I appreciate that this information could probably be found within other threads but I just wanted to ask...what are the main arguments against a one world government. The tribes within England used to fight amongst themselves until they were united under one government, the countries of the UK used to fight amongst themselves until there was a one nation government, the countries of Europe used to fight amongst themselves until there was an European Union, the countries of the world will fight amongst themselves until......maybe a 'tad' simplistic. Not saying that I particularily agree with this route but would be interested in the counterargument, preferably without reference to lizards, shapeshifters etc.

Thats easy if you look at the state of affairs in the US.

they want to turn the world into a prison system, there are currently over 2million prisoners, mainly for minor drug related offences (and consider that their government supplies most of the drugs).

Do you think that situation will improve or get worse? Get worse definately. Think about how living in a big brother police state will affect everyones lives.

There are only three countries in the world that will execute a minor, america is one of them.

And as for things like freedom and truth and justice. Remember those words, cause in a few years they wont be applicable and in a few more, wont exist (1984 anyone?)

to quote a sign in american airports "Inappropriate comments are illegal"

I am all for world peace and all that, but at what cost?

But surely the one world government would do exactly the opposite. Since the UK joined the EU the liberal route is being followed with 'human rights' and the like being much more important (to an insane level). It is now impossible to execute within the EU and even though the US is a large powerful country it could not impose its own agenda and would have to go with the majority decision. By staying out of such a structure the American sphere of influence would shrink to zero, its trading partners would be few and far between and it would not be able to flex its muscle, financially or militarily, against anyone no matter how small. Hypothetical of course as the chances of getting N Korea, China etc to join would be even less.

No, its their plan. The only way to control a global population is too have massive surveilence in place(already starting), with a zero-tolerance policy toward crime(whilst making BS laws to make us all criminals).

but to even consider this argument in terms of countries cannot work because all the major powers are controlled by the same sources. Same as it doesnt matter who is president of america, they will always work towards the same agenda. They will always have a majority decision because they are the majority.

America is ruling by might, not right.
They are starting mandatory conscription(min. 2years) and even working on a new nuclear bomb. That is apart from the fact that they are the only country to ever use nukes and use mini-nukes and DU as a routine weapon.

And as for working towards human rights, that is also bull. More rights are being violated everyday. What type of country will start a campaign against a country that has a population of 90% children, of that 50% under 15years old, engaging with the full might and wrath of a super power. And everyone else stands back and watches.
What have the EU done about the wars? nothing. They gain from it.

But you are talking about the things the States are doing whereas the EU is doing all it can to keep people OUT of jails (just pick up a UK newspaper, people are in uproar). Sentences are getting smaller, in fact rulings are in place where jail terms are not to be given at all for crimes that previously would have seen 5 years time. On top of this freedom of information is also snowballing here personal records from all departments are freely available now and if you can be bothered and you are quick enough you can ask for cctv records containing your image (possible urban myth I haven't researched that) If ALL countries are controlled by the same sources why did they allow the formation of the EU in the first place? Germany and France stood against the US/UK invasion and were pilloried in US/UK press for it. While NATO still stands and Europe needs the US for its defence that will stay the case, you don't bite the hand that feeds you....untill you can feed yourself ( remember its still a relatively new entity).

They allowed the formation of the EU to pave the way for NWO.
And the UK is becoming just as bad as america as a fascist nazi state.
The CCTV cameras are everywhere, the can even listen to conversations in the street.
they are changing the law to stop taxing on fuel and start taxing on milage. In other words, when you get in your car and go, the camera picks it up and the computer tracks you.
Speed a bit? You'll get your fine later.
Skip a light? You'll get that fine too.


Do some research into the freemasons and see just how many of the world leaders are all connected.


Do some research into masonic symbolism in the EU. Even the euro has the traditional 666 symbolism on it.
Its all a front to deceive the masses until the plan for NWO can go through.

A good book to read is 1984 by orwell, it describes big-brother police states perfectly.
And we are already well on the way towards it.

