As some of us that have been keeping up with the "Milk" thread... you have noticed that a small debate on the good and bad of drinking alcohol was brought up... I have found a news release on a new study on drinking beer... (let's keep it civil people)

Beer Ingredient May Fight Prostate Cancer

Jun 12, 7:50 AM (ET)


CORVALLIS, Ore. (AP) - A main ingredient in beer may help prevent prostate cancer and enlargement, according to a new study. But researchers say don't rush out to stock the refrigerator because the ingredient is present in such small amounts that a person would have to drink more than 17 beers to benefit.

Oregon State University researchers say the compound xanthohumol, found in hops, inhibits a specific protein in the cells along the surface of the prostate gland.

The protein acts like a signal switch that turns on a variety of animal and human cancers, including prostate cancer.

Cancer typically results from uncontrolled cell reproduction and growth. Xanthohumol belongs to a group of plant compounds called flavonoids, which can trigger the programmed cell death that controls growth, researchers say.

Xanthohumol was first discovered in hops in 1913, but its health effects were not known until about 10 years ago, when it was first studied by Fred Stevens, assistant professor of medicinal chemistry at OSU's College of Pharmacy.

Last fall, Stevens published an update on xanthohumol in the journal Phytochemistry that drew international attention.

Stevens says it possible for drug companies to develop pills containing concentrated doses of the flavonoid found in the hops used to brew beer.

He also says researchers could work to increase the xanthohumol content of hops.

There are already a number of food supplements on the market containing hops, and scientists in Germany have developed a beer that contains 10 times the amount of xanthohumol as traditional brews. The drink is being marketed as a healthy beer, but research is still under way to determine if it has any effect against cancer.

The latest Oregon State University research was published in a recent issue of Cancer Letters.

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Darn it ...why dont I like the taste of beer...damn damn damn.....ohhh welll

Thats good news for me I'm a typical Canadian eh, love da beers in the summer and da winter , ok I like my beer and wow, to bad there is that whole in moderation thing to worry about errrrrrrr

there's so many flavors of beers, unless you just don't like alcohol, or have a reaction to what's in beer... there should be a flavor out there for everyone.

Course I consider all lagers, ales, pilsners, etc... to all be beer, others disagree...

BM loves alchol really LOL but no matter what beer I have tried I hate the taste of it...aww shucks!!!! no fair aaaaaakkkkk

Xanthohumal, falls wihtin the range of compounds called Xanthones, it was originally detected in an extract from hops(humulus lupulus) found to be present in beer, But one would have to drink 120 gallons of beer per day too have any significant effect, because minute quanitiys are in hops....until the discovery of the Ashataba plant , it had no safe, practical use.......


this is the typical 'propaganda ' study that not only is dessigned to sell alcohol but the interesting thing is how many just take it on fact...so many things are marketed this way and health is a wholeness idea..buying intot the idea that health is in a pill or a alcoholic beverage gee who benefits from this????? Understanding this you get real quick the study is absurd and who its put out by is equally absurd...

its not just Beer that is meant to be good...a lot of doctors will tell you to drink a glass of red wine each day

I know i have heard of those studys, but they also said cigarettes were good for you at one point in history too, i was actually told by a doctor that ciggs wouldn't hurt anything if you can bleeive that ......I'm very leery of those studys the dangers associated with alcohol is quite a bit as of late more and more is coming out about the negative effects of alcohol....In the states alcohol is marketed very interestingly, for one it targets lower incomes , its the one way you can 'feel good about your lot in life" You can't possibly have a good time without alcohol most holidays are centralized around drinking..
Frog posted a bunch of links about the benefits of wine i don't beleive it the back of the alcohol bottle clearly warns of the risks of drinking, its on every alcohol sold here...i don't know about your country...but if it will cause birth defects in an infant and I'm nursing my child and what i get he gets I would never trust a study or any doctor telling me beer is good for the breast milk and they do .....today someone ws telling me that his old girlfriend did all kinds of drugs pregnant drank blah blah her son is just fine he says, i know this kid he has ADHD so bad no one can deal wiht him his life is doctors and meds...I said i wouldn't call this kid normal and unaffected by the things she did pregnant....

if one looks hard enough, some "good" can be found in anything.

that said, take a look at the following article. I am posting only one for sake of brevity. The results have been repeated in many studies. Note what I have bolded.



http://communications.uwo.ca/media_newsroo...isting_id=14653

as I mentioned in the other thread, the issue is identifying the therapeudic-toxic threshold.

