Are ghosts capable of killing a person? You decide.

I voted no. I don't think a ghost can kill people. Some might argue that a poltergeist could injure a person by throwing something but then that would have to mean that poltergeist activity was definitely a ghost and not caused by any other means.

No.

Would you care to expand, I'm curious as to your reasoning behind your answer.

Ok coldethyl, I just don't believe that any spirit/ghost has that kind of power over or towards a embodied spirit/person. A spirit can not take over another spirit so I don't believe in the these kind of hardcore possession claims either where maybe the person is driven to death or to kill by a spirit.

As for external influences of a spirit in moving objects say or like a poltergiest ( which I do not see as spirit type energy) like you said it is always possible by freak timing that a moved object could hit someone in the wrong place and cause them to fall to there death. But I don't think spirits have enough power to forcefuly comit a murder on someone like picking a knife up and stabbing or pointing a gun and pulling the trigger, or to strangle.

I have seen mediums where they have been 'trance channeling' a spirit which i suppose on the outside can appear to be like temporily possession. This is something which perhaps hasn't really been touched on much around here. But it's Where the person has allowed a spirit to come in very close in order to comunicate through them. The medium will then tune into charateristics of that spirit in personality, sometimes with physical characterists and conditions such as a back problem or something and when conditions are laid on yes the channeler will feel the pain and sensations in his/her own body of that. Sometimes voice to and will speak as it were for the spirit or project for the spirit.

But even under these extreme circumstances the spirit has very little power is not able to fully influence the person who is channeling for them. It is also something that doesn't last for very long, your talking about a matter of mins before the energy of the spirit and channeler is exhausted, it just can't be maintained for long at all. The channeler is always fully aware of what is going on and can stop it any time.

I must also add that mediums that channel in this way are fully trained and highly skilled at what they are doing and they know exactly how to let it happen and how to stop it. It is NOT something that can happen to anyone unless they know how to induce it. So please don't anyone go worrying about this happening unwilling to them, It won't. When a medium is channeling in this way it is the spirits energy that is allowed to 'takeover' the mediums 'energyfield' for a short time. The spirit energy can not ever get in or take over the body or brain. The tuning in is all happening in a higher state of conciounus/trance. So really do not worry about this.

On a lesser note in more ordinary circumstances when aware of a spirit energy present, it can happen sometimes esp with a strong spirit or one that is coming in close that you feel there conditions. I've experienced that myself a few times where I have lost the hearing in a ear because the spirit is projecting the fact they were deaf. Or feeling a tight chest where they showing you they had a heart attack, or having sore stiff legs, When this happens I just ask them to step back a bit and take the condition off, and they will. Again this is something that can't just happen out the hat, so again don't worry about it. But i mention it purely because it would be wrong to say that spirits can't at all project feelings, sensations or conditions onto us BUT they can't kill us or possess us. And it happens on a higher sense/level that is compleltey harmless to us and our health/bodies.

It is Not on the same sense/level in our physical existance where in order to feel pain, have a condition or be injured by something someone it involves taking an impact to a limb or catching a virus. Spirits can not hurt us in this way/level/sense....It is all very weird.

I'm not voting since I have no idea whether they kill or not (if they exist).

Very interesting. I knew you'd have an interesting view on this!

I voted No because I've never heard of a ghost/spirit actually killing someone (except the Bell Witch story, which I doubt actually happened)

There are some poltergeists' that have enough power to do such a thing as trying to kill a person. Like in the video, coldethy, http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5...769612&q=ghosts in one part of the video, a poltergeist tried to kill an investigator.

I voted no, I don't think that any ghost is able to kill someone. No matter how angry they are when the pass away.

Another no voter...

I voted no...I don't think the typical ghost are capable of "killing" people. The naked eye hardly comes across the debatable phenomenon in their lifetime to begin with. I do recognize that some cultures believe that certain types of ghosts can kill people and their belief is respected and should be. I think that a more complex type of paranormal phenomenon like poltergeists or demons, according to people's experiences and past documentations of their account, are able to injure a person or people but I've never heard of such extremities to the case of death. The only way it could even be considered a possibility for poltergeist or demon to have a chance to commit an act is if a person sets themself up for it like standing on the edge of a cliff and having been pushed off by one or if they throw something at the person to cause them to fall off but even that to me would be like assisting the cause . That scenario, to me, would be a somewhat causable but highly unlikely. Other than that I don't think they are capable of killing other people in general .

