By now, hopefully, you have heard of me and that, by doing so, you will know that the question I have begun this thread with is serious. In understanding this, I am hoping that you will also take it just as seriously.

I believe that enough has been said about our 'beliefs' or 'non-beliefs' in Ouija Boards to sink a battleship. And so, just for this thread and, maybe just this once, it would be helpful if we could discard our beliefs or credulity either way to explore the possibility that I have set before you. I feel that now is the time to take this whole topic a big step forward so that we may all learn something that has never-before been seen or heard anywhere else. In doing this, I would also like you to know that this is the first forum I have attempted such a thing and so here, is a world first and it is entirely up to you what the outcome may be. I would be very honoured indeed if you could see your way to taking part in something that will eventually lead you to something truly exciting and brand spanking new. So, be prepared to be spellbound Ok? What you are about to become a part of is something that you're going to be talking about for a long time to come.

So, before diving in proper, what I propose that we do first is to say, dip our feet in water that you have not experienced before. To do this, I would like you to look at the question, think it over in your mind and then make your comment based on how you feel about it. Is it or is it not possible to cure a *planet* using a Ouija Board?

No matter what your thoughts are on this yet, I promise you that you wont be judged or disrespected in any way. I would like to feel your true thoughts on this matter without fear or derision of any kind and know that I am already taking you seriously - after all, like me, you too are a Soveriegn Entity and deserve nothing less than my utmost respect. Thus, you shall have it.

Then, when we've had a bash and you're satisfied, good and ready, I will share a story with you that can not only be ratified through your own boards in every detail - or that all psychics can discern through their Guides (you wont be able to yourself see? Its too big) but that will take you to whole vistas and thoughts that have never entered your mind before.

I need your comments and input mainly to see how best to share this with you as well as to lead you towards something that is much advanced from the usual 'Ouija' topics ("Do they or do they not work?" - "I don't believe them" - "They're 'evil'" and so on). At the end of it will come answers to many questions that have dogged us all for a long time. Between us, we will clear the board on them all. (no pun intended).

Tell your friends wont you? Bring people in if you can for, what you are about to hear, you have never heard before - and nor have they - but that we will need *numbers* involved Ok? And, always remember that, no matter what, *everything* I will soon share with you can be ratified anytime you choose to ratify it - and I do mean, word for word.

Are you ready for something completely different concerning Ouija Boards (or mine is much better)? Are you ready for thoughts and experiences that you've never thought and experienced before? I hope so. I hope, just for this one thread that you can bring yourself to trust me so that I may bring to you wonders and awe-inspiring events that you will remember for all eternity. (And I do mean this).

Are you ready for something BIG?

Ok then. Let's do it!

Step one:

Is it possible to cure our planet using just a Ouija Board?

It's over to you now.


I Thank You For Your Time

Bob Daulby

To answer you main qeustion. No. I don't think so. Ouijia is just for entertainment. Or atleast that's what the original bored was intended to be used for.

No it isn't possible! But I have just been told by my Spirit Guide, an ancient Indian named Breath Smell Like Buffalo Pie, that the world can be saved through the use of peanut butter, raw steak, and back issues of 'Hustler' magazine!
Everyone got the plan? OK, break!

He's a salesman. He's trying to sell us a pdf file of books and a Ouija board. You have to make your own planchette though.

Beware the man hawking his wares.

By the pricking of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes.

Yes I agree. It was originally invented for entertainment purposes only.

Now it's different...

Ok. Thank you for your input. But, wouldn't it be funny if your Guide was really so named and you thought you guessed it? (Ooer!)

Not really, since I don't believe in spirit guides. Why do we need them? Are we not sufficent to achieve things on our own?

What would we be saving our planet from? What is putting it in danger?

I have the right to sell anything I wish and even be proud of it. Does that make me 'evil' I wonder?

However, I would ask that you actually read the question again where, it is hoped, you will see that I am not selling anything. I am asking a question and would much appreciate your response to that rather than make a thing out of me or my product.

