the objectives of, or in the application of the provisions of, the Convention. Consultation and co-operation pursuant to this article may also be undertaken through appropriate international procedures within the framework of the United Nations and in accordance with its Charter. These international procedures may include the services of appropriate international organizations, as well as of a Consultative Committee of Experts as provided for in paragraph 2 of this article.
2. For the purposes set forth in paragraph 1 of this article, the Depositary shall within one month of the receipt of a request from any State Party to this Convention, convene a Consultative Committee of Experts. Any State Party may appoint an expert to the Committee whose functions and rules of procedure are set out in the annex which constitutes an integral part of this Convention. The Committee shall transmit to the Depositary a summary of its findings of fact, incorporating all views and information presented to the Committee during its proceedings. The Depositary shall distribute the summary to all States Parties.
3. Any State Party to this Convention which has reason to believe that any other State Party is acting in breach of obligations deriving from the provisions of the Convention may lodge a complaint with the Security Council of the United Nations. Such a complaint should include all relevant information as well as all possible evidence supporting ItS validity.
4. Each State Party to this Convention undertakes to cooperate in carrying out any investigation which the Security Council may initiate, in accordance with the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, on the basis of the complaint received by the Council. The Security Council shall inform the States Parties of the results of the investigation.
5. Each State Party to this Convention undertakes to provide or support assistance, in accordance with the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, to any State Party which so requests, if the Security Council decides that such Party has been harmed or is likely to be harmed as a result of violation of the Convention.
ARTICLE VI
1. Any State Party to this Convention may propose amendments to the Convention. The text of any proposed amendment shall be submitted to the Depositary, who shall promptly circulate it to all States Parties.
2. An amendment shall enter into force for all States Parties to this Convention which have accepted it, upon the deposit with the Depositary of instruments of acceptance by a majority of States Parties. Thereafter it shall enter into force for any remaining State Party on the date of deposit of its instrument of acceptance.
ARTICLE VII
This Convention shall be of unlimited duration.
ARTICLE VIII
1. Five years after the entry into force of this Convention, a conference of the States Parties to the Convention shall be convened by the Depositary at Geneva, Switzerland. The conference shall review the operation of the Convention with a view to ensuring that its purposes and provisions are being realized, and shall in particular examine the effectiveness of the provisions of paragraph 1 of article I in eliminating the dangers of military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques.
2. At intervals of not less than five years thereafter, a majority of the States Parties to this Convention may obtain, by submitting a proposal to this effect to the Depositary, the convening of a conference with the same objectives.
3. If no conference has been convened pursuant to paragraph 2 of this article within ten years following the conclusion of a previous conference, the Depositary shall solicit the views of all States Parties to this Convention concerning the convening of such a conference. If one third or ten of the States Parties, whichever number is less, respond affirmatively, the Depositary shall take immediate steps to convene the conference.
ARTICLE IX
1. This Convention shall be open to all States for signature. Any State which does not sign the Convention before its entry into force in accordance with paragraph 3 of this article may accede to it at any time.
2. This Convention shall be subject to ratification by signatory States. Instruments of ratification or accession shall be deposited with the Secretary-General of the United Nations.
3. This Convention shall enter into force upon the deposit of instruments of ratification by twenty Governments in accordance with paragraph 2 of this article.
4. For those States whose instruments of ratification or accession are deposited after the entry into force of this Convention, it shall enter into force on the date of the deposit of their instruments of ratification or accession.
5. The Depositary shall promptly inform all signatory and acceding States of the date of each signature, the date of deposit of each instrument of ratification or accession and the date of the entry into force of this Convention and of any amendments thereto, as well as of the receipt of other notices.
6. This Convention shall be registered by the Depositary in accordance with Article 102 of the Charter of the United Nations.
ARTICLE X
This Convention, of which the Arabic, Chinese, English, French, Russian and Spanish texts are equally authentic, shall be deposited with the Secretary-General of the United Nations, who shall send duly certified copies thereof to the Governments of the signatory and acceding States.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the undersigned, being duly authorized thereto, have signed this Convention
Done at Geneva, on the 18 day of May 1977.
(Here follows signatures)
Annex to the Convention
Consultative Committee of Experts
1. The Consultative Committee of Experts shall undertake to make appropriate findings of fact and provide expert views relevant to any problem raised pursuant to paragraph 1 of article V of this Convention by the State Party requesting the convening of the Committee.
2. The work of the Consultative Committee of Experts shall be organized in such a way as to permit it to perform the functions set forth in paragraph 1 of this annex. The Committee shall decide procedural questions relative to the organization of its work, where possible by consensus, but otherwise by a majority of those present and voting. There shall be no voting on matters of substance.
3. The Depositary or his representative shall serve as the Chairman of the Committee.
4. Each expert may be assisted at meetings by one or more advisers.
5. Each expert shall have the right, through the Chairman, to request from States, and from international organizations, such information and assistance as the expert considers desirable for the accomplishment of the Committee's work.
UNGA RES. 31/72, TIAS 9614
CONVENTION ON THE PROHIBITION OF MILITARY OR ANY OTHER HOSTILE USE OF ENVIRONMENTAL MODIFICATION TECHNIQUES
Adopted by Resolution 31/72 of the United Nations General Assembly on 10 December 1976. The Convention was opened for signature at Geneva on 18 May 1977.
TEXT PUBLISHED IN: United Nations General Assembly Resolution 31/72, Annex; see Official Records of the General Assembly, Thirty-first Session, Supplement No. 39 (A/31/39), pp. 37-38. International Legal Materials, Vol. XVI, No. 1, January 1977, pp. 88-94 (Engl.); World Armaments and Disarmament, SIPRI Yearbook 1978, London 1978, pp. 392-397 (Engl.); Shindler & Toman, eds., "The Laws of Armed Conflicts."
The States Parties to this Convention,
Guided by the interest of consolidating peace, and wishing to contribute to the cause of halting the arms race, and of bringing about general and complete disarmament under strict and effective international control, and of saving mankind from the danger of using new means of warfare,
Determined to continue negotiations with a view to achieving effective progress towards further measures in the field of disarmament,
Recognizing that scientific and technical advances may open new possibilities with respect to modification of the environment,
Recalling the Declaration of the United Nations Conference on the Human Environment, adopted at Stockholm on 16 June 1972,
Realizing that the use of environmental modification techniques for peaceful purposes could improve the interrelationship of man and nature and contribute to the preservation and improvement of the environment for the benefit of present and future generations,
Recognizing, however, that military or any other hostile use of such techniques could have effects extremely harmful to human welfare,
Desiring to prohibit effectively military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques in order to eliminate the dangers to mankind from such use, and affirming their willingness to work towards the achievement of this objective,
Desiring also to contribute to the strengthening of trust among nations and to the further improvement of the international situation in accordance with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations,
Have agreed as follows:
ARTICLE I
1. Each State Party to this Convention undertakes not to engage in military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques having widespread, long-lasting or severe effects as the means of destruction, damage or injury to any other State Party.
2. Each State Party to this Convention undertakes not to assist, encourage or induce any State, group of States or international organization to engage in activities contrary to the provisions of paragraph 1 of this article.
ARTICLE II
As used in article 1, the term "environmental modification techniques" refers to any technique for changing - through the deliberate manipulation of natural processes--the dynamics, composition or structure of the Earth, including its biota, lithosphere, hydrosphere and atmosphere, or of outer space.
ARTICLE III
1. The provisions of this Convention shall not hinder the use of environmental modification techniques for peaceful purposes and shall be without prejudice to the generally recognized principles and applicable rules of international law concerning such use.
2. The States Parties to this Convention undertake to facilitate, and have the right to participate in, the fullest possible exchange of scientific and technological information on the use of environmental modification techniques for peaceful purposes. States Parties in a position to do so shall contribute, alone or together with other States or international organizations, to international economic and scientific co-operation in the preservation, improvement and peaceful utilization of the environment, with due consideration for the needs of the developing areas of the world.
ARTICLE IV
Each State Party to this Convention undertakes to take any measures it considers necessary in accordance with its constitutional processes to prohibit and prevent any activity in violation of the provisions of the Convention anywhere under its jurisdiction or control.
ARTICLE V
1. The States Parties to this Convention undertake to consult one another and to co-operate in solving any problems which may arise in relation to the objectives of, or in the application of the provisions of, the Convention. Consultation and co-operation pursuant to this article may also be undertaken through appropriate international procedures within the framework of the United Nations and in accordance with its Charter. These international procedures may include the services of appropriate international organizations, as well as of a Consultative Committee of Experts as provided for in paragraph 2 of this article.
2. For the purposes set forth in paragraph 1 of this article, the Depositary shall within one month of the receipt of a request from any State Party to this Convention, convene a Consultative Committee of Experts. Any State Party may appoint an expert to the Committee whose functions and rules of procedure are set out in the annex which constitutes an integral part of this Convention. The Committee shall transmit to the Depositary a summary of its findings of fact, incorporating all views and information presented to the Committee during its proceedings. The Depositary shall distribute the summary to all States Parties.
