I think everybody who has seen loose change should watch this version it asks some very interesting questions about the video

http://www.lolloosechange.co.nr/

scroll towards bottom of the page and goto the google video version

Why should I spend my time watching that video? You need to convince me that it's worth my time. You can't just say watch this video, because I said so, who the hell are you?

Is this a video that attempts to discredit loose change or does it add to it with more information?

A little more information when starting a thread would be useful in the future.

Looks like somebody's had a good day in work (whats up wouldn't they let u flip the burgers)
if u actually read i suggested that everybody who had seen loose change should watch this as it asks some very interesting questions, why should it matter if it "attempts" to discredit it or "attempts" to add more information, would u only watch it if it added more information

I had a great comeback to your little attempt at mocking me, but it would get me kicked off the forum, and was not worth it. I'm your friend, I was just giving you a hard time.

I didn't mean to come across with an attitude. I just suggested you give more information when creating a thread. It was nothing personal.

It won't matter to me what the video is about, but many on this forum don't have much time to watch a video, unless they really want to see it.

Here's some good advice that helped me also.

The Key to Good Writing
By Henry Makow Ph.D.
May 26, 2006

By Henry Makow Ph.D.
(During the summer I am writing very short articles on lighter themes.)

The key to good writing is to consider your audience.

Recently a feminist wanted to vent and sent me a long diatribe.

I replied: "What makes you think I'm going to read this once I've figured out it isn't praise?"

People think you will read their thoughts just because they took the trouble to write them down. Communication is not the same as self-expression. If you need to express yourself, start a diary.

Consider your reader! First, don't waste his time unless you have something important to say. Samuel Johnson said: "No man but a blockhead writes except for money." Samuel Butler added: "Do not write until the pain of not writing has become excruciating."

Second, ask if your reader wants to read your message. You must write in an inviting way and convince him it is of vital interest.

Put yourself in the reader's position. He doesn't have much time or patience. He is looking for something that will inform, empower and lift his spirits.

You must pique his interest and get your message across quickly. The Internet is a very competitive environment. There is a plethora of good, free material. To compete, you must be as quick, easy and engaging as possible.

George Bernard Shaw had the best advice. "Have something original to say and say it in the most candid straight-forward way possible."

Keep it short! Weed out unnecessary words. Words are our currency. Don't inflate it.

Someone else said, "Clear writing requires clear thinking." If your message isn't clear in your mind, it's not going to be clear on the page. State your conclusions and give a couple of proofs. Don't cite a lot of evidence and expect your reader to figure out what you are trying to prove. (i.e. the reader wants your conclusions; he doesn't want your calculations. He will either accept or reject your views.)

Ideally, convey your message in your first paragraph so the reader can decide to continue or not. Write in a linear way, one-thought-per sentence. Good writing requires much rewriting. If you can, put the work away and look at it again after a few days.

None of this will stop the New World Order but it will enable us to get our message across more effectively.

http://www.savethemales.ca/001534.html

i thought my attempt at mocking u was quite funny oh & thanks for your advice but thats how far i got (in ur quote above) don't wish to sound rude but i'm on an internet forum not in school

That's my point exactly. People don't have the time to waste on somthing that doesn't interest them. Since you didn't read my whole post, I'll summarize the main points

Most people think we will read their thoughts just because they took the trouble to write them down.

You must write in an inviting way and convince the reader vital interest.

The Internet is a very competitive environment. There is a plethora of good, free material. To compete, you must be as quick, easy and engaging as possible.

Anyways, enough arguing back and forth about pointless stuff.


I'll watch the video when I get home. Thanks for posting it.

there's nothing like a good argument about nothing anyway it passed the time until the footy started, its worth a watch it does try to dis-credit it now i'm not saying its all correct but its does have some good points

Scoob has a valid(if not a bit rude) point; adding a link and telling someone to go watch a video generally gets a poor response as many here have done in the past; there is nothing worse than spending time watching a video that someone else claims to be incredible or important only to find it pointless and frustrating.

Giving some detail is helpfull to make your point.

