wow Jimmy did you catch this one not only did they remove your Bump
they also DELETED several of the post that were here in the thread
I saw you Bump this to the top this afternoon then it vanished i found it
all the way on page 3 is this how members are treated here?
I find this to be completly un called for who is responsible for deletion
of posts and relinquishing threads to the third page..I certainly now do in
fact wonder how close you may actually be to the truth they sure do work hard
to discredit your position and this RECENT ploy of simply DELETING messages
truly speaks Volumes

this is simply un believable

And so i in fact see what you have pointed out??

i have written a pm to the boards owner asking why this has occurred as far as i can tell i had not broken any rules

and yet it is clear that some of the posts were deleted and you say you found this on page 3? it was the second post

on page two when i bumped it? i have seen others "Bump" posts so i am unsure as to why this would be done

unlss they simply want to hold me back from my views ill let you know what the owner says about it thanks for pointing this out

i was looking for it too!! as i noticed it vanished i didnt think to go as far back as page 3 though

thanks for posting

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I find it a little unbelievable too. Additional power requirements would best be served by some APUs in the fuselage, not additional non-thrust producing, drag-creating engines on the wings.

The trailing wire sounds awfully like the VLF antenna on an E-6; that's on a spool of about 28000 feet, so could trail back about 5 miles.

Gentlemen may I suggest that the two of you actually try reading the rules of this forum. If you had bothered to read this one:
You would not now be breaking this one:
As it was clear that jimmyphelps' posts added nothing to the discussion and had the sole purpose of bumping a thread they were deleted.

By the way, my affiliation with the Air Force has nothing to do with my interesting in debunking chemtrails. I have had an interest in aviation for as long as I can remember and was debunking chemtrails long before I even thought of joining the Air Force. But you go right on believing your little fantasy because I doubt you'll accept anything I say to you anyway.

so just when is it that you joined the Air Force curious?

The "Space Preservation Act of 2001" originally introduced in the House by Rep. Dennis Kucinich as HR 2977 has been re-written.

The new, revised bill, HR 3616, "Space Preservation Act of 2002" was introduced January 23, 2002.

Re-writing bills is a common enough practice as a bill goes through the legislative process. However, the differences between HR 2977 and HR 3616 are more than just a few tweaks here or there.

By its conspicuous appearance in 2977, the term 'chemtrails' received a form of credibiity within the official government process never seen before...producing the hope that one courageous Representative had finally had the fortitude to take the issue of chemtrails to a level of Congressional scrutiny long overdue.

Even though chemtrails are sprayed/deployed in the 2-6 mile high range, and not the 60 mile altitude stated in 2977, the simple fact of their inclusion in Kucinich's 2977 list of weapons systems was deemed a major breakthrough by tens of thousands of citizens and researchers across the country who have been monitoring and investigating the spraying going on in the skies of America for the past three years.

In Rep. Kucinich's revised new (some woud say 'emasculated') Bill, HR 3616, there is no longer any mentio whatever of:

* chemtrails,
* particle beams
* electromagnetic radiation
* plasmas
* extremely low frequency (ELF) or ultra low frequency (ULF) energy radiation
* or mind-control technologies

as weapons systems covered in the measure.

In fact, 'Exotic Weapons' - as boldly-stated in HR 2977 - are not even mentioned in HR 3616. So, what happened here? Did someone have a 'friendly chat' with Rep. Kucinich? Did the Congressman inhale a bit too much aluminum during his morning job? Did he look up one day and find himself standing under a big 'X' and feel his knees get a little wobbly?

As stated in Kucinich's first version of his "Space Preservation Act of 2001" -

"The term 'exotic weapons systems' includes weapons designed to damage space or natural ecosystems (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or climate, weather, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space."

Apparently Rep. Kucinich is no longer concerned about the effects of the testing and use of exotic weapons systems on natural ecosystems and living organisms on the planet.

Although chemtrails are no longer stated as a weapons system, or even mentioned in HR3616, the question of the components of the RFMP / VTRPE warfare system is raised.

HR 3616 states -

"To preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by prohibiting the basing of weapons in space and the use of weapons to destroy or damage objects in space that are in orbit, and for other purposes."

The intent of this passage remains fuzzy. Example: Are Imaging satellites used with the RFMP / VTRPE system broadly defined as part of a weapons system ?