3. Any State Party to this Convention which has reason to believe that any other State Party is acting in breach of obligations deriving from the provisions of the Convention may lodge a complaint with the Security Council of the United Nations. Such a complaint should include all relevant information as well as all possible evidence supporting ItS validity.
4. Each State Party to this Convention undertakes to cooperate in carrying out any investigation which the Security Council may initiate, in accordance with the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, on the basis of the complaint received by the Council. The Security Council shall inform the States Parties of the results of the investigation.
5. Each State Party to this Convention undertakes to provide or support assistance, in accordance with the provisions of the Charter of the United Nations, to any State Party which so requests, if the Security Council decides that such Party has been harmed or is likely to be harmed as a result of violation of the Convention.
ARTICLE VI
1. Any State Party to this Convention may propose amendments to the Convention. The text of any proposed amendment shall be submitted to the Depositary, who shall promptly circulate it to all States Parties.
2. An amendment shall enter into force for all States Parties to this Convention which have accepted it, upon the deposit with the Depositary of instruments of acceptance by a majority of States Parties. Thereafter it shall enter into force for any remaining State Party on the date of deposit of its instrument of acceptance.
ARTICLE VII
This Convention shall be of unlimited duration.
ARTICLE VIII
1. Five years after the entry into force of this Convention, a conference of the States Parties to the Convention shall be convened by the Depositary at Geneva, Switzerland. The conference shall review the operation of the Convention with a view to ensuring that its purposes and provisions are being realized, and shall in particular examine the effectiveness of the provisions of paragraph 1 of article I in eliminating the dangers of military or any other hostile use of environmental modification techniques.
2. At intervals of not less than five years thereafter, a majority of the States Parties to this Convention may obtain, by submitting a proposal to this effect to the Depositary, the convening of a conference with the same objectives.
3. If no conference has been convened pursuant to paragraph 2 of this article within ten years following the conclusion of a previous conference, the Depositary shall solicit the views of all States Parties to this Convention concerning the convening of such a conference. If one third or ten of the States Parties, whichever number is less, respond affirmatively, the Depositary shall take immediate steps to convene the conference.
ARTICLE IX
1. This Convention shall be open to all States for signature. Any State which does not sign the Convention before its entry into force in accordance with paragraph 3 of this article may accede to it at any time.
2. This Convention shall be subject to ratification by signatory States. Instruments of ratification or accession shall be deposited with the Secretary-General of the United Nations.
3. This Convention shall enter into force upon the deposit of instruments of ratification by twenty Governments in accordance with paragraph 2 of this article.
4. For those States whose instruments of ratification or accession are deposited after the entry into force of this Convention, it shall enter into force on the date of the deposit of their instruments of ratification or accession.
5. The Depositary shall promptly inform all signatory and acceding States of the date of each signature, the date of deposit of each instrument of ratification or accession and the date of the entry into force of this Convention and of any amendments thereto, as well as of the receipt of other notices.
6. This Convention shall be registered by the Depositary in accordance with Article 102 of the Charter of the United Nations.
ARTICLE X
This Convention, of which the Arabic, Chinese, English, French, Russian and Spanish texts are equally authentic, shall be deposited with the Secretary-General of the United Nations, who shall send duly certified copies thereof to the Governments of the signatory and acceding States.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, the undersigned, being duly authorized thereto, have signed this Convention
Done at Geneva, on the 18 day of May 1977.
(Here follows signatures)
Annex to the Convention
Consultative Committee of Experts
1. The Consultative Committee of Experts shall undertake to make appropriate findings of fact and provide expert views relevant to any problem raised pursuant to paragraph 1 of article V of this Convention by the State Party requesting the convening of the Committee.
2. The work of the Consultative Committee of Experts shall be organized in such a way as to permit it to perform the functions set forth in paragraph 1 of this annex. The Committee shall decide procedural questions relative to the organization of its work, where possible by consensus, but otherwise by a majority of those present and voting. There shall be no voting on matters of substance.
3. The Depositary or his representative shall serve as the Chairman of the Committee.
4. Each expert may be assisted at meetings by one or more advisers.
5. Each expert shall have the right, through the Chairman, to request from States, and from international organizations, such information and assistance as the expert considers desirable for the accomplishment of the Committee's work.
source: Deparment of Energy / Environmental Sciences Division, ER-74
Much of the science that had been planned for the Tropospheric Aerosol Program (TAP) will in the future be conducted under the Department of Energy's Atmospheric Science Program, which, beginning in Fiscal Year 2005, will focus on radiative forcing of climate change by atmospheric aerosols. Interested readers are referred to the ASP web site and to the documents accessible from that page. Because much of the science that had been planned for TAP coincides with planned research in the Atmospheric Science Program, this page is being maintained to provide background technical information. AP Program Plan (March, 2001) presents an overview of the research to be conducted in TAP. This plan is a natural outgrowth of reviews, assessments, and workshops undertaken over the past few years by the National Research Council; the Air Quality Research Subcommittee of the Committee on Environment and Natural Resources, National Science and Technology Council; and NARSTO (originally the North American Research Strategy for Tropospheric Ozone, now with an expanded scope that includes aerosols), a public/private partnership, whose membership spans government, the utilities, industry, and university researchers in Mexico, the United States, and Canada...
http://www.asp.bnl.gov/
# TITLE 15 - COMMERCE AND TRADE
CHAPTER 9A - WEATHER MODIFICATION ACTIVITIES OR ATTEMPTS;
REPORTING REQUIREMENT
Section 330. Definitions
As used in this chapter -
(1) The term "Secretary" means the Secretary of Commerce.
(2) The term "person" means any individual, corporation,
company, association, firm, partnership, society, joint stock
company, any State or local government or any agency thereof, or
any other organization, whether commercial or nonprofit, who is
performing weather modification activities, except where acting
solely as an employee, agent, or independent contractor of the
Federal Government.
(3) The term "weather modification" means any activity
performed with the intention of producing artificial changes in
the composition, behavior, or dynamics of the atmosphere.
(4) The term "United States" includes the several States, the
District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, and any
territory or insular possession of the United States.
Section 330a. Report requirement; form; information; time of submission
No person may engage, or attempt to engage, in any weather
modification activity in the United States unless he submits to the
Secretary such reports with respect thereto, in such form and
containing such information, as the Secretary may by rule
prescribe. The Secretary may require that such reports be submitted
to him before, during, and after any such activity or attempt.
Section 330b. Duties of Secretary
(a) Records, maintenance; summaries, publication
The Secretary shall maintain a record of weather modification
activities, including attempts, which take place in the United
States and shall publish summaries thereof from time to time as he
determines.
(
Public availability of reports, documents, and otherinformation
All reports, documents, and other information received by the
Secretary under the provisions of this chapter shall be made
available to the public to the fullest practicable extent.
© Disclosure of confidential information; prohibition; exceptions
In carrying out the provisions of this section, the Secretary
shall not disclose any information referred to in section 1905 of
title 18 and is otherwise unavailable to the public, except that
such information shall be disclosed -
(1) to other Federal Government departments, agencies, and
officials for official use upon request;
(2) in any judicial proceeding under court order formulated to
preserve the confidentiality of such information without
impairing the proceeding; and
(3) to the public if necessary to protect their health and
safety.
Section 330c. Authority of Secretary
(a) Information; reports and records; inspection; availability of
data from any Federal agency as limitation of authority
The Secretary may obtain from any person whose activities relate
to weather modification by rule, subpena, or otherwise such
information in the form of testimony, books, records, or other
writings, may require the keeping and furnishing of such reports
and records, and may make such inspection of the books, records,
and other writings and premises and property of any person as may
be deemed necessary or appropriate by him to carry out the
provisions of this chapter, but this authority shall not be
exercised to obtain any information with respect to which adequate
and authoritative data are available from any Federal agency.
(
Noncompliance; application of Attorney General; jurisdiction;orders; contempts
In case of contumacy by, or refusal to obey a subpena served upon
any person pursuant to this section, the district court of the
United States for any district in which such person is found or
resides or transacts business, upon application by the Attorney
General, shall have jurisdiction to issue an order requiring such
person to appear and give testimony or to appear and produce
documents, or both; and any failure to obey such order of the court
may be punished by such court as a contempt thereof.
Section 330d. Violation; penalty
Any person who knowingly and willfully violates section 330a of
this title, or any rule issued thereunder, shall upon conviction
thereof be fined not more than $10,000.
Section 330e. Authorization of appropriations
There are authorized to be appropriated $150,000 for the fiscal
year ending June 30, 1972, $200,000 each for the fiscal years 1973
through 1980, $100,000 for the fiscal year ending September 30,
1981, $100,000 for the fiscal year ending September 30, 1986,
$100,000 for the fiscal year ending September 30, 1987, $100,000
for the fiscal year ending September 30, 1988, to carry out the
provisions of this chapter.
Way at the bottom of this page are trails in Europe
Not just the sky but from a satellite so you see how many there are.
You have to weed through the 911, WTC, pentagon, Illuminati, Moon landing, logos, reptiles and conspiracy photos
to get there.
