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EviL_Phreak
With only visualition you will not succeed!!!

Why becuse if you just visualize it will not work.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kmGGvBZGAhY&...rch=chi######power

A real pyro and electro kinetic see he uses his body not just visualation!!!
kariudo115
are you saying you belive this guy?
astail
QUOTE(kariudo115 @ Jun 25 2006, 11:01 PM) [snapback]1245510[/snapback]

are you saying you belive this guy?

y not believe him... but do not judge instead train urself and then u will know for ur self whats real and whats not even if this guy was just a fake u would know that it is possibablecause u will be able to do it ..or at least some of it...I already know that it is possibable because I have abilities not to that exsent ..yet but I can tell they will be one day. and one more thing is any time some one gives skeptics some type of something they disregard it with out quastion...thats not right
kariudo115
QUOTE(astail @ Jun 25 2006, 06:59 PM) [snapback]1245563[/snapback]

y not believe him... but do not judge instead train urself and then u will know for ur self whats real and whats not even if this guy was just a fake u would know that it is possibablecause u will be able to do it ..or at least some of it...I already know that it is possibable because I have abilities not to that exsent ..yet but I can tell they will be one day. and one more thing is any time some one gives skeptics some type of something they disregard it with out quastion...thats not right

if you would have read my other posts you would have realized im not a skeptic(although i do retain healthy skepticism), i do this stuffs myself, i was just asking Evil_freak, because most of the time he is very skeptical
astail
QUOTE(kariudo115 @ Jun 26 2006, 12:02 AM) [snapback]1245567[/snapback]

if you would have read my other posts you would have realized im not a skeptic(although i do retain healthy skepticism), i do this stuffs myself, i was just asking Evil_freak, because most of the time he is very skeptical

yeah I kinda felt that after I reread ur firsy post sorry
kariudo115
np
Moro
What is it with hall these Kenesis's on here! Do they really work?
Is it something that you mainly practice alone or can anyone do it in groups for fun?
And i thought Telekinesis was the main one over all because it is the ability to control all elements?
I thought i controled a candle light once but i dont think i meant to it was just my unconscience mind at work the flame moved around in circles about 6 or so times shot upwards about 3in. and went out!
Yommi
QUOTE(EviL_Phreak @ Jun 21 2006, 07:44 PM) [snapback]1240762[/snapback]

With only visualition you will not succeed!!!

Why becuse if you just visualize it will not work.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kmGGvBZGAhY&...=chi######power

A real pyro and electro kinetic see he uses his body not just visualation!!!


um, he uses his body because it's qi gong lol. I have researched and qi gong methods can be dangerous so I suggest not trying to do this immediatly.
kariudo115
i do some qi gong, but the chinese xiao lin qi gong, where ou break stuff, like iron neck, iorn crotch, and iron head.... the only problem with bending bamboo on your neck is that it leaves a hikky....
The_Scorpion
Yes, I've seen Qi Gong (or Chi Kung) practicioners do some amazing things. I've seen a woman walking on lightbulbs without them breaking, I've seen a guy throw a needle through a window, a guy putting the tip of a spear on his throat and then lean on the spear until it snapped (and yes, the spear was really sharp, they let you feel it) among other things. However, I've never seen anyone burn a newspaper or electrify someone... but Qi gong works with heat so its not even that farfetched. I saw a documentary about Qi Gong once on National Geographic and they used a heat sensitive camera to see what is going on inside the body of a Qi Gong practicioner. They could see that the bodyparts where he wanted energy to go became alot warmer then they usually are, and they could see the heat moving through his body, it was really interesting thumbsup.gif
Kazuma
You don't HAVE to use your body. I'm sure it just makes it a lot easier, though, since then you don't have to go through the visualization of making the electricity go through the air and hit its target, ect, ect, blah blah blah.
angrycrustacean
But isn't visualization part of the process of imagining things?