Incidentally, when I'm done in this thread, you'll have a much better idea of what it is I am *really* selling and of how this goes way beyond just a board and a simple pdf file. Buy my product and I *promise* and *guarantee* to REMOVE your fear and lack of understanding. Thus, it is not so much a product I am selling but the training. Since I am (really) 'the best there is' as far as communication and interaction with *many* worlds of existence in our worlds beyond and not some two cent psychic who *think* they know better then, as it is in all things, you get what you *pay* for. I am not free. I am not cheap because what *I* bring lasts for ALL eternity and is not something that will disappear next week sometime. This is far more than merely 'talking to ghosts'. (Much more) but, because you're stuck in a looped rut, as yet, you can't see this.

Every now and then, someone comes along in this world who makes enormous advancements for the rest of mankind. Why shouldn't I be one of them? Why not you? But then, if you're going to insist on being so stuck on the 'evil' of sales etc (or whatever), how will you achieve this?

I have a challenge for you.

DON'T buy my product. In fact, I would ask that *no one* from here, buy my product. Instead, get out your Ouija Board, ovecome all your own fears and doubts (and I do mean work at it and not sit there expecting someone else to do it for you) and find all this out for yourself in your own way. And, when you do, you will see that, whatever I have said here is nothing short of the actual truth as it really is and not because I say so.

Do this and we can talk. Don't do it then, what will your talk be worth?

By the way, you do not have to buy or make a planchette. (You should read my website carefully too - lol).

Now then, as to the *original* question, what are your thoughts on this please?

Please, I respectfully ask you, let's stick to the topic at hand. We can debate the 'evils' of my sales pitch elsewhere another time. This is just too important Ok?

But, thank you anyway.

Bob Daulby

Okay, Bob...

That was quite a post, and I will bite. Nope, the planet cannot be saved by the Ouija board. Simple answer is there is nothing the board can tell us that we don't already know about what we are doing to our planet. Until people start caring about Mother Earth, nothing will change.

Now, if you are talking religion, i.e., Armageddon. The answer is still no. For those who believe in that, there is nothing a Ouija board can say to change their minds it is happening, how it is happening or why it is happening. For that matter, for those who believe, nothing could stop Armageddon.

Now, what is the big news? I am patently awaiting your revelations.

Amy

That's what I was thinking. We should be thinking of ways to save ourselves from this planet. From what we know of history, the earth could suck us in and spit us out at anytime.

A lot of people don't 'believe' in Guides so, you're not alone. However, as I have repeated here many times, our 'belief' or 'non-belief' in things supernatural play absolutely no part in the actuality of that reality. For example, because you can't see the sun and can't feel it, don't 'believe' in it (or do) doesn't make it *not* there. The sun exists *anyway* do you see? It is the same for life after death, Guides, lower entities and entities, (as yet) beyond your knowledge. Hopefully and, very soon, this wont last much longer now.

Can we achieve things on our own without Guides?

Actually, we achieve *everything* on our own without Guides - or rather, whether we have Guides or not (but most of us do and don't realise it yet). We *DO* - or rather, choose our own actions via our own choices all the time whilst Guides *guide* you see?

If we need guidance then, *guidance* (not 'orders') is what we will always recieve. But, what most don't understand (because we're not told) is that Guides know us on levels that we don't know ourselves - hence there need for all of us. We are not in contact with our subconscious minds - but Guides are. We are not in touch with our souls. But Guides are. Seldom do we know our deepest, most profound needs. But Guides do. We all have many inward things that we cannot overcome alone. Guides know how we can achieve this because, they know us better then we know ourselves (or ever will). Guides are always *much* higher than us and so, know well, our chosen path even if we don't know it ourselves. They know our goals and purpose in life and will help us to see this and so, continue on our way far less puzzled than we usually are. Guides are our best friend, our closest confidente and love us beyond our comprehension to understand. They are higher thus, they love more, understand more and know a great deal more than we can possibly know in this one small lifetime. And, for the clever ones amongst us, Guides are *always* vastly more intelligent too.

Guides are, so often, mistaken for 'angels'. But, all Guides, even yours, are far more powerful than any Angel and so, know exactly where and how to protect us far better than we could ever protect ourselves - even from ourselves who are often our own worst enemy.

And this is but a potted version of why we need Guides at all.

Thank you for your input and for giving me the opportunity for sharing this with you.

Bob Daulby

Us.

