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LAHORE, Pakistan - A Pakistan man killed his three young daughters Tuesday before confessing to police, prompting one officer to shoot him dead, an investigator said. Mohammed Ashraf, 38, used a knife to cut the throats of his daughters aged 3, 5 and 9 before dawn in the eastern city of Lahore, said senior police investigator Amir Zulifquar.

Ashraf then went to a police station to report his crime, and was charged with murdering his daughters and placed in a cell.

"As I left the police station after questioning Mohammed Ashraf, one of my guards opened fire and killed him," Zulifquar said.

The policeman who shot Ashraf was identified as Mohammed Nadeem and was taken into custody, Zulifquar said.

Nadeem told investigators that he killed Ashraf to "eliminate an animal from society," according to Zulifquar.

"A person who kills innocent children deserves no mercy," Zulifquar quoted Nadeem as saying.

Before his killing, Ashraf told police that he was jobless and had killed his daughters because of poverty, Zulifquar said.

Ashraf's wife Sughran Bibi told reporters that she didn't hear her daughters' cries and that her husband had woken her up after "committing the heinous crime for which I will never forgive him."

Nadeem, the policeman, will face court for a ruling on whether he should be charged with murder or not, Zulifquar said. No date has been set for when he will appear in court. If convicted, he faces the death penalty.
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He should be given a medal with a pat on the back; not be charged with murder.
Avinash_Tyagi
well normally i'd agree, except the guy had turned himself in, so they should have let him stand trial at least, let the courts deal with him.
coldethyl
QUOTE(__Kratos__ @ Jun 20 2006, 09:52 AM) [snapback]1238768[/snapback]

He should be given a medal with a pat on the back; not be charged with murder.


yes.gif
I don't blame the guy one bit. Emotion is a powerful thing. Imagine having to be the one to clean up this sicko's mess.

chaoszerg
I would have shot the guy dead also but made him suffer a little. Even if he did turn himself in.


Any monster who kills a child should suffer before being killed.
kenshinx
he should shot his knees and let him bleed to dead mad.gif . that man should suffer first.
good job officer! thumbsup.gif
Perfect Imperfection
I think he got what he deserved. There is no reason why he should have ever hurt those children. I'm glad he got what was coming to him. Surely he would've got the death penalty anyway as the officer who kills him might get?
coldethyl
QUOTE(Perfect Imperfection @ Jun 21 2006, 04:39 AM) [snapback]1239899[/snapback]

I think he got what he deserved. There is no reason why he should have ever hurt those children. I'm glad he got what was coming to him. Surely he would've got the death penalty anyway as the officer who kills him might get?


I would hope he would have gotten the death penalty if the officer hadn't killed him. I hope they let the officer go.
Conspiracy
another case of someone doing the world a good deed then thrown into jail and prolly gonna die for it~
Kahrie
murder is murder no matter what yes.gif this officer WILL get charged because he went against the codes of a police officer, for he could have hurt himself and others while doing this etc
joc
It is hard for me to believe that you people are applauding a police officer exacting justice on a criminal before he is even tried in court. That is just so wrong....so I suppose then that you are in favor of the police in this country killing whoever confesses to whatever evil deed they did? What the man did is sick...the mentality that supports murder because it was a police officer doing it is equally as sick. You people need to rethink your priorities!
Carey Reagan

Does Pakistani law have the circumstance of 'temporary insanity'?
I hate the murder of innocent children as much as anyone, but he had turned himself in and in the eyes of the court, he stood a fair trial.
Perhaps the officer was temporarily insane.
coldethyl
Yeah I feel so sick with myself. I should be ashamed. But I'm not. They are my opinions and I stand by them.
Kahrie
true you are. but imagine if i went around shooting everyone that did wrong will i be a murderer or a hero??? hero i would not be supporting this just promotes it
Kahrie


here's a question: your son/daughter was stealing from a store, i saw this took out a pistol and shot them point blank DEAD now, would you consider me a hero for spreading 'justice' no i don't think so, think about that
__Kratos__
QUOTE(Kahrie @ Jul 6 2006, 07:32 PM) [snapback]1260093[/snapback]

here's a question: your son/daughter was stealing from a store, i saw this took out a pistol and shot them point blank DEAD now, would you consider me a hero for spreading 'justice' no i don't think so, think about that


