please can anyone of you told me that does Palestine (or Israely) area belog originaly to british or french people??

Perhaps ancient palestine???

Caananites, I think.

Roman times
As a result of the First Jewish-Roman War (66–73), Titus sacked Jerusalem and destroyed the Second Temple, leaving only the Western Wall. In 135, following the fall of a Jewish revolt led by Bar Kokhba in 132–135, the Roman emperor Hadrian expelled most Jews from Judea, leaving large Jewish populations in Samaria and the Galilee. He also changed the name of the Roman province of Judea (Israel) to Syria Palaestina named after the Philistines as an insult to the now conquered Jews. In what was considered a form of psychological warfare, the Romans also tried to change the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina, but that had less staying power. Over time the name Syria Palaestina was shortened to Palaestina, which by then had become an administrative political unit within the Roman Empire.

LINK-> Palestine

I ask that the moderator closes this dialogue

geez why? I was asking a very similar question a few weeks ago... well I was asking if they were the Philistines but still...

If it's because of grammer I don't think english is there first language, so whats the harm?

If it's the topic, it is a valid topic IMO.

Can I ask why you want this closed?

if you ask me, none above. Palestina belongs to the palestinians.

OK, let me hazard a guess at what the OP is asking: Did the British and French ever control the area is now Israel and Palestine?
Yes. For a time during the Crusades and, if I remember right, after WWII, when the British gave Israel back their ancient land, which they had taken from the Canaanites millenia before.

Maybe this Wiki article will help....

Definitions of Palestine and Palestinian
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The term Palestine and the related term Palestinian have several overlapping (and occasionally contradictory) definitions.


Palestine


Prehistoric times

The term Palestine is derived from the name of the Philistines, a people of uncertain origins, possibly Aegean, who, in the 12th century BCE, settled along the southern Mediterranean coastal plain of what is now Israel and the Gaza Strip and disappeared several centuries later. After crushing Bar Kokhba's revolt (132-135), the Romans Latinized the hitherto seldom-used Greek name Palaestina (Palaist?nh) and applied it to the entire region that had formerly included Iudaea Province (which combined Judea, Samaria, and Idumea). The Arabic toponym Filastin (??????) is derived from this name.
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Ancient Palestine

In historical contexts, especially predating the establishment of the State of Israel, Palestine was mostly a geographical term, particularly used in Greek, Latin, Arabic, and other languages taking their geographical vocabulary from them; it comprised the Roman sub-province of Syria Palaestina, roughly equivalent to ancient Canaan (including the Biblical kingdoms of Israel, Judah, Moab, Ammon, and Philistia) and thus included much of the land on either side of the Jordan River although with further political sub-divisions along the River Jordan valley .

See also: History of Palestine.
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Is Jordan Part of Historical Palestine?

Before the establishment of the British mandate (see below), most of the area that is today Jordan was part of the Ottoman Vilayet of Syria (previously called the Vilayet of Damascus), the southern part of Jordan was part of the Vilayet of Hejaz. Palestine was divided between the Vilayet of Beirut and the Sanjak of Jerusalem. Throughout most of history the rift valley comprising Wadi Arabah, the Dead Sea and River Jordan has formed a political and administrative frontier, even within empires which controlled both territories. The exception was during the period of the Caliphate when what is today southern Israel/Palestine and southern Jordan were termed Al Jund al Filasteen and the northern parts of these land as Al Jund al Urdun. In 1920, most of modern Jordan was incorporated into the planned League of Nations mandate territory termed Palestine. Trans-Jordan became a separate political unit on April 11, 1921 and the Mandate came into force in September 1923.
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British Mandate of Palestine

Between July 1922 and 1948, the term Palestine referred to the British Mandate of Palestine. The term referred to all of what is now Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza Strip. and was used by both Arabs and Jews without any ethnic connotations. For example, the Jerusalem Post, an Israeli newspaper, was known as the Palestine Post from its founding in 1932 until 1950.
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Palestinian Authority

Sometimes people use the term Palestine to refer to lands currently under the administrative control of the Palestinian Authority, a quasi-governmental entity which governs but lacks full sovereignty. Since the late 1990s, this has included most of the Gaza Strip and large sections of the West Bank.
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Palestine as a state

Modern usage of the term Palestine usually refers to a prospective Palestinian state, incorporating both the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. Some nationalists regard all the land west of the Jordan River, including territory of modern State of Israel, as the territory of a Palestinian state "from the river to the sea".