Those Moon shadows are odd, shadows are real even in NASA photos.
The rest seems speculation.
I have not seen too many videos or stills with the plane in front, however I have seen
two videos with lightning balls in front and a still with snake eyes in front.
Not just the sky but from a satellite so you see how many there are.
You have to weed through the 911, WTC, pentagon, Illuminati, Moon landing, logos, reptiles and conspiracy photos
to get there.
Those Moon shadows are odd, shadows are real even in NASA photos.
The rest seems speculation.
I have not seen too many videos or stills with the plane in front, however I have seen
two videos with lightning balls in front and a still with snake eyes in front.
I think we'd all like to hear your own opinion in your own words, jimmyphelphs. Using outside sources to back-up your statements is all well and good, but people have a tendency to just skip over any large quantity of material that has just been cut and pasted. You'll probably get more people reading your opinions if they see that it is actually your opinion and not just someone else's thoughts.
QUOTE(Paranoid Android @ Mar 8 2007, 04:09 PM) [snapback]1572795[/snapback]
I think we'd all like to hear your own opinion in your own words, jimmyphelphs. Using outside sources to back-up your statements is all well and good, but people have a tendency to just skip over any large quantity of material that has just been cut and pasted. You'll probably get more people reading your opinions if they see that it is actually your opinion and not just someone else's thoughts.
Ditto.
The only thing I can add here is that in San Antonio, we have a nasty thing called mountain cedar which spikes at certain times (don't know what the conditions are that make it spike) which is believable and documented, I'm sure. It's 2:00 a.m. and I'm not trying to look it up right now. But a strange thing happened this flu season. The majority of San Antonio got sick with what everyone thought was the flu, the emergency rooms overflowed, people thought they were dying. I had it myself, for six weeks, my daughter had it, neighbors, family, everyone. Everyone that went to the doctor was told it was allergy to mountain cedar. Of course there's another theory that it was the Helotes fire, but that is still burning I think and no one's sick anymore now.
But everyone thought it was weird how much this particular season of mountain cedar mimicked flu symptoms, morphed from head cold to chest cold to bronchitis-like symptoms then sinus infection then back to flu. I still feel it lurking in the depths of my lungs, still have a cough and can't breathe deep or I'll start wheezing and hacking. Of course I have asthma, too, but beside the point because it's having this lingering effect on everyone. And the people who have more contact with the public (school kids, people in service industries) seemed to spread it among themelves, more so than like people who live alone or what have you and don't mingle with the public as much.
That's some mountain cedar we have here.
But everyone thought it was weird how much this particular season of mountain cedar mimicked flu symptoms, morphed from head cold to chest cold to bronchitis-like symptoms then sinus infection then back to flu. I still feel it lurking in the depths of my lungs, still have a cough and can't breathe deep or I'll start wheezing and hacking. Of course I have asthma, too, but beside the point because it's having this lingering effect on everyone. And the people who have more contact with the public (school kids, people in service industries) seemed to spread it among themelves, more so than like people who live alone or what have you and don't mingle with the public as much.
That's some mountain cedar we have here.
QUOTE(Paranoid Android @ Mar 8 2007, 05:09 AM) [snapback]1572795[/snapback]
I think we'd all like to hear your own opinion in your own words, jimmyphelphs. Using outside sources to back-up your statements is all well and good, but people have a tendency to just skip over any large quantity of material that has just been cut and pasted. You'll probably get more people reading your opinions if they see that it is actually your opinion and not just someone else's thoughts.
Hear hear!
Reproducing rubbish that others have written simply reveals your ignorance of the subject. Instead of surfing the net for science fiction, try reading up on what contrails are, how and why they form, and how and why they may be affecting global climates.
And then give us your opinions.
btw I sometimes think the whole chemtrail conspiracy thing is just a silly disinformation exercise aimed at drawing attention aware from the real impacts of increased aircraft activity ..... (It may be significant that Chemtrail conspiracy theorists rarely if ever mention the real impacts that such persistent contrails may be having, nor the amount of scientific research currently being carried out to determine ways of preventing them)
texasgirlheather: can't comment directly on your experience, but if anything were being sprayed at high altitude - as some chemtrail conspiracy theorists claim - it'd affect half of N America and, depending on conditions at the time, could easily spread half way around the world.
QUOTE(Paranoid Android @ Mar 8 2007, 05:09 AM) [snapback]1572795[/snapback]
I think we'd all like to hear your own opinion in your own words, jimmyphelphs. Using outside sources to back-up your statements is all well and good, but people have a tendency to just skip over any large quantity of material that has just been cut and pasted. You'll probably get more people reading your opinions if they see that it is actually your opinion and not just someone else's thoughts.
I started this thread using that method ive been in this thread since page seven
I really tire of repeating myself over and over again for those to lazy to go back to the start
QUOTE(Essan @ Mar 8 2007, 01:11 PM) [snapback]1573192[/snapback]
Hear hear!
Reproducing rubbish that others have written simply reveals your ignorance of the subject.
you always know your getting somehwere when all people do is Insult you thanks for the compliment really
Instead of surfing the net for science fiction, try reading up on what contrails are, how and why they form, and how and why they may be affecting global climates.
well chumly had you read through the thread youd by now Know that I know exactly what contrails are i have never disputed them not one time but you know your s**t so who am i right? I know how and when they form Im an Ex Jet engine mechanic i think im fairly qualified in how jet engines work and the things they can and cannot due THE IGNORANCE comes in when you havent bothered to investigate a thread ive been participating in since page 7............pull your head out of .......you get the idea pal
And then give us your opinions.
as stated above troll............ Page 7 is where i statrted in this thread, you havent bothered to read anything?just decided youd impart us with some of your brand of flotsam i see............. I am used to you and your kind ,its ok bud I understand your shortcomings
btw I sometimes think the whole chemtrail conspiracy thing is just a silly disinformation exercise aimed at drawing attention aware from the real impacts of increased aircraft activity ..... (It may be significant that Chemtrail conspiracy theorists rarely if ever mention the real impacts that such persistent contrails may be having, nor the amount of scientific research currently being carried out to determine ways of preventing them)
well thanks so much you actually do have something to say besides insulting me interesting..........there is an impact of contrail traffic you are correct..........and yes even some are trying to formulate ways to lessen theyre effects ......but if you had any inkling of where i TRULY stood on this YOUD Know that i am aware of all of what you say...Thie disinformation comes in the form of posters like you and the Hundreds of others like you........like i say buddy page 7
texasgirlheather: can't comment directly on your experience, but if anything were being sprayed at high altitude - as some chemtrail conspiracy theorists claim - it'd affect half of N America and, depending on conditions at the time, could easily spread half way around the world.
it sure would................and that is precisely why it is done Reproducing rubbish that others have written simply reveals your ignorance of the subject.
you always know your getting somehwere when all people do is Insult you thanks for the compliment really
Instead of surfing the net for science fiction, try reading up on what contrails are, how and why they form, and how and why they may be affecting global climates.
well chumly had you read through the thread youd by now Know that I know exactly what contrails are i have never disputed them not one time but you know your s**t so who am i right? I know how and when they form Im an Ex Jet engine mechanic i think im fairly qualified in how jet engines work and the things they can and cannot due THE IGNORANCE comes in when you havent bothered to investigate a thread ive been participating in since page 7............pull your head out of .......you get the idea pal
And then give us your opinions.
as stated above troll............ Page 7 is where i statrted in this thread, you havent bothered to read anything?just decided youd impart us with some of your brand of flotsam i see............. I am used to you and your kind ,its ok bud I understand your shortcomings
btw I sometimes think the whole chemtrail conspiracy thing is just a silly disinformation exercise aimed at drawing attention aware from the real impacts of increased aircraft activity ..... (It may be significant that Chemtrail conspiracy theorists rarely if ever mention the real impacts that such persistent contrails may be having, nor the amount of scientific research currently being carried out to determine ways of preventing them)
well thanks so much you actually do have something to say besides insulting me interesting..........there is an impact of contrail traffic you are correct..........and yes even some are trying to formulate ways to lessen theyre effects ......but if you had any inkling of where i TRULY stood on this YOUD Know that i am aware of all of what you say...Thie disinformation comes in the form of posters like you and the Hundreds of others like you........like i say buddy page 7
texasgirlheather: can't comment directly on your experience, but if anything were being sprayed at high altitude - as some chemtrail conspiracy theorists claim - it'd affect half of N America and, depending on conditions at the time, could easily spread half way around the world.
thanks for insulting er uh posting
QUOTE(texasgirlheather @ Mar 8 2007, 08:06 AM) [snapback]1572956[/snapback]
The only thing I can add here is that in San Antonio, we have a nasty thing called mountain cedar which spikes at certain times (don't know what the conditions are that make it spike) which is believable and documented, I'm sure. It's 2:00 a.m. and I'm not trying to look it up right now. But a strange thing happened this flu season. The majority of San Antonio got sick with what everyone thought was the flu, the emergency rooms overflowed, people thought they were dying. I had it myself, for six weeks, my daughter had it, neighbors, family, everyone. Everyone that went to the doctor was told it was allergy to mountain cedar. Of course there's another theory that it was the Helotes fire, but that is still burning I think and no one's sick anymore now.