I would've chosen maybe but that's not an option so I chose yes.
because it's possible.I mean I believe a ghost has a conscious, so it has
the ability to decide. It can do Tk so it has the ability to move a knife or
any other mortal object that can kill.It can either be willing to kill the person or have
done it by mistake.



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Thats a good observation...muy bueno.

I meant to say good thought not observation....

I voted yes becasue I like to belive tehy can, otherwise what point hunting/looking for them if all they are are dead souls?

My opinion anyway

I voted no. I don't believe that a spirit has enough energy over the physical
world to accually kill a person. I think the people who do believe that ghosts
can kill a person have seen too many movies or read too many comic books.

There should be a uncertain section, I voted yes, I think it’s a possibility.

Yeah but that is if you believe that the poltergeist phenomenon is due to ghosts. Some people believe that poltergeist activity is attributed to telekinetic ability.

Some people, but not the guy in the video that got assaulted by a mad poltergeist.

I don't buy that though. It just seems staged to me.

How could it be staged when right after he went in, you hear him scream in pain, and before that, if you turn your volume all the way up, it sounds like he's choking.

Because I think he's faking it. Pure and simple. That's just my opinion though!

Well, why didn't you say that it was your opinion? Now that I know it's your opinion, I wo't argue with you.

Well everything I write is my opinion. How could it not be? I't's me writing it.

Everything anyone writes is from own opinion, except for RC who writes nothing but the absolute truth!!

...showing...much...restraint....

Hey she blogged about me! Did you see? But there was a disclaimer...

Look how well I'm staying on topic:

Why would a ghost want to kill anyone anyway?

I'm not sure. But, I think that ghost are more or less aparitions, visual entities. The spirits that move things through TK I think are more along the lines of demons or trapped souls, not mere ghosts. I dont think regular ghosts have the ability to kill. But evil spirits do. I dont think you can generalize by just saying ghosts.

I have that video running, but where abouts is this particular poltergiest attack bit? coz i see it is a 40 min long video.

Yeh coldethyl I saw that thread, was adding a reply to it just as it was locked, so my post never made it on, but I was

Yeah it got locked...oops...that's okay tho. More people will read it...

Many statements are not statements of opinion. For example, if I write that George W. Bush is President of the United States, that is not a statement of opinion. The fact that someone might disagree and that one or both of us might be wrong does not make it an opinion.

Anyway, I suppose if ghosts can do anything in our world, then I have no reason to suppose they couldn't kill a person. There's a very small difference between throwing a vase across the room and throwing a vase into someone's head. I suppose it's possible that living persons are so good at staying alive, and ghosts are so inept at killing them, that actual ghost murders happen rarely or never, like fatal koala bear attacks. Then again, "ghosts" are often reported to push people down flights of stairs, which could be fatal. And if they can push a person down the stairs, why couldn't they push someone off a cliff or a building?

So I don't know, but for some reason I find the subject amusing.

Still running that video, not come across the poltergiest attack yet, but 34 mins into the bit about the orbs is pretty good footage. If ball lightening can be outruled with the large orb caught on the guys security camera then that looks like pretty geniuan spirit energy to me.

Yes if I say fact then it is more than my opinion. But if I state my opinion, it's just that, my opinion.

Everyone wants to argue with me today!

Fine, fine.

However it is my opinion that the footage of that 'noose' hanging is staged. That guy is faking it and that little string on a nail never could have hanged him...in my opinion....

*comforts Coldethyl*

I believe your right in the footage with the noose. Its the calm, steady shot of him being supposedly attacked whilst his crew mate turns into a tourist instead of helping his mate out. All too sus.

The dust floating around seemingly with a mind of it's own was quite cool and the fat orb was also well caught.

I would totally do the same thing if we were on a ghost hunt and you got attacked by a strangler ghost.

What?

your priorities are unfathomable

Hmm? What what? Oh, and he didn't turn into a tourst, Deadrobot. He took the pictre in hopes of getting something the moment that his friend was assaulted by a mad poltergeist. He didn't know that his friend was being strangled until after the flash of light from his camera.

The following comments I am making is just my Opinion, but its based on my more than 20-years of dealing with.

