Dang that IS a beautiful ring ivy

Forgot about this thread, sorry coldethyl, wasn't ignoring you.
I agree with most of it... but again it's not something I concentrate on. The "devil" is in Alot of things.... meh *shrugs shoulders*
It's like the hand sign ppl worry about, I *do* think there's something to it, but heck I still do it. Smoking... my body's a temple to The Lord, but I smoke like an industrial chimney (an not just cigarettes...)
So many things... I'm not sure how to put it... maybe "You *Can* drown in a cup of water."
Now some would freak out (like many see the site as) and avoid all water because you can drown in it. Some (the opposite of the site) get uppity and say that's insane-o to drown in a cup of water...
I say, both are right. The site is correct in much of what it says, but there's so many other things that are more important. Things like that can be "overpowered"... but it doesn't mean the subtility is non-exsistant.
Like the Colors threads. Color Does have an effect on people, But... it can be overpowered by other circumstances. You Can get hot in a "cool" colored room.
So color has an effect, and it doesn't. Same as this, and the other things.
Origins are important (apple from which tree, honey came from a dead what?, parental genetics, etc...)
I also agree that some people really want others to be miserable and will use religion to justify their own selfish morality.
All my opinion the way I see it, not asking anyone to believe or agree with me.
Edit: Pie > Cake