Can children see and sense more than adults? I ask this because I have noticed things that my son has said to me since he was about 5 yrs. I do not and never have encouraged what he says he knows and sees. I am sort of a skeptic but willing to learn and understand.
Full Version: Do children have a 6th sense?
hmmm... I have heard many accounts of that. Here is one example: One of my bosses, who is quite the conservative & practical individual I might add, actually pondered that very thing you do. He told me how his young son has this "invisible" friend who is an indian. Now from what I understand invisible "friends" can be common... but his son provides him with intimate details of this particular indian culture to the point where it's impossible for the kid to know this information (my boss did some research on the subject)... Apparently it doesnt come from school nor anything he could catch on tv or anything in his environment... What could it be? A really in-depth imagination? A ghost? Past Life?
Children have such active imaginations. One never knows where they get ideas from. This is why I normally attribute anything I can't explain to coincidence. I am sure I am wrong for thinking this way. Hopefully no one here will be mad at me for saying that. 
Don't really know anything about this but I've heard before that babies,or little kids are much better with thier mind ability,I meant like esp because they could concentrate much better than adults,well because we do lots of thinking (bla blas)everyday while they don't do that too much so basically thier concentration is much easier to achieve than us trying to do it.
Children, the younger they are the more they can see and pick up on, babies for instance seem to be able to 'see' ghosts and other things around them that adults can not, just as babies are all synaesthesiasts, which means they can see sounds and hear colours.
The chances are that as babies we have a 6th sense that we grow out of as we grow older, as we learn to talk and learn other things and ways to communicate. Only a very small percentage of people keep this 6th sense and they turn out to be mediums and psychics.
The chances are that as babies we have a 6th sense that we grow out of as we grow older, as we learn to talk and learn other things and ways to communicate. Only a very small percentage of people keep this 6th sense and they turn out to be mediums and psychics.
i dont know about children, but i think animals have a sense. im sure this has been talked about, but we had a cat that i think could see things. my mom said it just had a good imagination, but the things it did were a little crazy for it to be all in the cats head. it would lay in our dining room and swat at something, then take off across the floor and then spin back around like it was going to break its back, and jump and slam into stuff. it was crazy. i loved to watch it. but then it would follow whatever it was with its eyes and all of the sudden it would be looking above my head, that creaped me out. then all around in front of me and stuff. i would try to follow where it was looking, but i never saw anything. maybe the cat was crazy, OR MAYBE IT WASNT 
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| QUOTE (CASTOR @ Oct 15 2003, 01:41 PM) |
| it would lay in our dining room and swat at something, then take off across the floor and then spin back around like it was going to break its back, and jump and slam into stuff. it was crazy. i loved to watch it. but then it would follow whatever it was with its eyes and all of the sudden it would be looking above my head, that creaped me out. then all around in front of me and stuff. i would try to follow where it was looking, but i never saw anything. maybe the cat was crazy, OR MAYBE IT WASNT CASTOR |
hehe... thats how my cat would react if it was sitting too close to us while we "puffed".
lmao @ pappagooch 
My Mom said that when I was very young I would ask her questions like, What happened to my wife, or where was I when I was dead. They could have just been questions that I came up with from hearing people talking about different things. Maybe around the time of my Grandmother's funeral.
I don't remember being married or a past life now, but as a child who knows.
I don't remember being married or a past life now, but as a child who knows.
This might not make much sense. I can't really explain it, but...
Remember that feeling you get when you start something long over again? When I was little, I remember always getting that feeling.
Remember that feeling you get when you start something long over again? When I was little, I remember always getting that feeling.
How do birds know to fly south, how do salmon know to swim back to where they used to live, or turtles know to lay their eggs in the sand instead of having them at sea? Instinct, just as a baby has the instinct to suckle and to move and to learn how to talk, to watch and mimic. Instinct is passed on from generation to generation, memories from a previous generation, of what is learned. So if your ancestor was attacked by a dog, or stung by a bee then that will be passed on to you. This is all those so called past lives are, people tapping into the memories of some dead ancestor, same with the invisible friends.
| QUOTE (Diamond JO @ Oct 16 2003, 12:41 AM) |
| How do birds know to fly south, how do salmon know to swim back to where they used to live, or turtles know to lay their eggs in the sand instead of having them at sea? Instinct, just as a baby has the instinct to suckle and to move and to learn how to talk, to watch and mimic. Instinct is passed on from generation to generation, memories from a previous generation, of what is learned. So if your ancestor was attacked by a dog, or stung by a bee then that will be passed on to you. This is all those so called past lives are, people tapping into the memories of some dead ancestor, same with the invisible friends. |
I don't know if I really believe that memories can be "inherited", if that is what you mean. Instinct is more along the lines of the need to survive. But I guess instinct could me made up of tiny bits of memory, so you may be right.
Someone smarter than me needs to come and explain the difference between memories and instinct.
Memories - an actual event that occured, and that you experienced, that you can recall.
