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dreamhunter

Jun 21 2006, 04:01 AM

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SAN FRANCISCO Jun 19, 2006 (AP)— On the sun-splashed Caribbean island of St. Kitts, Yale University researchers are injecting millions of human brain cells into the heads of monkeys afflicted with Parkinson's disease.

In China, there are 29 goats running around on a farm with human cells coursing through their organs, a result of scientists dropping human blood cells into goat embryos.

The mixing of humans and animals in the name of medicine has been going on for decades. People are walking around with pig valves in their hearts and scientists have routinely injected human cells into lab mice to mimic diseases.

But the research is becoming increasingly exotic as scientists work with the brains of mice, monkeys and other mammals and begin fiddling with the hot-button issue of cloning. Harvard University researchers are attempting to clone human embryonic cells in rabbit eggs.

Such work has triggered protests from social conservatives and others who fear the blurring of species lines, invoking the image of the chimera of Greek mythology, a monstrous mix of lion, goat and serpent.

During his State of the Union speech in January, President Bush called for a ban on "human cloning in all its forms" and "human-animal hybrids," labeling it one of the "most egregious abuses of medical research."

He didn't elaborate, but scientists working in the field believe that by "hybrids," the president meant creating living animals with human traits something they say they aren't doing.

Other critics are calling for stricter regulations of the research.

"The technology is advancing quicker than the regulations," said Osagie Obasogie of the Oakland-based Center for Genetics and Society, which opposes the mixing of human and animal cells.

But scientists say the ethically charged work will help them better understand disease and hopefully cure some illnesses. They argue their work will never result in the birth of any living being, but lets them experiment with human disease without using people.

By PAUL ELIAS AP Biotechnology Writer

dreamhunter

Jun 21 2006, 04:03 AM

what i want to know is that is it right to be doing this or not right, what to you think?

frogfish

Jun 21 2006, 12:52 PM

It's definitely a plus for medicine and research.

strangebutsmart

Jun 21 2006, 06:02 PM

Like frogfish said it's definitely an a plus for medicine and research,but it's
dangerous you don't know what might happen, maybe chameleon man
will come out and get you because you mixed human cells with Animal cells,
but getting that kind of result is very very very very very very very very very
very very very very very very very very very very very very very very
very very very very less likely, so, I think it's all right to do that.

CongressmanReality

Jun 25 2006, 03:20 PM

Let me know when they start transplanting horse organs onto humans...i'll be the first to sign up....They'll no longer say that guy is hung like a horse, they'll say, wow that horse is hung like a human...lol

BuyMeAPony

Jun 25 2006, 03:51 PM

I think it is fantastic. Stem cell research is not so limited here as it is in the United States. I think it will do damaged to the US in the long run. In science you will have a hard time catching up when you are lacking 8 years worth of research.

Wouldnt it be fantastic to be able to say replace your damaged heart for one that someone grew for you in a lab from your own cells? I for one look forward to the day when such things are possible.

As far as making human/animal hybrids like a human head on a goats body, youd have to do some pretty far fetched engineering to get those physiologically different specimens to align enough to have coordination and movements.

Code

Jun 25 2006, 09:46 PM

I think that yes while there are definite advantages to the study of disease prevention or curing it is morally wrong to experiment with animals and human dna. Especially once it gets to the stage of trying to create a human/goat or whatever. Think about what has happened that has been covered up and not publicised, perhaps scientists have already created a half human half something and had to kill it to remain secretive! Besides I bleive no matter how many diseases we find a cure for there will always be a new disease to replace the cured ones. Why cant we as humans just accept the fact that we have our time on earth and thats that!! I for one dont want to be living past 70 anyway.

psychicx

Jun 28 2006, 02:06 AM

QUOTE(BuyMeAPony @ Jun 25 2006, 03:51 PM) [snapback]1245137[/snapback]

i to believe in stemcell research and i hardly think they are deliberately creating anything other than what is best for us humans.. ya read too much fantasy .. bren

crystal sage

Jul 11 2006, 03:44 PM

I think it is wrong to blend human and animal..genes.

there are so many mutating viruses..and bacteria around...
wouldn't it make it easier for us to catch illnesses that just used to only affect the animal species...

they say that aids came from monkeys... was a disease found in the monkey population...