I never purported it to be Proof or evidence i suggested that I had come across an intersting letter i dont neccessarily believe the power generation aspects either just found it as a possible correlation to chemtrails no more no less yes it does sound like a VLF antennae as a matter of fact and also the article points that out as well stating they are using this technology to communicate with navy subs so anyways i just found it interesting and found it pertinent to our discussions

thanks for posting

so how long you been interested in chemtrails?
again just curious here too

what then do you say to this occurance?

it comes from here:http://www.rense.com/general19/kucinich.htm

Im curious as its been almost 10 years for me i been looking into them since 1999................i cant say any earlier than
that beause Prior to 1999 they werent up there..they have become so common to everyday life that they actually paint
them into cartoon movies!!! as i say i have been interested in them since i first began noticing them in Europe in 1999

i defenitly notice a pattern of flying 1-2 days ahead of expected storm fronts

I dont think who wrote the bill is of all that importance myself whether he wrote it his aide wrote it or his ninth grade son wrote it
the important thing is that is was written,,and it clearly referred to Chemtrail weapons and banning theyre use. what an interesting
choice of desriptive woring eh? Chemtrail weapons..that document surfaced and made its rounds of the web and then..............
as if on Cue the bill is re-written and completly leaves out many of its key points? I find the fact that the term used was used at all
quite some coincidence if you ask me

SEC. 7. DEFINITIONS.
In this Act:
(1) The term `space' means all space extending upward from an altitude greater than 60 kilometers above the surface of the earth and any celestial body in such space.

SEC. 6. NON SPACE-BASED WEAPONS ACTIVITIES.
Nothing in this Act may be construed as prohibiting the use of funds for--
(1) space exploration;
(2) space research and development;
(3) testing, manufacturing, or production that is not related to space-based weapons or systems; or
(4) civil, commercial, or defense activities (including communications, navigation, surveillance, reconnaissance, early warning, or remote sensing) that are not related to space-based weapons or systems.

If you didn't see persistant contrails prior to 1999, it must be because you weren't looking at the sky. I can assure you that the contrails you see today look just the same as the ones I watched with fascination almost 40 years ago. I've always loved airplanes and had a small hand-held telescope as a child which I often used to try to identify the planes leaving the contrails. There are certainly more contrails now than there used to be, but that's just because there are a lot more airliners in the air, and more of them are flying at high altitude.

As for contrails showing up in cartoons, what's the big deal? As you say, they are common things, so why is it surprising that they're being shown? To reference your namesake, telephone poles occasionally showed up in the background of Road Runner cartoons. Was that supposed to mean something?
Well, since contrail formation and persistence is strongly dependent on weather conditions (temperature, humidity, etc.), is it really surprising that you might notice a pattern with respect to the weather?
Actually, the bill as originally written would not in any way ban the use of aircraft-based “chemtrails.” It specifically bans the use of space-based weapon systems using the following definition of “space.”
No aircraft fly at 60 kilometers altitude because there's no air there. In fact, very few transport-sized aircraft fly much higher than 12 kilometers (40,000 feet). The bill also specifically states that the ban does NOT cover non-space-based defense work:
(red highlighting added by me)
So, it seems we have two possibilities. Either:

1) Whoever wrote the bill had no idea what they were talking about and just threw into the bill every potential bizarre and exotic weapon they could think of in order to try to ban everything that might someday be used in space. (This happens to be the theory I favor).

or

2) Whoever wrote the bill DID have information on something called “chemtrails,” but it is completely unrelated to aircraft activity since the bill specifically only discusses space-based weapons.

Either way, this original form of the bill doesn’t in any way offer proof or government admission that aircraft are spraying “chemtrails” into the skies overhead.

I didnt BUY my orgone generator it cost me 25 bucks to make cuz i had most of the stuff i needed as
I already stated above your right we wont agree as you have never seen an orgone generator work
thats apparent by your response anybody thats mildly mechanical can build an orgone generator
themselves and do theyre own experiments dont knock something if you havent tried it they all
laughed at Nikola Tesla too now we are reliant on his technology thats how life is thanks again for the
talk time cya around i guess

I’m beginning this FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS essay because it tears my heart out to consider the pain that newcomers to the Chembuster forum are experiencing as they wade through the volume of posts to glean a basic understanding of the process we Chembuster aficionados are involved in ( http://forums.cloud-busters.com ). I’ll keep adding to it as new questions arise. Our original cloudbuster chat forum at yahoo was sabotaged by covert agents who prevented me from posting and moderating the site. They also deleted importantt messages and cut people off from posting on a regular basis. So we mostly post our current messages at the new site above, since we have a secure server there. It's still worth going to the old site, however, to look at the early messages and search the archive for many good articles and photos. The old cloudbuster forum is located at: http://groups/yahoo.com/group/cloudbusters .

