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dancin'hamster
Many of you have probably heard of Tulpas - or Thought-Forms!
I have a little theory that perhaps a great deal of hauntings and poltergiest cases are more to do with this than the spirits of dean people.

Back in the late 70's, a Dr by the name of Wislon Van Dsen began treating a series of patients who claimed that they were being stalked by phantom people.
One such girl complained that her phantom lover would not leave her alone. She had started a new job, and her collegues all had boyfriends, so she made one up. She named him 'Stephen'. And now she was being tormented by him. Van Dusen asked where Stephen was and she indicated to her side. She then said "Stephen told me that you were reading a book on Greek myths yesturday".... Van Dusen immeadiately remembered the book sitting on his bedside table at home, miles away.....
The whole account, and many more similar stories are in The Natural Depth In Man by Van Dusen.... give it a read ~ very, very compelling!

The early 20th-century French explorer Madame Alexandra David-Neel had converted to Buddhism, and spent years studying magical - or occult - theory and practice with monks in the mountain fastnesses of Tibet. She decided to experiment by creating a tulpa, or thoughtform, of a monk.

For months she performed the prescribed exercises, concentrating so hard on the face and form of this non-existent character that gradually he came to assume a vague outline in the air, which then began to fill in - until he seemed perfectly solid. She had succeeded in creating a thoughtform of a fat, jolly monk who so objectively real that he was seen by others.

However, as is the way with such things, he soon began to change - for the worse. As his existence was acknowledged by more and more people, his autonomy increased and his personality began to sour. He grew thinner and more sinister-looking: Madame David-Neel realized she had to dissolve him. He had become a ‘day nightmare’, and it took her six months of concentrated demolition work to destroy her creation - a magical Frankenstein’s monster.

The existence of magically-created tulpas raises many questions, not only about the power of the mind, but also about the nature of life itself. How can we ever be sure that the people we pass in crowds - or even hold conversations with - are not some kind of soul-less tulpa? '

Hammy x x x

Agent_21
That's fascinating. I wonder if these may be responsible for the occasional accounts of spirit molestation or ghost rape?

It sound like a dangerous game to be playing, creating Tulpas.

How can we ever be sure that the people we pass in crowds - or even hold conversations with - are not some kind of soul-less tulpa? '
Think I've met a few! laugh.gif
dancin'hamster
QUOTE (Agent_21 @ Oct 9 2003, 04:51 PM)
That's fascinating. I wonder if these may be responsible for the occasional accounts of spirit molestation or ghost rape?

wouldn't go that far but I'm sure it could explain a minority of attacks.

Have you heard of Phillip the made-up phantom?
A ghost that was created by a group of people and then contacted through a ouija board!

I do have a story about people being attacked, but you know me! Put it in a safe place and can't find it!

Hammy x x x
Cufflink
I read of a story involving ghosts that were of people that were'nt even dead. Whether this falls into the recordings category, Hammy, or fits more with thoughts creating something, I don't know.

Can't give specifics, because I can't find the original source, although you, Agent or someone might have the original account somewhere.

A family were seeing and hearing ghostly children playing in their attic/upstairs room. They managed to track down the man who had lived there as a child, and asked him if he remembered anything of a ghostly nature.

When the spectral kiddies were described to him, the man was amazed. The ghosts were himself and his little sister, who had played in that room, extremely happily, for many years of their childhood. And along with himself, his sister was still very much alive.
Thunder
this is getting a little bit weird... so we can "clone" with out "copying" someone else and we don't need to use big expensive machines or anything? i'm gonna make a parrot with a human's head that says nothing but gay stuff.
sarkypi
Ooooooh

Thank you Hammy original.gif ,

This is really interesting...

I know you said monk tulpa changed for the worse, but do they always change for the worse. I mean I guess that wouldn't surprise me. I am happy on the outside, and I have sinister thoughts on the idea.
I did some automatic handwriting before I joined this forum, and I wrote a little something about this, but I had not heard of tulpas, so I put it aside. I love it when my automatic writing comes full circle, so to speak.