We did - and still do.

Thus, it must be WE who must put it right - hence this thread to you today. Hang in there and you will discover how you (and anyone else willing to join in) can reverse our history.

Bob

Sorry, I couldn't let this one get by..... I can see the sun and since I livein the desert, trust me, I'm feeling it! Therefore, I know it exists.....

"Imagination is more important than knowledge"

Isn't this your chosen signature? May I ask you, do you mean it or have you put it there for fun?

Imagine *if*... that's all we need do. (Hence this thread). What IF we could achieve this through our ouija boards? What then? (Try it. See what your guts say Ok?)

Meantime, you would be very surprised that the Ouija Board CAN tell us things we didn't know as to what is happening to ourselves and our world. (You only have to ask you know and not take my word for it - or indeed, anything I say).

I am well aware of the many prophecies that have foretold our impending doom for eons. But, you know what? I am of the firm conviction that *any* prophecy can be overturned IF we have the will to overturn it - and yes, including Armaggedon. I am of the firm conviction that if we *decide* against a thing then that thing will not occur. Thus, we all have this choice. Prophecies are *not* written in stone. Prophecies are warnings only and so, should be treated as such and not the god given unavoidable laws of the universe or something that we 'believe' them to be.

In the meantime, the reason why you don't 'believe' the world can be saved whilst using a Ouija Board is because you have very little knowledge of how everything truly works. Once you do then, I am sure that you wont be so convinced of this.

Give me a chance and I'll explain it as soon as this first rush is over Ok? We'll get there I promise so, stick with me on this Ok? After that, you'll have a choice to make - better still, a more informed one at that.

Bob

Actually, I must congratulate you for this and even thank you for it too. I suppose it gave me pause for thought and, had I spoken to you first of this project then the real question would have been, "If YOU were given the opportunity to help steer all of mankind to a far better future, would you do it?" Yes. That would have been better I think. Too late now though eh?

Meantime, it's true and right that you should bring up our history for, it is our history, even from eons ago, that has caused Mother Earth to come to this calamity. It is our doing and, if we have the will to do so then, we simply must undo it as soon as we can. And, make no mistake will you for, we CAN. It's just a matter of knowing how that's all. But, we'll come to that very soon.

Bob

Exactlly what were you planning to do with this ouija board.Arm the troops with them?

To save space, I'm not posting the quote of the post I am replying to, but I think it will become obvious. Ourworldsbeyond, you offer no proof, no facts other than an infomercial host's claim to knowledge we need. I hope, with all my faith in humanity, that no one does buy your wares and listens instead to that inner voice (not a 'guide', nothing more supernatural than a conscience) that tells them they don't need to be told what to do to 'save' the earth.
We are in contact with our subconscious; they're called dreams.
We are in contact with our souls; it is everything that is good in humanity.
We do not need guides; so many people are confused by their religion and their beliefs that they cannot still themselves long enough to be in contact with their souls. Thusly, they survive on their baser natures and, yes, mankind's history has been a series of errors. But it also has it moments that transcend that. To attribute those moments to something other than what is good, true and powerful in a person is insulting and demeaning, not only to the people that achieve, but to all mankind.
That said, you are hawking nothing more than another belief system, another way of undercutting people's faith in their own power, more cosmic noise.
You are no better than the garbage on late night cable stations, and I hope you enjoy your time there.

Hold on there, Bob. Before you start regailing us with how we can reverse our history, we are going to need a little something more solid than your insistance that we need to do so.

What exactly have we, as humans, done to the planet that has not been done before by some other living creature?

Good. Then accept this.

You LIVE therefore you have a soul. The fact that you are speaking to me now is sufficient evidence of your own soul.

But rather than have me go into a huge booklet on how this is so, I ask that you research this on the internet Ok? Meantime, this thread is not about *whether* life after death exists or not but that it does and the Ouija Board works - without the usual debate. We need to move on Amybutts and we really haven't the time to get embroiled in the usual in this thread if that's Ok with you - Ok? (grin)

But, by all means, keep 'em coming just the same.

Bob

Yes

hi,
how is a Quija board different now than when it was first brought out on the market?i don't think the boards any different but maybe the people using it are .if using it was possible,don't you think george w. bush would have 5 of them on his desk in the oval office.i along with many others on these forums are veterans,and i can guarantee you a Quija board won't stop a bullet.