That being said, please get back to the point of this thread, rather than bickering back and forth about the delivery method of the link...thanks.

OK, I took the time to watch it.

I was not impressed. First off, I don't think loose change is the best 9/11 video out there. They focus on the visual aspects, and not evidence that can be documented.\

The problem with you Robo is that you were fooled in the Gulf of Tonkin, the 1993 WTC bombing, and the Oklahoma city bombing. They were all bullshi!+. the people have been lied to. You can blindly trust your government and the controlled news, or you can question. Funny you claim to be a skeptic of the conspiracy aspect, but blindly trust the government. You are not a true skeptic! You may disagree, but this is my post, and I say you are a government apologist.

Since I took the time to watch your video, please watch mine..

click on the picture

"The problem with me" I think a problem lies with u, u have drawn up a conclusion about me on the basis of a video i posted, for starters i didn't say i believed it all i said it asks some very interesting questions which it does. Just because i don't think the government was behind 9-11 u throw all sorts of accusations about me "blindly trusting the government" and saying i was fooled by other events. Its amazing how u draw up these conclusions about me because i don't believe the same thing as you do on this event. To me this shows how with little evidence conspiracy theorists draw up there own conclusion.

Oh and if u want to talk about "blindly believing" in something take a look at ur first post in this thread u ask "Is this a video that attempts to discredit loose change or does it add to it with more information?" now notice how u use the work "attempt" only when talking about discrediting it and this is without even watching it.

You asked me to watch the video "road to tyranny" now u may be interested to know that this was one of the first video i watched questioning the official story and was totally blown away, i mean i couldn't beleive how the government were getting away with it, i even copied it and gave it to some of my mates & my boss, its only after doing my own reasearch that i now think the government had nothing to do with it, & one little thing that gets me about Alex Jones is that if this information is so important for everybody to know then why is he selling his videos and not giving them away, now i know some will say he needs to charge so he can fund future videos lol $25.95 for a vhs version are you having a laugh $16.95 for a t-shirt yes i think u are having a laugh this man is a money grabbing media whore.

WHAT evidence..documented WHERE?

Scoob..I asked this question before and no one answers.

What is the your or anyone elses definition of "valid evidence"? Is it simply a picture?..an out of context comment?..evaluations by unqualified people?

What qualifies as valid "documentation"?..the very same pictures..out of context comments and unqualified evaluations?

To be fair, I was drunk as a skunk when I wrote that post, but I stand by my it, and won't apologize for anything. I've dealt with you in the past, so I didn't base my assumption about you from this single post.

The video you posted, did like you said, and raised some good questions. I'm not a huge fan of Loose Change in the first place.

I would have to go back and re-watch the video to give you the examples which were lame, but I'm not going to do that, so oh well.

I dont' mind paying for Alex Jones merchandise. I listen to his radio show every night, and appreciate the work he does. I'm happy to support him and his family.

If sounds like you are a victim of government damage control, just like the majority.

What would it take for you to believe 9/11 didn't happen exactly the way the 9/11 commission and the "authorities" said?

The very fact that only certain perspectives are allowed to pushed through the mainstream news sources to the unsuspecting public gives credibility that there's a cover up in progress.

Why did the air traffic controllers burn the tape recordings of conversations. Why does any firefighter whose story does not match up with the official version, been put under gag order not to reveal to the public what they saw, heard and experianced.

It's all government spin and damage control. You don't quite realize yet what this country and the world is up against.

someone I know personaly but will not name because these boards are being monitored works with a family member of someone who died in the twin towers. I don't know exactly what they were told by the FBI, but this family member was basically told the US let it happen. They accepted the hush money of over a million dollars, and promised to not take further action involving 9/11 lawsuits. The same lawsuits that the media refuses to acknowledge. Another person I know personaly was talking with a CNN camera man who was told to go into downtown Manhatten on 9/11 and wait for somthing big to happen.

The fact that the government constantly lies to the public to justify going to war is a major biggie. the 1993 WTC was done with the help of the FBI. In Oklahoma city 2-3 bombs were removed from the inside the building, and were bigger then the truck bomb outside. The gulf of Tonkin never happend the way the public was told, and the president used it to trick the people and congress to go to war in Vietnam. The list goes on and on.

