That's really the bottom line, isn't it.

This person will "believe" no one who actually has knowledge, and will do no research to confirm or deny any information presented him. He will simply hold to his opinion...uninformed as it may be.

That's OK, of course, but it does nothing for the content of a thread which should, in principal, inspire some discussion, and of course some learning. Apollo, space flight, and all the associated disciplines are not about "belief". They are about experience and knowledge.

Belief is conjecture. We did not accomplish Apollo based upon conjecture, nor does any one learn anything on that basis.

This person states that he prefers to believe rather than to know. He's entitled to that. It's sad, of course, but he's entitled to it.

If he is not willing to learn, and prefers only to believe fallacious information, then the only reason he's still here is in order to argue (despite the fact he's already lost that arguement), and to feed his ego in seeing himself in print...saying the same uneducated things over and over again in the face of overwhelming information to the contrary.

It's a waste of everyone's time.

the footage that was aired did not include still photos and even the footage has been pointed out with discrepencies even in australia by common folk



does Dr. David Williams of the National Space Science Center at NASA's Goddard Space Center in Maryland ring a bell?



at this point im not suprised that you still dont have a clue



that is your opinion which is not shared unanimously and imo they were and still are deceptively hiding the truth.



is that so? then why arent your so called independant sources putting the documentation so as to get to the point instead of giving a runaround like they are presenting it currently.



first you state they are readily available and now you excuse them for their opinionated statements that dont even convey a straight forward answer to the questions and skeptism being proposed. Its as if they are squirming like you are doing now.

I thought we already covered this MID, boggle is a troll, he is only here to "stir it up" (his own words).

The moderators on this forum are not doing their job, if you ask me. I always thought it was a place to change ideas and or learn/teach. I guess I was wrong.

just because someone is a skeptic and this is taking into consideration of any subject matter doesnt mean that person equates to being a troll. The only thing you have ever put into this thread is name calling, out of all the posts throughout this thread there is not one piece of info you have provided. None, so who is being the troll? you. In fact out of 2 threads addressing this subject you have not even provided anything but name calling--FACT.

True, but skeptics do not dismiss scientific facts and direct evidence. You asked for the educated opinion of engineers and rocket scientists awhile back, I posted a link to Dr. Jay Windley's website...you then simply dismissed him as well! No amount of factual information or scientific evidence ever seems to be sufficient for you.

No, your behavior has not been skeptical, I would characterize it as being dismissive and not based upon the scientific evidence...at all. I have the distinct impression that you are dismissing a great deal of scientific facts and evidence simply to be difficult? I could be wrong, but I really don't think so.

Yes, haz. We did.
I guess he didn't read my reference to his words above...

And, based upon the answers he provided in post 352 above, which are completely...well...you know, I'm afraid he just hasn't got the message.

He will, as Lilly said, remain--not skeptical, but rather, obstinately dismissive. He refuses to read, and get the point, preferring to go off on irrelevant tangents. I've defined "opinion" for him and "belief". He ignores it. He actually came out and said that the idea of Apollo being the most documented scientific and technical accomplishment in human history is my opinion!

Of course, he ignores the reality that it is a fact, not an opinion.

Good Lord.

I know some people are laughing at this...

I know I am. IGNORANCE IS TRULY BLISS.

Once again...

If he is not willing to learn, and prefers only to believe fallacious information, then the only reason he's still here is in order to argue (despite the fact he's already lost that arguement), and to feed his ego in seeing himself in print...saying the same uneducated things over and over again in the face of overwhelming information to the contrary.

It's a waste of everyone's time.





Why are you here?
If all you will do is obstinately ignore the facts, refuse to research, and argue from a position of nothing at all, going off on irrelevancies as you do?

You are destroying the thread's potential, as Hazzard, and myself have indicated repeatedly...


And, as I said,




Thus, you have no purpose continuing. There is no point in your being in this thread. You've been adamant about your "opinion".

Why not take it, and leave. We all understand it.
It's fallacious, but you will not alter it, or even attempt to discuss it.

We say, "The Sun is a star". You say, "No it's not". We show you the incontrivertible evidence. You say, "No, it's not." And on, and on...

That...is trolling.

Attempting to convince people that actually have experience in these areas is folly...but of course, you know that.

To paraphrase Jay over at BAUT, it must be wonderful to live a life completely unencumbered by reality...

I have on more than one occation told people here to take their "theories" over to BAUT,were they can get real scientific answers, they never do, and I always wonder why.

Because it would be the responsible thing to do and one thing that these people won't do is take responsibility for their own "theories."

I still am amused that people think the moon landing was a successful hoax all these years, made possible by thousands of people, when former president Clinton couldn't even keep his affair secret during his presidency.

Not to mention the fact that our little friend insists that the russians would be "forced" to only see what NASA broadcast. Does the KGB mean anything to you? The VAST infiltrative intelligence networks that the soviets had in place over here, and vice-versa for us?

This is asinine. We show someone blue and they say it's red. It's self-brainwashing...ignoring genuine facts because they dont fit in with one's selective, constructed reality.

First of all if you have payed even alittle attention to any of the documentaries you would have already seen what the kgb thought of the still photos which came AFTER the "live" feed and they didnt immediately start sharing the photos on the same day of the airing, although they stated that is was live, it wasnt. Why would the solviets whistleblow on the US when the US can claim the same with the Solviets? that gives another reason why the Solviets didnt challenge it but you wouldnt know this if you didnt at least watch the evidence. If the USSR (then) were to challenge the validity of the US claims then the same would have been done with at least one of their flights according to a discrepency shown with one of their supposed flights. It then becomes apparent how shallow your reasonings are for the "impossiblity" for a motive for that is the bottom line you are all looking for.

Are you talking about the mockumentary that is such an obvious joke that also has the makers admitting it was a joke at the end? Are you still falling for that one? Gullible much?

nope im referring to the documentary that is such obvious evidence that you are the joke and nobody at the end admits anything but truth. Are you aware of the 3 monkeys?

Sabrina Duncan, Jill Munroe, and Kelly Garrett?

Charlie's Angels is way off, some of these monkeys can be found on this thread. The one in the mid-dle is more noticeable than the others.

Orangutan, bonobo, and baboon?

Someone please bann this so obvious troll.

MID and alot of the other posters has interesting facts to share with the rest of us,I learn something new every day. But this boggle kid is just a pain in the a**.

Once again you put out another uninformative post, why dont you leave if you cant handle this thread?

Why don't you leave if you can't offer something constructive? So far you have fallen for an obvious joke mockumentary, completely dismissed the reams of evidence thrown your way and responded with ad hominems and personal attacks. All signs of a common troll.

lol, just because you regard documentaries with your own verbage doesnt make it so. Also i have given more information other than just stemming from documentaries but you wouldnt know anything about that.

This topic appears to have degenerated into nothing but bickering and namecalling.
I think it's about time this discussion came to a close.