Consider the following quote from top illuminati...
"It doesn't matter who the people voted for; they always vote for us".

"It's not the votes that count, it's who counts the votes."

"The UN is but a long-range, international banking apparatus clearly set up for financial and economic profit by a small group of powerful One-World revolutionaries, hungry for profit and power. "

"The world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes."

"An agreement was reached; the policy of the papers was bought, to be paid for by the month; an editor was furnished for each paper to properly supervise and edit information regarding the questions of preparedness, militarism, financial policies, and other things of national and international nature considered vital to the interests of the purchasers."

"Fictions are necessary to the people, and the Truth becomes deadly to those who are not strong enough to contemplate it in all its brilliance. In fact, what can there be in common between the vile multitude and sublime wisdom? The truth must be kept secret, and the masses need a teaching proportioned to their imperfect reason.

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A good place for information into everything from state sponsored terrorism to NWO is 2Tuffs site - the unhived mind.
Have a look
http://s13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MIND/index.php

Dont speed/skip lights and you won't

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."
--Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

You are only free to do what they allow you to do. If you wish to do somthing that the community does not agree with, you can't do it. You will love your servitude.

I believe there will be a revolution of mind, before that time.

Before the time babylon rules all of the world so strategically, humans from all corners of world are confused.

The elites must learn LOVE IS THE ANSWER, THERE IS NO OTHER.

One world Govt. is utter evil. To politrick so many will inevitably be impossible, one must overstand the uprise has already begun.

I did read up on NWO , the masons etc. but hard evidence is thin on the ground, its mainly heresay and conjecture (unless someone can link me to HARD evidence). In the meantime it seems that , yes, America has gone to the dogs, Europe has gone in an opposite direction and never the twain..blah blah.My question is now, on the basis of HARD evidence what would possibly be wrong with a world council ? Surely a world discussion forum would be better than America doing what it wants on all our behalfs without asking us? Or is that the point of the whole NWO thing to make us think we need America acting in a maverick manner? Remember that they see themselves as the Rebels from Star Wars however to the other 95% of the world they are the Stormtroopers !

Fair comment but WHY is that then?

I m 33 and have done what I want when I have wanted to since I was about 14 I really dont understand what you think I am being restricted from doing and how that relates to the pro's and con's of a one world government. Who is stopping me from doing what and whats the HARD evidence ?

Wait until we have a world government and then ask me.

Okey cokey mate but surely it would be too late by then ?......maybe you could give me a link to some HARD evidence of the nightmare that awaits and please explain what I am being restricted from doing.
Take 5 and watch this vid
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=80...81&q=lennon

AHHHH!

Good way to get your point accross!

Before I start, a good book to read that describes the big brother state is Orwell's 1984.
Considering orwell was also a freemason, consider it an insiders look into the NWO.
I have it on PDf if anyone is interested.

Ok, first we look at how the world is moving into a big brother state and what it means to us.
http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MI...?showtopic=4245

Now consider how gadgets make people easy to track(remember, places like paris are entirely Wi-Fi already)
http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MI...showtopic=10140

And the plan to microchip every newborn...
http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MI...?showtopic=9404

Now we can look at how we are controlled through financial institutions
http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MI...showtopic=10936

and Why the Dollar Bubble is about to Burst
http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MI...showtopic=10889

Now we can progress on who exactly is the illumaniti and how they rule
http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MI...?showtopic=1321

And this is a collection of quotes from (in)famous illuminists. This gives you a good idea of their thinking and agenda
http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MI...showtopic=11088

And finally the history of the New World Order
http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MI...showtopic=11057

Thanks for that mate...gave me a good overview. Still not really sure about what is the final aim tho. Ok, say all that you have posted is true and fact, what is the point ? To rule the world? But they already do don't they ? To enslave us all ? But you said we are 'sheeple' and already enslaved. Money they seem to have in abundance beyond what can be spent. I just dont see what advantage there is for them if, like you say, there is a plan for a one world government. Surely divided we fall ?

No problem, thanks for having a look.