The term is also used to convey the sense that Palestine is already a state, either (a) consisting only of Gaza & West Bank or ( including as well all land held by Israel (see views of Palestinian statehood).
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Palestinian

This section describes several viewpoints of what makes a person a "Palestinian".
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By place of birth

A "Palestinian" can mean a person who is born in the geographical area known prior to 1918 as "Palestine", or a former citizen of the British Mandate territory called Palestine, or an institution related to either of these. Using this definition, both Palestinian Arabs and Palestinian Jews were called "Palestinians".
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Mandate definition

Britain used the term "Palestinian" to refer to all persons legally residing in or born in the boundaries of the British Mandate of Palestine without regard to their ethnicity, religion, or place of origin. [citation needed]
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By place of origin

In its common usage, "Palestinian" refers to a person whose ancestors had lived in the territory corresponding to British Mandate Palestine for some length of time prior to 1948. This definition includes the inhabitants of the West Bank and Gaza Strip (including Dom and Samaritans, but excluding Israeli settlers and most Armenians), the Israeli Arabs (including Druze and Bedouin), the Israeli Jews whose families moved there prior to The founding of the State of Israel, and the Arab refugees and emigrés from 1948 and their descendants (though not the pre-Israeli Independence (1948) non-Bedouin population of Jordan.) This usage excludes people who immigrated into the area during the twentieth century.

JSource, the Jewish Virtual Library, uses a similar but slightly narrower definition: "Although anyone with roots in the land that is now Israel, the West Bank and Gaza is technically a Palestinian, the term is now more commonly used to refer to Arabs with such roots ... Most of the world's Palestinian population is concentrated in Israel, the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and Jordan, although many Palestinians live in Lebanon, Syria and other Arab countries." JSource Virtual Library definition of Palestinian
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By citizenship

A more specific widespread usage of "Palestinian" sometimes heard is to refer to native residents of British Mandate Palestine who do not have Israeli or Jordanian citizenship, and to institutions outside the Israeli state and territories not incorporated into it.
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By ethnic origin
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Referring to the Arab subculture of the southern Levant

The word "Palestinian" is occasionally used by ethnographers and linguists to denote the specific Arab subculture of the southern Levant; in that sense, it includes not only the Arabs of British Mandate Palestine, but also those inhabitants of Jordan who are originally from Palestine and the Druze, while excluding both Bedouin (who culturally and linguistically group with Arabia) and ethnic minorities such as the Dom and Samaritans. However, some of this definition is not accepted. The Samaritans of the West Bank are usually referred to as Palestinian [1].
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Referring to Jews in a national rather than religious sense

Jews who lived in Palestine during the Middle Ages are also referred to as "Palestinian Jews" in a scholarly sense, eg. the authors of the "Palestinian Talmud". The name refers to the "Jerusalem Talmud" - its Hebrew name. Most early literature when referring to "Palestinians" meant to designate Jews, but after the modern State of Israel was born, Jews were identified as Israelis, their original self-definition. It was after the 1967 War that the word "Palestinian" began to be used to differentiate the Arab of the Palestinian region from the other Arabs of the region, eg the Egyptians, the Syrians, etc.
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See also

* Palestinian territories
* Palestinian Arabs
* Palestinian Jews


Retrieved from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_o...and_Palestinian


This page was last modified 06:30, 12 May 2006. All text is available under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License (see Copyrights for details).
Wikipedia® is a registered trademark of the Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.

THIS IS WHY I WANTED THIS DIALOGUE CLOSED BECAUSE ALL IT WILL TURN INTO IS A POLITICAL DEBATE OVER THE JEWS RIGHT TO BE IN ISRAEL AND THIS FORUM IS NOT FOR THIS TYPE OF DEBATE.

The owners went somtinh like this:

Cannanites
Hebrews
Romeans
Byzantines
Ottomans
Britan
Modern Isreal.

Is this true?

Is there another sub-forum here where the debate is allowed?

A fine list, but Ottomans only covered about 400 years of rule.

There is a hole of 1000 years in the list.

http://www.friesian.com/Islam.htm

The 'Cliff notes' of Islamic rule with lots of maps.

