Last Saturday I witnessed Chemtrails over my city....McKinney, Texas. We are 25 miles north of Dallas. I never thought much about stuff like that until a friend in Dallas mentioned it...I thought she was a bit looney at first and told her it was just jets....

....it isn't...I have begun research on ChemTrails and have discovered many believe that the military is spraying 'stuff' over our cities to make us weak or sickly because the NWO will more easily take over a sickly class of people.

I don't buy all that...yet...but I definately saw ChemTrails and they were most definitely NOT jet airplane vapor.

Have you seen them? Any insight or personal stories?

...btw, Saturday night...both my wife and I had headaches...I rarely get headaches...coincidence? I don't think so....

Dang it. Leave Mckinney out of this.

Did you see them? Have you ever seen them?

It is a bit un-nerving. Most people don't pay that much attention to the sky...I guarantee you I will be from now on...


....I would appreciate reports of ChemTrails from other geographical locations...if you've seen them...report it here please!

Oh yeah. I see them. Right over my house.Sometimes I think they are spraying my kids. Becuase they are getting crazier every day.

i've read all about them and i've defiantly seen quite a few weird chemtrails/contrails in skys over the northeast. i haven't noticed getting sick or a headache around the days of seeing them though. i don't have the links saved but i have seen pics of devices attached to airplanes that supposivly disperse the chemicals in the sky. who knows now-a-days...

Well, someone is spraying something...that much is certain.

My question is really about who, what and why. Who is spraying what and for what purposes?

Joc i might be able to help on this one...due to the changing weather patterns from the global warming that many don't think existis or is serious....alot of malaria carrying mosquitos have migrated, some are carrying Dengue fever (you might want to goggle that)
so Texas is spraying in hopes to take care of the problem...(goggle mosquitos and texas) I don't know if you are aware of this but there is no vaccine for malaria there are pills which aren't coverd by insurance... and beliveme you can imagine the expense..but who knows on the effectiveness and the US has no immunity to malaria( for decades)......I have read many will perish..sure hope the pesticides work...and I wonder about the side effects from these pesticdes head aches huh???hmmm.....

Nice try Sherri....not buying it though. If that were the case there would be a significant decrease in the mosquito population...there isn't. Also, chemtrails have been a part of our lives now for an entire decade....and have appeared all over...


This is an interesting website about them:

ChemTrails

an odd thing happened in my town in scotland regarding this, one day i was down the street buyin ciggys and those mad people with clip boards were goin about, the bird was quite hot so i thought ya why no eh. So she started asking me a question about cold and flu remedies, which ones i buy, how often i get a flu or cold, what adverts do i see for the various products and eatin habbits, health sh** like that. Markey research i think, ok then fair enough. A day later most people i know including my dad has a cold. WTF. Their basicaly experimenting on us to see how we react to certain chemcicals, its sick were just like guinea pigs.

Good questions. Heres another.

How are "they" protecting themselves and families? What keeps "them" from being effected? Air dispersal is indiscriminate.

I'm with you joc. West Texas here. Something's been in the air.

I can't find a good consolidated report of clinic admissions. (The one I found didn't have the data I was looking for. Mostly hospital admissions.)

IF this is going on, the Doctors cannot be knowingly complicit or something would have leaked by now. So, any "epidemic" type things related to this shouldn't show up in a database like the ones I've been looking at.

Haven't changed a thing about my lifestyle because I think this though.

And I'm not sure its the intent or a side effect. Could be attempts at wether modification. Could be for reflection for various purposes.

I just don't know, all I can agree is I think it's an odd thing too and for no demonstrable reason feel an "uncaring" intent.

well the doctors dont really concern themselves as they get huge cash incentives from pharmacuetical companies to use the newest and latest drugs. Doctors and GP's are just legal pill pushers.

Are you happy about anything in this world?? Life must be depressing for you.

Not really, my doctor gives me all the valium i need.

Thats good stuff.