I guess if it is our mind creating tulpas people could mistake them for spirit guides/angels hmmmmm.

So much information to think about now.

Are there any books on tulpas?
Agent_21
Funnily enough I was going to mention a book.

My comments above were prompted by a book I found in a 2nd hand store a few years ago. I t didn't use the term Tulpa, as I recall, but the 'process' and results mentioned bore some resemblance to what Hammy was talking about.

It was apparently independently published, from abroad and very cheap. Some of the contents were very dubious I thought, so to keep it from falling into just anybody's hands I bought it and disposed of it. (High minded aren't I wiggle.gif ) I don't remember the title and I haven't come across it since.
dancin'hamster
Sarki, the book I mentioned is sort of about Tulpas, and a couple of Colin Wilsons' books refer to them as well.
Why not type 'Tulpa' into your search engine ~ you'll probably get loooooooooads of info!

Hammy x x x
Althalus
To answer the question, the Tulpa monk got out of control, it only did this because Alexandra Neel could not control it properly, as she only did it as an experiment, and was not fully into making it.

You have to be fully in control and mantally strong for it work properly, being even slightly weak and you have lost it.

Tulpas are by nature malevolent, almost as if they are chaos beings, and you give them phisical form and so control them by encasing them in the one form of your choosing.

By loosing mental control, you give it freedomto act of its own accord, it would be interesting to see if it's form changed with someone who had fullylost control of one.
sarkypi
Sorry Hammy,

I was so excited when I read the thread and typed my post.
I missed the blurb about the book. That what I get for posting at work.
I almost want to create a tulpa...
I am going to a psychic fest this weekend so I am definately going to see if I can find more information.
and as for u agent that is just absolutely evil disgust.gif u u book burner u...... wink2.gif
Agent_21
Honestly Sarki, its not something I did lightly. dontgetit.gif I'm not in the habit of book burning. Several of my best friends are books and many more lie around in small piles waiting to be read. ONE of these came to mind when I read through this thread. Although Hammy's suggestion sounds more like what you want, you might be interested in The Magical Use of Thoughtforms. It is by Dolores Ashcroft-Nowicki, who has authored several books and is an ethical worker.

The chapters are divided into 3 sections: the nature of reality/the astral plane/using thought forms. Only 1 brief mention of Tulpas, but Familiars homonculi and astral forms are covered. You may find it interesting. Let us know about the psychic fest.

A:21
Cufflink
I'm inclined to follow along the lines of the theory that peachy puts forward on another thread in this section, namely that a passing entity absorbs the thoughts/memories that are being put out, and takes on the personality itself.

Maybe not in every case, but can parapsychologists explain away every case to match their solution?

peachykeane
I've read somewhere that in both buddhist and spiritualist beliefs on the afterlife the mind has a direct role to play in creating and shaping the environment that it finds itself in post mortem but perhaps the mind has this ability in life also.

Cufflinks mentioning 'living ghosts' also reminded me of my sisters freinds daughter who seems to have been able to bi-locate on several occasions, being seen by family and neighbours in the house when she was in a different place altogether, once out of the country and once when she was ill in hospital.
Agent_21
QUOTE (peachykeane @ Oct 10 2003, 12:48 PM)
my sisters freinds daughter who seems to have been able to bi-locate on several occasions, being seen by family and neighbours in the house when she was in a different place altogether, once out of the country and once when she was ill in hospital.

Something similar happened to my dad when he was in the army. He was abroad, suffering from a fever, and apparently bi-located to a relative's house in the UK.
dancin'hamster
Would that not come under 'Crisis Apparitions'?

Well, when they were ill?

*shrugs*

erm..........ah......forgotten what I was going to say

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peachykeane
In the friends daughters case she was not seriously ill while in hospital, or in any danger or ill health when out of the country.