Instinct - a conditioned responce to a set of circumstances or conditions. These are usually natural responces, based on how our brain is wired. They have nothing to do with memory...memory induces a thought out responce to a situation based on experience, instinct is subconscious.
Instinct - a conditioned responce to a set of circumstances or conditions. These are usually natural responces, based on how our brain is wired. They have nothing to do with memory...memory induces a thought out responce to a situation based on experience, instinct is subconscious.
Seraphina, you hit the nail right on the head. Instinct can also be called, reflexs in some cases. i am in Learning psychology right now and we are teaching rats to bar press, and i tell you what, it is harder than i thought. well, i guess not harder, but more time consuming. we have to know everything about cognition, Pavlov, Descartes, Darwin,..... almost everyone that did anything to do with the learning process. its fun though.
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Actually....I think you'll find reflexes and instincts are pretty different 
A reflex is a sudden, and involentary responce to protect the body from danger and damage...such as blinking when looking into a bright light, grabbing your hand back from something hot, or jumping away from a sudden unexpected movement. It's a muscle reaction, and has absolutely nothing to do with the brain, skipping out thought processes completely.
Instinct is usually a very long responce to a situation, that covers far greater scope than a reflex...you couln't exactly call a bird flying to warmer climates in winter a 'reflex' action. The brain actually has to consider the actions to be taken on a subconscious level, rather than the instant reaction of a reflex, where the time taken to think what to do might endanger the organism.
A reflex is a sudden, and involentary responce to protect the body from danger and damage...such as blinking when looking into a bright light, grabbing your hand back from something hot, or jumping away from a sudden unexpected movement. It's a muscle reaction, and has absolutely nothing to do with the brain, skipping out thought processes completely.
Instinct is usually a very long responce to a situation, that covers far greater scope than a reflex...you couln't exactly call a bird flying to warmer climates in winter a 'reflex' action. The brain actually has to consider the actions to be taken on a subconscious level, rather than the instant reaction of a reflex, where the time taken to think what to do might endanger the organism.
| QUOTE (Seraphina @ Oct 16 2003, 08:30 PM) |
| It's a muscle reaction, and has absolutely nothing to do with the brain, skipping out thought processes completely. |
I thought all muscle reactions were controlled by the brain? Even in a reflex test, doesn't electrical impulses from the brain tell the knee to kick, or is it just bypassing the brain altogether? I'm not a doctor, so I don't really know.
You explained everything very well though! Keep it up, it's good stuff.
a reflex comes from the spinal cord. the stimulus travels to the spinal cord and then the reaction traves back to the muscle for a response. the spinal cord transmits the info to the brain as it gets the stimulus. so the reaction is occuring before or about the same time the brain finds out about it. its really crazy, but i love to study stuff like this.
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| QUOTE (Seraphina @ Oct 16 2003, 03:31 PM) |
| Memories - an actual event that occured, and that you experienced, that you can recall. Instinct - a conditioned responce to a set of circumstances or conditions. These are usually natural responces, based on how our brain is wired. They have nothing to do with memory...memory induces a thought out responce to a situation based on experience, instinct is subconscious. |
Memory: the part on your computer that stores information. To remember something such as where did we go when it got cold and other conditioned responses
Instinct: information that is passed on from generation to generation
[QUOTE]Instinct - a conditioned responce to a set of circumstances or conditions.
Do you not understand what the word conditoned means?
So where exactly do your animals get their instinct from, if they are not passed on? They just all decide to fly south for the winter because it seems like a good idea? How do they know not to eat cane toads? Of course information is passed on from generation to generation. You can believe in spooks and all the other nonsense, but anything that is based on rational ideas and you cant cope. Reality is far more interesting than chasing rainbows.
...*blinks*...are you actually trying to attack a biology student, who probably knows more about this than you do? Or perhaps you simply think I can't cope with 'rational ideas', because you lack the patience and understanding to actually read what I posted properly...I see this requires putting things even closer to ground level, so allow me to simplify it even more, just for you 
Yes, instinct is information that is passed on in a sense...however, it is not passed on through memory, but rather certain gene sequences that cause an animal to behave in a certain manner.
The reason they exist in every generation without need of an organism actually experiencing an event beforehand is they inherit the genes that cause them to react in this way from their parents, who in turn inherited it from their parents, and so on and so forth...
As with all natural selection, the ancestors of modern creatures that did not have these genes did not survive to reproduce, and so only these 'good genes' were passed on.
I never once disputed that instinct was not a passed on trait...I said it was about how an organisms brain was genetically wired to a undergo a certain responce. I said memory was not passed on, since memory is stored in a certain area of the brain, not in the chromosomes, it is impossible for it to be passed on from parent to child.
Since we're on the subject of reality, the next time you decide to start insulting me over trying to answer the question of another member using an established, scientific explanation, perhaps you should think a little harder before you do. I don't enjoy having to break down my answer into a boring, step-by-step process for the benefit of people who refuse to accept it the first time.