Persistent contrails have existed and been known about since aircraft could fly high enough.
http://naca.larc.nasa.gov/reports/1942/naca-wr-l-474/

Consider this. If you wanted to spray a population what altitude would you do it at? 30,000 feet? 40,000 feet? No, to get any noticeable effect you would need to be below 5,000 feet. Anything sprayed at high altitudes would be impossible to aim as it might take days for any particulates to settle and would dissipate to such a low concentration by the time it does reach the ground that it would be useless.


Many pics and stories of persistent contrails from well before these "chemtrails" were supposed to have started.

Dogfights create contrails over London's St. Pauls Cathedral during the Battle of Britain
in 1940- at sixty years one of the oldest contrail photos
http://goodsky.homestead.com/files/stpauls.jpg

Crewmen of an American ship watch the contrails as American
and Japanese planes fight it out above Task Force 58 in the Great
Marianas Turkey Shoot on June 19, 1944.
http://goodsky.homestead.com/files/Taskforce58.jpg

Satellite image of the North Atlantic corridor shows contrails west of Great Britain and in mid-Atlantic forming preferentially ahead of two different frontal systems due to higher moisture as the front approaches.
http://goodsky.homestead.com/files/atlanticsat.jpg

1981 NOAA photo of contrail at sunset
http://goodsky.homestead.com/files/noaacon1981.jpg

Many pictures of persistent contrails here taken from space on early shuttle missions.
http://www.astro.ku.dk/~holger/IDA/STSHH.html

A navigator's log from WWII. Note in particular mission #24 and this quote "The contrails were dense, persistent - really hard to even see our own squadron."
http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/1393/andy2.html

WWII pilot's diary Note mission #33
http://www.100thbg.com/mainpages/crews/crews3/jensen.htm

More WWII pics
http://www.100thbg.com/mainmenus/airplanes...es2/Trails6.jpg

http://www.goodsky.homestead.com/files/b17trails.jpg

The question is not what are they spraying. Persistent contrails have been known about since before WWII. The real question is why they are more common now than they used to be. There are many pieces to that answer.

1. Jet traffic has doubled a few times since the 70's. It is projected to double again in just 10 years.

2. Jet engines today are more powerful than older models. This means they burn more fuel and consequently have much more water vapor in the exhaust.

3. Jets travel higher now (on average) partly due to increased traffic and partly due to increased power allowing higher flight. Higher flight means more contrails. Read that study from 1942 for more explanation on this.

4. An increase in traffic increases the exhaust put into the atmosphere. This exhaust has a cumulative effect and results in conditions more conducive to contrail formation over the long run. I've read some studies about it and will try to find them, though not everything is available online.

5. Evidence that airlines have changed their engines can be found in the noise regulations that the FAA has put out. Around 2000, Stage 3 regs went into effect. This is a regulation governing the noise output of jet engines and required every airline to either replace their engines or install hush kits. These newer engines are not only quieter but are more fuel efficient meaning again, more water vapor. Incidentally, Stage 4 regs were due to take effect in January of this year requiring even more changes. I haven't heard specifically if Stage 4 engines are more fuel efficient but I wouldn't doubt it. I do know that many Stage 3 engines already met Stage 4 regs though so many airlines did not have to update. Some of those that did have applied for extensions as they can't make their planes compliant in time.

Depends on the agent, and the weather.

I don't even know if it's intentional. It could be weather modification. It could be any of the crazy theories involving HAARP. It could be for that "Eye Sky" deal. It could be... who knows. It could be that someone doesn't even realize they're doing it (I doubt that but... compartmentalization works... and all these wonderful new grades of fuel...)

have you even bopthered to look it up?
there has been a major undertaking by state governments to stop the spread of such diseases by using pesticides, i know personally here in mi they have been doing it for years and steped it up when the west nile scare was all over, and she is right we have no immunity and they are moving north as the climates get warmer, so for you guys in texas your state is probably freaking out because you're very close to the climate zone that those mosquesttos thrive in...
and how do you know the mosquetto poulation isn't getting much bigger and they are tainking more of them out with the pesticides so then it seems the same, or you could just live in a wetter arian where they would flourish and you would get more then others with or without pesticides...
either way you should check it out google is your friend....