What is your problem? The question was on Palestine is a country and israel is another nation. If you ask me both have right to exist period.

My question was:

Does area called Palestina (and Israel from 1948) naturaly belong to British or French ever in last 5000 years?

Thanks

Of course this is not questio. See above my requestion.

Of course they both can live on that teritory. That is not matter.

There's a fairly good summary of the history of Palestine on wikipedia here

As you can see, the region has been under Roman, Arab and Ottoman control for much of it's history. The British administered the region between 1920 and 1947.

So this area is not historicly British area??

well let me say, more Roman or Ottoman then British.... The Brits were there only a half of century!

So interesting is that inhabitants of that country has less right to their own contry than Brits? Only half of century they making slaves, taking they treausre is less than you would like?

wow

Then they can go and take india treause or made APARTHEID in south africa agin.

If you are black, Brits think you are not human kind. You are trying teach us this??

Eh?

What on earth are you on about?

I get the impression you simply hate the British and have no interest in real history whatsoever. Why?

Everyone hate supporters of their colonisation policy. Everyone hate finding excusing for killing and robbery. Everyone hate supporters of that kinds.

Everyone.....people who had ability to think and respect moral values.

The first mention of the Palestinians in history is an Egyptian record that the "Pelest" invaded Egypt and Palestine during the reign of Ramses III, about 1177 BCE. The word "Pelest" means "people of the sea" and both Merneptah and Ramses II had difficulties with the sea people about 30 years earlier. In 1174 BCE, Ramses defeated the Pelest and settled them in Gaza to serve the Egyptians. They have been there ever since. About 1137 BC, Ramses VI withdrew Egypt from Canaan, effectively granting the Palestinians their independence.

The Palestinians use Abraham's travels referred to in Genesis to claim that they were in Palestine before Israel. Most historians seem to think that Abraham encountered some ex-patriot Palestinians, these were another people, or the story is bogus. Take your pick.

There is an inscription in Thutmose III's chapel in the Great Temple of Amun at Karnak that refers to [isr]. This is customarily translated as "Israel." That places Israel in Canaan before 1450 BCE. The ancient Israelites were in Canaan first.

The Nation of Israel was disbanded in 70 AD when it lost an insurrection against Rome. The modern nation of Israel, founded in 1948, contains so many people who, though Jews in name, have so little Jewish ancestry it stretches credulity to say they are the same nation that occupied the area in ancient times. The modern nation of Israel is something new.

Napoleon occupied Egypt (and Palestine) in 1799. The British attacked and defeated him shortly thereafter. France was there first, but she didn't last long.

--DJS

No doubt you hate the British for spreading the concepts of peaceful democracy as well? And for standing up to the likes of Hitler and Stalin? If it weren't for them evil Brits we''d all be living under totalitarian dictatorships, thinking exactly the same thoughts, and the world would be such a nicer place.......

Yeah I say wow to....if you want to argue, you need to read (R-E-A-D) what other people write? do you understand? now...slowly re-read what I wrote!

South Africa is enough of your democracy.

Is there any black man in your Parliament?
Is there any notchristian in your Parliament?

Is robbery other nation democracy?

While Gb was in stone age, India has civilisation, and manyyyyy others.

Belfast and South Africa (Appartheid) is your democracy. Sorry but rest of the world do not want it.

how many black men are in your parlament? Bosnian?

wow fantazum, you saw that coming a mile away! I thought he was asking a legit question at first, not phishing for a lets hate people of a country because I've had a bad education thread.

Yes. And black women



There are certainly muslims, not sure about other religions. No doubt quite a few atheists and agnostics too.



No, which is why we don't do it these days.



True. Although you'd be surprised how civilised our staone age was



Belfast is a peaceful, multi-cultural city.

Appartheid was introduced by the Afrikaans who were of Dutch/German origin (not British) and was strongly opposed by Britain - uindeed, we threw S Africa out of the British Commonwealth because of it, and severed all trade and sporting links with the country. We were proud to be at the forefront of the sucessful campaign to get S AFrica to abolish appartheid.


It's a sad world when the innocent are condemned for a crime they fought to prevent....

A short history of Islam:

633ad. Muslim armies attack and conquer Persia

637ad. Muslim armies attack and conquer the Sassanian empire.

641ad. Muslim armies attack and conquer Egypt.

650ad.Muslim armies attack Byzantine empire.