Depends if they were threatening someone or you were the store operator and needed to protect your property. I mean, I don't have kids but if a family member went and did something stupid like that they're not exempt from it.
Kahrie
QUOTE(__Kratos__ @ Jul 7 2006, 02:42 PM) [snapback]1260300[/snapback]

Depends if they were threatening someone or you were the store operator and needed to protect your property. I mean, I don't have kids but if a family member went and did something stupid like that they're not exempt from it.



that's what i'm saying original.gif no i just saw them stealing and instantly killed them for it (in theory)
coldethyl
QUOTE(Kahrie @ Jul 6 2006, 07:32 PM) [snapback]1260093[/snapback]

here's a question: your son/daughter was stealing from a store, i saw this took out a pistol and shot them point blank DEAD now, would you consider me a hero for spreading 'justice' no i don't think so, think about that


Funny, I thought we were talking about molestation. hmm.gif I don't consider the cop that shot this guy a hero, but the man the cop shot had just killed his children, he didn't steal a candy bar. There's a difference and if you can't see that then I'm sorry for you.

And if someone shot my child for just stealing then I would see them just as shot. yes.gif
__Kratos__
QUOTE(Kahrie @ Jul 6 2006, 10:20 PM) [snapback]1260387[/snapback]

that's what i'm saying original.gif no i just saw them stealing and instantly killed them for it (in theory)


Killing your family and stealing are a bit different. Duh? rolleyes.gif
Kahrie
QUOTE(__Kratos__ @ Jul 7 2006, 03:30 PM) [snapback]1260401[/snapback]

Killing your family and stealing are a bit different. Duh? rolleyes.gif



it was an example rolleyes.gif considering you see every killing as being justified
__Kratos__
QUOTE(Kahrie @ Jul 6 2006, 10:42 PM) [snapback]1260414[/snapback]

it was an example rolleyes.gif considering you see every killing as being justified


I do see it justified for murder, rape, molesting children, and stealing an entire life savings of people.
Xyfer
I for one am glad the bastard died. I hope he suffers. Nobody should harm an innocent child.. and to harm your own is just.. horrible.
coldethyl
QUOTE(Kahrie @ Jul 6 2006, 10:42 PM) [snapback]1260414[/snapback]

it was an example rolleyes.gif considering you see every killing as being justified


I don't see every killing as being justified. I don't know where you got that idea if this is addressed to me. hmm.gif I do see it justified if children are molested or killed. Especially by the parents. I'd want to do harm to someone who hurt my child and I think that is a mother's instinct.
I don't think that what the officer did in this case was neccessarily right, but I don't hold it against him. I understand it. That's the point I'm trying to make. The man had just killed his children. I don't think he deserved any rights once he did that.
Kahrie
QUOTE(coldethyl @ Jul 8 2006, 04:16 AM) [snapback]1260944[/snapback]

I don't see every killing as being justified. I don't know where you got that idea if this is addressed to me. hmm.gif I do see it justified if children are molested or killed. Especially by the parents. I'd want to do harm to someone who hurt my child and I think that is a mother's instinct.
I don't think that what the officer did in this case was neccessarily right, but I don't hold it against him. I understand it. That's the point I'm trying to make. The man had just killed his children. I don't think he deserved any rights once he did that.



would you do the same if it was an adult that was molested by another adult then killed no i don't think you would, sure the man did wrong im not supporting what he did but if he admitted that he did it and gave himself up to the police then every man deserves a fair trial, if i shot the man myself i would be no better because i took someone's life that makes it just as bad as the original crime (but i can understand why)
coldethyl
QUOTE(Kahrie @ Jul 7 2006, 07:08 PM) [snapback]1261491[/snapback]

would you do the same if it was an adult that was molested by another adult then killed no i don't think you would, sure the man did wrong im not supporting what he did but if he admitted that he did it and gave himself up to the police then every man deserves a fair trial, if i shot the man myself i would be no better because i took someone's life that makes it just as bad as the original crime (but i can understand why)


