DamienPriest
Jun 16 2006, 10:32 PM
Hello All...
I recently came across a photograph of a preschool in Mt. Sinai that someone needed my Paranormal Group to analize. I been in the midst of an on going investigation with this particular case for a few weeks. I looked over the photograph and an ORB appears. Unfortunately I do not own the photograph so I cannot post it here, I know that would help.
Anyway, for those who know alot about ORBS, I know most are dismissed as Dust particles floating by the camera when catching them on camera. However, this particular ORB got my attention. The ORB was HUGE! Not small at all, and was illuminating. It also had little bits of tiny ORBS inside it's sphere shaped body. What got my eye was not only the size of it, but the little girl in the picture next to it was frightened as if sh eknew some kind of energy or presence was in front of her. He expression was in fright.
My question is, Dust particles are for the most part small right? I'm not a fan of ORBS myself because they are always dismissed as Dust. But as far as I know Dust does not Illuminate or grow large.
What do you guys think?
Lady_Anvilabeel
Jun 16 2006, 10:49 PM
QUOTE(DamienPriest @ Jun 16 2006, 11:32 PM) [snapback]1234424[/snapback]
Hello All...
I recently came across a photograph of a preschool in Mt. Sinai that someone needed my Paranormal Group to analize. I been in the midst of an on going investigation with this particular case for a few weeks. I looked over the photograph and an ORB appears. Unfortunately I do not own the photograph so I cannot post it here, I know that would help.
Anyway, for those who know alot about ORBS, I know most are dismissed as Dust particles floating by the camera when catching them on camera. However, this particular ORB got my attention. The ORB was HUGE! Not small at all, and was illuminating. It also had little bits of tiny ORBS inside it's sphere shaped body. What got my eye was not only the size of it, but the little girl in the picture next to it was frightened as if sh eknew some kind of energy or presence was in front of her. He expression was in fright.
My question is, Dust particles are for the most part small right? I'm not a fan of ORBS myself because they are always dismissed as Dust. But as far as I know Dust does not Illuminate or grow large.
What do you guys think?
It's hard to know without seeing the pic

Have you got any more details about the place, the goings on?
DamienPriest
Jun 17 2006, 12:17 AM
The Pre-school is attached to a church built back in 1789 in Mt. Sinai NY. I talk to someone who is a witness to activity that works for the church and claims there is a presence inside the church as well that is not being used to this day since the revolutionary war. The care taker believes the church is haunted by a former care taker who passed away in the church or a former Priest.
The signs of his presence is smelling a strange odor, and cigarrette smoke when no one smokes in our group or neither does the current care taker.
I think this presence could be visiting the school as well. One particular classroom, a lot of activity happens. Cabinet doors fly open and close by themselves, and lights flicker on and off. They told me they have had their electrician come and check it out and the electric is fine.
They've even put in new light bulbs. They even purposely latch the cabinets from opening to prevent the presence from opening them so it doesn't scare the children during class. They no longer do activities in that particular room due to what's happening.
I been on the case for a few weeks now, hopefully I will capture something on camera other than a singled out ORB.
Lady_Anvilabeel
Jun 17 2006, 12:41 AM
interesting... have you tryed with a voice recorder as well for evp?
jonb
Jun 17 2006, 04:08 PM
reason behind orbs showing up large is because they are actually very close to the lens. with newer compact cameras the flash is close to the lens causing dust in front of the lens to be lit up.
zoom used on cameras can increase the size of orbs too, aswell as aperture, or how much the lens opens up.
DamienPriest
Jun 17 2006, 09:43 PM
I agree with the zooming in and out with a camera lens. I'm not a huge fan of orbs, don't get me wrong. Due to alot of them debunked as dust that's why they aren't conclusive enough evidence to be paranormal. Forms of energy yes, but nothing Paranormal.
What got my attention was the reaction to this little girl where the orb appears. It appears right in front of her. Her expression is sheer fright. she looks as if she knows something isn't right or feels a presence. Children at that age can see things more than open minded adults. They are more receptive to this type of anomaly.
That's why in my own opinion it's definitely an orb, and the camera was not zoomed in with its lens so I think the orb was just large in size.
The reaction to this little girl is great, I wish I had it to show all of you... but it isn't my photo and the teacher who took it owns it and is presenting it to the proper authorities so we can do an investigation in there.
Mookie
Jun 19 2006, 03:24 AM
That's a shame as it would be nice to see this picture.