Some of the Spirits I am in communication with are former friends and Relatives who have died and who want to educate me about the Spirit World they found when they went there.

It is their opinion and now my Opinion that sometimes when people go to the Spirit World due to the way they died, sometimes they do not adjust to their deaths quickly and sometimes want to vent hostility and seek vengance against a people and a World whom they blame for their sometimes violent deaths.

This of course is not true with Spirits who die a peaceful death.

This has nothing to do with Heaven or Hell this has only to do with the Personalities of some and how they react to their death and how they feel when they look back on Planet Earth.

Therefore its my opinion that Ghosts, Spirits or whatever you want to call them cannot pick up a gun or knife and kill a Human but they can try to put thoughts into the minds of people on Earth and try to take control of their thinking and try to use them as tools to carry out vengance against others.

Having said that I believe if you stay strong and know the real truth you will know that no matter what a Spirit suggests you do you don't have to listen to any of it, and you have the free will to tell them so.

Again I will say this is my opinion and I have absolutely no proof to offer that this is true but this is what I believe after the things I have discussed with those in the Spirit World who are telling me these things and who at times have asked me to carry out some of these things for them.

I have said no and I have also told them they are not my control at all but only communicators and I am the control here on Earth because I am the one who operates the Pen and or the Computer, or typewriter.

Having said that due to people saying I am taking over discussions and making them my own I have decided that I will now write only in my aol journal and also in a Blog on UM.

At this time I do not have the time to answer PM's so if someone has something to comment on my Posts feel free to comment and or ask questions in my aol Journal or UM Blog which I will be writing in on occassion as I deal with my everyday life, which includes dealing with four Violent, Mean, Possessing Spirits whom few believe in.

When they walked the Earth they were my mother, father and aunt and Dr. Petas who was a Psychiatrist in the Toledo, Area and he said no one would believe me when I wrote about what he and my realtives are doing to me because when he walked the Earth he wouldn't have believed someone was talking to the after Life, so I guess those who haven't believed my story are now controlled by the four Evil Spirits inside my body who said no one would ever believe me and I guess they were right.

Rosemary, any idea why a ghost or spirit would be unable to push someone down some stairs or off a building, thus killing him?

There's the terrifying Ghost of Berkeley Square in London.

It was known to be so terrifying that it literally scared people to death. The next morning, the body of a victim would be found with is eyes wide open and his face contorted in a look of sheer terror.

A true story as told by Tom Slemen (read it if you dare!)

Tom Slemen's Haunted World


The Thing in Berkeley Square
by Tom Slemen


50 Berkeley Square, London - home of a murderous "Thing".

Long before Mayfair's Berkeley Square was synonymous with nightingales (thanks to Eric Maschwitz's song), the place was invariably associated with a rather nasty ghost that was alleged to inhabit number 50, a four-storey townhouse that dated back to the 1740s. It was once the London home of Prime minister George Canning (1770-1827), but it seems very unlikely that the well-documented supernatural goings-on at number 50 are anything to do with his spirit, as Canning died at Chiswick. No one seems to know just what haunted number 50, because few who encountered it lived to tell the tale, and those who did survive were always left insane by the supernatural confrontation.
All we can do is piece together the fragments of anecdotes and accounts that concern the Berkeley Square entity.

In 1840, the 20-year-old dandy and notorious rake Sir Robert Warboys heard the eerie rumours about the Berkeley Square Thing in a Holborn tavern one night, and laughingly dismissed the tales as 'unadulterated poppycock'.

Sir Robert's friends disagreed with him, and dared him to spend a night in the haunted second-floor room in Berkeley Square.

Warboys raised his flagon of ale in the air and announced: 'I wholeheartedly accept your preposterous harebrained challenge!'

That same night, Sir Robert visited the haunted premises to arrange an all-night vigil with the landlord. The landlord tried to talk Sir Robert out of the dare, but the young man refused to listen, and demanded to be put up for the night in the haunted room. The landlord finally gave in to Sir Robert's demands, but stipulated two conditions; if the young man saw anything 'unearthly' he was to pull a cord that would ring a bell in the landlord's room below. Secondly, Sir Robert would have to be armed with a pistol throughout the vigil. The young libertine thought the conditions were absurd, but agreed to them just to get the landlord out of his hair.