Yes, instinct is information that is passed on in a sense...however, it is not passed on through memory, but rather certain gene sequences that cause an animal to behave in a certain manner.
The reason they exist in every generation without need of an organism actually experiencing an event beforehand is they inherit the genes that cause them to react in this way from their parents, who in turn inherited it from their parents, and so on and so forth...
As with all natural selection, the ancestors of modern creatures that did not have these genes did not survive to reproduce, and so only these 'good genes' were passed on.
I never once disputed that instinct was not a passed on trait...I said it was about how an organisms brain was genetically wired to a undergo a certain responce. I said memory was not passed on, since memory is stored in a certain area of the brain, not in the chromosomes, it is impossible for it to be passed on from parent to child.
Since we're on the subject of reality, the next time you decide to start insulting me over trying to answer the question of another member using an established, scientific explanation, perhaps you should think a little harder before you do. I don't enjoy having to break down my answer into a boring, step-by-step process for the benefit of people who refuse to accept it the first time.
| QUOTE (Diamond JO @ Oct 17 2003, 09:30 AM) |
| You can believe in spooks and all the other nonsense, but anything that is based on rational ideas and you cant cope. Reality is far more interesting than chasing rainbows. |
There is nothing I hate more people that make snap judgements on others. This person just assumed that because Seraphina was posting on a forum called "Unexplained Mysteries" that her arguement would be ridiculous and based solely on "spooks and other nonsense". This person is so negative that all he wanted to do was argue his point that there is no such things as paranormal happenings that he didn't even bother to read her posts. I understood everything that she said, and I don't think that that is because I, too, am a biology student. Think before you attack.
this topic reminded me of a 3 year old my mum had taken care of a few years back...
her name was Raven, and she would always scare the bejeezuz out of me, because of the things she would say...
she always spoke about a "mean lady" or "bad lady" and she also mentioned a "nice one" named "Michael"...whenever anyone would ask who they were she would whisper, "shhh, the mean lady might hear..." Thinking she was just playing a game everyone would play along.
One day my mum saw her under the dining room table, and she asked her, "what are you doing, Raven?" and she replied, "Michael told me to hide from the bad lady." My mum began to get apprehensive because she clearly saw that Raven was upset, so she then asked her, "where is the bad lady?"
My mum said Raven pointed to the doorway of the basement and said, "she went down there..." Because she had to get some laundry done anyways, my mother decided to go down to the basement with Raven and show her that noone was down there. As they went down the basement, my mother said Raven was talking to "Michael" all the way down the stairs. Apparently she was telling "Michael" to watch out for the "mean lady" and let her know when she comes back. Upon hearing this, my mum got freaked out, but when about loading the washer and dryer. However, my mum's task was cut short because she became aware of a terrible smell of rotten eggs and dead animals(this is how she described the smell to me) All of a sudden Raven says to my mother, "Uh oh, she's here, but dont worry, Michael is here too." Then a few seconds later, Raven replies, "Oh she's gone, its okay..." It was right then that my mother noticed the smell was gone...
My mother was too freaked out to gather her wits, so she just ran up the stairs with Raven in her arms...
This event might not seem very odd, but a few days later I was doing a project on Saint Joan of Arc and so I had various books scattered about the table. Raven grabbed one and started flipping the pages and said, "Look its Michael!" I got up and looked at the picture she was showing me and saw before me a painting of Saint Michael the Archangel...
this was enough to freak me out
her name was Raven, and she would always scare the bejeezuz out of me, because of the things she would say...
she always spoke about a "mean lady" or "bad lady" and she also mentioned a "nice one" named "Michael"...whenever anyone would ask who they were she would whisper, "shhh, the mean lady might hear..." Thinking she was just playing a game everyone would play along.
One day my mum saw her under the dining room table, and she asked her, "what are you doing, Raven?" and she replied, "Michael told me to hide from the bad lady." My mum began to get apprehensive because she clearly saw that Raven was upset, so she then asked her, "where is the bad lady?"
My mum said Raven pointed to the doorway of the basement and said, "she went down there..." Because she had to get some laundry done anyways, my mother decided to go down to the basement with Raven and show her that noone was down there. As they went down the basement, my mother said Raven was talking to "Michael" all the way down the stairs. Apparently she was telling "Michael" to watch out for the "mean lady" and let her know when she comes back. Upon hearing this, my mum got freaked out, but when about loading the washer and dryer. However, my mum's task was cut short because she became aware of a terrible smell of rotten eggs and dead animals(this is how she described the smell to me) All of a sudden Raven says to my mother, "Uh oh, she's here, but dont worry, Michael is here too." Then a few seconds later, Raven replies, "Oh she's gone, its okay..." It was right then that my mother noticed the smell was gone...
My mother was too freaked out to gather her wits, so she just ran up the stairs with Raven in her arms...