But everyone thought it was weird how much this particular season of mountain cedar mimicked flu symptoms, morphed from head cold to chest cold to bronchitis-like symptoms then sinus infection then back to flu. I still feel it lurking in the depths of my lungs, still have a cough and can't breathe deep or I'll start wheezing and hacking. Of course I have asthma, too, but beside the point because it's having this lingering effect on everyone. And the people who have more contact with the public (school kids, people in service industries) seemed to spread it among themelves, more so than like people who live alone or what have you and don't mingle with the public as much.
That's some mountain cedar we have here.
But everyone thought it was weird how much this particular season of mountain cedar mimicked flu symptoms, morphed from head cold to chest cold to bronchitis-like symptoms then sinus infection then back to flu. I still feel it lurking in the depths of my lungs, still have a cough and can't breathe deep or I'll start wheezing and hacking. Of course I have asthma, too, but beside the point because it's having this lingering effect on everyone. And the people who have more contact with the public (school kids, people in service industries) seemed to spread it among themelves, more so than like people who live alone or what have you and don't mingle with the public as much.
That's some mountain cedar we have here.
there are and have been wide reporting of phenomenon just like this all over the world Not just the united states
it may be related to the spraying ..............but my gut says not take a look at operation cloverleaf and try carnicom.com
Clifford carnicom has been doing scientific research on the trails for years now he has a fair data base to look at
thanks for posting
QUOTE(joc @ May 15 2006, 10:03 PM) [snapback]1190791[/snapback]
Last Saturday I witnessed Chemtrails over my city....McKinney, Texas. We are 25 miles north of Dallas. I never thought much about stuff like that until a friend in Dallas mentioned it...I thought she was a bit looney at first and told her it was just jets....
....it isn't...I have begun research on ChemTrails and have discovered many believe that the military is spraying 'stuff' over our cities to make us weak or sickly because the NWO will more easily take over a sickly class of people.
I don't buy all that...yet...but I definately saw ChemTrails and they were most definitely NOT jet airplane vapor.
Have you seen them? Any insight or personal stories?
...btw, Saturday night...both my wife and I had headaches...I rarely get headaches...coincidence? I don't think so....
....it isn't...I have begun research on ChemTrails and have discovered many believe that the military is spraying 'stuff' over our cities to make us weak or sickly because the NWO will more easily take over a sickly class of people.
I don't buy all that...yet...but I definately saw ChemTrails and they were most definitely NOT jet airplane vapor.
Have you seen them? Any insight or personal stories?
...btw, Saturday night...both my wife and I had headaches...I rarely get headaches...coincidence? I don't think so....
u think they are designed to give serious sickness? like a month ago, i got a HUGE case of the flu, felt like i was gonna freakin die, took a week to recover, and i never get sick, almost NEVER, it had been months since even the simplest cold, coincidence? i dont think so either. . .
QUOTE(lifeanddeath @ Mar 8 2007, 03:41 PM) [snapback]1573339[/snapback]
u think they are designed to give serious sickness? like a month ago, i got a HUGE case of the flu, felt like i was gonna freakin die, took a week to recover, and i never get sick, almost NEVER, it had been months since even the simplest cold, coincidence? i dont think so either. . .
check hospital records nationwide for the last 2 months youll be surprised at the results
take a few minutes when you see a day full of LONG LASTING contrails write down the day and thencheck the weeks following this winter has been easy
to track this flu went coast to coast and followed a pattern of spraying
I like this one, totally we will not find the truth for this:
I always blame it on UFOs. Its like they are telling the government: Support ME, Support ME.
I was just reading about Tesla and his one wire bulb. I assume it runs at a higher frequency than 60Hz.
So he figured, why not just stick it in the ground, or wire to the ground, with the earth electrified.
I think the frequency would disrupt cell and satellite communications now, after all they are using
his coils perhaps to generate the frequencies.
Those UFOs seem to get stuck in air at times. If they are experimental craft then they are quite not ready for
prime time.
QUOTE
Did a Secret Military Experiment Cause the 2003 Blackout?
Anonymous, Unknown et al
Abstract. On August 14, 2003, just a few minutes after the stock market closed for the day, a nine-minute 'event' had brought the entire Northeastern power grid down. It is believed that over fifty million people lost power that afternoon. Since this unprecedented event, blame games have flown back and forth, but no real answers have been provided. It is believed that the event originated in an area in the power grid where there is a bottleneck of power transmission between the eastern U.S. and the Midwest. But what has caused this mess? Outdated equipment, irresponsible power companies, and politicians have all been blamed without any solid evidence to support the accusations. What hasn't been suggested is the possibility that this was a secret government test that served the purpose of fulfilling requirements for sophisticated warfare and security response mechanisms.
Anonymous, Unknown et al
Abstract. On August 14, 2003, just a few minutes after the stock market closed for the day, a nine-minute 'event' had brought the entire Northeastern power grid down. It is believed that over fifty million people lost power that afternoon. Since this unprecedented event, blame games have flown back and forth, but no real answers have been provided. It is believed that the event originated in an area in the power grid where there is a bottleneck of power transmission between the eastern U.S. and the Midwest. But what has caused this mess? Outdated equipment, irresponsible power companies, and politicians have all been blamed without any solid evidence to support the accusations. What hasn't been suggested is the possibility that this was a secret government test that served the purpose of fulfilling requirements for sophisticated warfare and security response mechanisms.
I always blame it on UFOs. Its like they are telling the government: Support ME, Support ME.
I was just reading about Tesla and his one wire bulb. I assume it runs at a higher frequency than 60Hz.
So he figured, why not just stick it in the ground, or wire to the ground, with the earth electrified.
I think the frequency would disrupt cell and satellite communications now, after all they are using
his coils perhaps to generate the frequencies.
Those UFOs seem to get stuck in air at times. If they are experimental craft then they are quite not ready for
prime time.
Tesla's theories in my opinion are totally related to chemtrails
just look up it happens almost daily keep your eyes to the horizon
soon enough you will see it too
I Know i used be a non believer like many of you
youll see in time if you have an open mind
Just look up
just look up it happens almost daily keep your eyes to the horizon
soon enough you will see it too
I Know i used be a non believer like many of you
youll see in time if you have an open mind
Just look up
QUOTE(jimmyphelps @ Mar 8 2007, 11:03 AM) [snapback]1573373[/snapback]
check hospital records nationwide for the last 2 months youll be surprised at the results
It's not called flu season for nothing. 
Cases of the flu go up a lot every year around this time.
Maybe so
But the reality of heavy metals like Barium and aluminum oxide is that they do affect the mammal groups
In particular Barium poisioning is actually ingested into ones system VIA the gastrointestinal tract....whether your a deer
or a human any barium being introduced via microscopic particles in aeresol disbursements would then be uptaken
through the stomach
Look at the last 5 yrs of television commercials and newspaper and magazine ads there is a NEW PLETHORA
of Medicines availible by the corporate controlled pharmecuetical industry they are all designed for gastro intestinal
disorders or stomach disorders ......what a co-incidence? or is it? barium present in the air we are breathing would cause this
and it will slowly poision us and lower our immune systems ability to ward of Common Virus like the flu
It does seem in many cases that the amount of reported flus directly goes up in the days to week after a heavy spraying area it
Seems to really only affect the elderly and the young as theyre Immune systems are more delicate than the rest of ours again
I am not suggesting that this is "PROOF" of anything Just some very very strange co-incidences
But the reality of heavy metals like Barium and aluminum oxide is that they do affect the mammal groups
In particular Barium poisioning is actually ingested into ones system VIA the gastrointestinal tract....whether your a deer
or a human any barium being introduced via microscopic particles in aeresol disbursements would then be uptaken
through the stomach
Look at the last 5 yrs of television commercials and newspaper and magazine ads there is a NEW PLETHORA
of Medicines availible by the corporate controlled pharmecuetical industry they are all designed for gastro intestinal
disorders or stomach disorders ......what a co-incidence? or is it? barium present in the air we are breathing would cause this
and it will slowly poision us and lower our immune systems ability to ward of Common Virus like the flu
It does seem in many cases that the amount of reported flus directly goes up in the days to week after a heavy spraying area it
Seems to really only affect the elderly and the young as theyre Immune systems are more delicate than the rest of ours again
I am not suggesting that this is "PROOF" of anything Just some very very strange co-incidences
QUOTE
Maybe so
There is no maybe about it.QUOTE
Look at the last 5 yrs of television commercials and newspaper and magazine ads there is a NEW PLETHORA
of Medicines availible by the corporate controlled pharmecuetical industry they are all designed for gastro intestinal
disorders or stomach disorders ......what a co-incidence? or is it? barium present in the air we are breathing would cause this
and it will slowly poision us and lower our immune systems ability to ward of Common Virus like the flu
Advertisement of meds have increased greatly in general so what's your point?of Medicines availible by the corporate controlled pharmecuetical industry they are all designed for gastro intestinal
disorders or stomach disorders ......what a co-incidence? or is it? barium present in the air we are breathing would cause this
and it will slowly poision us and lower our immune systems ability to ward of Common Virus like the flu
QUOTE
It does seem in many cases that the amount of reported flus directly goes up in the days to week after a heavy spraying area it
Seems to really only affect the elderly and the young as theyre Immune systems are more delicate than the rest of ours again
I am not suggesting that this is "PROOF" of anything Just some very very strange co-incidences
Assuming something is true with no proof and building a theory on it is ill-advised.
