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Arch~Angel
A US Patent has been awarded to John Timothy Sullivan for the Sully Direct Current, which is not AC nor DC. Discovered as part of new a electrolysis technique.
BALTIMORE, MARYLAND, USA -- Clear Energy, Inc., a small R&D company in Baltimore, has been issued US Patent number 7,041,203 for a new electrical current.

More....
http://pesn.com/2006/06/12/9500280_New_Electricity_SullyDC/


Homepage:
http://www.sullydc.com/index.html
Fluffybunny
I watched the video...as near as I could tell they are either distilling liquor or making coffee...I am not sure which...

I understand AC and DC, but didn't quite catch onto what this guy is doing... I'll stick to fighting fires...
Arch~Angel
In a simple circuit this would be no different than DC.

In staged electrolyzers it allows the electro-magnetic effects of AC, but the current flow through the electrolyte does not change directions, nor does the polarity of the electrodes.
Doom
I read the site an it should be more simple, because I am still unsure it is a new current
Arch~Angel
QUOTE(Doom @ Jun 13 2006, 09:32 AM) [snapback]1229630[/snapback]

I read the site an it should be more simple, because I am still unsure it is a new current


It is not like 'switched DC'.

Current flows through the circuit in one direction like DC, and current is steady, like in DC.

But because the current does change direction within the electrode it allows AC electro-magnetic effects.

AC effects where only DC can be used.

It is DC current with a switched electrode.

The switching is from negative to negative and positive to positive, but the current does change direction, but ONLY WITHIN THE ELECTRODE.

But I do think calling this a new Electrical Current to be compared with AC and DC is stretching it a bit.

From Original Article:

One limiting factor in efficient creation of hydrogen in electrolysis is the attraction created between Hydrogen and Oxygen gas bubbles to electrodes. "They stick like tiny magnets, increasing resistance of electrodes," thus reducing gas production.

As the SDC current changes direction within an inductive coil, the directions of the magnetic fields reverse creating multidirectional forces on the electrodes and ions. A tuned resonator circuit can create vibrations on the electrodes; this action shakes the electrodes and significantly increases the release of the hydrogen bubbles resulting in more efficient production of pure Hydrogen and Oxygen.

It would not be feasible to use AC to create this mechanical action; the gases would mix as polarities are swapped creating an unstable mixed gas.
Arch~Angel
user posted image

http://jnaudin.free.fr/lifters/main.htm

What would happen if this were applied to the Electrokinetic lifter?

Pulsed DC works better than continuous DC despite the current drops.

Changing the direction of the current in a looped electrode could provide the same effect but without the current drops using this new 'electrical current'.
Doom
QUOTE(Arch~Angel @ Jun 14 2006, 07:30 AM) [snapback]1230189[/snapback]

It is not like 'switched DC'.


So your saying that its a DC but if vibrates like Ac?
RabidCat
According to the 'laws' of electronics, this cannot be accurate. Maxwellian 'laws' prohibit variations in the H field without fluctuation in the E field.
However...
Standard dogma excludes certain findings of more than a century ago, notably Heaviside and Poynting, who discovered constant output of energy unaccounted for by Maxwell et al. This is generally ignored (we don't quite know what to do with it).
That of which you speak could possibly be a manifestation of higher group symmetry (Barrett, Evans, and Vigier), advocated primarily by Sachs unified field theory.
Lee and Yang predicted broken symmetry (Nobel c. 1957), and Wu et al proved same. Could be some manifestation of this also, or perhaps Sachs includes this in his unified theory. Have to read up on that myself.
Magnetics and electron drift are thoroughly misunderstood. Among my own experience is that fields don't just go away when generated by flow in a wire: current can be generated by fluctuating fields in a transformer where the secondary will supply (within the limits of the primary source) whatever it can. However, the current flow/field generation within the primary is a different critter altogether, and must be dealt with in a different manner than the secondary. One can remove the load from a secondary with no consequence, but if using a switched primary (as in switching power supply), the H field MUST be dealt with through some form of direction.
Could be something to do with fluctuating fields sans fluctuating current, based on Sachs and the others.
Brian McMalley
I wonder how this will revolutionize things?
RabidCat
QUOTE(Brian McMalley @ Jun 14 2006, 12:14 PM) [snapback]1231321[/snapback]

I wonder how this will revolutionize things?