Interesting Hyper, antioxidant benefits hmmm....I wanted to add that I wonder how much your overall health figures in with the study hmmm ??? I'd think that one of exemplary health may not have a issue with one 5 ounces of wine but what about the person on medications and not good health to begin with... anyhoo I found this to add to your article ...
What is a drink?
• 12 ounces of regular beer (150 calories)
• 5 ounces of wine (100 calories)
• 1.5 ounces of 80-proof distilled spirits (100 calories)
(This limit is based on differences between the sexes in both weight and metabolism. Beer ranges considerably in its alcohol content, with malt liquor being higher in its alcohol content than most other brewed beverages...


Personally i would hope to opt out on the alcohol as any sort of health measure.....

On the OP it seems you need to consume 120 gallons of beer a day to reap the benefits...

no doubt sheri,

for any therapeudic property found in acoholic beverages there is a better source to be found elsewhere.

the question is, will people use a study to justify their drinking habits, or will society study drinks and drinking habits to determine their effects? (both) People drink, so it is prudent to research the effects. People smoke so it is prudent to research the effects. People drink milk so it is prudent to research the effects.

I agree, I would of liked to of seen those added alternatives to getting antioxidants (blueberries) or having a healthy heart by exercising and limiting to not eating animal at all or why are't we centered around doing things that benefit the health...why is alcohol the staple of happiness and good times..why are cigarettes touted as a great way to relieve stress? I have alot of concern for the kids alot of teens use alcohol...sad to say but many will use these studys to drink more.......

I don't think anybody likes the taste of it at first, you have to drink it a awhile to gain a taste for it. But on the subject that is great, I always thought it should be a good thing to drink

Sheri, stop spreading your propaganda. You never post any evidence at ALL. Unlike others here, you have no credibility to your claims.

The pros of a glass of wine or beer a day are greatly significant to the cons.

sherri beer is one of the brest substutes to water in times of hardship its sterile because the yeast lkills other bacteria and fungi and can stay good for a very long time. red wine actualy increases red blood cell count and has anti oxidents. yes if u drink like a moron u will damage ur body but a single glass of red wine is fine.

So you have heard that too?? that a glass of red wine a day is good for you?? See I KNEW I was right LOL

Frog again you are in error, i start alot of these threads and am one of the major contributors, along with hyper and micheal and scratch and avinash and celum ........anyone can read you may not care for my info but I post plenty of it lol.....maybe your not reading it... You can check out anything and it will check out I rarely use goggle much of my knowledge is aquired knowledge......
I have nothing to prove you either get something from my posts or you don't I have no p reference in the matter...lol


IMO alcohol is more harmful than it is good for you and there are kids that come on here i personally excersise great care in what i do and don't advocate.....this is a family forum......


i don't find goggle to be a good source for the most part....

Well, Sheri it's against the rules for posting infomation without the source by passing it off as your own.

Unless of course... You are the owner of this site that mimics your words: Link

Go enjoy your beer people!

Robbie i actually find this post interesting, I be interested in hearing abit more , and i wqas just gonna call it a day on this topic but my curiousity is piqued I'll look into these claims abit deeper increases red blood cell count...hmmm.

I wouldn't badmouth propaganda... you're always using it

Also, good for beer.
Milk has actually been found to reduce bowel cancer.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=10420

Now I can protect my dowstairs, and my butt!

Well, when I'm 16 anyway

Nice try kratos....but it won't work .......

Won't work? I was just pointing out you are a plagiarizer. I also posted the link to show it. You go on and on about propaganda when you get your own stuff from that site. I mean, is every bloody study in the world that goes against you wrong just for simply going against your thoughts?

Kratos use care accusing, I have no idea on the site you are talking of.....

Look drink beer , drink milk, eat meat sniff glue if thats what makes you happy...Its not personal nor does it matter what you do or don't do as far as I'm concerned,,,Look i have drank, ate meat, smoked too, i didn't really look into things either of course i tended towards only taking on the beleifs that worked for me who doesn't....but i began to look into things and realized that there is so much we just trust and most get there 'nutrition info off of commercials i was one too once....I'm now looking into things deeper....Its just info you decide what and if it means anything to you.....I post on health....many things don't fall under my umbrella lol.....

Actually... I posted the proof and here it is again.

Your post:


That site:

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It's the site that came up when I googled "xanthohumol". Very very very curious it is nearly perfect to your own words, Sheri Berri.

kratos I posted my understanding of xanthohumol......I used my college library as reference.........possibly this is a general definition....Goggle isn't he only source of info kratos....

my gawd ....you are right sorry sheri but your words match the words in the source provided!!!!No offence Sheri but both read word for word...amazing!!!

Which happened to match the online definition very, very accurately...



Which you didn't acknowledge...