Seems to really only affect the elderly and the young as theyre Immune systems are more delicate than the rest of ours again
I am not suggesting that this is "PROOF" of anything Just some very very strange co-incidences
QUOTE(Ashigaru @ Mar 12 2007, 03:35 PM) [snapback]1579030[/snapback]
There is no maybe about it.
if you say so. thanks for your Opinion
Advertisement of meds have increased greatly in general so what's your point?
the point i made was quite clear
Assuming something is true with no proof and building a theory on it is ill-advised.
discussing the possibilty of something happening, is not assuming it is true? discussions are one way to build theory! thanks again for your opinion
if you say so. thanks for your Opinion
Advertisement of meds have increased greatly in general so what's your point?
the point i made was quite clear
Assuming something is true with no proof and building a theory on it is ill-advised.
discussing the possibilty of something happening, is not assuming it is true? discussions are one way to build theory! thanks again for your opinion
thanks for posting
QUOTE
if you say so. thanks for your Opinion
Its not my opinion. Its fact from the CDC.QUOTE
the point i made was quite clear
You had no valid point. You say advertisement for stomach problems have increased. But so has every other type of medication. You can't just cherry-pick details and take them out of context to support your side of an argument.QUOTE
discussing the possibilty of something happening, is not assuming it is true? discussions are one way to build theory! thanks again for your opinion
You didn't say that chemtrails were a possibility. You implied they are real although you lack any evidence. I would also like to see proof that flu cases go up a few days after "spraying".
Thanks for your participation
I finally have an answer to why there are so many hits on this thread (a point some people love to point out).
It's a frigging train wreck. You just can't stop looking, despite the horror.
Ashi is just one in a long list of people that are unwilling to take conjecture, supposition, and leaps of imagination as fact or proof of any conspiracy related to chemtrails or contrails. My "subscription" to this thread is done.
It's a frigging train wreck. You just can't stop looking, despite the horror.
Ashi is just one in a long list of people that are unwilling to take conjecture, supposition, and leaps of imagination as fact or proof of any conspiracy related to chemtrails or contrails. My "subscription" to this thread is done.
I'm not sure the number of views is counting correctly anyway. I've seen other threads get 4 or 5 responses but still have zero views with the number of views changing hours later.
QUOTE(frenat @ Mar 12 2007, 08:12 PM) [snapback]1579377[/snapback]
I'm not sure the number of views is counting correctly anyway. I've seen other threads get 4 or 5 responses but still have zero views with the number of views changing hours later.
may i ask what any of that has to do with the thread?
just curious...im sure the number of views is correct pick any message board you like that has a chemtrail thread
youll find the same phenomenon as you do here.........and BTW I certainly havent said i had PROOF of anything? so nor has any of the others discussing this
although the non-believers have certainly claimed Proof repeatedly? This is par for the course on chemtrails i find it everywhere ive ever been
as ive repeated a many times Dont listen to Us readaers...........Just look up.look to the horizon.pay attention.
In time you will see what it is we are discussing for many of you it will take some time to finally see it ,others of you will Never see it
and still others are determined to make sure that anyone discussing it is ridiculed harrassed and otherwise
the reality IN MY EXPERIENCE elsewhere as a Admin .....is that the chemtrail thread i have going there has Just as many hits as this one and climba all the time......
as an admin i have ability to see whos hitting our pages and as i and others here in the past have stated ,,,,in MY OWN EXPERIENCE there have been an astounding
Number of hits at the site I admin By the Militray as well as Nasa and Noaa............i have seen people here ridiculed for pointing this out and people are quick to jump in and say wheres your proof........knowing full well if you are not an Admin of this site You have NO WAY to provide the proof for that occurring here.....
I could provide proof of it elsewhere But what does that do in proving it occurs here?it dosent so why bother...........? it is a very common occurance any of us who are activly pursuing the issue are well aware of the high amount of views this subject garners .we are als well aware that there are those here that are here simply to convulute
th issue by well we will call it other means..........
People .readers....................Dont listen to us ...Look up in the sky particularly early morning and late afternoon and generally 2-4 days ahead of a weather front watch the horizon.watch the ballet as it takes place after a certain period of time it will hit you .if your paying attention the questions will come natural to you to.....interesting thing is that recently a new Cartoon movie was released.called OVER THE HEDGE Find the trailer for this movie or watch the movie if you have it look in the sky
what do you see in many many of the shots? yes that right streaking contrails from horizon to horizon and stretching in angles etc. interesting that these are in the cartoon?
I think so so either an animator is trying to tell us something and played a joke with the streaked skies ...or perhaps something more sinister?...mass desensitization taking place at a really early age
at the least in interesting co-incidence again Not proof of anything just something interesting
any ways
thanks for posting
QUOTE(eqgumby @ Mar 12 2007, 08:02 PM) [snapback]1579366[/snapback]
I finally have an answer to why there are so many hits on this thread (a point some people love to point out).
It's a frigging train wreck. You just can't stop looking, despite the horror.
Ashi is just one in a long list of people that are unwilling to take conjecture, supposition, and leaps of imagination as fact or proof of any conspiracy related to chemtrails or contrails. My "subscription" to this thread is done.
It's a frigging train wreck. You just can't stop looking, despite the horror.
Ashi is just one in a long list of people that are unwilling to take conjecture, supposition, and leaps of imagination as fact or proof of any conspiracy related to chemtrails or contrails. My "subscription" to this thread is done.
so you had said before.
I never said i had "proof" of anything?
I'm discussing with people what they may be and whay they may be occurring
if i discuss something it does not necessarily mean that i automatically claim
it to be factual or proof I provide information that i feel answers some of the
re-occurring questions about contrails.I followed up on some of the other posters in thsi thread concerning
military projcts ongoing that use aeresols and are documented as actual live programs
I have provide my views as well as concurred with othr views in this thread
none of which says I claimed any proof?
thanks for your views
thanks for posting
In live near Kansas City, MO and I've seen quite a few strange trails in the sky. Sometimes they even curve!
Just recently, there was a huge chem fire that threatened the entire East Bottoms of KC. A chemical plant quickly burst into flames when tanks of chemicals exploded inside the factory. The explosions were heard several miles away. The East Bottoms was evacuated until the next day. The fire burned well into the night, putting a huge cloud of black smoke into the air. Firefighters only watched the fire and made sure it didn't spread because they had no idea what the chemicals were. After dark, firefighters were allowed to fight the fire, because they learned the chemicals would not dangerously react to water.
The identification of the chemicals was never released to the public.
Just recently, there was a huge chem fire that threatened the entire East Bottoms of KC. A chemical plant quickly burst into flames when tanks of chemicals exploded inside the factory. The explosions were heard several miles away. The East Bottoms was evacuated until the next day. The fire burned well into the night, putting a huge cloud of black smoke into the air. Firefighters only watched the fire and made sure it didn't spread because they had no idea what the chemicals were. After dark, firefighters were allowed to fight the fire, because they learned the chemicals would not dangerously react to water.
The identification of the chemicals was never released to the public.
QUOTE(TheHerb420 @ Mar 12 2007, 11:59 PM) [snapback]1579797[/snapback]
In live near Kansas City, MO and I've seen quite a few strange trails in the sky. Sometimes they even curve!
Just recently, there was a huge chem fire that threatened the entire East Bottoms of KC. A chemical plant quickly burst into flames when tanks of chemicals exploded inside the factory. The explosions were heard several miles away. The East Bottoms was evacuated until the next day. The fire burned well into the night, putting a huge cloud of black smoke into the air. Firefighters only watched the fire and made sure it didn't spread because they had no idea what the chemicals were. After dark, firefighters were allowed to fight the fire, because they learned the chemicals would not dangerously react to water.
The identification of the chemicals was never released to the public.
Just recently, there was a huge chem fire that threatened the entire East Bottoms of KC. A chemical plant quickly burst into flames when tanks of chemicals exploded inside the factory. The explosions were heard several miles away. The East Bottoms was evacuated until the next day. The fire burned well into the night, putting a huge cloud of black smoke into the air. Firefighters only watched the fire and made sure it didn't spread because they had no idea what the chemicals were. After dark, firefighters were allowed to fight the fire, because they learned the chemicals would not dangerously react to water.
The identification of the chemicals was never released to the public.