This is a belief system that you are 'hawking' too. Are you aware of this?

Again, I am 'hawking' nothing. I ask the question and I only ask for your answer - but NOT to buy from me too. (Did you read that last time? Do you read only what you want to read or do you read all of it?).

Meantime, I've got a surprise for you. Whether you 'believe' it or not yet, *no one* travels in this world alone. It has *nothing* to do with any 'belief' system. It just is.

Since you brought it up, I also want to make clear that I am also not 'selling' a philosophy or yet another 'belief' system either. I really am not interested in such luxuries myself and have no time for them what-so-ever. In my mind, such 'beliefs' have held us back for millenia and, for me, we can live well without *any* of them. For me, if we really do need to 'believe' in anything then, as you have suggested here, I would much prefer that we 'believe' in ourselves.

...but that does not mean that any of us are ever too big to be guided.

When Sir Edmond Hillary climbed to the top of Mount Everest, he did not do it alone. Who do you think went with him and even showed him the way when HE didn't know how?

Your own life is your own Everest. What gives you the idea that you are alone in this vast universe? Again, because you 'believe' you are does *not* make it so. And again I say to you, don't *ever* take my word for this alone. You don't know me so I don't expect you to. But I DO expect you to look for yourself - instead of hiding behind fear that is also not your own but are *instilled* 'beliefs' handed down to you from someone else.

Stop 'believing' so much. Learn the real 'what is' instead and you'll find that, rather than impinge upon your beliefs, you'll find those that will even enhance them - and yes, even through a Ouija Board of all things - that ISN'T mine.

For goodness sake, please don't be so angry. I am not after your soul Ok?

This is only a post. it is not *possession*. You have nothing to fear from me - ever.


Bob

It is 'different' because I am now in the position to say it is and to show others just like you how this is too. It was a *toy* before. Now, today, it is something far more poweful and, very soon, you'll see how.

Can it stop a bullet? No. But it can stop the shooter.

If they did then why hasn't Bush got five around his table?

If Bush ever did then he would never have invaded Iraq I can promise you that much.

But, we'll talk of that later Ok?

Meantime, as you can see, people are already struggling with the first question so, we need to get through this first Ok?

Bob

What has been done before has been done *many* times before that. When we have done it, we gave little or no thought at all to how our history would effect our own world. Today and, if not corrected, we will suffer the consequences due to us. It's that simple. If we leave a house to repair itself, it wont. The same applies to this world too. And, because it was done before doesn't mean that it's somehow right now. It was wrong then and it is still wrong - and you know it too don't you?

To change history, we must change the future - which is what this thread is really about Ok?

Bob

PS: Back tomorrow.

What if the Ouija backfired? Then we became doomed for all eternity as we would be swept into a black hole.

No, I charge for nothing. Belief in yourself is, and always should be, free. Your website sells information. Hence, you profit from things that should be free.

You're here to draw attention to your website.
*Sigh* I repeat, proof please. It's not my job to find evidence to support your position.



I come from a rabidly Christian family. I have abandonded the beliefs instilled in me and decided what to believe on my own.
Nice try, though.


I am not angry for my sake, but for the sake of those gullible enough to listen to you. What evidence there is for the use of Ouijia boards points to them being dangerous. You are advocating dangerous behavior. You are just as dangerous as a drug dealer, or a religious madman, or any other head lemming leading the horde over the cliff.
To all who read this thread: think for yourself before you listen to this person's reasoning. At best, you will be sucked into believing a toy can save the world. At worst, you will be encouraged to make contact with dark and dangerous powers.

Yes, since it is my signature, it would suggest I believe it. I think it is the world that lacks imagination. You asked a question, I gave you my answer as I percieve it. Sorry it does not fit into your "theory".





Wasn't getting "cheeky" with you, Bob. I don't need convincing of life after death and I was not trying to go off topic. Just replying to one of your answers. Your analogy just did not quite seem to fit what you were trying to say. Now, I have to say, all this cloak and dagger routine along with a bit of hypersensitivity I am perceiving from you, has quite lost my interest.