It was her mother who first realised when her daughter was still little, she went upstairs and saw her jumping up and down on the bed and thought nothing of it then turned and walked into another room to see her sitting on the floor colouring in a book. When her dad first experience it he didn't even have to say anything she could just tell from the look on his face and said 'you've seen her haven't you?' She'd not previously mentioned her experience to anyone. As far as I know none of the events happened when she was ill or in danger.
dancin'hamster
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weird............
sarkypi
O.K.
Went to the festival and found out a bit about tulpas.
First they are called everything but a tulpa here. original.gif
I had to twist my friend psychic Scottie's arm for info. Such a sweetie. Concerned about my welfare. I got him to recommend some book, on creating thought forms. I don't plan on putting that info up tho, as it may get into the wrong hands.
However, one does not really need to use a book to create/experience what a tulpa is. This info I will share, as a lot of us have had unwanted experiences.
It seems it is quite easy to make a tulpa. It's just not easy to get rid of one. Once a thought is created, it lives on the astral plane along with vampires, trolls, nessie etc, etc.
Our thoughts/intentions are quite powerful. For people that mediatate/protect themselves with the white diamond light above your head. That is kinda of like a thought form. For the people that meditate and are reading this next time you put the white diamond light above your head intentionally think about it being a thought form. Use your instincts. It is quite possible for a elemental to pretend to be a spirit guide/guardian. Cut it off, if this happens. If you do not cut it off, it will be strong enough to get away from you.
My friend also got me thinking. He said, it is quite possible to walk into a thought form/tulpa. Have you ever walked in a room, and just wanted to go along with the crowd. That is walking into the tulpa. Maybe no one has an original thought. Maybe our lives are being guided by tulpa cause thoughts are always floating around.
dancin'hamster
Hi Sarky ~ original.gif

Have you heard of the 'Pheremone Theory'?
from the situation described above, it would probably make more sense than walking into a Tupla.
The idea is simple:
All animals give off pheremones. They are for attracting mates, warning of territory etc etc. As animals we also give off pheremones.........so, we can be attracted to a person and not knpw why. Some debt cpllection agencies use male pheremones sprayed onto thier letters to subliminally threaten clients!
So, if a group of people express fear, and give off a scent, perhaps they are laying down a trail of pheremones which other people pick up on, and then feel creeped out or uneasy!!!

Brain definately hurting now.......... wacko.gif

Hammy x x x
Halo_Jones
Could Imaginary friends be Tulpas? Both are born from the thought of an individual. Imaginary friends are very real to the child and can assume any form the child likes.
Just a thought! original.gif
dancin'hamster
QUOTE (Halo_Jones @ Oct 13 2003, 04:54 PM)
Could Imaginary friends be Tulpas? Both are born from the thought of an individual. Imaginary friends are very real to the child and can assume any form the child likes.
Just a thought! original.gif

and a very good point Halo......... not really thought about that myself!

Hammy x x x
Cufflink
That's a fascinating idea, Halo. A lot of children do have imaginary friends, but are they all imaginary? If not, then the tulpa theory's a good one.

My mum tells me that she had an imaginary friend when she was tiny, although she doesn't remember anything about it herself. But my gran once asked her to describe her friend, and all my mum said was that she had a very clean (pale?) face.
Agent_21
QUOTE (Halo_Jones @ Oct 13 2003, 04:54 PM)
Imaginary friends are very real to the child and can assume any form the child likes.