Thanks for the report on the fires
Im not sure what it has to do with chemtrails,if anything
but it was an interesting story and certainly Chemical related
thanks for posting
QUOTE(jimmyphelps @ Mar 8 2007, 04:03 PM) [snapback]1573373[/snapback]
check hospital records nationwide for the last 2 months youll be surprised at the results
take a few minutes when you see a day full of LONG LASTING contrails write down the day and thencheck the weeks following this winter has been easy
to track this flu went coast to coast and followed a pattern of spraying
take a few minutes when you see a day full of LONG LASTING contrails write down the day and thencheck the weeks following this winter has been easy
to track this flu went coast to coast and followed a pattern of spraying
Just remember that if you see contrails above you today, anything other than water than might be contain in them will be reaching Earth sometime in the next few weeks several thousand miles downwind ..... Most likely as the nuclei to raindrops.
if they were using aeroplanes as a means to distribute chemical weapons, wouldnt they make the chemical... clear?
Ive always had a problem with chemtrails, and i know there is a history of chemical/biological experiments on humans in terrible ways, but surely you would use something that wasnt visible if you were going to do it in such a public way?
Any military grade chemical weapon would be clear, otherwise troops/targets could see the stuff coming.. right?
Ive always had a problem with chemtrails, and i know there is a history of chemical/biological experiments on humans in terrible ways, but surely you would use something that wasnt visible if you were going to do it in such a public way?
Any military grade chemical weapon would be clear, otherwise troops/targets could see the stuff coming.. right?
QUOTE(jimmyphelps @ Mar 13 2007, 10:28 AM) [snapback]1580653[/snapback]
Thanks for the report on the fires
Im not sure what it has to do with chemtrails,if anything
but it was an interesting story and certainly Chemical related
thanks for posting
Im not sure what it has to do with chemtrails,if anything
but it was an interesting story and certainly Chemical related
thanks for posting
Well, if these chemtrails are part of some kind of conspiracy, they would have to make the chemicals somewhere. Maybe this chem plant was produced these chemicals and because it was unstable it ignited, and to keep the chemtrails secret, didn't release any information about the chemicals?
QUOTE(jonb @ Mar 13 2007, 07:11 PM) [snapback]1581357[/snapback]
if they were using aeroplanes as a means to distribute chemical weapons, wouldnt they make the chemical... clear?
Ive always had a problem with chemtrails, and i know there is a history of chemical/biological experiments on humans in terrible ways, but surely you would use something that wasnt visible if you were going to do it in such a public way?
Any military grade chemical weapon would be clear, otherwise troops/targets could see the stuff coming.. right?
You will find when most conspiracy theories have logic applied to them they are completely irrational. Conspiracy theorist have problems with logic and suffer from varying degrees of paranoia.
Ive always had a problem with chemtrails, and i know there is a history of chemical/biological experiments on humans in terrible ways, but surely you would use something that wasnt visible if you were going to do it in such a public way?
Any military grade chemical weapon would be clear, otherwise troops/targets could see the stuff coming.. right?
QUOTE(jonb @ Mar 14 2007, 12:11 AM) [snapback]1581357[/snapback]
if they were using aeroplanes as a means to distribute chemical weapons, wouldnt they make the chemical... clear?
Ive always had a problem with chemtrails, and i know there is a history of chemical/biological experiments on humans in terrible ways, but surely you would use something that wasnt visible if you were going to do it in such a public way?
Any military grade chemical weapon would be clear, otherwise troops/targets could see the stuff coming.. right?
Ive always had a problem with chemtrails, and i know there is a history of chemical/biological experiments on humans in terrible ways, but surely you would use something that wasnt visible if you were going to do it in such a public way?
Any military grade chemical weapon would be clear, otherwise troops/targets could see the stuff coming.. right?
Actually I really dont think its a weapon .
nor do i think its being used to Purposely hurt mankind, although there are many theories of chemtrails that do discuss this
as we were just discussing the flu........My actual strongest beliefs are in 3 areas one that concerns a sunscreen to help or change
the effects of warming by the suns rays
another area is defenitly related to Ulf Elf and VLF as well as the rfmp program they use aeresols containing charged mettalic particles for
varying technologies one being world wide radio communications to the fleet without the aid of sattelites ...another being used for seeing 3d
Imagery by also using charged aeresols containing metals like barium and aluminum oxide
and yet another area i also am looking into currently is again using charged metals in aeresol form sparayed via contrail to
search for Electro magenetic energy being used in HAARP type weather mods.china and russia as well as the US ahve Ionspheric
super heaters.Like the HAARP installation again the charged particles allow them to remain aloft far longer and remain visible to
actually see the effects of the current em fronts
the problem being particularly with barium and aluminum oxide is that they do affect the Mammal group of species
Barium and metals like it are generall intaken through the gastro intestinal tract ....and many times causes flu like symptoms
a SMALL percentage of people are affected to the point of actual Sickness...........the number is minute if the program
is designed to save the worlds millions by blocking and affecting Global warming and saving the earth.....or compared to the thousands of lives that may be saved by the new 3 d technologies ............or even by counter acting current em weather mods by china and russia
anyways the sickness i believe is a by product and I think its widely used as a DIS-Information vehicle it is used out of context
and to further convalute the issues
these are some of me views extremly brief in nature
and really just MY opinion of what i believe
and my answer to your question......I belive they are needed to be visible that is why i also on the majority face value do not believe it is a weapon or a deliberate means of introducing sickness they would not need to use contrails to spread the spanish flu.........so thats my opinions
thanks for posting
QUOTE(TheHerb420 @ Mar 14 2007, 02:03 AM) [snapback]1581586[/snapback]
Well, if these chemtrails are part of some kind of conspiracy, they would have to make the chemicals somewhere. Maybe this chem plant was produced these chemicals and because it was unstable it ignited, and to keep the chemtrails secret, didn't release any information about the chemicals?
Actually what I have been addressing throughout the thread is that there arent Chemicals ...it is Barium and aluminum Oxide
and they are Introduced VIA CONTRAILS..i persoanally do not believe they are spraying any chemicals or chemical weaponry
we are seeing Barium and aluminum oxide being used for several technologies
there are several Military and private experimnts and programs being conducted using aeresols ...they are introducing these Via contrails to easily
divert attention by claiming they are simply contrailsi dont believe in my opinion this chemical plant has ANYTHING to do with what i and others have been discussing here
thanks for posting
Barium And Chemtrails - Facts On Toxicity
September 10, 2001 - source: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services /Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts24.html 1-11-01
Material Safety Data Sheet (University of Utah) - Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry
This fact sheet answers the most frequently asked health questions about barium. For more information, you may call the ATSDR Information Center at 1-800-447-1544. This fact sheet is one in a series of summaries about hazardous substances and their health effects. This information is important because this substance may harm you. The effects of exposure to any hazardous substance depend on the dose, the duration, how you are exposed, personal traits and habits, and whether other chemicals are present. - SUMMARY: Exposure to barium occurs mostly in the workplace or from drinking contaminated water. Ingesting high levels of barium can cause problems with the heart, stomach, liver, kidneys, and other organs. This chemical has been found in at least 649 of 1,416 National Priorities List sites identified by the Environmental Protection Agency.
What is barium? (Pronounced bar'e-um)
Barium is a silvery-white metal found in nature. It occurs combined with other chemicals such as sulfur or carbon and oxygen. These combinations are called compounds. Barium compounds can also be produced by industry.
Barium compounds are used by the oil and gas industries to make drilling muds. Drilling muds make it easier to drill through rock by keeping the drill bit lubricated. They are also used to make paint, bricks, tiles, glass, and rubber.
A barium compound (barium sulfate) is sometimes used by doctors to perform medical tests and to take x-rays of the stomach.
What happens to barium when it enters the environment?
* Barium gets into the air during the mining, refining, and production * of barium compounds, and from the burning of coal and oil. * Some barium compounds dissolve easily in water and are found in lakes, rivers, and streams. * Barium is found in most soils and foods at low levels. * Fish and aquatic organisms accumulate barium.
How might I be exposed to barium?
* Breathing very low levels in air, drinking water, and eating food * Breathing higher levels in air while working in industries that make or use barium compounds * Drinking water containing high levels of barium from natural sources * Breathing air near barium mining or processing plants.
How can barium affect my health?
The health effects of the different barium compounds depend on how well the compound dissolves in water. Barium compounds that do not dissolve well in water are not generally harmful and are often used by doctors for medical purposes.
Those barium compounds that dissolve well in water may cause harmful health effects in people. Ingesting high levels of barium compounds that dissolve well in water over the short term has resulted in
* Difficulties in breathing * Increased blood pressure * Changes in heart rhythm * Stomach irritation * Brain swelling * Muscle weakness * Damage to the liver, kidney, heart, and spleen.
We don't know the effects in people of ingesting low levels of barium over the long term. Animal studies have found increased blood pressure and changes in the heart from ingesting barium over a long time. We don't know the effects of barium from breathing it or from touching it.
How likely is barium to cause cancer?
The Department of Health and Human Services, the International Agency for Research on Cancer, and the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) have not classified barium as to its human carcinogenicity.
Barium has not been classified because there are no studies in people and the two available animal studies were inadequate to determine whether or not barium causes cancer.
Is there a medical test to show whether I've been exposed to barium?