We've been innoculated with anitbodies..made with animals tissues.....eg..polio..Small pox..from cows..

http://thinktwice.com/Polio.pdf

the polio vactinations ... of the 1950' 60's and 70's.. were found to cause brain tumor s in children... infertility etc...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/806099/posts

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/vidsgenocide29jan05.shtml

http://www.meria.net/subscribers/interview...ne_dangers.html

There are more secondary diseases that could have been caused by this blending ..all in the name of research...

Youve probably read about people who have received donar organs... how the memories..habits..tastes or the donar was passed onto the recipient...

What gets passed on from an animal donar??
as we'll end up with>>>>

And cloning....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1424267.stm

Atheist God

Jul 11 2006, 05:56 PM

I say if it benifits us do it.

Is it wrong to use the tools we were givin to strive for perfection. It is known that many animals have immune systems better then that of humans. They also have other benifits which I will talk about below.

Now besides splicing DNA and genetically engineering super babies animal DNA like frogs for example could benifit us in space travel. Say we go to Mars it take roughly about 45 to 90 days at our current technological level. Frogs have a unique ability to be frozen and unthawed without sustaining damage at the cellular level. If humans could possess the same ability we could go into a type of hyper sleep and cryogenics as well.

People think that if you splice a human and a cat for example we would inheritly share the same weaknesses. This is not the case since we would only take the genetic code that would be benificial for us. So we could inherit all the strengths of an animal and none of it's weaknesses. We would simply edit out the DNA that was non-benificial and possibly harmfull to use and only use what we want.

In the above post it was mentioned that because AIDS came from monkeys. Well we could simply edit out the weaknesses and make it so that the person was immune to the virus at the same time inheriting all of the parts we want.

crystal sage

Jul 11 2006, 11:47 PM

http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn1679

Dominko says that the trauma of removing the nucleus from the egg might be what triggers the defects. Eggs whose nuclei are removed and then put back inside show the same abnormalities, as well as evidence of programmed cell suicide. "This is not to say that normal embryos can't be made, but not on a regular basis," says Dominko.

Cloned animals and the placenta that nourish them before birth often are dramatically larger than their normal counterparts. Animals also frequently suffer from birth defects and die within hours of birth. These problems, collectively termed large offspring syndrome, result in only 1-5 percent of cloned animals surviving to adulthood. The reasons for these complications have remained a mystery and raised considerable concerns about the cloning process.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2001/...10511073756.htm

crystal sage

Jul 11 2006, 11:49 PM

William Sheridan's drawing skills were stuck at nursery level. His stick figures were the sort you would expect of a child.

But as he convalesced after a heart transplant operation, he experienced an astonishing revelation.

Suddenly he was blessed with an artistic talent he simply did not recognise, producing beautiful drawings of wildlife and landscapes.

He was even more amazed when he discovered what he now believes to be the explanation. The man who donated his new heart was a keen artist.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/arti...in_page_id=1774

Atheist God

Jul 12 2006, 05:53 AM

QUOTE(crystal sage @ Jul 11 2006, 06:49 PM) [snapback]1266572[/snapback]

I'm just throwing this out here but is it a possibility that he never knew he could draw and that the heart surgury never actually made him draw better he just realized he could. I mean there can always be plausable explanations. It just doesn't make sense that a muscle could make you draw better.

pickles

Feb 7 2007, 05:51 PM

[quote name='GanjaGuru' date='Jul 11 2006, 02:26 PM' post='1266124']
I say if it benifits us do it.

Is it wrong to use the tools we were givin to strive for perfection. It is known that many animals have immune systems better then that of humans. They also have other benifits which I will talk about below.