Your right that hildren can often see things that adults can't as they are still open to the possibilities of what might be out there, whereas adults have been told that such things don't exist and it can take us a while to get over this and actually see these things.
coldethyl
Jun 19 2006, 02:20 PM
Maybe she was just thinking "Someone needs to dust in here, look at the size of that dustball!!"
nitr0gen
Jun 21 2006, 02:55 AM
QUOTE(DamienPriest @ Jun 16 2006, 06:32 PM) [snapback]1234424[/snapback]
Hello All...
I recently came across a photograph of a preschool in Mt. Sinai that someone needed my Paranormal Group to analize. I been in the midst of an on going investigation with this particular case for a few weeks. I looked over the photograph and an ORB appears. Unfortunately I do not own the photograph so I cannot post it here, I know that would help.
Anyway, for those who know alot about ORBS, I know most are dismissed as Dust particles floating by the camera when catching them on camera. However, this particular ORB got my attention. The ORB was HUGE! Not small at all, and was illuminating. It also had little bits of tiny ORBS inside it's sphere shaped body. What got my eye was not only the size of it, but the little girl in the picture next to it was frightened as if sh eknew some kind of energy or presence was in front of her. He expression was in fright.
My question is, Dust particles are for the most part small right? I'm not a fan of ORBS myself because they are always dismissed as Dust. But as far as I know Dust does not Illuminate or grow large.
What do you guys think?
I have a friend who's done an extensive study on orbs. The link to her site is
http://www.ocgh.moonfruit.com/. If you'll go to the Orb Study on the menu on the left side of the screen she describes commonalities that may help you to discern between dust orbs and spiritual orbs.
brazilianguy
Jun 21 2006, 03:01 AM
what is a orb anyway? is it dust or spirit?
Shadow_Wolf
Jun 21 2006, 06:45 AM
QUOTE(brazilianguy @ Jun 21 2006, 04:01 AM) [snapback]1239627[/snapback]
what is a orb anyway? is it dust or spirit?
Its a particulate - this can be dust, moisture, smoke etc...
Kaknelson
Jun 21 2006, 06:48 AM
QUOTE(Shadow_Wolf @ Jun 20 2006, 11:45 PM) [snapback]1239777[/snapback]
Its a particulate - this can be dust, moisture, smoke etc...
I disagree.
The orbs that I and others iv'e met have seen....Are not any of the above.
Shadow_Wolf
Jun 22 2006, 08:22 PM
QUOTE(Kaknelson @ Jun 21 2006, 07:48 AM) [snapback]1239780[/snapback]
I disagree.
The orbs that I and others iv'e met have seen....Are not any of the above.
Prove it
BuyMeAPony
Jun 22 2006, 10:55 PM
First step is to rule out the mundane. In the case of orbs, unless you are taking a photo in a hermetically sealed chamber, you can never rule out particulate matter. A human being sheds 50 million skin cells in one day. If a human is involved in the equation you can almost guarantee that any ‘orbs’ found in a photo is your dead skin cells doing their final swan dive into oblivion. The most obvious explanation is usually the most correct.
brazilianguy
Jun 22 2006, 11:44 PM
so orbs are nothing but little particles floating around, close to the camera?
coldethyl
Jun 22 2006, 11:46 PM
QUOTE(brazilianguy @ Jun 22 2006, 06:44 PM) [snapback]1242205[/snapback]
so orbs are nothing but little particles floating around, close to the camera?
Yes, for the most part or moisture. That's my opinion anyway.
Kaknelson
Jun 23 2006, 12:55 AM
QUOTE(Shadow_Wolf @ Jun 22 2006, 01:22 PM) [snapback]1241930[/snapback]
Prove it

How can i prove over UM, this?
The orbs i saw, in my house, with no camera. When i was from ages 4 - 12, i saw them on sperate occasians, rarely. Resembling syncronizing ball lighting. Definitly illuminating and emanating light from themselves. They could have been some sort of energy build up... but i have also been told it was a spiritual entity of some sort.
Mere moisture, or dust particles? Doubtful.
I swear that they were not this at all. Considering they were colors of, red, pink or purple.
If you saw them you would understand. I have only met 1 or 2 who have seen the same as me. Wolf, over UM, it is impossible to prove it. In turn, it's easy for a skeptic to pick at.
BuyMeAPony
Jun 23 2006, 01:08 AM
QUOTE(Kaknelson @ Jun 23 2006, 12:55 AM) [snapback]1242278[/snapback]
How can i prove over UM, this?