There is no routine medical test to show whether you have been exposed to barium. However, doctors can measure barium in the blood, bones, urine, and feces, using very complex instruments. Due to the complexity of the tests, these tests are usually done only for cases of severe barium poisoning and for medical research.
Has the federal government made recommendations to protect human health?
EPA allows 2 parts of barium per million parts of drinking water (2 ppm). EPA requires that discharges or spills into the environment of 10 pounds or more of barium cyanide be reported.
The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA), the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH), and the American Conference of Governmental Industrial Hygienists (ACGIH) have set an occupational exposure limit of 0.5 milligrams of soluble barium compounds per cubic meter of air (0.5 mg/m3) for an 8-hour workday, 40-hour workweek.
The OSHA exposure limit for barium sulfate dust in air is 5 to 15 milligrams of barium per cubic meter of air (5-15 mg/m3).
NIOSH currently recommends that a level of 50 mg/m3 be considered immediately dangerous to life and health. This is the exposure level of barium that is likely to cause permanent health problems or death.
Glossary
Carcinogenicity: Ability to cause cancer. Ingesting: Taking food or drink into your body. Long-term: Lasting one year or longer. Milligram (mg): One thousandth of a gram. PPM: Parts per million. Short-term: Lasting 14 days or less. Soluble: Dissolves well in liquid.
References Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR). 1992. Toxicological profile for barium. Atlanta, GA: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service.
Where can I get more information?
ATSDR can tell you where to find occupational and environmental health clinics. Their specialists can recognize, evaluate, and treat illnesses resulting from exposure to hazardous substances. You can also contact your community or state health or environmental quality department if you have any more questions or concerns.
For more information, contact:
Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry Division of Toxicology 1600 Clifton Road NE, Mailstop E-29 Atlanta, GA 30333 Phone: 1-800-447-1544 FAX: 404-639-6315
U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Public Health Service Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry ATSDR Information Center / ATSDRIC@cdc.gov / 1-800-447-1544
September 10, 2001 - source: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services /Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/tfacts24.html 1-11-01
Material Safety Data Sheet (University of Utah) - Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry
This fact sheet answers the most frequently asked health questions about barium. For more information, you may call the ATSDR Information Center at 1-800-447-1544. This fact sheet is one in a series of summaries about hazardous substances and their health effects. This information is important because this substance may harm you. The effects of exposure to any hazardous substance depend on the dose, the duration, how you are exposed, personal traits and habits, and whether other chemicals are present. - SUMMARY: Exposure to barium occurs mostly in the workplace or from drinking contaminated water. Ingesting high levels of barium can cause problems with the heart, stomach, liver, kidneys, and other organs. This chemical has been found in at least 649 of 1,416 National Priorities List sites identified by the Environmental Protection Agency.
What is barium? (Pronounced bar'e-um)
Barium is a silvery-white metal found in nature. It occurs combined with other chemicals such as sulfur or carbon and oxygen. These combinations are called compounds. Barium compounds can also be produced by industry.
Barium compounds are used by the oil and gas industries to make drilling muds. Drilling muds make it easier to drill through rock by keeping the drill bit lubricated. They are also used to make paint, bricks, tiles, glass, and rubber.
A barium compound (barium sulfate) is sometimes used by doctors to perform medical tests and to take x-rays of the stomach.
What happens to barium when it enters the environment?
* Barium gets into the air during the mining, refining, and production * of barium compounds, and from the burning of coal and oil. * Some barium compounds dissolve easily in water and are found in lakes, rivers, and streams. * Barium is found in most soils and foods at low levels. * Fish and aquatic organisms accumulate barium.
How might I be exposed to barium?
* Breathing very low levels in air, drinking water, and eating food * Breathing higher levels in air while working in industries that make or use barium compounds * Drinking water containing high levels of barium from natural sources * Breathing air near barium mining or processing plants.
How can barium affect my health?
The health effects of the different barium compounds depend on how well the compound dissolves in water. Barium compounds that do not dissolve well in water are not generally harmful and are often used by doctors for medical purposes.
Those barium compounds that dissolve well in water may cause harmful health effects in people. Ingesting high levels of barium compounds that dissolve well in water over the short term has resulted in
* Difficulties in breathing * Increased blood pressure * Changes in heart rhythm * Stomach irritation * Brain swelling * Muscle weakness * Damage to the liver, kidney, heart, and spleen.
We don't know the effects in people of ingesting low levels of barium over the long term. Animal studies have found increased blood pressure and changes in the heart from ingesting barium over a long time. We don't know the effects of barium from breathing it or from touching it.
How likely is barium to cause cancer?
The Department of Health and Human Services, the International Agency for Research on Cancer, and the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) have not classified barium as to its human carcinogenicity.
Barium has not been classified because there are no studies in people and the two available animal studies were inadequate to determine whether or not barium causes cancer.
Is there a medical test to show whether I've been exposed to barium?
There is no routine medical test to show whether you have been exposed to barium. However, doctors can measure barium in the blood, bones, urine, and feces, using very complex instruments. Due to the complexity of the tests, these tests are usually done only for cases of severe barium poisoning and for medical research.
Has the federal government made recommendations to protect human health?
EPA allows 2 parts of barium per million parts of drinking water (2 ppm). EPA requires that discharges or spills into the environment of 10 pounds or more of barium cyanide be reported.
The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA), the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH), and the American Conference of Governmental Industrial Hygienists (ACGIH) have set an occupational exposure limit of 0.5 milligrams of soluble barium compounds per cubic meter of air (0.5 mg/m3) for an 8-hour workday, 40-hour workweek.
The OSHA exposure limit for barium sulfate dust in air is 5 to 15 milligrams of barium per cubic meter of air (5-15 mg/m3).
NIOSH currently recommends that a level of 50 mg/m3 be considered immediately dangerous to life and health. This is the exposure level of barium that is likely to cause permanent health problems or death.
Glossary
Carcinogenicity: Ability to cause cancer. Ingesting: Taking food or drink into your body. Long-term: Lasting one year or longer. Milligram (mg): One thousandth of a gram. PPM: Parts per million. Short-term: Lasting 14 days or less. Soluble: Dissolves well in liquid.
References Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR). 1992. Toxicological profile for barium. Atlanta, GA: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, Public Health Service.
Where can I get more information?
ATSDR can tell you where to find occupational and environmental health clinics. Their specialists can recognize, evaluate, and treat illnesses resulting from exposure to hazardous substances. You can also contact your community or state health or environmental quality department if you have any more questions or concerns.
For more information, contact:
Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry Division of Toxicology 1600 Clifton Road NE, Mailstop E-29 Atlanta, GA 30333 Phone: 1-800-447-1544 FAX: 404-639-6315
U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Public Health Service Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry ATSDR Information Center / ATSDRIC@cdc.gov / 1-800-447-1544
sb517 a bill concerning weather modification by both private and Govt entities here is some infor on this bill
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?con...;articleId=2423
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This experimental weather modification bill will impact residents across the United States not just in California. Many current and ongoing weather modification programs (80 listed by NOAA in 2005), including the one in Wyoming that is designed to increase the snowpack, may be diverting rainwater away from Oklahoma and Texas, two states that are currently fighting fires caused by a lack of rainfall. We have no idea what the unintended consequences of the Wyoming action or other experimental weather modification programs might be now or in the future.
In addition to the experimental weather modification programs listed by NOAA, there are both private and ongoing government sponsored atmospheric testing and heating programs underway in Alaska and across the United States. Alaska Senator Stevens recently received $50 million in funding for Alaska’s atmospheric heating program.
In addition to the experimental weather modification programs listed by NOAA, there are both private and ongoing government sponsored atmospheric testing and heating programs underway in Alaska and across the United States. Alaska Senator Stevens recently received $50 million in funding for Alaska’s atmospheric heating program.
you will notice the admittance to the existence of both weather modification and ionspheric heating/boiling both things mentioned by previous posters in this thread
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Trimethyl Aluminum (TMA) and barium are just two of the toxic chemicals used in recent atmospheric heating and testing programs according to NASA. The Alaska H.A.A.R.P. atmospheric heating program may have the capability of changing the Jet Stream which could also change our weather.
Many private weather modification companies admit that precipitation effects may be positive or negative. Fog dispersal programs, using dry ice, liquid nitrogen, liquid propane or silver iodide may improve visibility while adversely impacting Redwood Trees along the California coast by depriving them of needed water they derive from the fog. The increasing use of varied chemicals like aluminum (coupled with increasing air pollution), can severely impact tree health by depriving trees of water and nutrients normally absorbed through their root systems.
The December 2005 Popular Science Magazine discussed a plan to use an oil slick to stop hurricanes without noting the adverse environmental impacts of the oil used to cover the ocean.
Many private weather modification companies admit that precipitation effects may be positive or negative. Fog dispersal programs, using dry ice, liquid nitrogen, liquid propane or silver iodide may improve visibility while adversely impacting Redwood Trees along the California coast by depriving them of needed water they derive from the fog. The increasing use of varied chemicals like aluminum (coupled with increasing air pollution), can severely impact tree health by depriving trees of water and nutrients normally absorbed through their root systems.