I'll give you credit ourworldsbeyond, this thread lasted longer than I expected. I credit your determination.

Ugh! I've just read this thread and now I feel like I need to take a shower, scour my tongue and wash my keyboard. *shudders*

Oh gawd this is still here? Can I see his ego? No. But do I know it exists? Yes.

Start a thread that has nothing to do with what you're selling and quit speaking like you're the know-all and end-all and maybe, just maybe (but I highly doubt it at this point) someone might take you seriously.

And don't tell me I don't have 'understanding' and that I'm 'caught in a rut' because I told everyone what you're doing before you got to finish your little campaign. And don't you worry I won't be buying anything from your website. That's a bona fide 100% money back guarantee right there.

When you come back, try and actually answer the question. What are we humans doing to the planet that has not been done by all other animals before?

He doesn't know tha answer. He just wants us to think that he right and we are just ignorant naderthals.(s/p?)

Coldethyl:

Oh, look, I'm gonna go off topic!

On VH1, they are going to have a acknowledgment of achievement show thing for Alice Cooper (I just cannot find the right words, Bob must have me stumped!). Not sure when, sometime this month...... I saw it on the previews and it made me think of your signature.

I actually just ate at his restaurant here in Phoenix a couple weeks ago for my birthday. It was pretty good! Lots of memorabilia.

How about hemorrhoids? If I apply your product to the location of my hemorrhoids, will it remove them?



Wow, you sound exactly like Jesus, Buddha, or Lao-Tse.



Because you have a hilarious cheesebag infomercial website?



Because I don't suffer from delusions of grandeur?



It's too long, and the design makes my eyes bleed, and the writing is hideous, and it asks for $200 - LOL!



Is it possible to save whom from what?

Um a ouiji board is just a game, how can a wooden board with numbers and letters stuck on it and a small glass save the world from, say, a meteorite smacking into it?

Good qeustion. Does that mean we have to wait for him to answer.

Oh, and there's this small matter:



Wonder no more, Mr. Daulby. If you say you have information that could "save our planet," and you're charging the "ridiculous low price of $199" a head for that information instead of eagerly giving it away for free to anyone who will take it, then we needn't speculate further on your moral character, to say nothing of your own desire to continue existing. I mean, where will you go if no one buys your world-saving information, and the planet goes "blooie?"

Consider your sales pitch crushed.

So in other words, no matter what we believe, we're actually following YOUR belifs.

Gotcha.

OK here are my thoughts - Putting aside Bob's 'website antics' and cutting the crap ( sorry for being blunt here Bob) from his ramblings of 'try and guess what I mean type approach' I think the answer to Bob's question is ---

The implications of wide scale oujiboard use in society is a little like how the internet works and what it can do for us. The internet connects us all together in various pockets without us needing to go anywhere physically, Just like this forum board.

But the internet can only connect us so far ie - just on this earthly plane amongst fellow living human beings. But even at this rate it isn't perfect because Governments can to an extent control content available to its populations for example China - I'm sure we are all aware of the recent google relationship with China in that it agreed to censorship what the Gov wanted out of its search engine for the Chinease population. So even something as great as the interent can be controlled and corrputed.

Now if you are a believer and accept that the ouji board is simply a tool for comunincating beyond our earthly plane then it is fairly easy to see what the implications could be. Like the internet it can allow us to connect but beyind what we know. We have heard alot about lower level entites in connection to the ouji board and there has been some extensive discussion about how to deal with these and how to equip yourself with the knowledge in understanding them and with how the spirit worlds work, anyone can learn but I know this is not everyones cup of tea. However this view is just a valid as any other because the one thing skeptics and believers can agree on at themoment is either way you can't disprove any of this....

So apart from the lower level enties there is also the higher level entities and they are so much advanced in all aspects, they walk in the light of truth with complete love and respect for all. Like Bob has said they exist in a timeless manner and their work goes much beyond our own little planet and world here. We all have a higher self and getting in touch with our guides is one way to connecting to that and beyond. Does it really matter if it's a tool is used such as a ouji board or meditation or from developing psyhic sense? I don't think it really does personally, any tool is just like using a modem to connect to the internet.... but I see Bob is hellbent on promoting the ouji board as the best way and maybe because aside from his 'website' it is the easiest way to master a collective connection rather than a individual one?