This event might not seem very odd, but a few days later I was doing a project on Saint Joan of Arc and so I had various books scattered about the table. Raven grabbed one and started flipping the pages and said, "Look its Michael!" I got up and looked at the picture she was showing me and saw before me a painting of Saint Michael the Archangel...
this was enough to freak me out
If I offended you Seraphina, I didn't mean to. Was just asking a question about something I didn't know. You can probably tell I'm not a Biologist, I'm a Sheetrocker. 
20 years ago the world was told we need to wear sunscreen. Now 20 years later, we are told that the sunscreen doesnt block out the UV rays that do the damage. So please dont insult my intelligence by quoting from books as if they are the gospel truth. Half the world of science belives in black holes, the other half doesnt, some believe that a meteor killed the dinosaurs while others dont, some belive in big bangs while others believe in string or cosmic dust. So whatever you are or think you are is irrelevant, I wouldnt care if you were a professor or the reincarnation of Einstein.
There were no insults, so if you felt offended then it is most likely a bruised ego. It was your interpretaion of what I had said that was wrong, and that comes down to your desire to see one point of view over another, i.e you are biased so you misinterpret. Memory is stored in every cell in your body, even though the primary place we acknowledge as the centre for memory storage is the brain. Science is a very slow, clumsy and primitive medium, relying on picking things to peices and expecting the evidence to supply the answer rather than using a logical thinking process.
Any one can say what something isnt. It isnt a UFO, its a weather balloon, its a an aircraft. This doesnt mean it cant be true because all you have done is show alternatives, i.e opinion. The only way to know for sure is to try to prove it correct, if you are not doing that then you are just chasing rainbows, searching for what you want to believe and avoiding the possibility that your belief is the wrong one.
You confused memory with memories. So instead of wasting your time quoting from a book, try thinking outside the square and think for yourself.
[QUOTE]The reason they exist in every generation without need of an organism actually experiencing an event beforehand is they inherit the genes that cause them to react in this way from their parents, who in turn inherited it from their parents, and so on and so forth...
Certainly genes are passed on, however the information contained in genes are learned responses. An animal learns not to eat cane toads because it gets sick and then that information is passed on, it isnt just born with a natural knowledge not to eat cane toads. Therefore it is stored onformation, therefore it is memory.
There were no insults, so if you felt offended then it is most likely a bruised ego. It was your interpretaion of what I had said that was wrong, and that comes down to your desire to see one point of view over another, i.e you are biased so you misinterpret. Memory is stored in every cell in your body, even though the primary place we acknowledge as the centre for memory storage is the brain. Science is a very slow, clumsy and primitive medium, relying on picking things to peices and expecting the evidence to supply the answer rather than using a logical thinking process.
Any one can say what something isnt. It isnt a UFO, its a weather balloon, its a an aircraft. This doesnt mean it cant be true because all you have done is show alternatives, i.e opinion. The only way to know for sure is to try to prove it correct, if you are not doing that then you are just chasing rainbows, searching for what you want to believe and avoiding the possibility that your belief is the wrong one.
You confused memory with memories. So instead of wasting your time quoting from a book, try thinking outside the square and think for yourself.
[QUOTE]The reason they exist in every generation without need of an organism actually experiencing an event beforehand is they inherit the genes that cause them to react in this way from their parents, who in turn inherited it from their parents, and so on and so forth...
Certainly genes are passed on, however the information contained in genes are learned responses. An animal learns not to eat cane toads because it gets sick and then that information is passed on, it isnt just born with a natural knowledge not to eat cane toads. Therefore it is stored onformation, therefore it is memory.
| QUOTE (fruitcakesanonymous @ Oct 18 2003, 04:24 AM) |
| The only way to know for sure is to try to prove it correct, if you are not doing that then you are just chasing rainbows, searching for what you want to believe and avoiding the possibility that your belief is the wrong one. You confused memory with memories. So instead of wasting your time quoting from a book, try thinking outside the square and think for yourself. |
And I think you're confusing logic for getting flustered and angry, trying to argue your case in a manner that's about as fluent as a drunk trying to make sense of Das Kapital.
You're arguing against the theories I quote by saying "they're not proven! Now I'll huff, and I'll puff..." While your theories are little more than a mixture of hot air, and frustration at being treated like an idiot in my previous post. What, exactly has proven your theories? Given that what I'm saying has been researched, investigated, and refined over the course of years...yours has sprung up out of your own head, has about as much weight behind it as a thrown feather, and you seem to think it's true, just because you said so
Perhaps, if you actually do what you're preaching, and "go out and prove" your theories, I might actually hold them in greater regard...however until you stop doing nothing but blowing hot air, kindly don't waste my time, and go out and get an education. You'll likely find that these 'books' you seem to despise are written by people who are significantly more intelligent than you are.
And so are the people that read them...
If you're going to actually argue that memory can be passed on to a child, let's go ahead and argue that other things that have absolutely nothing to do with genes can be passed on..."Hey, I lost a leg in a car crash! Oh dear god! What if this injury is stored in my cells, and passed on to my children! Shock! Horror!"[/
So what colour is the sky in your world?
gonzowalker - no offence at all, happy to help
[[QUOTE]are you actually trying to attack a biology student, who probably knows more about this than you do?]