Have you watched this video, it will explain alot, and you must watch it for me to continue conversing with you.

Among 9/11 it will show you how the US government brings in the drugs, and drugs are a reason for 9/11 among other covert informtion.

The truth and lies of 9/11

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=87...+lies+of+9%2F11

i have now watched this film too and your right it asks questions..dont answer many though!
you know, its good that you question the information like loose change .and lets say the 911 thing is exactly as the government says
shouldnt that be questioned too?
i mean it asks why would the government not hide a book and its contents if it told the world its secret plans..try mein kampf its a blueprint.
to be honest theres lots we dont know but that film is picking pepper out of gnat sh**..an insult to a mans intelligence.
this is not apoke at you but it didnt disproove anything did it?
did it?

Does it tell us why building 7 fell down and how Al Queda from there caves somewhere in deepest Afghastan picked just the right time(with the wargames to fool Norad) and pick the dumbest pilots(who cant even fly kites probably) to pull off impossible manouvers,crashing into Americas mostly defended places on Earth and leave no evidence.Can mobile phones really work at 32 thousand feet?Insider tradings and pre-warnings about the attack.Bla,bla,bla.....

The NWO is so in your faces most of you are blinded.
Like believing that wrestlings real. cos he's wearing patriotic pants and appears noble. (but is really a total asshole,abusing power and spiritual beliefs)

Wake up,the Government(powers that be) are devious! Things like 911 have happened since the dawn of history.
Cheesy films like Screw Loose Change are just disinformation to try to get back at the "911 conspiracy loons" like the recently released footage of the Pentagon Crash.(still cant see a plane? )and fails to address the real meat of the 911 Facts.
Is this the best defence the've got?.Very poor.

Interesting reply...sounds desperate. Too many smilies and blah blahs.. You're just citing the same completely debunked crap over and over.

I've asked this question many times to many CTs and have never gotten an answer. Maybe you can provide one.



WHAT facts??? None of you folks have yet provided ONE piece of anything that could even remotely be thought of as valid evidence.

But then again maybe we're thinking of different standards when considering evidence in a case so meaningless as mass murder...soo..(make sure to avoid this question)...What are your standards of what constitutes viable evidence?

Why did Bush not want to have any investigation into 9/11?

You may say out of repect for the victims who died.

I say to keep the details covered up and out of site of the public. They just wanted us to believe the conclusion they came to without offering any evidence.

If it was not for investigative reporters outside the government researching 9/11 the public would not even know about drill of flying planes into building on 9/11 at the same time it was happening in real time. You would still believe what George Bush said that no one in his administration or any past administratio could even envision flying passenger planes into buildings.

What do you have to say about the military man who trained some of the "hijackers" on U.S. military bases in espionage. He came out and said 9/11 was an inside job, and was fired because military men are not allowed to talk bad about the president.
Edit; removed crude remark.

Interesting..got links?

Let me guess..some conspiracy website.

Where else, the mainstream media will not cover it Nor will they cover William Rodriguez, or anyone else who does not lick boots.

Alex Jones interviewed him a long time ago, right after 9/11 happened. I'll try to find it.

Scooby,

You've been warned plenty of times before, keep your remarks civil, the vulgar comments aren't appreciated. This applies to everyone participating in this discussion, there isn't any reason to spout crude and profane remarks, find a more acceptable way to voice your disenchantment with whoever you deem responsible, or be prepared to deal with the consequences.

Could it be because after a little research they know those guys are full of guano?

Unfortunatly I couldn't locate what I was trying to find.

Here's a mainstream news article about the supposed hijackers living at military bases.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/alleged_hijack...d_us_bases.html


In reality, the government is the voice of authority, and we have journalists in the mainstream who parrot the official line. There is no such thing as an investigative reporter, who is not afraid to report corruption in the federal government. Sure they will reveal a little corruption, but not the big things like CIA dealing drugs.

If you want investigative journalism, you have to go to the internet.