The implications could be that with widespread oujiboard use we create a sort of physic internet. Where knowledge and guidence in our best interests can be passed on from the spirit world. I think what Bob is saying is that such knowledge out there can assist us in repairing and maintaining our planet and existance. No Gov can interfere, derail or corrupt or censorship such information like they can with the internet, and if they were to turn to these resources to guide them in guiding us, as in a sense we would also be able to guide ourselfs on the same level then maybe the world would become a better place?

You know what comic books call those kind of people?

Villains.

I'd make a comparison of Daulby to Lex Luthor, except Lex is a genius and doesn't hawk crap.

Can we not just see past Bobs website and perhaps salesmanship motive in all this? Whether hes selling a $200 PDF file ( which i don't agree with anymore than anyone else does) but it doesn't really matter in all this, there is a good point in the discussion he raises that goes beyond that. Anyway, you can make your own board very easily for the price of a piece of paper if you wished to.

I think the correct answer to truely saving the planet is the extinction of the human race, as we are all a worldly leech, draining it of it's resources and disturbing its natural cycle. As far as a ouija board saving it is concerned... that is the most amusing sales pitch I've ever heard for anything *cackles till bits hurt, takes a short break then cackles some more whilst pointing at Bob then goes off to spend his time more productively*

I'm sorry Bob, but are you fricking seroius?!?
Ouji boards are not going to save us from anything, and if you REALLY had the answers on your site why would you charge $199 for them?
Unless of course your a egocentric maniac with delusions of grandeur.

With permission of the hobo incase of unecessary trouble using a torn side of his sleeping quarters and some crayons you can also produce a 'world saving' 'troop armed' ouija board
Although a troop with each carrying a ouija board under thier arm would crack me up, rendering me defenseless but then a feather duster would have the same effect.

Hufff! How ridicolous, this guy is actually stating "I can get can rid of the troubles in the world with my easy to use guided manual?"

What a joke, it's how all the salesmen do it, they exaggerate the simplest of things and make it look like it's some kind of problem that your "out to resolve" and that you can do so by "buying their product", cheap is what it is.

It sounds like he's made the equation to saving the whole world from disaster, look everyone, prepare the way as our world savior has returned, Rosemary speaks of the truth!

I do not mean to offend, but I did not read the original post.

There is nothing that can be said to persuade me that the Ouija Board, a cleverly designed toy that can only convince the uneducated, is anything more than just a cleverly designed toy.

To answer the question, the Ouija Board can not save our planet from anything. At all. The belief in something like this can only do wrong.

Thanks a million for the info!!
Now see that's information I can use and would pay for!

Back to this topic:
I don't think I'm sure what the planet needs to be saved from. I'm sick and tired of hearing about how humans are destroying the planet. No we're not. If you ask me the planet seems to be doing just fine. Yeah we made mistakes, but we're correcting them and we didn't need a $200.00 pdf file to tell us how.
Ouija is a game made by Parker Brothers. Yeah the planchette moves when you touch it and it's cool and all but it's not going to "save the planet" any more than Monopoly is going to save the whales.

Gonna have to agree to disagree on this one (not the monoply thing ) as we have made a bit of a mess of the planet, admitedly, we are trying to clean it up. The seasons are outta whack and the icecaps are melting and there is a whole in the ozone layer, but NO, ouiji boards aren't gonna save anyone or anything from anything. They are silly and dangerous and should NOT be messed with.

I was waiting for someone to bring up the hole in the ozone.
Ozone fact sheet
This is a quote from the above source, "In most parts of the world the reactions are very slow and there is little damage to the ozone layer, however over the Antarctic a dramatic hole opens in the ozone layer every spring and fills in again by mid-summer. This is created by the unusual atmospheric conditions that exist during the Antarctic winter."

It's just not as bad as everyone believes. And like I said we are working to fix things. We plant trees, we're using hybrid cars now, etc. But I won't try and convince you otherwise. I will agree that we can agree to disagree.
As long as we both know that a pdf Ouija for the amazingly low price of $199.99 isn't going help a darn thing, we're cool....