Manapy Its interesting they will all beleive the goverment is trying to kill them , but they will not give a thought to the global warming or all kinds of other things.....HMMMM..... Its mosiquotos guys .....they use immunizations for the guinea pig thing lol.........

bring back DDT!

sheri, we're not talking about those crop dusting planes that spray pesticides and what not, we're talking cessnas, boeings ect. at higher alititude. our goverment denies spraying our skies and claims they are just normal contrails. i've read some creepy stuff but like i said before, who knows. i wouldn't be surprised of they were. i think the government also denies using weather motification while other countries admit to using it. they could be seeding clouds or trying to fix the ozone(or hurt it)? we will never know for sure, atleast for awhile, our gov't keeps so much away from us.



and whatis up with you believing that chemtrails are being sprayed onto the population while you sit there and deny things such as global warming?

So, why don't we see these on a daily basis? Why are they over areas where jets don't fly that much? What I saw were not contrails my friend. Contrails disperse somewhat quickly...these turned into clouds that looked as though they were all feathering out at the bottom.

As all know, I am NOT a conspiracy theorist! But I am very concerned about what I saw.



Sherri...thanks, but it ain't mosquito spray. They do that with fog trucks on a city by city basis targeting areas where birds have been found dead. They don't do it by spraying chemtrails over large population areas. Have you ever seen them Sherri?
I have just begun researching it actually.
As I stated before, here in Texas in the Dallas metroplex specifically, we use fog trucks depending on the areas where dead birds were found and tests confirming West Nile Virus were done. I know they have mosquitos as big as horse flys in Michigan...what about New Jersey? Long Island? This has been going for several years and yet I never noticed it until someone pointed it out to me. It ain't mosquito control.....no way! I don't buy it!



These were not in the jet stream. They weren't contrails and they weren't natural either. I have lived long enough to know the difference. I don't know what they are...but until you actually see them yourself...don't make the same mistake I did and completely disregard them. I saw them...I believe there is something not right with it all. I don't profess to know what or why. But just keep looking in the sky and when you see them....let me know what you think then.

Because the conditions leading to contrail formation are not the same everyday. It depends mostly on temperature and humidity. Those change from day to day.

Not all contrails disperse quickly. Since planes could fly high enough they've known that contrails can be persistent and form cirrus clouds given the right conditions. The pictures and WWII bomber stories I posted show that.

Jets fly all over the country. In the US there is very little airspace that is not used for something. On days when contrails don't form you tend not to notice as many jets. It is for this very reason that fighter pilots brief the contrail altitudes before training sorties. They know to avoid those altitudes as it will make them more visible to the enemy and able to be locked up quicker. The same applies to the targets. If AWACS or GCI tells them a target is at an altitude that is good for contrail formation then they know what to look for. A jet that is "conning" is visible for 25-30 miles. That makes it a lot easier to slew their radar in the right direction to lock up the enemy.

Rein i'm not leaning towards anything positive if it invovles the goverment nor am i saying it couldn't be that the gov't is trying to kill the texans...but i happen to know that mosquitos is a very big issue. due to the global warming and erractic weather patterns that many deny or call a myth...we shall see how much of a myth it is when millions die of malaria...... .....i also know that 13 states (don't have the list at this moment) have laws that PREVENT the public from finding things out...Imagine that.......Did anyone goggle mosquitos ....I'm not kidding the mosquito problem is a huge concern folks..........there was a report issued by a news system outside of the US. that knew of katrina before it happened and we were not told...so if it involves the gov't I'd be very concerned....

I didn't think they did mosquitos at that altitude?

And they definately use trucks here. Late at night they're noisy and they Stink. Gas (or whatever the heck it is... spray) everywhere.

And this has been going on for... a decade? give or take.

Surprising you make a thread with this subject Joc. Are you fishing?