The landlord handed Warboys a pistol and left as a clock in the room chimed the hour of midnight. Sir Robert sat at a table in the candlelit room and waited for the 'Thing' to put in an appearance.

Forty-five minutes after midnight, the landlord was startled out of his sleep by the violent jangling of the bell. A single gunshot in the room above echoed through the house. The landlord raced upstairs and found Sir Robert sitting on the floor in the corner of the room with a smoking pistol in his hand. The young man had evidently died from traumatic shock, for his eyes were bulged, and his lips were curled from his clenched teeth. The landlord followed the line of sight from the dead man's terrible gaze and traced it to a single bullet hole in the opposite wall. He quickly deduced that Warboys had fired at the 'Thing', to no avail.

Three years after Warboys' death, Edward Blunden and Robert Martin, two sailors from Portsmouth, wandered into Berkeley Square in a drunken state and noticed the 'To Let' sign at number 50. They had squandered most of their wages on drink and couldn't afford lodgings, so they broke into number 50. Finding the lower floors too damp, the sailors staggered upstairs and finally settled down on the floor of the infamous room.

It proved to be a serious mistake. Blunden told his friend he felt nervous in the room, and felt a 'presence', but Martin told his shipmate he'd been at sea too long, and was soon snoring.

A little over an hour later, the door of the room burst open, and the enormous shadowy figure of a man floated towards the sailors. Martin woke up and found himself unable to move. He was paralysed with fear. Blunden tried to get to his feet, but the entity seized him by the throat with its cold, misty-looking hands and started to choke him.

Martin suddenly gained enough courage to enable him to spring to his feet. He tried to confront the apparition, but was so horrified by its deformed face and body, he found himself fleeing from the house. He encountered a policeman in the square outside and told him of the vapoury assailant that was throttling his friend. The bemused policeman followed the distressed sailor into number 50 and when the two men entered the room up on the second floor, there was no sign of Blunden. They searched the entire house, and found the missing sailor's body in the basement. His neck had been broken and his face was contorted in a terror-stricken grimace.

Documentary evidence for the aforementioned incidents is very scant, but the eminent psychical researcher Harry Price unearthed a great deal of data on the Berkeley Square bogeyman while investigating the case in the 1920s. Price scoured periodicals and newspapers from the mid 18th century onwards for a reference to the ghost of Berkeley Square, and discovered that in the 1790s, a gang of counterfeiters and coin-clippers had used number 50 as their headquarters. Price speculated that the criminals had invented the ghost to disguise the true nature of the bumps in the night: the printing presses churning out bank notes. But the theory could not explain how the ghost was heard decades after the counterfeit gang had been detected and thrown into prison. Price discovered more intriguing references to the ghost. In 1840, several neighbours of number 50 Berkeley Square heard a medley of strange sounds emanating from the haunted house; bumps on the stairs, dragging noises as if heavy objects were being moved around, jangling of signal bells below the stairs, and the tramping of footsteps. Price read that one of the braver neighbours who had grown weary of the noisy spectre obtained a key and dashed into the house one night during the creepy cacophony. There was no one in the house. Down in the kitchen, the signal bells were still bouncing on their curled springs.

Price found another thought-provoking account of the ghost in Notes and Queries, a magazine published during the 1870s. An article in the publication by the writer W. E. Howlett stated: The mystery of Berkeley Square still remains a mystery. The story of the haunted house in Mayfair can be recapitulated in a few words; the house contains at least one room of which the atmosphere is supernaturally fatal to body and mind. A girl saw, heard and felt such horror in it that she went mad, and never recovered sanity enough to tell how or why.

A gentleman, a disbeliever in ghosts, dared to sleep in number 50 and was found a corpse in the middle of the floor after frantically ringing for help in vain. Rumour suggests other cases of the same kind, all ending in death, madness, or both as a result of sleeping, or trying to sleep in that room. The very party walls of the house, when touched, are found saturated with electric horror. It is uninhabited save by an elderly man and his wife who act as caretakers; but even these have no access to the room. This is kept locked, the key being in the hands of a mysterious and seemingly nameless person who comes to the house once every six months, locks up the elderly couple in the basement, and then unlocks the room and occupies himself in it for hours.