Now besides splicing DNA and genetically engineering super babies animal DNA like frogs for example could benifit us in space travel. Say we go to Mars it take roughly about 45 to 90 days at our current technological level. Frogs have a unique ability to be frozen and unthawed without sustaining damage at the cellular level. If humans could possess the same ability we could go into a type of hyper sleep and cryogenics as well.

People think that if you splice a human and a cat for example we would inheritly share the same weaknesses. This is not the case since we would only take the genetic code that would be benificial for us. So we could inherit all the strengths of an animal and none of it's weaknesses. We would simply edit out the DNA that was non-benificial and possibly harmfull to use and only use what we want.

In the above post it was mentioned that because AIDS came from monkeys. Well we could simply edit out the weaknesses and make it so that the person was immune to the virus at the same time inheriting all of the parts we want.

Wow this forum is really amazing this information at hand here can change the world imagine a world without disease , no more problems with the human body. But if we get to full of our self a serious problem could be brought to the table very soon if we do not take precaution.

BlueMoods

Feb 7 2007, 06:11 PM

I agree that we should use this type of research for our benefit, but do so cautiously. As has been pointed out, sometimes we can't for see the long term consequences of it. I doubt science could create a true cross species hybrid that would survive and be able to function with the possible exception of something along the lines of human/chimpanzee. That does happen with lower animals, mules are horse/donkey for one. I just hope that if it does happen with us, we end up with the benefits of both species as do mules.

Celumnaz

Feb 7 2007, 06:29 PM

Personally, I think it's wrong and unintended concequences Will get us... but I'm not going to actively try to stop it unless it comes up for a vote somewhere. I would never accept an animal organ transplant or anything like that for Myself. Far as others, ppl can do to themselves what they want. I'd say don't do it but your life is your own, can only say my opinion.

Isis2200

Feb 7 2007, 06:46 PM

QUOTE(dreamhunter @ Jun 20 2006, 11:01 PM) [snapback]1239681[/snapback]

In China, there are 29 goats running around on a farm with human cells coursing through their organs, a result of scientists dropping human blood cells into goat embryos.

Hi Dreamhunter,

I think it's wrong wrong wrong to do something like this.

And also,

There are many humans running around on a farm called "Earth" with alien cells coursing through their body, a result of alien genetic engineering currently being implemented.

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DemonWatcher

Feb 8 2007, 05:27 AM

does it really matter we are all chimeras, from birth we carry our mothers blood, it is a result of our mothers body fighting us off as an infection of some kind, so why worry, we have all been duped by science fiction and the media. both have been saying we will create monsters, the ressurection of Hitler and so on, so i says have fun but be responsible and think it through and i mean count all the pros and cons before proceding with any actual experiments.

Reality Shift believer

Feb 9 2007, 10:55 PM

I've had this thing about electrokinesis. I've always thought of adding electric-eel genes into humans. HUMAN SHOCKER! But the problem lies is when you go to kiss a girl, she'll get brain damage, or if your building a computer, you'll ruin components, and the main problem.....Gas Pumps!

crystal sage

Feb 9 2007, 11:23 PM

I just think it will cause more mutations ......positive and negative...mainly more negative.... as well as adding positive mutations...it could bring about introducing new genetic weaknesses as well...

We have not really discovered how genetic determined behaviours ...predelictions ... are passed from from generation to generation.. some see it as Karma...etc... so mixing cells ...organs... from human to animal...and vice versa... could create some unforseen problems...

genetic diseases....weaknesses being passed on... or consciousnesses of the participants....???
We've all read about organ recipients who have aquired memories...tastes... of their donars.... Well who wants to share experiences with an animal.. or give an animal human memories???...

Would it cause an evolutional leap of consciousness on the part of the animals???