This is NOT, NOT, NOT a scientific essay or to be used to formally promote our ideas and I’m the first to admit that I don’t fully understand what I’m doing, but I have gathered some observations over the past year of my Chembuster career that I’d like to share in this format. You must use your discretion and not blindly accept any of these ideas or conclusions.

‘Orgone Generator’ is a term I’m using advisedly, of course, since all things are generated from orgone. In fact, these devices primarily draw in unbalanced orgone, revitalize it, and send it back out again. There are other things happening, but I’m going to concern myself mainly with that process in this essay.

‘Orgone Accumulators’ draw in and concentrate orgone and send it back out again. When they draw in unbalanced orgone, they send it back out as unbalanced orgone, so one needs to use them in a place where there is more good orgone than the bad stuff.

I made orgone accumulators for a time before I investigated more information about orgone generators which I learned aobut from a customer of mine who had obtained a small device from the internet and had paid quite a bit of money for it. ‘Hey—it's nothing but metal particles embedded in epoxy!’ My customer was a little irate, since he paid a lot of money for that, but I was elated by the possibilities, since this device was obviously putting out a lot more orgone than the accumulators I was making and using.

In fact, orgone generators are made by mixing equal parts, by volume, of metal particles and organic matrix material, such as epoxy resin and polyester resin. ‘Organic’ means ‘hydrocarbon,’ not necessarily something from a garden that you eat.

The metal in the mix can be ANY metal, but very fine particles, like the brass grindings from a key-making machine, and very large pieces, are less effective than BBs and spiral shavings and particles from a machine shop.

Contrary to the vehement objections of some researchers, aluminium is perfectly alright to use for orgone accumulators and orgone generators. I used nothing but aluminum foil and saran wrap for my numerous accumulators and the effects actually exceeded (in my opinion) the effects of the very bulky accumulators conventionally used by Reich devotees, probably because they were more adaptable, compact, even portable. This is just one instance of my karma running over someone else’s dogma. I wasn’t the only person making effective orgone accumulators with aluminum, of course.

I’ve requested a rational explanation from the Reich experts who told me that aluminum is forbidden as a component in orgone devices, but have been met with stoic silence from them on that subject. I refrain from mentioning their names out of respect and I don’t want to embarrass them. These experts have had plenty to say to me otherwise, so maybe someday they’ll produce a rational argument—possibly after at least one of them has tried our newer methods.

My daughter, Nora, was living with me when I started experimenting with orgone generators three years ago. She went through death at age five and was able to see subtle energies after that, so I put her to work when she was eleven, evaluating the energy patterns and strength of the various orgone generator configurations I was making. Nora’s living with her mom now, but my new wife, Carol, also has the gift of seeing subtle energies and she and I came up with the configurations we’re using for the Chembuster, Holy Handgrenade, St. Buster’s Button, and Harmonic Protector (thereapeutic orgone generator, used on the body).

SO—here are the basic components of an orgone generator: equal parts resin and metal particles, quartz crystal/s aligned in the direction you wish the orgone to travel (crystals also inherently organize chaotic energy and act as extensions of a person’s will). Pipes open on one end, the other embedded in the generator, are added to enhance the orgone flow and/or the draw of unbalanced orgone, and the lengths, diameter and number of pipes are a factor.

We are pioneers with this technology, but are by no means experts, nor do we fully understand the process. We’re happy to leave that to others who are more intelligent and have the inclination to analyze it correctly.
As pioneers, though, we’re apparently way ahead of anyone coming to this from even the most august and reputable of scientific, even metaphysical backgrounds. The long trail of letters behind one’s name won’t open the door to understanding this essentially simple process, I’m sorry to say, and only one’s own experiential observation and instincts will bring understanding.

Among the current Chembuster veterans, there are the unemployed and unskilled, as well as doctors, engineers and scientists, and the former are certainly no less successful in their efforts than the latter. In fact, the latter actually are struggling with a handicap, since a lot of what is happening in front of them contradicts their science paradigm, and that tends to hamper their integration process a bit. There’s a lot to be said for formal education, but one who has earned letters does need to contend with ‘the dust of acquired knowledge’ that tends to obscure the human heart and instincts.

Assuming that you’ve read the instructions for the orgone generating devices, I’ll just start listing the Qs and As. Please excuse the apparent disorder. Maybe some inspired soul with a better sense of order will organize and edit this someday.

1. Enough said about the type of metal yet? Copper works a little better than alminum, gold works a little better than copper, but availability of materials and costs are a more important consideration, in my opinion.

i have written a pm to the boards owner asking why this has occurred as far as i can tell i had not broken any rules

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