Basicly, the illuminati are a group of elite individuals that all belong to certain specific bloodlines that regard the rest of humanity as inferior. They came up with a plan for world domination thousands of years ago by infiltrating all areas of government and society and by creating strife and upheaval.
I'd say the big thing about NWO is control. Control of us, control of our thoughts, control of our actions.


People are manipulated into being docile, not thinking for themselves, not questioning what we are told. We allow ourselves to be enslaved.

Lets consider this for a moment.
* We are born and raised by our parents to fit into society.
* We go to school to be brainwashed with propaganda and lies.
* We leave school and enter the workforce
* We work our entire lives with not much to show for it.
Every month we get a pay check, of that, X goes to rent, X for food, X for bills and whatever, a big X goes for tax leaving very little to show for a whole months work.
So essentially we work just to stay in the system. the same system that is designed to keep us trapped in servitude with things like debt and materialism.

Surely this is not how society should be.

We trust that the powers that be look after us but meanwhile they are poisoning us(and our children) with things like flouride in the water, poisons in our food, even poisons in our air.
They are destroying the world at a rapid pace and destroying us even faster.

Man, i give you big props for saying all that. You seem very in to this.

School is not all brainwashing however. But, there are definite improvements needed.

Hey what can I say, I spend alot of time studying stuff like this and I dont concentrate on one area of interest. Everyone needs a hobby, mine is playstationa and conspiracies.

But I hate to tell you that school is brainwashing and propaganda.

A good phrase from 1984 is "to control the future, you must control the past."
And that is what is happening.
History is rewritten and we are taught lies.
how many think that america was the deciding factor in WWI + II.
Its all BS, thats propaganda for you.

And its about regimenting the youth. Getting them ready for discipline and servitude.
Wear your uniform. Stay in Line. Keep Quite. Keep to yourself. Thats what they want in school.

Here is a link to mind control in the 21st Century.
http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MI...?showtopic=5203

So its already a done job...whats the benefit to them of continuing to scale things up especially in these days where forums like this and other peer to peer media allow them to be sussed?

Also I have only had 2 dealings with cctv...the first I was arrested by a copper in a bad mood and charged with complete bs. Fortunately a camera was watching resulting in charges dropped and a letter of apology. The second time I was approached by 2 lads who wanted my phone, cash and cards...I told them to look up and smile for the camera at which point they skidaddled...2 for 2 so far.

You reseach this a lot. PS2 is fun, especially NBA LIVE.

Anyways, while we "play playstations, they're building spacestations on mars." - nas.

School has some importance like teaching you how to READ, and basic MATH. Schoool system tends to recite, rehearse, teach and preach WAR. This is wrong, we should learn from our past and others mistakes, wrong. WE should teach and rehearse the ideology of love. Not WAR.

School leaves one with 30 arrows pointing in directions, directions that were completely unsuitable for me. I didn't want to be anything that my carreer counsilors told me. Infact, i thought school was a joke. Why am i in here when i can be out there getting money?... i used to think. How am i gonna be able to goto miami 5 times a year, and get the new ferrari being any of the above arrows?

Teachers don't seem to care for students as much as they should. I felt every year i was in school teachers cared less and less.

Do you believe in the almighty? Do you believe he will send another brother moses to free the people from the evils?

Depends on the school...The schools here are great.

You got uniforms, or metal detectors in yours yet?

Personally,

My district, back in highschool, was always on strike. I had to take a test in grade 12 for carreer planning, that would enable me to see my options. Teachers told me to be a Airport Security Guard, amoung other things....? But that was #1.

LOL. I was like damn... this just aint me.

Im wanna be a revolutionist! Change all this sh**.

Dont waste your time trying to figure out there secret societys. The real ones-the most dangerous one-We probably know nothing about them. The only thing that can save our future is a revolution of thought. Otherwise were doomed. Me? Id sooner die. And if it ever comes to it, Ill be the first in line to have them put a bullet in me. I would much prefer that to living a life of quit apathy, Silenced or imprisoned. Idealistic I know, But then at least I know what I believe in. More than many people can say.