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There is nothing I hate more people that make snap judgements on others. This person just assumed that because Seraphina was posting on a forum called "Unexplained Mysteries" that her arguement would be ridiculous and based solely on "spooks and other nonsense".
And this is not a snap judgemnt because...........? If you hate hypocrites then you better get out the razor blades. I made no such assumption.
What I said was that they find it easy to believe in ideas that are fantastic, or what most people would find difficult to believe in, therefore not taking much convincing, or readily accepting something that is difficult to accept, yet when it comes to accept an idea that is basic and made up of common rational ideas, that should be easily acceptable to most people, they kick up a fuss and fight it to the death, as if I had just claimed to have seen a yeti water skiing behind the lochness monster.
Nothing to do with her argument, but the ability to embrace anything the differs from her own belief; to only take the negative aproach.
There is nothing I hate more people that make snap judgements on others. This person just assumed that because Seraphina was posting on a forum called "Unexplained Mysteries" that her arguement would be ridiculous and based solely on "spooks and other nonsense".
And this is not a snap judgemnt because...........? If you hate hypocrites then you better get out the razor blades. I made no such assumption.
What I said was that they find it easy to believe in ideas that are fantastic, or what most people would find difficult to believe in, therefore not taking much convincing, or readily accepting something that is difficult to accept, yet when it comes to accept an idea that is basic and made up of common rational ideas, that should be easily acceptable to most people, they kick up a fuss and fight it to the death, as if I had just claimed to have seen a yeti water skiing behind the lochness monster.
Nothing to do with her argument, but the ability to embrace anything the differs from her own belief; to only take the negative aproach.
| QUOTE (Seraphina @ Oct 17 2003, 02:46 PM) |
| ...*blinks*...are you actually trying to attack a biology student, who probably knows more about this than you do? |
That about sums it up, you assume way too much. (there was no need for that kind of remark )You assume that you must be correct, because my idea doesnt agree with what you think you have read in a book. Therefore since you are a biology student, you must be correct, therefore I must be wrong, therefore there is no need to rationalize what I have written, so you scan, rather than read, therefore cant understand what is written. Since not every second word, is a ten syllable piece of jargon, that has only appeared in the most recent edition of the dictionary, you assume that I cant possibly understand anything from your bible.
You apparently think biology is difficult therefore you need to be really smart to understand. take a reality check, it aint that difficult, if you think it is difficult then its your lack of intellect that is at fault. I bet you cant wait to go arround introducing yourself as Doctor can you? What a thrill. Hello this is Dr Frasier upmyself and his brother Dr Niles evenmore upmyself, and this is plumber Bob and carpenter john, lawyer bill and postman pete, all members of the silly names society. You know why people get called Dr and Prof? Because they originated as travellors so no one could remember their name. Its not a title, just a bad habit people got into that next year will no longer exist.
Try living on planet earth for a change. The idea of a forum, is to share ideas, because you may come accross something that no one else has. New ideas don't just mean ideas that add weight to what you already believe. It means if someone has a different opinion to one that is already established, that you think, O.K I never thought of it that way before, lets see if it can work". you cant do that because you use the program " That idea seems opposed to mine, therefore it must be wrong, so what do I already know that can prove it wrong" New ideas means exploring new ideas even if it means looking at the possibility that you may be wrong, otherwise all you are doing is repeating the same opinion over and over again; its a weather balloon, its a secret aircraft, its a flying squirrel, its a........
I edited one part of this because of people's feelings ok?
| QUOTE (Seraphina @ Oct 18 2003, 04:11 PM) |
| [You're arguing against the theories I quote by saying "they're not proven! Now I'll huff, and I'll puff..." While your theories are little more than a mixture of hot air, and frustration at being treated like an idiot in my previous post. What, exactly has proven your theories? Given that what I'm saying has been researched, investigated, and refined over the course of years...yours has sprung up out of your own head, has about as much weight behind it as a thrown feather, and you seem to think it's true, just because you said so Perhaps, if you actually do what you're preaching, and "go out and prove" your theories, I might actually hold them in greater regard...however until you stop doing nothing but blowing hot air, kindly don't waste my time, and go out and get an education. You'll likely find that these 'books' you seem to despise are written by people who are significantly more intelligent than you are. And so are the people that read them... If you're going to actually argue that memory can be passed on to a child, let's go ahead and argue that other things that have absolutely nothing to do with genes can be passed on..."Hey, I lost a leg in a car crash! Oh dear god! What if this injury is stored in my cells, and passed on to my children! Shock! Horror!"[/ |
I was not saying that because they are not proven that they are just as likely to be wrong. I was saying that science is shown, to continually overturn previously established theories all the time, and that it is also subject to many mistakes, as well as contradictions. You are quoting from books, as if they are gospel, as well as suggesting that since you are a part of that, that it should be assumed that you are most probably correct, therefore how dare I challenge you. You seen to take everything personally, and therefore misinterpret what is written. The whole basis of your argument is not on rationalizing what I have said but simply reinforcing that you must be right, because it comes from a source that is reliable. So all you are doing is finding new ways to express that ideology.