The December 2005 Popular Science Magazine discussed a plan to use an oil slick to stop hurricanes without noting the adverse environmental impacts of the oil used to cover the ocean.
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NASA noted in an October 2005 newsletter that increasingly persistent contrails are “…trapping warmth in the atmosphere and exacerbating global warming…” NASA goes on to note that: “…Any increase in global cloud cover will contribute to long-term changes in Earth’s climate. Likewise, any change in Earth’s climate may have effects on natural resources…” Global dimming and the persistent contrails, that produce man-made clouds, may have serious impacts on crop production. A recent corn crop study in Illinois shows that cloud cover reduces corn crop production while direct sunlight increases production. In addition, increasing man-made clouds may reduce the effectiveness of solar panels.
as you can clearly see there is indeed a national weather modification program currently in use 2 of the main ingredients appear to be aluminum and barium
if you go on to read the entire article it will shed some more light on current operataions being conducted as well the mention Alaska as that is where the United states has its Ionspheric boiler/heater located at Gakona
I don't believe in chemtrails at all, they are just airplane vapors.
Ok then thanks for you views
wow Jimmy did you catch this one not only did they remove your Bump
they also DELETED several of the post that were here in the thread
I saw you Bump this to the top this afternoon then it vanished i found it
all the way on page 3 is this how members are treated here?
I find this to be completly un called for who is responsible for deletion
of posts and relinquishing threads to the third page..I certainly now do in
fact wonder how close you may actually be to the truth they sure do work hard
to discredit your position and this RECENT ploy of simply DELETING messages
truly speaks Volumes
this is simply un believable
they also DELETED several of the post that were here in the thread
I saw you Bump this to the top this afternoon then it vanished i found it
all the way on page 3 is this how members are treated here?
I find this to be completly un called for who is responsible for deletion
of posts and relinquishing threads to the third page..I certainly now do in
fact wonder how close you may actually be to the truth they sure do work hard
to discredit your position and this RECENT ploy of simply DELETING messages
truly speaks Volumes
this is simply un believable
And so i in fact see what you have pointed out??
i have written a pm to the boards owner asking why this has occurred as far as i can tell i had not broken any rules
and yet it is clear that some of the posts were deleted and you say you found this on page 3? it was the second post
on page two when i bumped it? i have seen others "Bump" posts so i am unsure as to why this would be done
unlss they simply want to hold me back from my views ill let you know what the owner says about it thanks for pointing this out
i was looking for it too!! as i noticed it vanished i didnt think to go as far back as page 3 though
thanks for posting
i have written a pm to the boards owner asking why this has occurred as far as i can tell i had not broken any rules
and yet it is clear that some of the posts were deleted and you say you found this on page 3? it was the second post
on page two when i bumped it? i have seen others "Bump" posts so i am unsure as to why this would be done
unlss they simply want to hold me back from my views ill let you know what the owner says about it thanks for pointing this out
i was looking for it too!! as i noticed it vanished i didnt think to go as far back as page 3 though
thanks for posting
Recently i came across a letter written to clifford carnicom back in 2005
this letter was written presumably by someone in the Air Force or in the Know so to speek
i havent checked out the base mentioned yet but ill relay the general story and a link as i find it also
to coincide with some of my theories concerning the Air force and spraying BTW i find the Air Force
guys to be the most dilligent when rushing in to de-bunk chemtrails......any ways this letter talks about
a base in oklahoma called......Tinker....it concerns planes outfitted for 2 extra engines plane types similar
to a 2 engine boeing 737 but containing two additional engines according to the source these engines
are used for producing ELECTRICAL fields and distributing them via a 5 mile tail that is pulled behind the plane
here is an excerpt
this information comes from this link :
http://carnicom.com/airops1.htm
and i think it is also a possibility of realm when it comes to govt ops and spraying take a look for yourselves
thanks for posting
this letter was written presumably by someone in the Air Force or in the Know so to speek
i havent checked out the base mentioned yet but ill relay the general story and a link as i find it also
to coincide with some of my theories concerning the Air force and spraying BTW i find the Air Force
guys to be the most dilligent when rushing in to de-bunk chemtrails......any ways this letter talks about
a base in oklahoma called......Tinker....it concerns planes outfitted for 2 extra engines plane types similar
to a 2 engine boeing 737 but containing two additional engines according to the source these engines
are used for producing ELECTRICAL fields and distributing them via a 5 mile tail that is pulled behind the plane
here is an excerpt
QUOTE
possibly a fleet, of four engine jets. Originally they are two engine, but have been modified for this specific mission with two additional engines. It is an E- 4(??) aka a modified Boeing 737, this type of jet is more commonly used as a presidential air force one, as an air to air refueler, as an AWACS plane. For this ongoing mission, the jet is airborne nearly continuously 24 hrs with replacement aircraft and crew shuffled in. The two additional engines sole purpose/function is to generate electrical energy / power, not for aerodynamic thrust. The amount of power generated by the two additional jet engines is enough to power a large city of one million residents - the size of Oklahoma City lots and lots of mega watts apparently. Attached to the plane is a very long wire, five (5) miles long! The electrical energy generated by the engines is somehow transferred directly into the long wire and dissipated into the atmosphere behind the jet. The pilots must fly the plane at a continuous 45 degree banking turn, well that is nearly a one minute long 360 degree turn at that steep of a bank! Must be high high g-forces. Also, the plane would be smashing into its own wake turbulence all the time, like a boat in a long 360 degree turn. It is not flown remotely, although I would not rule this out I am aware that at least through the late 1980s that B-52s were flown remote from Tinker to New Mexico daily, allowed to take off and land by remote control, no occupants and I saw this plane on numerous occasions and my former air force sources, then involved in building drone technology, confirmed this Global Hawk type remote mission. Back to the main story:
The ostensible reason for this bizarre mission, given to the pilots, is that the energy generates ultra low frequency waves which are then used by Navy HQ to communicate continuously with the Navy submarines across the planet ( the navy being our primary nuclear line of defense out there now, rather than B-52s) , directly through the earth and the oceans. (See your own website, see H.A.A.R.P., G.W.E.N., Tom Beardon scalar, N. Tesla, etc. re: this frequency used for weather warfare and scalar warfare). There are plans to rotate in newer fleet of aircraft into service for this mission.
The ostensible reason for this bizarre mission, given to the pilots, is that the energy generates ultra low frequency waves which are then used by Navy HQ to communicate continuously with the Navy submarines across the planet ( the navy being our primary nuclear line of defense out there now, rather than B-52s) , directly through the earth and the oceans. (See your own website, see H.A.A.R.P., G.W.E.N., Tom Beardon scalar, N. Tesla, etc. re: this frequency used for weather warfare and scalar warfare). There are plans to rotate in newer fleet of aircraft into service for this mission.
this information comes from this link :
http://carnicom.com/airops1.htm
and i think it is also a possibility of realm when it comes to govt ops and spraying take a look for yourselves
thanks for posting
Well it wouldn't be an E-4. That would be this, based on a 747 and flies out of Offutt
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/c3i/e-4b.htm
And the comments about it being a 737 that is more commonly used as Air Force one (a 747 or before 1990 a 707), air-to-air refueler (707 or DC-10 airframes), and AWACS (707 airframe) are also wrong. I also doubt it would be based at Tinker as the only large planes there are AWACS which are definitely on the 707 airframe. And a power generator the size of a jet engine able to power a city of one million? That's laughable.
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/c3i/e-4b.htm
And the comments about it being a 737 that is more commonly used as Air Force one (a 747 or before 1990 a 707), air-to-air refueler (707 or DC-10 airframes), and AWACS (707 airframe) are also wrong. I also doubt it would be based at Tinker as the only large planes there are AWACS which are definitely on the 707 airframe. And a power generator the size of a jet engine able to power a city of one million? That's laughable.
By the way, my affiliation with the Air Force has nothing to do with my interesting in debunking chemtrails. I have had an interest in aviation for as long as I can remember and was debunking chemtrails long before I even thought of joining the Air Force. But you go right on believing your little fantasy because I doubt you'll accept anything I say to you anyway.
I find it a little unbelievable too. Additional power requirements would best be served by some APUs in the fuselage, not additional non-thrust producing, drag-creating engines on the wings.
The trailing wire sounds awfully like the VLF antenna on an E-6; that's on a spool of about 28000 feet, so could trail back about 5 miles.
The trailing wire sounds awfully like the VLF antenna on an E-6; that's on a spool of about 28000 feet, so could trail back about 5 miles.
And if it is the E-6 then it would be a Navy plane and again based on the 707 frame.
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/c3i/e-6.htm
Now I did misspeak a little earlier. The E-6 is stationed at Tinker as well as other places but my basic premise is still correct that the only large planes stationed at Tinker are based on the 707 frame. A frame which definitely needs and uses all 4 engines.
http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/c3i/e-6.htm
Now I did misspeak a little earlier. The E-6 is stationed at Tinker as well as other places but my basic premise is still correct that the only large planes stationed at Tinker are based on the 707 frame. A frame which definitely needs and uses all 4 engines.
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