Price continued to research the history of number 50, and learned that the house had been empty for remarkably long periods, yet the address was one of the most desirable ones in London, so why had the house been left vacant for so long? Had the rumours scared off prospective occupants, or had the ghost itself frightened them away? Price could not answer this question, nor could he draw any firm conclusions to the whole case. His final surmise was that a particularly nasty poltergeist had been active at number 50 in the 1840s, but doubted that the 'thing' was still at large.

But there have been many ghostly encounters at number 50 in recent times. In January 1937, Mrs Mary Balfour, an octogenarian lady of a stately Scottish family, moved into a flat in Charles Street, which lies adjacent to Berkeley Square. One night Mrs Balfour's maid summoned her to come to the kitchen situated at the rear of the flat. The maid was staring intently through the window at the rear of a house diagonally opposite. It was the rear of Berkeley Square. The maid drew Mrs Balfour's attention to one of the rear windows of number 50, where a man stood dressed in a silver-coloured coat and breeches. He wore a periwig and had a drawn, morose ashen face. The two women thought he had been to some New Year fancy dress party, because his clothes were centuries out of date. The man moved away from the window, and Mrs Balfour and her maid were later shocked to learn from a doctor that they had sighted one of the ghosts of number 50 Berkeley Square. The doctor told them that number 50 was currently unoccupied, but workmen in the building two months back had seen the phantom of a little girl in a kilt on the stairs.

Stories of the haunted house continue to circulate today in Mayfair. Late at night, faces are said to peep out from the upper windows of number 50, which is now occupied by a firm of antiquarian book sellers. Will the 'thing' ever make a comeback? Only time will tell.



http://www.geocities.com/tom_slemen/berkeley.html?200626


50 Berkeley Square is rumoured to be built on top of a plague pit, where some of the victims of the Great Plague of 1665 were buried.

I am making a comment on this one because my past paranormal experiences in 40 years was telling me that when a doctor
diagnosed a patient with heart ailments then the doctor will advised them to be very careful with the spirits of the afterlife.
Because i am in constant communication with the spirit world and they are telling me that they can kill people specially the ones
with a very weak heart. I am just sharing this stories of mine so if you people don't believe this, it's all up to you but don't
blame me when it happens. And one more thing people, everyone is entitled to their own opinion and if you don't get this post, i'll
answer you back and tell you who you are.

Good. A disclaimer.



Wow. Where have I heard this before??? Oh, yeah....



So did you vote yes or no?



I think I am lightheaded with disbelief!!



So you are making a UM blog like I suggested? I am definately lightheaded with disbelief.....



Yes well deciding what to eat and wear are very time consuming. Oh and writing down step by step instructions on how to cook every single thing you eat. I can see how that would keep a person busy.



Yeah sure believe whatever. I'm controlled by 4 evil spirits. I however call them vodka, rum, scotch, and Dr. Pepper. No, I'm just kidding. I don't drink soda. No one ever had much of an issue with believing you, just you repeating and derailing. But for the record, I don't believe you. I believe YOU believe it though for what that's worth.
Disclaimer: I am writing this of my own free will and all by myself with no one bouncing around my brain or offering me coupons.



I don't quite understand this part here at the end....

LMAO me either

Another killer ghost.

Ghost at the Cavern Club by Tom Slemen

The following story is a particularly strange one. It concerns three men who used to visit the Cavern in Mathew Street, way back in the days before Merseybeat when the Cavern was a jazz club. The story is told all over Liverpool and has been in circulation since the early 1960s at least, but no one knows whether there's a grain of truth behind the tale or if it is just a so-called 'urban myth'. Strangely enough, in every version of the story, the names of the characters are always the same. Furthermore, regarding the tale's reference to a ghost in the Cavern Club; according to an article in the Liverpool Echo in the late 1950s, the manager of the Cavern claimed that there was a ghost that haunted the ladies toilets in the club...



Around 1957, a man named Alan Sytner opened the Cavern Club in Liverpool to provide a venue for the then thriving jazz scene. As most people the world over know, the Cavern was basically just a collection of arched warehouse cellars in the heart of downtown Liverpool where the Beatles first came to prominence.