Yes, that is a good point. Kids can get very intense about these things. It can seem for all the world as if there is a 'real' friend which adults can't see (winds up the adults too). Yet children aren't stupid (mostly laugh.gif ), if you talk to them about 'real 'and 'make up'; I've found that anyway.
sarkypi
Hey Hammy,
I guess pheremones could be one explanation... I don't know if that is the one I agree with tho. I will have to check it out.
The way I understood it from my friend is that sometimes u can walk into a room and feel the tension. The power of thought is that strong.
Another example that he gave of walking into thought forms is walking into a group of people that are worshipping...if someone walks into a room of worshippers that might join cause the power of that thought is so strong... so how much control does someone really have. Thought forms cannot really be destoyed cause they are always out there...
I do like the imaginery friend theory.
I never had one, but I did have a little experience as a kiddie that has always stuck with me.
I had a lot of sitters growing up.
One day when I was 3, I remember my dad and my sister leaving for school, and the sitter went to another room. I was sitting all alone in the living room crying, and I heard my sister's voice. She was sitting on the rug and my father on the couch. They asked me why I was crying and I said, because they had left me. Even tho, I was so young I thought it strange they were sitting there. I couldn't understand how they could be sitting there, when I watched them leave. Oh yeah, I remember touching them, and they were very real to me. My sister then asked me to get a pillow from the bedroom. I did not want to cause I thought they would not be there when I got back. I refused. They kept reassuring me, but since I did not understand how they appeared, I figured they could just as easily disappear. I even went so far as to tell them they were not real, and they kept reassuring me and laughing 'cause they thought it was funny. Anyway I got the pillow, cause I did what I was told, and when I came back they were gone, and I screamed. I was really mad cause I thought they "tricked" me. If I hallucinated, it never happened again, and it was a pretty long hallunination.
Cufflink
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S.O.S. save Cuffy's double decker thread.


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Bless you Sarky, you're an angel of mercy. wub.gif
Agent_21
That's a fascinating story, Sarky. A kind of bi-location, don't you think? Thanks for telling it here.

A:21
sarkypi
I never heard of the term bi-location before. I glad you found it interesting. I went back to the bookstore. I tried to make a tulpa today, with the mediatation I suggested. I used it to help me read the tarot today. original.gif The reading was pretty positive. original.gif
Was gonna try and make a real tulpa this weekend... but my guru pushed me towards another magic book instead. No tulpa spells in it tho. Some really good spells that require lots of food potatoes,melons,pineapple.... disgust.gif Can't really afford to be wasting food like that, but it still is a good read. Anyway my astrology chart says, I have the ability to be a "powerful wizard"....the person that did my chart warned me tho, there is no middle ground with me either I could go to the dark side very easily...
Agent_21
QUOTE (sarkypi @ Oct 20 2003, 02:51 AM)
Anyway my astrology chart says, I have the ability to be a "powerful wizard"....the person that did my chart warned me tho, there is no middle ground with me either I could go to the dark side very easily...

That's interesting. Do you know what particularly signifies this?

Scorpio-Capricorn combinations can be 'tough cookies'. Good researchers into darker areas too. whistling2.gif

A:21
sarkypi
QUOTE (Agent_21 @ Oct 20 2003, 08:02 PM)
QUOTE (sarkypi @ Oct 20 2003, 02:51 AM)
Anyway my astrology chart says, I have the ability to be a "powerful wizard"....the person that did my chart warned me tho, there is no middle ground with me either I could go to the dark side very easily...

That's interesting. Do you know what particularly signifies this?

Scorpio-Capricorn combinations can be 'tough cookies'. Good researchers into darker areas too. whistling2.gif

A:21

Afraid, I don't know if I have a correct answer for u. The chart that was done for me was by my Reiki Master. Everything that was told was done verbally, and I don't know how to read the chart by myself sad.gif Most of my charts discussed things in extremes. I love like a stalker, I have an addictive personality. I have a chart of a daredevil.
I do have a chart that was done from someone else..and it states I have a moon in Capricorn. So would that make me a tough cookie? original.gif My reiki master compared my chart to that of a daredevil...pointing out I need to go skydiving, which I did (I made the appt. before she told me).

From the chart my Reiki Master did not do, it states I have Uranus in the eighth house...which means I will experience peculiar psychic states, vivid dreams and something of the astral world. I also have Neptune in the Ninth House...so spiritual potential will manifest in an ability to gain knowledge thro intuitive and mystical channels, and it will lead me to investigate psychic phenomena.

I pursue these things, just not to the level that I can/should. None of my friends are into this stuff to the point they wanna go investigating like this (excuses I know) I'm plannning on talking to my "guru" about starting a little "club", so I can be proactive.