Anyways I'll bite. I have been watching chemtrails over my house in Madison WI, for about three years. They last for hours, spanning the horizon often in criss-cross patterns. I tell people about it, but everyone says it's planes. What makes you think we are being sprayed Joc?

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The government says they don't exist, but Kucinich wants Congress to take action

The debate surrounding the federal government's alleged weather modification experiments has landed in the U.S. Capitol, thanks to Cleveland Democrat Dennis Kucinich. Representative Kucinich introduced the Space Preservation Act of 2001 on October 2 last year, seeking a "permanent ban on [the] basing of weapons in space."

The bill, HR 2977, specifically outlaws a variety of weapons detailed in the December 6, 2001, Columbus Alive article "Stormy Weather," which exposed allegations of secret government aerial spraying activities. Kucinich's bill explicitly outlaws "chemtrails."

Alive asked Kucinich why he would introduce a bill banning so-called chemtrails when the U.S. government routinely denies such things exist and the U.S. Air Force has routinely called chemtrail sightings "a hoax."

"The truth is there's an entire program in the Department of Defense, 'Vision for 2020,' that's developing these weapons," Kucinich responded.

Skeptics who continue to insist the government would never be involved in secret aerial spraying, particularly in Ohio, may want to address their questions to the C-130 aircrews from the 910th Airlift Wing stationed at Youngstown's Air Reserve Station. In July 2000, an Air Force press release bragged, "Fifteen service members from military installations in Germany and England were at Ramstein Air Base, Germany, 8-12 May, learning how to use chemicals to destroy the enemy. The seven airmen and eight soldiers learned how to plan, execute and oversee the entire process of applying pesticides by air." The press release said the Youngstown air unit will only be used against "insects with their deadly diseases."

As for chemtrail skeptics, they might want to consult Rutgers University Political Science Professor Leonard Cole's book Clouds of Secrecy: The Army' s Germ Warfare Test Over Populated Areas. Chemtrail deniers are apparently happy with the thought that their beloved paternalistic government would engage in aerial spraying over densely populated areas.

U.S. Representative Marty Sabo, a Democrat from Minnesota, denounced "the secret Army program to spray Minneapolis and other cities with chemicals in the 1950s and '60s," the Minneapolis Star Tribune reported in September 1994. "The idea that the government would use its own citizens as guinea pigs is appalling, and I condemn it in the strongest possible terms," Sabo told a House subcommittee investigating the secret spraying, which used fluorescent tracers to mark wind patterns.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/FIT203A.html

Here's the bill:

http://www.fas.org/sgp/congress/2001/hr2977.html

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I also came across this

Tape Seems to Confirm Chemtrails A Military Operation
http://www.unknowncountry.com/news/?id=392

"An answering machine tape recently given to chemtrails researcher Will Thomas's Lifeboat News Service who had inquired about unusual contrail formations being seen in the sky over the city. It seems to confirm that controversial "chemtrails" are being spread over that city as a joint U.S.-Canadian military operation."

"Mark, it's Terry Stewart, Victoria Airport Authority. Just calling you back from your comment. From what I gather, it's a military exercise, U.S. and Canadian air force exercise that's going on. They wouldn't give me any specifics on it. Hope that helps your interest. Very odd."

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FAA OFFICIAL CONFIRMS AIR FORCE TANKERS CONDUCTING WEATHER MODIFICATION OVER U.S. AND CANADA

http://www.space4peace.org/haarp/chemtrails.htm

"Speaking on condition of strict anonymity in a secure location, the chain-smoking government source noted that the chemicals sprayed by the air force tankers on March 12 showed up as a "haze" on Air Traffic Control radar scopes. The weather at the time of the incident was unlimited ceiling and visibility, in a cloudless blue sky.

Such cloudy radar returns are consistent with clouds of talcum-fine aluminum oxide particles released by high-flying tankers in a process USAF Weather Force Specialists term, "aerial obscuration."

The Air Traffic Control manager admitted that the chemicals sprayed by the tankers degraded ATC radar returns. When asked if this posed a threat to flight safety, he replied, "not from my perspective."