Given that what I'm saying has been researched, investigated, and refined over the course of years...yours has sprung up out of your own head, has about as much weight behind it as a thrown feather, and you seem to think it's true, just because you said so
Sunsceen was researched for 20 years, and then there were the thalidomides and exploding space shuttles, in fact science makes more mistakes than the rest of the world combined. I wouldnt trust a scientist to write the instruction manual for a pair of shoe laces.
Where exactly do you think theories come from before they get into books? The magic theory fairy, or the magical land of theories? They come out of peoples heads. You are confusing evidence with proof. Proof requires thinking to understand, evidence requires nothing more than simple child like gullibility, to believe anything you see, because it looks impressive.
Obviously a lost leg isnt going to passed onto a child, why use such a childish idea? What is your problem, you seem to have a real hard time if anyone suggests that you may be wrong,as if it is a personal insult? No wondeer science makes so many mistakes, no one will listen to each other, too bad if you happen to be on board a space shuttle; too high in the sky ego tripping.
wow man chill out, your taking it a little extreme, no?
no one said you have to agree with her statements (statements based on scientific evidence mind you) but all you have to do is explain your side, she never attacked anyone, maybe shes wrong, maybe she not, but at least she didnt get all uppity like you did, all your posts prove to me is that you're childish, and imo this site is not a childish one, many people here come with intelligent ideas and many come to learn (like my self) these ideas, personally i dont enjoy this nonsense of an argument, and i doubt anyone else does either, at least we know were you got your screen name from...
and note to sepharina, i am definetly not a bio student, far from it, and i understood your post 100%, dont play these games with this kid, no need to explain yourself....i mean its just the internet for christs sake!
no one said you have to agree with her statements (statements based on scientific evidence mind you) but all you have to do is explain your side, she never attacked anyone, maybe shes wrong, maybe she not, but at least she didnt get all uppity like you did, all your posts prove to me is that you're childish, and imo this site is not a childish one, many people here come with intelligent ideas and many come to learn (like my self) these ideas, personally i dont enjoy this nonsense of an argument, and i doubt anyone else does either, at least we know were you got your screen name from...
and note to sepharina, i am definetly not a bio student, far from it, and i understood your post 100%, dont play these games with this kid, no need to explain yourself....i mean its just the internet for christs sake!
heh...well, thanks for the shout out nonetheless
But yes, I do intend to leave him to his ranting for now. After reading his...endless...string of posts that don't seem to prove much except he doesn't trash talk as subtly as I do
But yeah, I'll leave him alone, no worries.
Juuust as one final side note though: You'll find sunscreen is developed my manufacturers, not by scientific circles. Their companies may well have a group of chemists working away from an original formulae that may have been thought up by people who knew what they were doing...but you'll find the 'chemists' in the cosmetics and similar fields have the goal of selling something...not of protecting us from the sun
Commercials are the ones lying there, not science botching up.
Buuuut, now I'll leave you in peace
But yes, I do intend to leave him to his ranting for now. After reading his...endless...string of posts that don't seem to prove much except he doesn't trash talk as subtly as I do
But yeah, I'll leave him alone, no worries.
Juuust as one final side note though: You'll find sunscreen is developed my manufacturers, not by scientific circles. Their companies may well have a group of chemists working away from an original formulae that may have been thought up by people who knew what they were doing...but you'll find the 'chemists' in the cosmetics and similar fields have the goal of selling something...not of protecting us from the sun
Commercials are the ones lying there, not science botching up.
Buuuut, now I'll leave you in peace
scientists are the ones responsible for sunscreen you dimwit. had no rebuttle to thalidomide or exploding space shuttles did you? avoid the issue and maintain your delusion. as for that other nit wit, instead of trying to score points by kissing everyones butt on the internet, because you are just some nerd no one wants to talk to in real life, get a life, no one needs you to defend them!
| QUOTE (seeking @ Oct 19 2003, 08:41 AM) |
| all your posts prove to me is that you're childish |
Well my dear fruitcake...at least you did go out there and prove one thoery correct in your life time...congrats
I dont give proof, that you have to earn.
I'll try not to lose sleep over not being allowed to hear it
However, before you edited your first post on this page, I thought you were simply childish...now I think you're a jerk. Congrats on going from beneath me personally, to beneath my notice.
Seeking was trying to calm you down...but since you're reaction was so blatantly infantile, I think I'm just going to erect a small crib around you, and keep my own thoughts outside of it with everyone else, until you grow enough to come out here with us.
However, before you edited your first post on this page, I thought you were simply childish...now I think you're a jerk. Congrats on going from beneath me personally, to beneath my notice.
Seeking was trying to calm you down...but since you're reaction was so blatantly infantile, I think I'm just going to erect a small crib around you, and keep my own thoughts outside of it with everyone else, until you grow enough to come out here with us.