Eg... those chimps etc... that can communicate with sign language... would their thought processes be altered if they received human transplants or excessive transfusions from one particular donar... would memories be stored in the blood too?????
http://www.mindpowernews.com/OrganMemoryTransfer.htm
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/CellularMemories.html

undersquiggle

Feb 14 2007, 11:28 AM

I think that it is a bit of a tender topic. Religious people may see it as an abomination to God, as most already do. i mean, most catholic priests dont even like harry potter, how will they ever be able to deal with human - animal Gene splicing. i mean, think of it this way. In very medieval times, there were a lot of people against "Medicine" because they believed that only god could cure the sick. as we understand today, thats absurd. I am certain that a hundred or so years into the future, people will look back and wonder why we didnt do it sooner. imagine, a 6 child is hit by a car, and loses his arm. thanx to the insolated gene that lets lizards regrow their tails that was embedded into his genes as an embryo, he can grow that back instead of going threw painful prosthesis operations.

I Believe that nature has carried us to a breaking point evolution-wise. We have advanced to a point where we have no natural predators. we have no natural reason to need to evolve any further, therefor we must implement the tools of mother nature ourselves and force evolution into our bodies. we are a remarkable race of animals true, but think about what we could make ourselves. induce psionic abilities, super-strength, Stop, and likely reverse the aging process. we could protect ourselves from all diseases so easily, all we would have to do is put a gene into an egg, and the disease is unable to harm us. with this technology we could change the very foundations of our very society. i dont think its a question of IF, its a question of When.

Staari

Feb 14 2007, 01:04 PM

All I can say is if you play with fire ... you will be burnt!!!

~*~

Staari

Feb 14 2007, 01:22 PM

Stupidity has its price!!!

~*~

Ashley-Star*Child

Feb 14 2007, 01:31 PM

You know I heard from my mother that back in the 80's a cat mixed with a dog and made a drat. They had to put it down. The same will happen if they're ever stupid enough to mix animals with humans.

Celumnaz

Feb 14 2007, 01:34 PM

Heard a conversation that started out full on pro mixing Animal and Human cells. Mostly for study but for other purposes as well, all benificial.
It went on with growing human parts on animals and saying the animal is 95% animal and 5% human. What happens as they become 10% human, and then 51% human? Is there a cutoff?

Atheist God

Feb 14 2007, 04:35 PM

QUOTE(dreamhunter @ Jun 20 2006, 10:03 PM) [snapback]1239682[/snapback]

what i want to know is that is it right to be doing this or not right, what to you think?

Ahh the good ol designer baby talk....

It's not so much that it is wrong although many will oppose enhancing human genetics to make us better. Self enhancement is logically the next step for any intellegent species that wishes to become better.

Animals are immune to diseases we aren't for example, take HIV/AIDS. What we would do is examine the part of the animal DNA that provides it's immunity and re-arrange our DNA to match that....

I have stated before that self-evolution will have it's problems...

As we progress further technologically and physically as well as mentally a large fraction of the global population will oppose it. While I am on board for genetic engineering and enhancements through cybernetics a lot of people aren't. Religious beleif that we were created by a God or Gods will ultimatly lead to a major conflict. This will ultimatly lead to a genocide of past human beings as they are steadily phased out. The more advanced of 2 cultures has always overtaken the less advanced.

On one side we have the human purists the ones who do not wish to change and oppose others doing so, and on the other we will have the human perfectionists who wish to perfect the species. The human perfectionists being smarter and more advanced will simply out smart traditional humans and see them more like a virus that hinders progress.

The first attack will be launched by those who feel the most threatened the purists, and the perfectionists will retalliate resulting in total genocide most likely biological weapons.

This is of coarse one of many possible scenarios we will face in the future and completely hypothetical.

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Self enhancement is always right it just depends on when, currently humanity is not ready for such technological and physical change. I figure in about 50 years there will be little opposition to this idea. The only difference between animals and humans is that we understand the universe.

aquatus1

Feb 14 2007, 04:39 PM

If the topic is not the value of the work, or the advantages that it will bring to us (to say nothing of the competition from other countries in the same field), then we have to figure exactly what the stumbling block is. In this case, as was stated in the original article, the problem is that there is no generally agreed upon Code of Ethics to deal with the situation. The solution, then, isn't to run away or hide from the problem, but rather to face it dead on, and create a code of ethics.