Okay, I'll stop being silly now

I have heard it about the red wine many times before and of course it’s said to be beneficial in moderation only (as with everything else), but beer being good is a news for me. wow

yea sherri that is kinda maazing that thjey match up perfectly. i mean most people wouldnt be able to recite a defination word for word from a book they read lets see ur 39 that would be proble 15 year ago?

Funny they are all vegans...


I think Kratos proved that wrong


Wow, what a stupid excuse...

Kids, when you are 21, drink 1 glass of wine a day


Then why do you plagarize it?


Too bad modern science disproves a lot of what you say.

I'm not a vegan.

How could I forget

now that is just being irresponsible.

meta analysis of the studies on alcoholic beverage consumption responsibly state that if people are currently drinking 1 glass of wine a day (or the equiv) there is no reason to tell them to stop, if they are drinking more to recommend reducing consumption, and most importantly if they are not drinking 1 glass of wine a day (or equiv) to NOT recommend adding it to their diet.

Hyper a doctor would not tell his patients that a glass of red wine ...meaning ONE glass...every day or every other day...is good for you....if they KNEW it wasnt.....if that was the case and a person did only drink ONE single glass of red wine with their dinner...and something happened to them...i think doctors would have been up in court over it....I doubt very much that a glass of red wine with your dinner will do any harm


I personally hate red wine...but just becuae I hate it dont mean I will deny what a qualified doctor has said

Seriously... I think it's either 10 oz or 12 oz serving.

thats what I call a glass of wine LOL

But seriously you are right...it does no harm...doctors wouldnt lie like that!!!!

LOL, look at his expression!

BM,

what you said could be taken two ways, both of which are disturbing.

How so Hyper??? explain to me how a glass of red wine a day or any other day ONE GLASS is disturbing???

Are you a doctor??? I am NOT repeat NOT trying to be funny with you...but Hyper...I for one would like to see how the heck that is disturbing....not a long winded responce...short and sweet if you please

you defended frog's blanket advice for kids to start drinking a glass of wine a day at age 21 because of "a qualified doctor".

interpretation 1: you are calling frog a qualified doctor when in the past his converstations have stated he wants to become a doctor.

interpretation 2: blind trust in somebody because they hold an MD. This is rediculous. As I have said, the meta-analysis of the studies on the effects of alcohol at this time do not support telling people to start drinking one glass a day. If a doctor who knows your personal medical history wanted to suggest such action to you, that is between you and your doctor. Blanket statements at this time are irresponsible and reckless.

That can be disputed I can easily say the meta-analysis DOES support drinking a glass of wone a day...You won't find evidence for neither.

well, you go do that analysis and get it published frog. Then we will compare it to already published reports.

Umm I hate to break it to you hyper...but now you are going all PA in my face....please direct me to where I actually classed Frog as a doctor??

Hyper please read my posts again...when I said....a doctor has told me...I am not talking about Frogfish...I am talking about MY OWN GP...ya with me so far??

Right after Frog had said that about kids drink wine when you are 21 ect...I never so much as quoted him saying YEA go for it...If a person does NOT drink...they should NOT start just because red wine is good for you...I cannot stress this enough


look at this

A glass of red wine a day keeps the doctor away
Is red wine the fountain of youth or a potent poison? Is enjoying a glass of red wine with dinner each evening beneficial to your health? Current research suggests that a glass of red wine each day may be providing you with more than just a little relaxation.

What are the health benefits of drinking red wine?
For over 10 years, research has indicated that moderate intake of alcohol improves cardiovascular health. In fact, in 1992 Harvard researchers included moderate alcohol consumption as one of the "eight proven ways to reduce coronary heart disease risk." However, research has suggested that specifically red wine is the most beneficial to your heart health. The cardioprotective effect has been attributed to antioxidants present in the skin and seeds of red grapes.

Scientists believe the antioxidants, called flavonoids, reduce the risk of coronary heart disease in three ways:

by reducing production of low density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol (also know as the "bad" cholesterol)
by boosting high density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol (the good cholesterol)
by reducing blood clotting. Furthermore, consuming a glass of wine along with a meal may favorably influence your lipid profiles following that meal
Recently, researchers have found that moderate red wine consumption may be beneficial to more than just your heart. One study found that the antioxidant resveratrol, which is prevalent in the skin of red grapes, may inhibit tumor development in some cancers. Another study indicated that resveratrol aided in the formation of nerve cells, which experts believe may be helpful in the treatment of neurological diseases like Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s.