Generous of ya' there, Fruity
| QUOTE (Seraphina @ Oct 19 2003, 01:56 PM) |
| I'll try not to lose sleep over not being allowed to hear it |
did too did not....females are generally more intelligent than males, but they are also very stubborn. I think you want to believe me, but you just dont know how, so subconsciously you are like one of those serial killars that wants to be caught. Trust me I am correct.
Try this: most people think that a fly sees multiple images as in the movie the fly, correct?
Talked to some entemologists and they confirmed this. However a fly sees only one image at a time, the facets are like our pupils. A flycant rotate its eyes as we can, so instead of moving its eyes, it changes which pupil it focuses through, one pupil at a time, the other pupils serve as peripheral vision. Suggestd this to a couple of scientists, and got some inane replies, like mother nature works in mysterious ways, or who knows what goes on inside the mind of a fly, we may never know. meanwhile at a site that depicts how a bee views the world, all the images that depict how a bee sees the wrold, are all single views, no multi vision; one half of the world believes in big bangs and black holes, the other doesnt. So which half of the world were you educated, and is that where you want to stay?
fruitcakesanonymous, try this. Bite me.
| QUOTE |
| scientists are the ones responsible for sunscreen you dimwit. |
Hey fruity, maybe you should stay away from the direct insults.
memories can not be passed on. they can't. After a cell is established in the human body, there can be no changes made to the DNA or RNA. the cells have no ability to hold a memory. the cells are specialized to do a task in the body and cells die all the time. Cells are also replaced all the time, so any memories that would have been stored would be lost. On the other hand Learning can start in the womb. This has been proven. A child has a wonderful copasity for learning. the child mind takes in everything the child sees and hears. they are little sponges. this is why a child of 7 could already be speaking 5 or 6 different languages. the fact is, a childs ability to learn can sometimes be mistaken for inborn memory. i would like to think that things can be passed on just as much as the next guy, but they are not able to be passed on. thank you for your time, i will be here all year, please tip your waitress. 
CASTOR
CASTOR
| QUOTE (CASTOR @ Oct 19 2003, 03:02 PM) |
| memories can not be passed on. they can't. After a cell is established in the human body, there can be no changes made to the DNA or RNA. the cells have no ability to hold a memory. the cells are specialized to do a task in the body and cells die all the time. Cells are also replaced all the time, so any memories that would have been stored would be lost. On the other hand Learning can start in the womb. This has been proven. A child has a wonderful copasity for learning. the child mind takes in everything the child sees and hears. they are little sponges. this is why a child of 7 could already be speaking 5 or 6 different languages. the fact is, a childs ability to learn can sometimes be mistaken for inborn memory. i would like to think that things can be passed on just as much as the next guy, but they are not able to be passed on. thank you for your time, i will be here all year, please tip your waitress. CASTOR |
and babies can suckle because??.......................moron!!!!
| QUOTE (Mentalcase @ Oct 19 2003, 03:01 PM) | ||
Hey fruity, maybe you should stay away from the direct insults. |
sunscreen-concept- have you taken lessons at stupidity or does it come nutural?
| QUOTE (snuffypuffer @ Oct 19 2003, 03:00 PM) |
| fruitcakesanonymous, try this. Bite me. |
Thats original-can I have your autograph.
HUMANS-STUPID ONE DAY, DUMBER THE NEXT!!!!
*sighs* I know I keep saying I'm going to leave this topic alone, but I still end up so staggered by what we're dealing with here...
Fruitcakes...what exactly are you trying to prove here? How easy it is to alienate the population of the forum by acting like a child? Because, just in case you hadn't realised it yet, that's exactly what you're doing.
First you accuse me of being narrow minded, and not willing to accept any veiw contary to my own...yet everytime someone present a veiw contary to yours, you respond with childish insults (is this the part where I should point out that your wit is only slightly less blunt than a spoon?), making post after post as though you don't know what the edit button is for, and making a very good job of sounding like you're just out of primary school.
Free advice: Grow up. Until you do that, then it doesn't matter how good you think you're arguement or theory may be (not that they are, of course). You're acting like an idiot, and people are going to be more inclinded to ignore you than give a damn what you're saying.
Side note: Castor - true indeed...everything that is passed from parent to child is passed on through the chromosomes. Memory doesn't even exist in the cells....I, for one, think your arguement was far more convincing than "and babies can suckle because??.......................moron!!!!"
Fruitcakes...what exactly are you trying to prove here? How easy it is to alienate the population of the forum by acting like a child? Because, just in case you hadn't realised it yet, that's exactly what you're doing.
First you accuse me of being narrow minded, and not willing to accept any veiw contary to my own...yet everytime someone present a veiw contary to yours, you respond with childish insults (is this the part where I should point out that your wit is only slightly less blunt than a spoon?), making post after post as though you don't know what the edit button is for, and making a very good job of sounding like you're just out of primary school.