The orbs i saw, in my house, with no camera. When i was from ages 4 - 12, i saw them on sperate occasians, rarely. Resembling syncronizing ball lighting. Definitly illuminating and emanating light from themselves. They could have been some sort of energy build up... but i have also been told it was a spiritual entity of some sort.
Mere moisture, or dust particles? Doubtful.
I swear that they were not this at all. Considering they were colors of, red, pink or purple.
If you saw them you would understand. I have only met 1 or 2 who have seen the same as me. Wolf, over UM, it is impossible to prove it. In turn, it's easy for a skeptic to pick at.
Did you ever entertain the possibility of floaties in your eyes when you were a child? Many people experience floaters and this could explain the orbs that you saw. They are caused by the thickening of the vitreous gel within the eye. The thickening of the gel also causes flashes of light when the gel tugs on the retina. This sort of thing normally happens to older people but it also occurs in children due to protein buildup.
Im not saying that you didn’t experience what you claim. Im just saying that there could be a medical explanation to what you experienced. I know I often get floaties in my eyes which leave me thinking what in gods name IS THAT THING jiggling around in my eyeball?
coldethyl
Jun 23 2006, 02:57 AM
QUOTE(BuyMeAPony @ Jun 22 2006, 08:08 PM) [snapback]1242297[/snapback]
Im not saying that you didn’t experience what you claim. Im just saying that there could be a medical explanation to what you experienced. I know I often get floaties in my eyes which leave me thinking what in gods name IS THAT THING jiggling around in my eyeball?
True. I see sparkles everytime I'm about to get a migraine. Awful business, that is.
And when I said dust and moisture I was talking about orbs caught on camera and film and I'm not
picking on anyone.
Kaknelson
Jun 23 2006, 03:05 AM
QUOTE(BuyMeAPony @ Jun 22 2006, 06:08 PM) [snapback]1242297[/snapback]
Did you ever entertain the possibility of floaties in your eyes when you were a child? Many people experience floaters and this could explain the orbs that you saw. They are caused by the thickening of the vitreous gel within the eye. The thickening of the gel also causes flashes of light when the gel tugs on the retina. This sort of thing normally happens to older people but it also occurs in children due to protein buildup.
Im not saying that you didn’t experience what you claim. Im just saying that there could be a medical explanation to what you experienced. I know I often get floaties in my eyes which leave me thinking what in gods name IS THAT THING jiggling around in my eyeball?
Yes, i know what your talking about. No it wasn't as simplistic as that.
DamienPriest
Jun 23 2006, 06:48 PM
I agree about most said referring to ORBS being debunked as particles, dead skin or dust or any medical explanation. I hate ORBS because you get excited because you caught something but then you have to come to terms as a skeptic and reality what it truly is. I get migrains every now and then, when I get them my eyes get all blury eyed, my hands and feet go numb then a huge headache appears. The only way I was told to get rid of them was by taking migrain headache medicine and ly down in a dark room until it goes away. By then I usually fall asleep but they suck because they don't go away for hours.
But as for ORBS, I really wish I could post this photo. Next time I speak to this lady I will see if I get my hands on it. I will post it if she allows me. Its not my photo so, the odds are slim. She feels so awkward about mentioning it as it is. I wasn't suppose to even be in the building or in the church. I want this photograph to get these higher authorities in charge of the program to permit us to do an investigation. Wierd things happen there, cabinet doors opening and closing, lights flickering on and off. The care taker of the church feels she's not alone either. Strange odors, ciggarette smell, and ORBS.
I mean I'm not excluding anything simply due to the fact how old this place is. It's nearly 300 years old. anything is possible.
Matt ~
Lady_Anvilabeel
Jun 23 2006, 07:05 PM
QUOTE(DamienPriest @ Jun 23 2006, 07:48 PM) [snapback]1243192[/snapback]
I agree about most said referring to ORBS being debunked as particles, dead skin or dust or any medical explanation. I hate ORBS because you get excited because you caught something but then you have to come to terms as a skeptic and reality what it truly is. I get migrains every now and then, when I get them my eyes get all blury eyed, my hands and feet go numb then a huge headache appears. The only way I was told to get rid of them was by taking migrain headache medicine and ly down in a dark room until it goes away. By then I usually fall asleep but they suck because they don't go away for hours.