How much red wine should I drink?
A four-ounce glass of wine is equivalent to one serving. Men will benefit from consuming one to two servings per day. Women should consume only one serving per day to reap the maximum benefits. This is not to say that you should start drinking alcohol if you presently do not. Occasional or binge drinkers have higher mortality rates than those who drink moderately on a regular basis. In those who consume three or more drinks per day, there is an increased risk for elevated serum triglycerides (fat in the bloodstream). Long-term, excessive alcohol consumption can damage nerve cells, the liver and the pancreas. Heavy drinkers are also at risk for malnutrition, as alcohol may substitute for more nutritious foods.

What about grape juice and non alcoholic red wine?
In 1997, researchers at the University of Wisconsin concluded that purple grape juice also reduced blood clotting. Another study by researchers at University of California at Davis, confirmed the findings that non alcoholic red wine contains the same antioxidant profile as red wine. However in a 1998 study, Japanese researchers found that while grape juice still had antioxidative benefits, it did not significantly lower LDL cholesterol levels compared to red wine.



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Ya with me now????

I'm not eating anything that doctors say is good, even if they've spend 10 years learning about it.
I'm going to wait for another scientist/doctor, who I wouldn't normally trust (as their degrees are only for people to put blind trust into) to publish a meta-analysis, then ask another scientist/doctor (who also has these unreliable degrees that are only for blind trusters) for his meta-analysis.
I will then compare the two, completely trustworthy meta-analyses, from two people who prey on blind trusters, and make my decision to eat from that.

Whatever you say

mega,

firstly, western doctors have little training in diet and nutition.
secondly, spending 10 years studying something does not alone indicate your level of knowledge.
thirdly, when it comes to studies, the best (if possible to use) is the double blind study since it eliminates experimentor bias.
fourthly, when a number of studies on an area of interest are done it is valuable to perform a comparative analysis of the studies to best determine how the information can be applied.
lastly, there should never be "blind trust".

And blind trust in vegans is okay?

eric,

where did I say to put blind trust in vegans?

You didn't exactly say those words NO..but you paint a pretty good pic of it...so tell me....putting blind trust into a vegan...do you think its OK?? Do you think that ie your word over a doc is much better?...it doesnt matter how many links that one may post....if it agrees that ..IE certain drink is good for you...if you disagree ..because you are against drink...then do you THINK that others should say..ok then to heck what doctorshave said..i'll jump in hypers boat?

None of the above questions are meant to be sarcastic..i am just trying to see where you are coming from

This is how I see health fanatics...(not aimed at anyone in particular)

Meat........is fully against it

Drink........against it

The gym....... is like a second home

Dairy...........against it

Nothing with sugar...........against it

Veg............Well HELLO I am a vegan/vegeterian!!

Fruit..........YUM YUM lots of it

Meds................against them

there are more but those are just some things your typical health fanatic is against......IT'S THEIR CHOICE...right?

It's the same with the lazy junk food fanatic.....

The gym...screw that..I have trouble reaching for the remote controll!!

No dairy............are you kidding me?

No meat.............get the fook outta here!!

No sugar..............get bent!!

No drink.................now you are taking the piss!!!

Veg -........... Dont think so!!

Fruit................Who the feck are you calling a fruit??

Meds........Keep em coming!!

This is a CHOICE for people like this too.....right?

BOTH health faniatics and junk food fanatics are putting themselves at more risk than they like to think....they can't help it...thats WHY they are FANATICS

OK now this is how I do things.....( and a lot of others too)

The Gym --............. No probs...once in a while..go out walking on good days too!!Exercise at home..its great fun!!

Dairy .............Yea a lil here a lil there...not TOO MUCH though

Meat.............YUP...but not the crap macdonalds serve you..and NOT every single day lolFish is good for ya too

Sugar.............YUP..again NOT TOO MUCH..dont go nuts on it...think about your teeth as well lol

Drink...............As long as you dont go over board...I only drink once or twice a month and I dont over do it....(Drink LOTS of water too)

Veg................YUP eat it..eat plenty if you can

Fruit..............Eat it as much as you can..it even works better than a chocie bar for a snack!

Meds..................I use alternative medicine..but will take pain killers if I had to and couldnt stick it...but try to stay clear as much as possible

keep a happy balance...you are not too much at risk if you do it in moderation...key word MODERATION!!!

BM....

My comments were in this case a result of frog's blanket statement of "kids drink a glass of wine a day when you reach 21". I specifically said if one decides to persue such a course after determining that it was not introducing a risk to their health, to go ahead.

The only fanatics here are those that run around in circles avoiding the research to date on diet and health making every excuse possible to defend their own lifestyles. Moderation is my favourite exuse bantered about.

Of course, people tend to surrender to authority rather than doing the research themselves, assuming of course they are capable of doing the research.