But the ATC manager added that similar military operations have been carried out "on other dates" and "other regions" in the USA. When asked whether the air force jets crossed into Canadian air space, he replied "yes."

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Who knows?

Quite honestly ScoobyDoo, if you had made this thread...and I hadn't seen them with my own eyes...I would probably dismiss it outright!

I'm not fishing...I saw them....I think someone is spraying something because of the uniqueness of the cloud formations that they turned into. I have been on the planet for several decades and I have never seen 'cloud' formations like this....never! I think someone is spraying something because they never dispersed....they just got blown into withering cloud formations. I think someone sprayed something because I seldom get headaches at night...and both my wife and I had bad headaches. Perhaps coincidence. I think someone is spraying something because the government tells us that they don't even exist...and because they try to explain it all away as a hoax...I have always viewed Kucinich as a nut job...I am rethinking that!


I know precisely the jet fly patterns over my area...I have watched them for years...they do not criss cross at low altitude over my city...they just don't! I appreciate your attempts at explaining them...I just don't know that there is a valid explanation.

As Scooby said: Who knows? I sure as hell don't!

I see them also, joc...parker and hood/erath counties seem to be hot spot as well!

woops.. sorry guys

This may or may not be associated with the chemtrails. I thought I'd tell you about it since you live in Texas.

Doctors puzzled over bizarre infection surfacing in South Texas

Web Posted: 05/12/2006 10:51 AM CDT
Deborah Knapp
KENS 5 Eyewitness News

If diseases like AIDS and bird flu scare you, wait until you hear what's next. Doctors are trying to find out what is causing a bizarre and mysterious infection that's surfaced in South Texas.

Morgellons disease is not yet known to kill, but if you were to get it, you might wish you were dead, as the symptoms are horrible.

"These people will have like beads of sweat but it's black, black and tarry," said Ginger Savely, a nurse practioner in Austin who treats a majority of these patients.

Patients get lesions that never heal.

full article
http://www.mysanantonio.com/global-include...S.32030524.html

The first link is no longer there...but you can just google Morgellons Disease...

I think I have seen the Rense info before when the story about the disease first broke out....but I dismissed it as 'idiocy' by conspiracy whackos. I am not yet a conspiracy whacko but I am certainly viewing all this in a different thought process mode than before.

Folks, I know that most of you who haven't seen chemtrails are rolling your eyes....the same as we do when someone says they saw a UFO up close and personal....but I understand what those UFO folks are going through now...mentally anyway. They have experienced something that they know was real and yet are not finding any validation anywhere for it. The entire chemtrail experience has changed my view of the world somewhat. The thought that someone...government? Foreign terrorists? Pharmaceutical Companies? ...is spraying pathogens or toxins over densley populated areas should give us all pause for thought.

Consider this: In this post 9-11 world....wouldn't it be logical to expect that if 'unknown' airplanes were believed to be spraying something over our cities that the government would be scrambling fighter jets to investigate it? Yet, the government denies chemtrails even exist...or those who say they do give some half-baked explanation (mosquito control) that otherwise very intelligent people suck right up and believe.

The other thing is: I am a bit paranoid about the whole thing...make too big of a stink about it and 'things' might happen to me....

Came across this. Indoctrinating the childeren, the adults of the future.

Chemtrail Sunscreen Taught In US Schools
by William Thomas

A is for Apple.

B is for Boy.

C is for Chemtrails.

At least this is what one American father found while paging through his child's science book. SmT was astonished to find seventh graders being taught about chemtrails. And geoengineeering their home planet.

Anyone with question about the "spray programs" he now says, "should perhaps just ask their kids."

The chemtrails section is found in the Centre Point Learning Science I Essential Interactions science book. Under "Solutions for Global Warming", section 5.19 features a photo of a big multi-engine jet sporting a familiar orange/red paint scheme.

The caption reads: "Figure 1- Jet engines running on richer fuel would add particles to the atmosphere to create a sunscreen".