You mean rape? If I was raped and then I killed the rapist, then I don't see that as being wrong. hmm.gif I'm not concerned with being 'better' than the criminal really, I just know human nature. I really can't say what I'd do because thank God I've never been in that situation, but I know how I'd feel and that would be murderous. And I don't think taking the life of a criminal is as bad as taking the life of an innocent. That's just the way I see it. thumbsup.gif
Kahrie
QUOTE(coldethyl @ Jul 8 2006, 12:14 PM) [snapback]1261497[/snapback]

You mean rape? If I was raped and then I killed the rapist, then I don't see that as being wrong. hmm.gif I'm not concerned with being 'better' than the criminal really, I just know human nature. I really can't say what I'd do because thank God I've never been in that situation, but I know how I'd feel and that would be murderous. And I don't think taking the life of a criminal is as bad as taking the life of an innocent. That's just the way I see it. thumbsup.gif



that's o.k that's your opinion thumbsup.gif i meant say you had an adult or family member who was raped and murdered would you feel like killing them as much if it was your child? i would proberly do the same but try to kill not actually kill them
coldethyl
QUOTE(Kahrie @ Jul 7 2006, 07:19 PM) [snapback]1261505[/snapback]

that's o.k that's your opinion thumbsup.gif i meant say you had an adult or family member who was raped and murdered would you feel like killing them as much if it was your child? i would proberly do the same but try to kill not actually kill them


Yeah kneecap busting might feel good too. thumbsup.gif If I had a family member raped or murdered I probably would want to kill their assailant, yes. My dad was shot about 13 years ago and nearly died and I probably could have torn the guy who shot him apart with my hands. yes.gif
__Kratos__
QUOTE(Kahrie @ Jul 7 2006, 07:19 PM) [snapback]1261505[/snapback]

that's o.k that's your opinion thumbsup.gif i meant say you had an adult or family member who was raped and murdered would you feel like killing them as much if it was your child? i would proberly do the same but try to kill not actually kill them


Silly goose! ohmy.gif Rapists deserve to die, nothing else!
coldethyl
QUOTE(__Kratos__ @ Jul 7 2006, 08:26 PM) [snapback]1261596[/snapback]

Silly goose! ohmy.gif Rapists deserve to die, nothing else!


Well except the knee busting first! thumbsup.gif
Kahrie
QUOTE(coldethyl @ Jul 8 2006, 01:18 PM) [snapback]1261573[/snapback]

Yeah kneecap busting might feel good too. thumbsup.gif If I had a family member raped or murdered I probably would want to kill their assailant, yes. My dad was shot about 13 years ago and nearly died and I probably could have torn the guy who shot him apart with my hands. yes.gif


wow


QUOTE(__Kratos__ @ Jul 8 2006, 01:26 PM) [snapback]1261596[/snapback]

Silly goose! ohmy.gif Rapists deserve to die, nothing else!

some of them. there those out there that are generally mentally sick and cannot help themselves. i mean actually proven to be mentally sick not just pleading 'insanity'
__Kratos__
QUOTE(Kahrie @ Jul 7 2006, 09:31 PM) [snapback]1261703[/snapback]

some of them. there those out there that are generally mentally sick and cannot help themselves. i mean actually proven to be mentally sick not just pleading 'insanity'


Unfit to live then. I don't care about your excuse to rape someone, you deserve to die. Unless you are forced to do it, of course.
Kahrie
QUOTE(__Kratos__ @ Jul 8 2006, 02:52 PM) [snapback]1261745[/snapback]

Unfit to live then. I don't care about your excuse to rape someone, you deserve to die. Unless you are forced to do it, of course.