697ad.Muslim armies attack and destroy Carthage.

711ad. Muslim armies attack and conquer Spain.

712ad. Muslim armies invade western India and create a Muslim state.

720ad. Muslim armies invade France.

750ad. Muslim Abbasid Caliphate created in baghdad.

760ad. Muslim ottoman empire created.

826ad. Muslim armies invade and conquer Crete.

832ad. Muslim armies invade and conquer Sicily.

846ad. Muslim army attacks Rome.

869ad. Muslim army attacks and conquers Malta.

915ad. Muslim army under Fatamid attacks Egypt.

918ad. Muslim army under Fatamid again attacks Egypt.

935ad. Muslim army under fatamid is defeated in Egypt.

969ad. Muslim army under Fatamid again attacks Egypt and conquers it.

1050ad (circa) Muslim armies invade India from Afghanistan.

1054ad. Muslim army under Abdallah ben Yasim invades and conquers West Africa.

1061ad. Muslim armies invade and conquer North Africa.

1071ad. Muslim armies under the Ottomans invade and conquer Asia Minor.

1164-74ad. Muslim army under Saladin invades and conquers Egypt.

1176ad. Muslim armies under the Ottomans deafeat Byzantine armies and consolidaye their conquest of Asia Minor.

1200ad. Muslim army invades Sudan and conquers it.

1206ad. The first Muslim sultanate declared in India.

1285ad. Muslim army from Egypt invades Syria.

1300ad. Ottoman empire created in Turkey.

1353ad. Muslim armies under Ottoman command invade western Europe.

1354ad. Muslim army under Ottoman command conquers Gallipoli.

1357ad. Muslim army under Ottoman command attacks and conquers Adrianople (Edirne)

1382ad. Muslim army under ottoman command captures Sofia, Bulgaria.

1389ad. Muslim armies under Ottoman command destroys Serbian army in Kosovo.

1396ad. Muslim army under Ottoman command attacks and conquers Hungary.

1453ad. Muslim army under Mohammed 2nd conquers Constantinople.

1456ad. Muslim army conquers Athens.

1459ad. Muslim armies conquer Serbia.

1463ad. Muslim army invades and conquers Bosnia.[i]

1463ad. Muslim army attacks Venice.

1475ad. Muslim army conquers the Crimea.

1489ad(circa) City of Bijapur in Karnatka,India is cdreated the capital of the Muslim kingdom of Biafra.

1521ad. Muslim army attacks and conquers Belgrade.

1522ad. Muslim army uinder ottoman command invades and conquers Rhodes.

1529ad. Muslim army under ottoman command attacks Vienna.

1532ad. Muslim army under ottoman command invades Hungary but is defeated at Goms.

1533ad. Muslim Ottoman empire extends west and east into syria,Persia,Mesopotamia,Egypt.

1538ad. Muslim army under ottoman command invades north Yemen.

1541ad. Muslim army under ottoman command conquers Hungary.

1551ad. Muslim army under ottoman command conquers Lybia.

1565ad. Muslim army under Ottoman command attacks Malta.

1571ad. Muslim army under ottoman command attack and conquer Cyprus and Tunisia.

1575ad. Muslim army under Akbar invades and conquers Bengal.

1581ad. Muslim army under Akbar conquers Afghanistan.

1587ad. Muslim army under Akbar conquers Kashmir.

1590ad. Muslim army under Akbar conquers Orissa.

1592ad. Muslim army under Akbar conquers Sind.

1599ad. Muslim army under Akbar invades deccan region of India.

1602ad. Muslim army under Ottoman command attacks Persia.

1621ad. Muslim army under ottoman command attacks Mesopotamia (Iraq)

1669ad. Muslim persecution of Hindus in India begins.

1683ad. Muslim armies under Ottoman command are defeated at Vienna and the Islamic advance in Europe is brought to an end.

1690ad. Muslim armies invade southern India to complete their conquest of the sub-continent.

1699ad. Muslim army under ottoman command is defeated by Austrian army in Hungary.

1729ad. Muslim army attacks Portugese colony of Mombasa and occupies it.

1734ad. Turkey and persia once again at war with each other.

1736ad. Turkey and Russia at war with each other.

1760ad. British begin their rule of India.

1768ad. Turkey declares war on Russia.