The logo on the plane says: "Particle Air".

continued

http://www.willthomas.net/Chemtrails/Artic..._US_Schools.htm

Off on a tangent, they are also trainging kids about the new currency for the new north American union.

good info scoobysnack


these chemtrails are all over NW florida, somedays they aren't there but other days they are and they aren't contrails because when i lived in pensacola i lived right by the navy base where the blue angles originate from and the contrails they, and commercial planes, left behind where gone in a max of 6 min, but these you can stand in one spot and watch these chemtrails for 30 mins and all that would be different is the chemtrail would be wider more like a flat cloud, you can watch it spread out.

i don't know what its for but if the government is denying the very existence of something hundreds of us are seeing alot of then i don't think its with the best of intentions.

Thanks for that link scoobysnack.

I hate our new currency. Hated the old new currency lol... north american union... great...

Joc and everyone,

Here's a recent news report from L.A.

Special Report: 'Toxic Sky?"

POSTED: 1:56 pm PDT May 3, 2006
UPDATED: 6:43 am PDT May 24, 2006

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It's a quiet mountain community, but some residents claim something's happening in the sky that's making them sick --

Mystery clouds and unusual contrails ... Is it a weather experiment on a massive scale?

In a Channel 4 News investigation, Paul Moyer looks into why some say the government is manipulating the weather.

You can watch a preview to the video here

http://www.nbc4.tv/news/9155725/detail.html

Here you can watch the entire video in full. I'm at work so I have not seen it yet, so I will watch it when I get home. I hope it's worth my time posting.

http://www.nbc4.tv/video/9265818/detail.html

Wasnt it about a month ago, that the chineese came out and said that they were going to try to create rain to clear out one of their cities, that had been hit with a major dust storm, or something along those lines? Not sure the details, but I read it here, so I am sure someone knows what I am talking about.

yeah i think it was bejing(sp?), and it looks like the story on chemtrails is getting to the media fast

The trails over my town have stopped for almost 2 weeks. Weather has been consistent. You think air traffic has just completely stopped? More likely, they've put a moratorium on what ever they're doing for some strange reason. They will start again and it's gonna look nasty around here.

More likely the weather has not nearly been as consistent as you think.

yeah, because the government would not do anything without telling us first.

I bought a digital camera, so I will take pictures of the chemtrails above my house this summer. Some days there all over the place, other days there is not a single trail anywhere. Whatever it is if anything, I'll post my pics later in the summer.

Wrong. Believe me, I've been watching.

What government do you think is doing it? There are not enough planes, time, or people in the US Air Force to accomplish a job as big as it would have to be. Sure they have a lot of tankers but those are busy in the war or being repaired because they are 30+ year old airframes that break down all the time.

Anyway the science behind contrail formation and persistent contrails has been known since airplanes could fly high enough. Reference my previous posts in this thread for more info.
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...dpost&p=1191239
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...dpost&p=1191244
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...dpost&p=1191258

I asked this question before and it was ignored.

If this is some dasterdly deed..with some nefarious purpose, how is it regulated? How are the people who are behind "it" protecting themselves and their families and friends when the dispersal is governed by the whims of the wind?

What do you suppose "it" is?..some dumb down gas?..some virus that only works on the enemies of the gubment?..some alien precursor???...what?

Well no one knows what is going on. It may not be a deadly chemical at all. It's very possible they just added something to the fuel to the contrail lasts in the air longer. If you read my earlier post about science classes teaching chemtrails to 7th graders, they give the reason is to help block out the sun. I don't know exactly what that does.

It could be a lot of things or nothing.

compartmentalization I *think* is what it's called.

compartmentalization is as insidious as incrementalism.

What I want to know is if the Government is spraying these chemicals all over the world then wouldn't they be affected too?

I finally watched this, and it was very good. They showed many pics of chemtrails. It was actually very fairly reported. Everyone watch it.

http://www.nbc4.tv/video/9265818/detail.html

Very interesting! If they are doing climate engineering why not just say so? Why be so secretive about it?

Maybe that's just the way the guberment does things...

All I know is that they aren't contrails.