Please watch this video if you have not already, it's worth your time, I promise.


The truth and lies of 9/11:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=87...+lies+of+9%2F11



The reason you don't see many people in the military coming forward is because they are afraid

Section 888. Art. 88. Contempt toward officials

Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the
President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense,
the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Homeland
Security, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory,
Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall
be punished as a court-martial may direct.

Article 88 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/casecode/usc...ection_888.html

888. ART. 88. CONTEMPT TOWARD OFFICIALS
Any commissioned officer who uses contemptuous words against the President, the Vice President, Congress, the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of a military department, the Secretary of Transportation, or the Governor or legislature of any State, Territory, Commonwealth, or possession in which he is on duty or present shall be punished as a court-martial may direct.

http://www.army.mil/references/ucmj2.htm#8...ARD######OFFICIALS

are you saying we should just accept everything we r told by the government?
i say good evidence is where you find it , a human can read between the lines and make their own decisions, people who REALLY want the truth will always reexamine what they think they know if it makes logical sense.
but asking a child to blindly accept his parents advice is just not gonna work, they and we wanna satisfy our own curiostys.
you know your self that when somethings hidden it makes you even more curios..so if there is nothing to hide, then the powers that be , by being so secretive make this climate of mistrust ever more fertile.
and we are responding to the stimuli.

With all due respect (moderator),...... your try'n to put the clamps on the man for say'n the L--K B--TS. You got to be kidding... I know there are kids on line, but.... Mainstream & Cable television pump it out 100x 'worse' than that every day. I thought this a 'people's forum,...'by the people & for the people'. "Forum Suppresion"?... thats all we need now.
Watchout scooby,... Big Brother's watching....................................... yet again.

this will only make us more resiliant, what dont kill u makes u stronger!!
go on scooby preach brother preach.

WHAT evidence? Documented by WHO?

These may be simply yet insightful questions with possibly telling answers. So let me ask yet again the much avoided question.

What are the standards that you use to determine if bits of information actually can be elevated to constitute actual valid evidence?

Come on Scoob. The reason you don't hear about the huge "coverup" and conspiracies on the main stream news is because reputable news organizations need evidence before making accusation. If someone reports "The Gubment blew da towers!"..the very next thing to do is support that claim..for that you need evidence.The internet sources can print anything.

Those military codes you post only apply to commissioned officers.

Well...actually no. A lot of times what doesn't kill you doesn't make you stronger...it leaves you blind..crippled..crazy..or a drooling vegetable in a wheelchair with a colostomy bag right next to the "I Break for Babes" bumper sticker stuck onto the backrest.

I should not have wrote that. It obviously does not make sense.

What I was getting at was that we keep catching them lying to us, and when we confront them with evidence they change their story, and do damage control.

The point is that 9/11 official is full of lies, but mostly because the people have only been told half the story, and half the details.

Seriously Qui Bono, or who benifited from 9/11. Bush or Bin Laden?

Look who has the motive.

Do you honestly think that the corporate media would do a serious investigation, with possibly a private detective to find out the details, or would they just go to the government public spokesperson, and get the details from them.

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media."
--William Colby (Former CIA Director)
*Source: "Derailing Democracy" by Dave Mcgowan, published by Common Courage Press.

See..this is where the rub is.
You state the the nist/fema etc. is full of lies. It is therefore up to you or anyone else who makes the claim to state what those lies are and how you determined they are lies.

...Half the story and half the details...
How did you determine that?




No one benefited from 911.

.

The motive for what?



You obviously don't understand the details of the process and neither do I but.. Corporate media conducted the investigation??..a gubment spokesperson just made it up?? Come on!

Wow i was going to say i can't believe what i'm reading but i would be lying, if u had dealings with me in the past u would know i don't blindly believe everything the government says, this to me just strengthens the fact that some people when adding 1+1 come up with well whatever is convenient for their discussion at the time which must be a very sad way to be, and to be honest whats the point of having a discussion with someone who can't stick to facts. Its very sad making things up to strengthen something u obviously feel so strongly about, in fact if u feel so strongly about it and its that obvious u wouldn't need to would u