1787ad. Turkey again decares war on Russia.

1827ad. Greece is liberated from Ottoman occupation by British, French and Russians.

1829ad. Greece declares itself independent.

1840ad. Muslim army under Said ibn Sayyid invades and conquers Zanzibar.

1843ad. British army breaks the power of the Muslim Moguls at Sind in India.

1853ad. Turkey and Russia go to war over Palestine.

1877ad. Russia and Turkey again at war with each other.

1878ad. Serbia finally liberated from Muslim Ottoman Occupation.

1908. Bulgaria becomes independent.

1918. Ottoman empire begins to collapse.

1923. Turkish republic founded by Kemal Ataturk.

Important notes about the British Empire:

The British empire abolished slavery.

The British empire never forced any of the people of the countries it occupied, to become Christians.

When the British finally left their colonies the people of those colonies enjoyed economic prosperity and an established system of government, which is probably why the first language of India is English and why nearly every former British colony retained an English governmental and judicial system.

Just about this "1878ad. Serbia finally liberated from Muslim Ottoman Occupation.
"
Turks amry make church over 400 years because serbs hate God and they do not respect. They are still same today. Turks makes them school, and leave their right to language even they were there over 400 years.
You were in soutamerican dozens year and you succefuly destroed people you find there and took their lands.


Christianity was go over the world using deatht, blood, islam never. If you claim opposite you are just patetic lier.


You are counting here almost all village so if I try count all countries and civilisations you attack it takes me days and a lot of space

You are using atomic bomb against civilians and cause more death people than islam could cause in 3 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 000 years, do not forget that.
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0806-01.htm

You had concetrations camps and try destroy some other nations.
http://www.auschwitz-muzeum.oswiecim.pl/ht...start/index.php
http://www.hdlskl.hr/Iskazi/Manjaca.html
http://www.factspider.com/co/concentration-camp.html


You had incvisition and I do not think it is human. Had islam has something similar? never

So

Apartheid is your invention

Black people are slaves in USA because of islam???

You atack iraq, india, afghanistan, vietnam, african states just for robery and slaves.

you destroy many nations and architecural treasures in South america......why?

You try destroy only moslem nation in europe (Bosniaqs), but we survive.

After destroyinh jews over centuris you make them state and make bigest world problem of todays time. That Jewish people escaped from spain, germany, austria, france,......and found safety amogn BOSNIAN MOSLEMS.

After christian attac there were just blood, death people and destructing. What after islam? Death civilians? No. Arhitectural and cultural treausres? YES

http://www.muslimheritage.com


Bosnia was given to austria without permission of bosnian people.


Would you like see your sister among this?
www.bosniaonline.org/doc/statements.doc

you could read a lot of mena subject

http://www.harunyahya.com/
http://www.harunyahya.net
http://www.harunyahya.org


SEE THIS: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/nigel.nichols.../f-killing.html




You are so patetic, so so patetic.

Are you telling me that Bosnian muslims protected Jews in WW2?......how strange because Bosnian muslims were very happy to join Hitler's SS and participate in the massacre of jews and serbs. Here is some real history of Bosnia for you -

"During the Second World War in Yugoslavia, as with the Catholic Church in Croatia, many Muslim clerics in Bosnia and Kosovo were willing accomplices in the genocide of the nations Serbian, Jewish and Roma population. From 1941 until 1945, the Nazi-installed regime of Ante Pavelic in Croatia carried out some of the most horrific crimes of the Holocaust (known as the Porajmos by the Roma), killing over 800,000 Yugoslav citizens - 750,000 Serbs, 60,000 Jews and 26,000 Roma. In these crimes, they were helped by Muslim fundamentalists in Bosnia and Kosovo who were openly supported by the Palestinian Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Hajj Amin al-Husseini. A notorious anti-Semite, he openly encouraged Muslims to join Nazi units that would be later implicated in genocide and crimes against humanity - the infamous Hanjar (or Handschar) 13th Waffen SS division. One of these crimes was the The Massacre at Koritska Jama Gorge, in Bosnia during 1941. The Nazi's also established a puppet state in Serbia under General Milan Nedic, who along with the Cetniks also particapated in the Holocaust in wartime Croatia (which included Bosnia) and Serbia.

