I thought it would be valuable to start a thread detailing relevant information pertaining to 9/11 conspiracy theories which both sides of the CT fence actually agree on, because:
1. I believe that it would be an enlightening exercise for both sides.
2. It would be good to have as a source of reference within other 9/11 threads.
3. Far too many 9/11 threads currently dissolve into extended bouts of name calling. It would be constructive to have at least one thread where that didn't happen.
Please refrain from posts such as "WTC7 was demolished by explosives" or "WTC7 was destroyed by fire", as these are quite obviously not going to get the full agreement of both CT's and Skeptics alike. Also, please include at least one credible source (i.e. a source that both sides of the fence will consider as credible).
Focus on subjects where there is common agreement, such as:
#1. July 24th 2001 - The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey announce their decision to privatize the management and operation of the World Trade Center.
Source: The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey Press Centre
OK. Fingers crossed. Let's give this a try...
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This is a great idea. In fact one that I wanted to start myself.
We need to come together, and find some common ground. To much arguing back and forth, is unhealthy. I will do my best to keep this as civil as possible.
U.S. OK’d plan
to topple Taliban
a day before 9/11
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4585010/
That's right, 9/11 was not the reason we went into Afganistan, it only provided us the justification to get the public's support.
Another is the fact that the U.S. military was running drills of hijacked passenger planes being flown into buildings at the same time it was really happening. What a coincidance. George Bush, as well as Condi Rice were on record saying that no one in the government imagined terrorists flying planes into buildings, yet they were running a drill on 9/11 of that exact scenerio.
everyone watch this video from ABC news about the drills on 9/11 and Bush saying no one in the government could envison this happening. This is classic. Click on the picture.
We need to come together, and find some common ground. To much arguing back and forth, is unhealthy. I will do my best to keep this as civil as possible.
U.S. OK’d plan
to topple Taliban
a day before 9/11
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4585010/
That's right, 9/11 was not the reason we went into Afganistan, it only provided us the justification to get the public's support.
Another is the fact that the U.S. military was running drills of hijacked passenger planes being flown into buildings at the same time it was really happening. What a coincidance. George Bush, as well as Condi Rice were on record saying that no one in the government imagined terrorists flying planes into buildings, yet they were running a drill on 9/11 of that exact scenerio.
everyone watch this video from ABC news about the drills on 9/11 and Bush saying no one in the government could envison this happening. This is classic. Click on the picture.
There where definetly two plans I was there I saw it in person. Now as far as what kind of planes I dont know On the streets of newyork that day you just say the second plane streak by.
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9/11: Debunking The Myths
PM examines the evidence and consults the experts to refute the most persistent conspiracy theories of September 11.
Published in the March, 2005 issue.
FROM THE MOMENT the first airplane crashed into the World Trade Center on the morning of September 11, 2001, the world has asked one simple and compelling question: How could it happen?
PM examines the evidence and consults the experts to refute the most persistent conspiracy theories of September 11.
Published in the March, 2005 issue.
FROM THE MOMENT the first airplane crashed into the World Trade Center on the morning of September 11, 2001, the world has asked one simple and compelling question: How could it happen?
9/11: Debunking The Myths
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9-11 Conspiracy Fact & Fiction
by William F. Jasper
May 2, 2005
An abundance of sensational and irrational conjecture about the September 11 terrorist attacks is being used to discredit any consideration of conspiracy in general. [UPDATE, May 23, 2005. Here are selected articles from The New American's archives challenging the ?official? position on 9/11: ?Did We Know What Was Coming?? in the March 11, 2002 issue of TNA; ?Foreknowledge and Failure? in our June 17, 2002 issue; ?Experts Challenge the 9/11 Report,? in our October 4, 2004 issue; and ?Agents Challenge 9/11 Commission? in our October 18, 2004 issue.]
by William F. Jasper
May 2, 2005
An abundance of sensational and irrational conjecture about the September 11 terrorist attacks is being used to discredit any consideration of conspiracy in general. [UPDATE, May 23, 2005. Here are selected articles from The New American's archives challenging the ?official? position on 9/11: ?Did We Know What Was Coming?? in the March 11, 2002 issue of TNA; ?Foreknowledge and Failure? in our June 17, 2002 issue; ?Experts Challenge the 9/11 Report,? in our October 4, 2004 issue; and ?Agents Challenge 9/11 Commission? in our October 18, 2004 issue.]