Free advice: Grow up. Until you do that, then it doesn't matter how good you think you're arguement or theory may be (not that they are, of course). You're acting like an idiot, and people are going to be more inclinded to ignore you than give a damn what you're saying.
Side note: Castor - true indeed...everything that is passed from parent to child is passed on through the chromosomes. Memory doesn't even exist in the cells....I, for one, think your arguement was far more convincing than "and babies can suckle because??.......................moron!!!!"
SO CLOSE, YET SO FAR AWAY. Sorry I cant waste any more timebut you win first prize for trying, just backs up what i said; women are more intelligent than men.
fruitcakesanonymous, if you would read any literature in the fields of psychology you would realize that suckling is a reflex action in the infant. just like if you tickle its foot, its toes will part enstead of come together. and i dont think calling me a moron proves your point. go ahead and read the experiments, they are on the APA web site, come back and post a message that is not just an insult.
CASTOR
CASTOR
So now insults aside . Where exactly are instincts stored ? also in the brain ? how are they learned ? I'm all confused now...
I personally feel it's more likely that some children are born gifted , and some of these children un learn there abilties when they are told not to be silly and oh it's just your imagination .and that sort of thing .
I may not be a biology student or a pshycology major but I have 2 children of my own thats plenty of experience in the field . Both have shown signs of memories and personality traits of there previous life . ( I wonder where these memories are stored )
Only one though has got what is called an active imagination . Infact he has said one or two things that made me stop and think that just maybe he does see things . There is no way you can get that one to sleep with the lights off .
And my other child , he is the one that backs up the argument that not all children have a sixth sense . I think if he had any psychic abilities he would have instinctively honed them into being able to tell when he was winding people up , but alas no he does not have that ability , still I love him dearly
I personally feel it's more likely that some children are born gifted , and some of these children un learn there abilties when they are told not to be silly and oh it's just your imagination .and that sort of thing .
I may not be a biology student or a pshycology major but I have 2 children of my own thats plenty of experience in the field . Both have shown signs of memories and personality traits of there previous life . ( I wonder where these memories are stored )
Only one though has got what is called an active imagination . Infact he has said one or two things that made me stop and think that just maybe he does see things . There is no way you can get that one to sleep with the lights off .
And my other child , he is the one that backs up the argument that not all children have a sixth sense . I think if he had any psychic abilities he would have instinctively honed them into being able to tell when he was winding people up , but alas no he does not have that ability , still I love him dearly
| QUOTE (siphis @ Oct 15 2003, 09:09 PM) |
| This might not make much sense. I can't really explain it, but... Remember that feeling you get when you start something long over again? When I was little, I remember always getting that feeling. |
Hello: Im kind of new here. I finally found a site that can perhaps help me understand some of the things exeperienced in my life. I know exactly how that feeling is. My very first one that I could remember and I know it was before the age of two. It was kinda like when you wake up in a strange room and for a moment you dont know where you are. I actually remember think whether I was awake or dreaming and when I realized I was awake....I thought not again, I didnt want to do this but I wanted to be back ...whereever that was. I am 18 months older than my brother but I actually remember when he was born (those days most people had babies at home) I know small children and maybe even babies think...but they can't communicate that well. Most of my very early memories are fragmented... but I do remember the feeling that I had done this before and this place was not where I really wanted to be. Hard to put into words. It's kinda like...geez not again...
| QUOTE (CASTOR @ Oct 19 2003, 05:03 PM) |
| fruitcakesanonymous, if you would read any literature in the fields of psychology you would realize that suckling is a reflex action in the infant. just like if you tickle its foot, its toes will part enstead of come together. and i dont think calling me a moron proves your point. go ahead and read the experiments, they are on the APA web site, come back and post a message that is not just an insult. CASTOR |
Of course it is a reflex action, has anyone denied that? You cant just quote somethig you read somewhere, without taking the time to interpret it or go beyond what is written. In order for a reflex action to occur, it requires information, it doesnt just happen. So just as a computer program contains instuctions of what to tell the computer, so too do humans contain instructions that are passed on. Science has got a hell of a long way to go before it can claim to know everything.
How can a savant know how to play the piano, without ever being taught? How can a savant worked out the value of Pi faster than a super computer, yet never have learned math? Information that is passed on from generation to generation is the only way this is possible.
| QUOTE (Mentalcase @ Oct 19 2003, 03:01 PM) | ||
Hey fruity, maybe you should stay away from the direct insults. |
maybe you should mind your own business. do you think anyone needs you to stick up for them? Stop trying to show off, to try to buy friends. your my hero! thats what you are thinking isnt it? Like someone writing graffiti imagining that everyone that sees that graffiti is going to be thinking, "wow this guy is really cool, I wish I could be like him" Can you teach me to be the brave upholder of righteousness like you so everyone will go "wow this guy is really cool, I wish I could be like him". Please, I want to be a computer nerd too, hiding behind a screen, pretending to be someone I am not too, can ya, huh?
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