It won't.
Not until the scientists come to their senses.
There are too many who think the standard 'laws' and theories are altogether valid. Further, they don't account for the fringe findings under fear of excommunication from their fields. Such happened to Tesla and Laithewaite.
It is factual, however, that much research has been and is being done in fields of free energy, magnetics, and vacuum energy conversion. Unfortunately, those researches must be funded individually. The fact is that the economics of fuels is prophylactic to such research. If we cut into the profits from oil, the research will not be supported.
What science seems to misunderstand (I speak generally, to those who say you can't get something for nothing) is that there is vacuum energy, there is magnetic energy, and those two items are usable. It seems that Bearden has done exactly that with his variation of a magamp. The research is available at the MEG site, and it works and is provable by experimentation, if not by math and physics.
Don't believe? Try and convince someone that Bearden's generator actually works.
Arch~Angel
QUOTE(Brian McMalley @ Jun 14 2006, 02:14 PM) [snapback]1231321[/snapback]

I wonder how this will revolutionize things?


Scientists and engineers will look back to where people said 'hey, lets try this!', and the reply was 'you can't because you have to use DC'.

Don't expect the result to be faster computers, or cheaper TV's.

Maybe a more efficient Ionic Breeze, or integrating components in high voltage applications that had to be kept apart before.

But the mindset created by the establishment just might hinder progress.

I have been discussing this at other forums, and some people are outright attacking the idea.

People claiming to have an education are the strongest voices mocking and even insulting.

I admit it took me some time to see what was happening in the system, but now that I do it is clear.

But first I had to forget some of what I learned when I earned my BSEE....
Arch~Angel
http://artpad.art.com/gallery/?ivwok27luvg

A neat motion diagram that shows what is going. I know its hard to see what is so special about it, and this should help.

RabidCat
QUOTE(Arch~Angel @ Jun 14 2006, 03:12 PM) [snapback]1231590[/snapback]

Scientists and engineers will look back to where people said 'hey, lets try this!', and the reply was 'you can't because you have to use DC'.

Don't expect the result to be faster computers, or cheaper TV's.

Maybe a more efficient Ionic Breeze, or integrating components in high voltage applications that had to be kept apart before.

But the mindset created by the establishment just might hinder progress.

I have been discussing this at other forums, and some people are outright attacking the idea.

People claiming to have an education are the strongest voices mocking and even insulting.

I admit it took me some time to see what was happening in the system, but now that I do it is clear.

But first I had to forget some of what I learned when I earned my BSEE....

Hah! Another fallen EE!! Did that myself. I just kept the EE part separate from the weird part and kept going.
Arch, you say you're an EE. Take a look at this about Bearden:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/meg/meg.htm
And there are other little items that are quite interesting.
Commentary is requested.
Arch~Angel
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Commentary is requested.


http://jnaudin.free.fr/meg/ths720p.htm

The classic formula for True Power i.e. (RMS volts X RMS current X Cos Theta) is VALID ONLY WHEN THE VOLTAGE AND CURRENT SIGNALS ARE PURE SINUSOIDS.

If it were an overuinity system it would be possible to close the loop, and power a device without adding more energy.

This has not been done.

Bearden created a system that would cause digital meters to show what would appear to be overunity.
Arch~Angel
The invention may thus be characterized as a method and apparatus of generating multi-directional currents in a medium by reversing the direction of electron flow in at least one of a pair of electrodes. If the voltages applied to the electrodes are DC voltages, then the multi-directional currents have characteristics of DC currents, and if the voltages applied to the electrodes are two or three phase AC voltages, then the multi-directional currents have characteristics of AC currents. However, unlike conventional DC and AC currents, the currents generated by the method and apparatus of the invention move or rotate. If the electrodes are one-dimensional wires, then the currents rotate in two-directions. If the electrodes themselves move, or extend over two or three-dimensions, for example a plane or a curved plane, then the currents will move in three-dimension


Continued with Images, and applications...

http://www.rexresearch.com/sullivan/sullivan.htm
Arch~Angel
http://www.upload2.net/page/download/NlCMe...m/SDC-vs-DC.pdf

Here is a new diagram.
Arch~Angel
http://www.upload2.net/page/download/npxEz...Q/SDC2.pdf.html

New diagram from Mr. Sullivan.
Arch~Angel
http://www.upload2.net/page/download/Wfkv2...J/SDC4.pdf.html

A new diagram I just received from Mr. Sullivan. I hope this helps explain better what is happening in the system.
Arch~Angel
It helps if you try to forget what you CAN'T do with typical AC and DC circuits.