9-11 Conspiracy Fact & Fiction
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In a special investigation the fifth estate's Bob McKeown finds that even the most outlandish conspiracy theory may have its basis in a legitimate question. In the course of separating fact from fiction, Bob delves into the labyrinthine and surprising ties between the Bushes and the Bin Ladens. What he finds out may startle you as much as any conspiracy theory.
the fifth estate: Conspiracy Theories
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U.S. Military Wanted to Provoke War With Cuba
Book: U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War With Cuba
N E W Y O R K, May 1, 2001 In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.
Book: U.S. Military Drafted Plans to Terrorize U.S. Cities to Provoke War With Cuba
N E W Y O R K, May 1, 2001 In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.
U.S. Military Wanted to Provoke War With Cuba
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Six myths of 9/11
What you think you know about Sept. 11 but don’t
By David Plotz
Slate.com
Updated: 8:43 a.m. ET Sept 9, 2003
Sept. 10 - The Saudi government paid off al-Qaida in exchange for immunity from terror attacks. Saudi princes knew in advance about the Sept. 11 attacks. Most of the Saudi officials who assisted al-Qaida all died mysteriously soon thereafter. The revelations in Gerald Posner’s new book Why America Slept are an astonishing reminder of just how much we still don’t know about Sept. 11 and its planning.
What you think you know about Sept. 11 but don’t
By David Plotz
Slate.com
Updated: 8:43 a.m. ET Sept 9, 2003
Sept. 10 - The Saudi government paid off al-Qaida in exchange for immunity from terror attacks. Saudi princes knew in advance about the Sept. 11 attacks. Most of the Saudi officials who assisted al-Qaida all died mysteriously soon thereafter. The revelations in Gerald Posner’s new book Why America Slept are an astonishing reminder of just how much we still don’t know about Sept. 11 and its planning.
Six myths of 9/11
What You Think You Know About Sept. 11 … … but don't.
Lets try to take this one point at a time, otherwise this will just turn into another 9/11 thread, with everyone bombarding the other side with info to prove thier point of view.
Although many in America have seen this man on TV as being one of the 19 hijackers, he was falsely accused, and is still alive today.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm
Although many in America have seen this man on TV as being one of the 19 hijackers, he was falsely accused, and is still alive today.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm
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Lets try to take this one point at a time, otherwise this will just turn into another 9/11 thread, with everyone bombarding the other side with info to prove thier point of view.
Although many in America have seen this man on TV as being one of the 19 hijackers, he was falsely accused, and is still alive today.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm
Scoob..YOU'RE steering the thread to the usual path with that post.
He wasn't falsely accused..he was misidentified...thats what criminals do,commit crimes using aliases or the identities of others. Does this surprise you?
I agree that we should limit each post to a single point at a time.
Sometimes the difference between viewpoints is a single word - in this case "accused" and "misidentified".
Hopefully, both sides willl be comfortable with:
#2: 23rd March 2004 - The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States report reveals that a three phase plan aimed at forcing the Afghanistan Taliban to expel bin Laden and culminating in direct action to overthrow the regime if necessary, was agreed by senior Bush officials on Sept. 10, 2001.
Source: MSNBC
#3: 23rd September 2001 - The BBC reports that the identities of four of the 19 suspects named by the FBI as hijackers in the suicide attacks on Washington and New York are now in doubt.
Source: BBC News
Sometimes the difference between viewpoints is a single word - in this case "accused" and "misidentified".
Hopefully, both sides willl be comfortable with:
#2: 23rd March 2004 - The National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States report reveals that a three phase plan aimed at forcing the Afghanistan Taliban to expel bin Laden and culminating in direct action to overthrow the regime if necessary, was agreed by senior Bush officials on Sept. 10, 2001.
Source: MSNBC
#3: 23rd September 2001 - The BBC reports that the identities of four of the 19 suspects named by the FBI as hijackers in the suicide attacks on Washington and New York are now in doubt.
Source: BBC News
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