Does that help A21? original.gif
Agent_21
I was just curious about how a 'powerful wizard' would show up in a chart. What you say about Neptune and Uranus makes sense, although Uranus seems to have more aspects to incorporate it into the chart. Thanks for you detailed reply. thumbsup.gif

BTW your proactivity would go along with Moon in Capricorn (a need to make things happen) (not to mention Mars/Aries) and Sun Scorpio (must know about what interests/obsesses them) Scorpios love secrets but hate not knowing.

A:21
sarkypi
QUOTE (Althalus @ Oct 9 2003, 08:22 PM)
Tulpas are by nature malevolent, almost as if they are chaos beings, and you give them phisical form and so control them by encasing them in the one form of your choosing.

By loosing mental control, you give it freedomto act of its own accord, it would be interesting to see if it's form changed with someone who had fullylost control of one.

David-Neel's tulpa began its existence as a plump, benign little monk, similar to Friar Tuck. It was at first entirely subjective, but gradually, with practice, she was able to visualize the tulpa out there, like an imaginary ghost flitting about the real world.

In time the vision grew in clarity and substance until it was indistinguishable from physical reality-a sort of self-induced hallucination. But the day came when the hallucination slipped from her conscious control. She discovered that the monk would appear from time to time when she had not willed it. Furthermore her friendly little figure was slimming down and taking on a distinctly sinister aspect.

da link


also...

"Once the tulpa is endowed with enough vitality to be capable of playing the part of a real being, it tends to free itself from its maker's control....Tibetan magicians also relate cases in which the tulpa is sent to fulfill a mission, but does not come back and pursues its peregrinations as a half-conscious, dangerously mischievous puppet. The same thing, it is said, may happen when the maker of the tulpa dies before having dissolved it."
- Alexandra David-Neel, With Mystics and Magicians in Tibet
sarkypi
I found this on the internet....
It seemed like a pretty positive way to start working on a thought form. grin2.gif

THE PROGRAM

NOTE...The word "input " means, send these directions to the TF as part of it's programming.

Step 1) Determine precisely what the TF is to accomplish. Be very specific.

Step 2) Tell your Spirit Guides what you want to do and ask them to work with
you. Request the wisdom necessary to create in a positive and loving manner.

Step 3) Construct the TF image in your mind. Be creative. With an attitude of love visualize if you can, or imagine the form you wish it to take.

Step 4) Input...The thoughts..."mercy, love and compassion". This ensures that frequencies of a positive nature become an integral part of your creation.

Step 5) Input...It's purpose or mission. Be very specific. Example...Locate and remove all parasites from the entire body.

Step 6) Input...Parameters to work within. Example...Remove all parasites without harming any cell in the body.

Step 7) Input...Give it tools you wish it to use. Example...A container with unlimited capacity to place the parasites in. (Never use tools which cause harm, i.e. firearms, explosives, etc.).

Step 8)Input...You are "invulnerable" with unlimited energy to accomplish your task. You have the power of the Universe to draw upon.

Step 9) Input...You have unlimited capacity. Example...It has unlimited capacity to absorb anything without damage. Unlimited capacity is used so it always has more than
enough of whatever it needs to accomplish any task.

Step 10) Input...You have unlimited maneuverability. With this input it can always avoid anything coming it's way. Example...while removing impurities from the blood stream, it may encounter and avoid white blood cells.

Step 11) Input...Complete your task without harm to anyone or anything.

Step 12) Input...Return to the nothingness from which you came after completion of your mission. (At this time reiterate it's purpose or mission.)
Agent_21
A little more on tulpas.

A tulpa is usually produced by a skilled magician or yogi, although they are said in some cases to arise from the collective imagination of superstitious villagers.

A tulpa, the Tibetans say, may sometimes be so vigorous that it may produce its own secondary emenation called a yang-tul, and this may, in turn, form an emanation of the third degree, a nying-tul.

Adepts able to produce such manifestations are rare and are usually found among the Buddhist saints. Some are able to produce ten varieties including some that appear in the dreams of whomever they intend to help.
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