But as for ORBS, I really wish I could post this photo. Next time I speak to this lady I will see if I get my hands on it. I will post it if she allows me. Its not my photo so, the odds are slim. She feels so awkward about mentioning it as it is. I wasn't suppose to even be in the building or in the church. I want this photograph to get these higher authorities in charge of the program to permit us to do an investigation. Wierd things happen there, cabinet doors opening and closing, lights flickering on and off. The care taker of the church feels she's not alone either. Strange odors, ciggarette smell, and ORBS.
I mean I'm not excluding anything simply due to the fact how old this place is. It's nearly 300 years old. anything is possible.
Matt ~
I can understand why she doesn't want to release the pic if it has one of the children in it. Can you maybe give her your word that you will make the child completly annoymous ie blur the childs identity right out of the picture? The teacher is probaly thinking the pic could end up all over the place and is being protective for the childs sake. Plus maybe the parents have no idea about any of this and it's something the teacher is just not prepared to deal with.
Sasa
Jun 23 2006, 07:22 PM
QUOTE(DamienPriest @ Jun 23 2006, 11:48 AM) [snapback]1243192[/snapback]
I agree about most said referring to ORBS being debunked as particles, dead skin or dust or any medical explanation. I hate ORBS because you get excited because you caught something but then you have to come to terms as a skeptic and reality what it truly is.
The key is just in learning how to discern what is dust and what are spiritual orbs based on their commonalities. That's what I've done in my study on them. It's on my website, which is in my signature. Just click on "Orb Study" in the menu if you're interested. Of course, it's just a small sampling of the entire study, but it'll give you an idea.
Disclaimer: My theories and findings are based on my personal experiences, research and study of the phenomenon and I do not expect anyone to take it as the "Gospel Truth".
NME_locus
Jun 23 2006, 09:09 PM
QUOTE(Kaknelson @ Jun 23 2006, 12:55 AM) [snapback]1242278[/snapback]
Mere moisture, or dust particles? Doubtful.
I swear that they were not this at all. Considering they were colors of, red, pink or purple.
In many case, orbs basically will taken the color that it reflects from it's surrounding. Orbs by a tree will turn tan, orbs low to the ground have been green, and higher in the air will be blue or red.
Here below, you can see the orb on the grave take the color of the grave caused by light.
This photo was taken at Salem Lutheran Cemetery.
brazilianguy
Jun 23 2006, 09:41 PM
with a big imagination orbs could be anything...thats what i got to say from what i been reading
Kaknelson
Jun 24 2006, 01:04 AM
QUOTE(NME_locus @ Jun 23 2006, 02:09 PM) [snapback]1243408[/snapback]
In many case, orbs basically will taken the color that it reflects from it's surrounding. Orbs by a tree will turn tan, orbs low to the ground have been green, and higher in the air will be blue or red.
Here below, you can see the orb on the grave take the color of the grave caused by light.
This photo was taken at Salem Lutheran Cemetery.
What if it is dark, and they are merely illuminating from there own light? Producing their own light source. Colors wich is totally irrelevant to the surroundings.
Last time i saw, there was four or five pink ones floating snake-like together at night, must have been 8 years ago or so... I didn't have, nor even think of using a camera. Now i think i should have.
BuyMeAPony
Jun 24 2006, 01:12 AM
I think when it comes to orbs you either believe in them or you dont. I dont think either side will ever truly be convinced to join the opposing view point. So even if you did have the forethought to capture it on film, Im sure those of us that dont believe it to be a ghostly presence would still have the same response.
Sasa
Jun 24 2006, 04:43 PM
This is a film clip I did last night while Channeling. I do a lot of these types of experiments in my research. I've determined that actual dust will only appear when it's within approximately 6" of the camera's lens and it settles within 3-4 minutes. I've observed that dust drifts with the air current - much like silt underwater - all in the same direction. I also have yet to capture dust that "blinks". This clip was taken in our storage room, which has no windows, no air ventilation other than a door (which was closed at the time) and it's completely sealed to keep bugs out because we use it to store costumes and props for our business and many of the costumes are made of wool.
I'd been sitting in the same spot for approximately 10 minutes. You'll notice in the clip that the three brightest orbs move in three completely different directions and one moves across, then down, stays in one spot for a few seconds and then moves away from the camera and towards the back of the room.
Click here to watch Channeling-5
coldethyl
Jun 25 2006, 05:09 AM
QUOTE(Sasa @ Jun 24 2006, 11:43 AM) [snapback]1244194[/snapback]
This is a film clip I did last night while Channeling.
I think you're possessed by the devil because your eyes are glowing.
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