In the late 1950s, three men went to the club one evening with their girlfriends, and had a great time listening to the jazz bands well into the early hours. The men were Johnny, Tony and Peter, and at 4 a.m., when most of the clubgoers had gone home, the three men and their girls sat at a table, smoking and chatting away. The conversation turned from sport to politics then to religion, and then to the meaning of life, and they finally ended up arguing about the occult. At this point, one of the men's girlfriends, a girl named Rita, said that one of the toilets in the Cavern were said to be haunted, but Peter, who was a hard-boiled sceptic, said the ghost story was probably just a publicity gimmick invented by the Cavern's owner, Alan Sytner. But one of the management overheard Peter's remark, and said there was a ghost of a man in black that had been seen in the club by the one of the bouncers quite recently.

At this point, Johnny suggested that everyone present should gather round the table and join hands to summon the ghost up, and he claimed that he knew the actual words to evoke a spirit. The girlfriends thought it would be exciting and they urged their boyfriends and the bouncers to join in. Everyone thought it was a joke, except a young man named Tony, who was not exactly religious, but said the occult should not be regarded in such a jokey manner, and he sat at another table and lit up a cigarette. He watched the proceedings and seemed very nervous.

Everyone but Tony gathered about the table, and Johnny said, "Right, turn the lights off. Get a candle or something."

A candle couldn't be found, but someone brought a small electric torch to the circle, and switched it on, then placed it in the centre of the table. Then the lights were switched off, and all the people round the table joined hands.

There was a scream. One of the bouncers had put his hand up one of the girl's dresses for a laugh. Johnny said, "Stop messing about. We need absolute silence."

There were a few sniggers, then a strange silence descended into the cellars. About a minute later, Johnny said, "O Lord of darkness, I invite you into the Cavern. Give us a sign so we may believe."

One of the girls said, "And get a move on cos I wanna go to the toilet."

Then a shadow walked across the darkened room. It was a tall man. He wore a black suit and a black polo-neck sweater, which was hardly out-of-vogue in those times. His black fringe was combed back into the style of the so-called 'DA cut' popularised by the film star Tony Curtis. All the girls looked at him, but none of them were scared. They thought the stranger was just a clubgoer who had been part of the stay-behind. All the girls later said that the man was very attractive and had magnetic dark eyes.

Tony, who was seated at the other table on his own, thought the man was evil from the moment he set eyes upon him, and he noticed that the stranger seemed to come from the direction of the toilets.

"I am Lucifer." said the man, in a rich deep voice. He then smirked and studied the shocked expressions of the people at the table.

"Stop messing about, " said Johnny, "we're trying to hold a seance here."

"You idiot," said the stranger, "I am Lucifer. You didn't expect me to have horns did you?"

"Oh, you're the Devil like?" said one of the bouncers in a cocky tone. he was trying to impress one of the girls.

The stranger nodded, and said, "I haven't got hoofed feet either."

"Johnny I'm scared. Turn the lights on." said Rita, and started to shake. She was about to turn hysterical.

"Relax dear, " said the stranger, "I'm not as bad as I'm painted."

The sceptical one, Peter said, "There's no such thing as the Devil."

"If you believe in God you must believe in me too." said the man in black, then he said, "Unless you are an atheist of course."

"Yes I am, actually." said Peter, in a matter-of-fact way.

"Then if you don't believe in me can I have your soul?" said the stranger.

Peter laughed nervously, "But I don't believe - "

THEN GIVE ME YOUR SOUL, THEN!", shouted the stranger.

"Give him your soul mate!" joked the bouncer, and he said, "Soulmate gerrit?" But no one was laughing. The atmosphere was tense with a mounting sense of terror.

"Okay, take it then." said Peter, and he grinned, but seemed to be very uneasy.

"No! Don't Peter! Don't!" shouted Tony from the other table, and he stood up but was afraid to come over.

"Thankyou." said the stranger, and he reached out in the direction of Peter with his hand and seemed to clutch at something in the air.

Then the torch started to fade. Within seconds it was just a dim orange filament, then the Cavern was in complete blackness.

"That was one amatuerish set-up." said one of the bouncers, almost falling over the table in the dark. He went to switch on the lights, but they didn't go on. "Oh, don't tell me the fuses have gone again." said the bouncer groping in the darkness.

During this time, a voice whispered in Tony's ear, "I'll be back for you one day, and your god won't be able to save you."

Tony said, "In the name of our saviour Jesus Christ I tell you to leave."