i know someone who was exactly like this (close to the family too) and seriously couldn't help themselves on what they were doing at all no.gif crying.gif it's the same principle as sex, alcohol and drug addicts
__Kratos__
QUOTE(Kahrie @ Jul 7 2006, 09:56 PM) [snapback]1261754[/snapback]

i know someone who was exactly like this (close to the family too) and seriously couldn't help themselves on what they were doing at all no.gif crying.gif it's the same principle as sex, alcohol and drug addicts


I care very little if they can help themselves or not. The fact still is they did the horrid crime. Pathetic people that are too weak to control themselves - are their own problem. I shouldn't have to worry about some pathetic freak on the street wanting to kill me.
Kahrie
QUOTE(__Kratos__ @ Jul 8 2006, 04:14 PM) [snapback]1261845[/snapback]

I care very little if they can help themselves or not. The fact still is they did the horrid crime. Pathetic people that are too weak to control themselves - are their own problem. I shouldn't have to worry about some pathetic freak on the street wanting to kill me.



that's true but these people still need help
__Kratos__
QUOTE(Kahrie @ Jul 9 2006, 08:23 PM) [snapback]1263880[/snapback]

that's true but these people still need help


I'll gladly help them die.
Pyro Pheenix
QUOTE(__Kratos__ @ Jun 21 2006, 12:52 AM) [snapback]1238768[/snapback]

Nadeem told investigators that he killed Ashraf to "eliminate an animal from society," according to Zulifquar.


A fine example of an officer. He should be given a medal, a pat on the back and a premotion thumbsup.gif
SnakeProphet
I care very little if they can help themselves or not. The fact still is they did the horrid crime. Pathetic people that are too weak to control themselves - are their own problem. I shouldn't have to worry about some pathetic freak on the street wanting to kill me.

Exactly. That's why the officer should be shot right in the head. After the kneecap busting of course.
Chokmah
his shooting was that of a vigilante-related shooting, sure the murderer deserved it, but the officer acted of his own accord. the murderer was unarmed and posed a threat to no-one at that specific time (felt i had to bold and underline that, as people like to ignore words) and so in that, the officer was himself a murderer. He should be dealt with as a murderer and be fired from his job, if he gets away with this he will probally think he can do any vigilant-ing he wants.

Edit

Saying this I don't know how the pakistani law enforcment works.
__Kratos__
QUOTE(Snake_6024 @ Jul 11 2006, 07:45 AM) [snapback]1265801[/snapback]

I care very little if they can help themselves or not. The fact still is they did the horrid crime. Pathetic people that are too weak to control themselves - are their own problem. I shouldn't have to worry about some pathetic freak on the street wanting to kill me.

Exactly. That's why the officer should be shot right in the head. After the kneecap busting of course.


Heh, well if I confess to killing my family, I hope I'm shot as well on sight.
kenshinx
QUOTE(__Kratos__ @ Jul 12 2006, 04:38 AM) [snapback]1266807[/snapback]

Heh, well if I confess to killing my family, I hope I'm shot as well on sight.


good one. thumbsup.gif
SnakeProphet
That doesn't make him any less worthy of being shot does it?
__Kratos__
^ The hand of justice doesn't deserve to be shot.
SecondHeartbeat
the guard that shot the dude that killed his kids deserves a round of applause,well in my opinion anyways,if i killed my own kids(when i get them,15 is way to young)i hope that someone kills me the same way
twilightgirl
the father is a psycho and he should go to trial... you can never right a wrong with another wrong deed so the officer shouldn't have done that. look where is he now instead?
coldethyl
QUOTE(twilightgirl @ Jul 14 2006, 02:27 AM) [snapback]1269677[/snapback]

the father is a psycho and he should go to trial... you can never right a wrong with another wrong deed so the officer shouldn't have done that. look where is he now instead?


Yes that is true to an extent, but when he does go on trial the actions of the man he shot need to be considered. He shouldn't be tried in the same way as a murder of innocents would be tried because what he did can be justifiable.
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