You know, like kineses?
kariudo115
well, considering qi-gong practitioners are a lot more realistic about it... the further an energy moves, the more rapidly its influince declines. lets consider light, for example. when your at the lights source its brightness is at 100%, now lets move 2 units away, and say the lights brightness is then at 50%, now move 4 units away, the lights brightness would be at 15%...(works with light, magnetism, heat...ect...)

it would be the same thing with this energy, its source is the practitioners body, and the closer he is to the object, the more effect the energy would have
Yommi
QUOTE(angrycrustacean @ Jun 26 2006, 02:33 PM) [snapback]1246647[/snapback]

But isn't visualization part of the process of imagining things?

You know, like kineses?


visialization is a key part in any kinesis. qi gong is different and more realistic (if you will) as kariudo115 has just said. If there were a way to combine both methods effectively that would be a true sight! yes.gif
kariudo115
the thing with visualization is, its not just immagening seeing something... thats something greatly misunderstood--- and y i dont like the term visualization, i more prefer immagening, because it can be done with sound, touch, smell, & taste as well(most common are sound touch and sight), and you dont actually see anything... you imagine it...
Yommi
QUOTE(kariudo115 @ Jun 26 2006, 08:16 PM) [snapback]1247101[/snapback]

the thing with visualization is, its not just immagening seeing something... thats something greatly misunderstood--- and y i dont like the term visualization, i more prefer immagening, because it can be done with sound, touch, smell, & taste as well(most common are sound touch and sight), and you dont actually see anything... you imagine it...


well people do use the word visualize in that sense. EXAMPLE: Visualize yourself in that new car. the car isn't exactly there now is it? but, I can see your point. It depends on how you look at it. Imagine can easily be swapped with visualize.
kariudo115
i just dont like the term visualize because its misunderstood, especially because neophytes(noobs...) dont understand it
Epter
Let me make some things a little clear

I always thought that using visualization is focusing enough thought energy to manifest itself in the physical world.

But here is the thing about chi

Everyone has chi. Everyone is born with chi. It is our life force. He does condensing breathing to accumulate jing, which is something like highly vibrated chi, and sends it through his body with his mind. From the video you can see that before any of the feats are preformed He breathes in to condense the chi in to his bone marrow, then he exhales, and sends the jing to where ever he wants it to go through his body. The electric shock that he used to shock people was him sending jing through his hand and transferring it to the other persons body. Thats how tai chi chuan is so great. The thing where he lights the newspaper on fire is when he produced so much jing , the vibrations affected the "atoms" of the newspaper. and the intense vibrations sped up the atoms bla bla and made fire.

He uses only his mind to do all this.

Thats how people in the old days were able to fly n stuff like you see in martial arts movies.


Megalomania
Wow. Interesting video.
I don't believe it, but interesting none-the-less.
Kazuma
"visialization is a key part in any kinesis"

Not Telekinesis. I've found that I have to keep an empty mind to perform Telekinesis, not visualize something, to get the object to move.
The_Scorpion
Qi gong mostly uses visualisation too. The movements are mostly to convince your brain that you are actually doing something. People manipulating energy with just their mind is very hard to grasp for most people, that is why there are movements involved.
Yommi
QUOTE(Epter @ Jun 26 2006, 11:59 PM) [snapback]1247529[/snapback]

Thats how people in the old days were able to fly n stuff like you see in martial arts movies.


hummm, I'm not sure how positive it was to fly. Maybe you've seen too many Chinese movies. Who knows, maybe they did fly. . . original.gif
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE(kariudo115 @ Jun 25 2006, 07:02 PM) [snapback]1245567[/snapback]

if you would have read my other posts you would have realized im not a skeptic(although i do retain healthy skepticism), i do this stuffs myself, i was just asking Evil_freak, because most of the time he is very skeptical

Embrace your skepticism.

QUOTE(astail @ Jun 25 2006, 06:59 PM) [snapback]1245563[/snapback]

y not believe him... but do not judge instead train urself and then u will know for ur self whats real and whats not even if this guy was just a fake u would know that it is possibablecause u will be able to do it ..or at least some of it...I already know that it is possibable because I have abilities not to that exsent ..yet but I can tell they will be one day. and one more thing is any time some one gives skeptics some type of something they disregard it with out quastion...thats not right

You are strong in the force. devil.gif
lonewolf3002
What is Qi Gong and to visialize is always key even in telekinesis you must visialize the object moving.
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