What united al-Husseini and the Third Reich was a common hatred of the Jewish people. The Nazis had taken al-Husseini under their protection following the wartime invasion of Iraq. He was to spend most of the war living in a luxurious suite at the Hotel Adlon in Berlin. Hitler had enjoyed quite a following among the nationalist youth of Egypt during the war, after Nassiri Nasser, the brother of the future president of Egypt, had published an Arab edition of Mein Kampf in 1939, describing its author as the "strongest man of Europe". Not surprisingly, Egypt became like Argentina after the war - a safe haven for SS war criminals who fled there after the war. Many were keen to help President Nasser in his attempts to destroy the State of Israel. There is evidence that the shadowy ODESSA network helped many of them to Egypt. Apart from Syria - who still host the wanted SS war criminal Alois Brunner, it was in Egypt that the Post-war Arab links to the ODESSA network were strongest.

Many of the victims of the Holocaust/Porajmos were murdered in the Second World War's third largest death camp - Jasenovac, where over 200,000 people - mainly Orthodox Serbs met their deaths. Some 240,000 were "rebaptized" into the Catholic faith by fundamentalist Clerics in "the Catholic Kingdom of Croatia" as part of the policy to "kill a third, deport a third, convert a third" of Yugoslavia's Serbs, Jews and Roma in wartime Bosnia and Croatia (The Yugoslav Auschwitz and the Vatican, Vladimar Dedijer, Anriman-Verlag, Freiburg, Germany, 1988).

The most senior Muslim cleric to be involved in the Holocaust/Porajmos was Hajj Amin al-Husseini, who according to the Encyclopedia of the Holocaust (Edition 1990, Volume 2, Pages 706 and 707), made a substantial contribution to the Axis war effort by organizing "in record time" recruitment to Muslim SS units in Croatia that would be involved in some of the worse atrocities of the Second World War.

Altogether, it is estimated that some 20,000 Muslims fought in the Hanjar (Sword) SS Division, which fought against Yugoslav partisans led by General Tito, and carried out police and security details in fascist Hungary. The Nazi's recruited two SS divisions from Yugoslavia's Muslim population: the infamous Bosnian 13th Waffen Hanjar (or Handschar) SS division, and the Albanian Skanderbeg 21st Waffen SS division. SS conscription in Yugoslavia during the war produced 42,000 Waffen SS and police troops

The Encyclopedia of the Holocaust states:

They participated in the massacre of civilians in Bosnia and volunteered to join in the hunt for Jews in Croatia . . . The Germans made a point of publicizing the fact that Husseini had flown from Berlin to Sarajevo for the sole purpose of giving his blessing to the Muslim army and inspecting its arms and training exercises. "
From: http://www.fantompowa.net/Flame/yugoslavia_collaboration.htm

I must also remind you that the word "Apartheid" is not an english word it is Afrikans. During the British rule of South Africa there was no such "Apartheid" system imposed. "Apartheid" was imposed by the Dutch Afrikans government of South Africa after the British gave up their colonisation of the Cape province.

AFAIK the latest thinking on the Philistines is that they were related to the Minoans, certainly archaeological finds have shown they used the same pottery and iconography the Minoans did.. The idea that *Philistines* were educated but lacking in culture stems from the series of essays written by the poet Matthew Arnold... *on Philistines and Barbarians*..

To this day it still is used, and to be honest totally unfairly, as a predjudicial term when describing a person or peoples.

Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Hajj Amin al-Hussein <-------- He was a n honoured guest of the SS in Gemrany in WW2. After which he was interned by the french but subsequently *escaped*...

He was the person charged with the implemetation of the *final solution* should Palestine have fallen to the Nazis.

He also went onto become a massive influence over *Islam in the middle east* spiritually post WW2 and many sggest that Israels antipathy towards Yasser Arafat came from the fact it was Hajj Amin al-Hussein who championed him as leader of the Palestinians.

No need to yell we can hear you sweetie.....

The Byzintines were that hole. When rome fell, the Byzantines rules for 1000 as the remant of the east rman empire. Then in 1453, the Ottomans conquerd constantinople, renamed it istanbull, and ended the middle ages.

There's evidence to suggest Yasser Arafat was related to Hajj Amin al-Hussein.

Where are these people getting their information from? Is it a case of a little knowledge can be dangerous, or is this stuff being taught? Why would they think we started apartheid?