Lets use figure 12 from the patent for discussion to avoid confusion:
rexresearch.com/sullivan/fig12.jpg

QUOTE
From the Patent:
The multi-directional electric currents have the effect of accelerating processes that rely on interaction between a current and the medium that carries the current, and of eliminating asymmetries that can lead to scaling or premature wear in batteries and other electrolytic systems. The medium that carries the multi-dimensional currents may be an electrolyte, gas, gel, semiconductor, or any other medium capable of carrying current between two electrodes, and having at least two dimensions so as to enable variation in the current direction.
...................................
If the voltages applied to the electrodes are DC voltages, then the multi-directional currents have characteristics of DC currents, and if the voltages applied to the electrodes are two or three phase AC voltages, then the multi-directional currents have characteristics of AC currents. However, unlike conventional DC and AC currents, the currents generated by the method and apparatus of the invention move or rotate. If the electrodes are one-dimensional wires, then the currents rotate in two-directions. If the electrodes themselves move, or extend over two or three-dimensions, for example a plane or a curved plane, then the currents will move in three-dimensions.


SDC requires at least one extra PHYSICAL dimension in the current path which is the fluid electrolyte[Water + Electrolyte]. Through wires you can only have AC or DC in their various forms. SDC has characteristics that are found in both AC and DC that would seem to be mutally exclusive, and they are in a single dimensional circuit.

In figure 12 you see two wires. One is connected to the two positive terminals, and the other to the two negative terminals. The four switches are alternated 180 degrees out of phase. In the first half of the cycle current flows from one pole through the wire, then through the coil to all points where conductor is touching the fluid medium, then across the medium to the other wire, and on to the opposing pole. At no time are there any more than two poles with a switch closed. In the second half of the cycle the current path is the same except that its coming from the opposite end of the wire.

Think of the coil as having two single dimensional connections, and one multi-dimensional connection. Through the connection between the two power supply poles you have AC current without changing polarity. Through the connection between the poles and the medium you have DC current[in single dimensional terms. Actually its SDC].

Through the coil the direction of the current flow changes, but polarity never changes. Through the medium the current flow between anode and cathode never reverses, but its physical direction through the medium does change. It sort of sways back and forth without reversing direction. In absolute terms using one dimensional measurments you have continuous DC current flow between anode and cathode. It has all the properties of DC, but since the current flow though the medium is changing directions the current takes on the magnetic properties of AC current.

You only need to change the direction, not reverse directions.

It is DC with a property normally associated with AC.

And it is AC with a property normally associated with DC.

The effect cannot be reproduced with AC or DC. The properties are mutually exclusive in those systems. The new physical dimension in the circuit allows the current to possess an additional electrical property.

If you are having a hard time understanding don't feel bad. I can't begin to do even the simplest parts of the math, but I can visualize what is happening in my mind.

And I think 3DC [implying new dimensions] might be a better term, but Mr. Sullivan might not like the idea.

Michael
Arch~Angel
ADD:

SDC current through the electrolyte in the example also carries a time component even though flow is continuous DC in single dimensional terms.

In other designs the current allows other combinations of properties that are mutually exclusive to AC and DC.

You can have your cake, and eat it too.
Arch~Angel
QUOTE(swansont)
No, it doesn't. The polarity, as defined in the drawing that notes that the voltmeter never changes sign, meaning it's the same polarity. Change the alternating voltage by less than V[sub]offset[/sub].


Polarity does not change, but the direction of current through the coil does change by changing its origin.

user posted image

In a one dimensional world the only way to change direction is to reverse direction, but thats not true in a multi-dimensional world.

The change in current direction through the coil-electrode is accomplished by switching which end of the wire is connected to the anode or cathode, but current flow between electrodes across the fluid medium does not reverse directions. Anode and Cathode do not switch, but direction does change. Current flow through the wire changes direction without changing polarity, and curent flow through the fluid medium does not reverse direction.

A wire may be a single dimensional current path, but an electrode is not, and neither is a fluid medium capable of carrying current such as water with an electrolyte added. Think of the path as everything between origin, and destination. The path of the flow changes, but the origin and destination do not switch. It goes from the same place to the same place, but leaves and arrives by different paths. In a solid circuit the path never changes.

You can't change origin and destination without switching polarity with either DC or AC. The four wires from the SDC power supply allow changing both origin and destination through a fluid medium capable of conducting current without switching polarity. Its not AC because anode, and Cathode never switch, and its not DC because origin and destination do change.

Its all about controling and using the additional dimensions of a fluid medium. While the nature of fluid conduction is understood controling it through switching without reversing polarity is new and unique.

The point is that, the way the four terminals are switched, the current WITHIN ONE ELECTRODE reverses direction, and has zero average value at the center. At the same time, the voltage BETWEEN ELECTRODES is a constant DC value (ignoring switching transients). Thus “multidirectional DC” refers simultaneously to the multidirectional intra-electrode current and the single direction inter-electrode current.
Arch~Angel
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Wrong thread!
MrVelvet
Does anyone know what the waveform looks like?...I'd be interested to see this on an o'scope. It would answer alot of questions.. alien.gif
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