Then the lights suddenly went on, and the rest of the people rose from the table. But Peter didn't. He slumped forwards, hitting his face on the table-top. He seemed drunk, but when his mates took him home to his flat in Smithdown Lane, Peter didn't seem to be breathing. He was taken by a taxi to the Royal Hospital in Pembroke Place - and was certified dead on arrival. The coroner who performed the post-mortem examination later said that Peter - who was 27 - had the body of an 18-year-old, and seemed to have been in perfect health. A verdict of death by natural causes was recorded, but all the people who attended the frightening seance believed that Peter had died because he had foolishly given permission to the Devil to wrench the soul from his body.

slemen.tk

Good story. Here is my thoughts.



Anyone that asks for that is asking for trouble. So why did Johnny ask specifically for a Lord of Darkness? Why not just ask for the so called entity that was believed to haunt the club.

Could it have been a setup with intention to comit murder by Johnny? These characters sound a little gangster like to me and Peter was perfectly ok untill the bouncers started to goad him to 'give his soul' and lights went out.

Just my thoughts, but it's always hard to know what elements have been lost or exagerated in local ledgend type ghost story over the years.




It also possible that Peter died from shock from the situation.



If they had been drinking/taking drugs, who really knows? all night in the Jazz club before doing this seance then maybe Peter deep down really was fearing the situation he was being goaded into. Maybe this psychologically affected him at the moment when he had given permission for his soul to be taken and felt some sort of physical side effect and went into sheer panick at the thought that his soul really was being taken. who knows..

Similar type deaths have been blamed by the power of suggestion via hypnosis, I will try and find the links to these claims. One was about a young woman who had a phobia of lighting and eletricity as she had suffered a eletric shock when she young and survived it. She was out at a club and there was stage hypnosis show going on, which she volunteered for. Unknown to the hypnotist that she had this phobia. He put her under and started to do his party tricks for the audeinace. He told the girl that the chair she was sitting on would project her high up into the air as if it had 50,000 whatever volts going through it and that was the key word that triggered the girls phobia. Because she was under she didn't have full control of her mind as the hypnotist was the only one that could stop it but he was unware of the trigger word for her. They reckoned she suffered severe and deep psychological damage because of being under and put in the situation where she was believed to be sitting on a chair that would project her like a voltage and that making her mind/ body believe she was reliving the time she really did suffer an eletrical shock . Anyway she died a few hrs later from a heart attack, she was only in her 20's.

Yeah I'm always calling on the 'Lord of Darkness' when I'm in extremely scary situations!!



That's just asking for trouble!!

In Ghosts on the Range: Eerie True Tales of Wyoming, Debra Munn recounts the experience of a family that encountered a very nasty shadow-thing. In front of the whole family and a guest, the story goes, it picked up one of the sons and hurled him across the back porch and into the house, through a closed door. That must have hurt. The mother was furious and chased the thing into the garage, where it turned on her and attacked, wrapping its armlike tendrils around her. She said it felt cold, and she felt as if the life were going out of her. I think it was her friend who pulled her away... anyway, they spent the night praying, and the thing never came back.

Outlandish story. I'd say it sounds made up, but who would make that up and expect anyone to believe it? Anyway, if it's true, then there exists some sort of discorporate ugly that can beat the crap out of a person.

Bad try...thought i could mimic someones posting style. I'm worse than her.

Well... From my experience, which is somewhat limited on a direct-ghostly-contact level. I would say ghosts cannot harm the living. At least directly. As a ghost, as a spirit is incorporeal, it does not actually exist. Residue one may say. At least that is how I see a true ghost. I also would contend with the idea that demonic forces can kill a man, directly. However at least from a Jewish/Christian view of demons, they are the same race as angels. Who can directly kill. Still in my research into the subject I can find no refference to a demon directly causing death.
This is of course assuming that a physical interaction with a spirit-force is usually demonic. However there are refferences to japanese ghosts who can kill, however these are usually considered more of a demonic force than a true ghost, despite the belief that they are the souls of the dead.
Although there is also Will 'o' Wisps, Jack 'o' Lanterns, etc. Which are supposed to be ghosts.. And they are quite murderous.. however they do not directly cause death, they guide people to their deaths.. So still I think the view that ghosts cannot kill is correct, however it is possible they can indirectly kill. (For instance someone suffers a heart-attack upon witnessing the apparition) Although I am of the camp that believes true ghosts are nothing more than reflections of the past, having no soul, and no actual existence. Anything else is an entirely different phenomena, however I may be wrong.