Just for the sake of argument I would like to pretend we are discussing the number of angels capable of dancing on a pin head or the quantity of mass, if any, in an astral body. This ensures totally impartiality in any political debate or potential debate occuring.
My question. If you do not click on this thread you may continue with your life never again exposed to any ideas presented here. You may continue to use the forum to examine all those topics you do enjoy without exposure to what you have decided is an 'inappropriate' subject. So where is the problem?
Would you actually have trouble sleeping at night knowing others are continuing this discussion? And if the moderator does pull the thread will you worry those involve might now be continuing it via private e-mail, telephone, snail mail, or god help us all, actual face to face conversation?
Are you, like some kind of hard core drug addict, unable to summon the strength to pass by this thread without clicking it?
Forgive me but the self-appointed right to censor others has always fascinated me. Forget the subject matter. Please explain to me why ignoring this thread is not enough and you feel you must stop others from exploring whatever ideas might be contained here?

your not terribly bright are you?......if you cannot make a rational analysis of any particular issue then I suggest you simply not say anything then nobody will know your a fool.

A 'rational analysis' of what? I asked simply why ignoring this thread was not enough for you and why you insisted that it be ended so others could not discuss it. A very simple question you seem unable or unwilling to answer.
And of course, the fact that you responded at all shows you were once more unable to pass this thread by. Once more you had to click on to see what was being said about this subject you have decided should not be discussed.

But you would like a 'rational analysis'. So be it. Very simply
Your first post was 'moderator, stop this thread'
Your second post was 'This thread may result in critism of Israel, that's why I wanted it ended'
And now, seeing that the feared critism of Israel has not appeared you have decided to take part in the conversation by providing a third post giving a brief history of Muslim wars ending with how they assisted the Nazis.
Analysis?
Don't critize Israel.
I told you this would end up with critism of Israel.
Muslims are evil people who assisted the Nazis.
Puck is a fool for asking why I wanted this thread stopped.
Analysis, Hmmmm.
Perhaps you are right. The pattern here is beyond me. But that's why I asked.
Why did you want a conversation between others which you had no obligation to take part in ended?
Why wasn't ignoring this thread enough?
What has suddenly changed that you are no longer demanding the thread be ended but are in fact now participating in it?
Why do I suspect you will say many unkind words about me but will not answer these simple questions?
Analysis, Hmmmmmm

And again, I am not discussing proper ownership of any mid-eastern land. I am only curious about what kind of minds assume the right to determine what may or may not be debated.

Looking forward to your reply (Actually I'm not. I figure it will be a juvinile, ranting, name-calling flame that will avoid the actual questions)
Oberon's favorite little fool
Puck

But ANY thread can be politicized or propagandized by divisive and disruptive posters, so shouldn't we play it safe by simply closing down ALL threads before that happens?

The fact is that the etymology of place-names and tribal/national names has ALWAYS been a subject of great interest to Forteans. So if we abandon, "censor," that line of inquiry we'd better be prepared to lose cryptozoology, ghosts and UFOs also.

Or at least any cryptozoological, ghostly or UFOlogical accounts which originate anywhere near the Holy Land.

I am just curious. Did you learn all this in your state schools or did you learn about this on the internet? Do you mean by "You", white Europeans? You have a very angry message.

Edit: I just saw that bosniaq hasn't been on in something like three months. Nevermind.

No he did not learn this in the school. This is something else you would not understand.
No ofence.

Bosnians History is not easy to understand because, mostly it is fake.
Fake in the way that it was always written by someone else other then a Bosnian, unfortunately.

In example: Serbs say they liberated this area from the Nazis.
Fact is: Serbija was the second country on the Balkans ( after Croatia ) to colaborate WITH the Nazis.
Fact is: Belgrade, the capitol of Serbia was the FIRST City "clean" of Jewish population.

Of course, they deniy it but there is proofe.
And Bosnia? It is only bad luck, living between two nationalist ideologies.

There is lots more to it and I will post the links another time ( as soon as I can )
but you can anyway google it e. g. " Serbija and Jews in WWII".

Anyway, this was not the topic and I appologize for my fellow Bosnians. They might had a bad day.

As for Palestine and Israel, I hope they will find the strength to live in peace.

You left out the Egyptians, the Greeks, the Babylonians, the Assyrians, and the Persians.

This is a great topic for the new Paleo/Archeo forum.