It's entirely too easy to avoid the topic by doing nothing more than stating your own personal moral viewpoint, but that is, ultimately, at most the first step and at worst fairly irrelevant. Of course everyone has different views on a situation. The purpose of a Code of Ethics, however, is to come to a common understanding. A Code of Ethics is a social contract from all involved, which basically sets up a defined sort of social morality for a given situation. It is a compromise of competing cultures and values, created so that the actual work can progress. If this code of ethics is missing, then all you are left with is a given person's personal opinions, and frankly, the vast majority of people have only very vaguely defined ideas as to what their ethics and morals are.

RamboIII

Feb 14 2007, 04:42 PM

If you mix together carrots and peas, the final result is still carrots and peas.

Isis2200

Feb 15 2007, 02:47 AM

QUOTE(Staari @ Feb 14 2007, 08:22 AM) [snapback]1542938[/snapback]

Stupidity has its price!!!

~*~

Yes, it does, Staari; and I agree with what you said about playing with fire. This is so true.

Years ago I heard someone stress the importance of knowing the difference between Intelligence and Wisdom. From the looks of it, we have many many people out there in the world that are intelligent but not many who are wise. Stupid, foolish --these words describe many of the people we consider intelligent.....the same people who are doing these types of experiments without regard to the long-term consequences.

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666XZ

Feb 15 2007, 04:36 AM

QUOTE(dreamhunter @ Jun 21 2006, 04:03 AM) [snapback]1239682[/snapback]

what i want to know is that is it right to be doing this or not right, what to you think?

sure why not

pickles

Feb 16 2007, 05:02 PM

QUOTE(strangebutsmart @ Jun 21 2006, 02:32 PM) [snapback]1240397[/snapback]

No seriously do you think that what you just said could be true. Do you think the govt has tried expirements and created something that they didnt expect. Example the hulk. Could that really have ben done by accident>?

pickles

Feb 16 2007, 05:08 PM

QUOTE(crystal sage @ Feb 9 2007, 07:53 PM) [snapback]1536603[/snapback]

I just think it will cause more mutations ......positive and negative...mainly more negative.... as well as adding positive mutations...it could bring about introducing new genetic weaknesses as well...
We have not really discovered how genetic determined behaviours ...predelictions ... are passed from from generation to generation.. some see it as Karma...etc... so mixing cells ...organs... from human to animal...and vice versa... could create some unforseen problems...

genetic diseases....weaknesses being passed on... or consciousnesses of the participants....???
We've all read about organ recipients who have aquired memories...tastes... of their donars.... Well who wants to share experiences with an animal.. or give an animal human memories???...

Would it cause an evolutional leap of consciousness on the part of the animals???

Eg... those chimps etc... that can communicate with sign language... would their thought processes be altered if they received human transplants or excessive transfusions from one particular donar... would memories be stored in the blood too?????
http://www.mindpowernews.com/OrganMemoryTransfer.htm
http://www.nexusmagazine.com/articles/CellularMemories.html

This would be crazzy, i think this could get out of control what happens if you create something that is incredibly hard to kill?

Die_Betch

Feb 18 2007, 06:09 PM

good for medical understanding and good for the world

Isis2200

Feb 18 2007, 09:04 PM

QUOTE(RamboIII @ Feb 14 2007, 11:42 AM) [snapback]1543112[/snapback]

If you mix together carrots and peas, the final result is still carrots and peas.

Lol I'd much rather have peas and corn.

But I know what you mean, Rambo. I read the other day that cows love carrots, but milk-producing cows are not given carrots because it turns the milk pink. Hey, milk is milk, right? They can pretend it's strawberry milk.

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