Anyone watch Frontline on PBS recently? They did a piece on Dick Cheney called The Dark Side.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/darkside/

I highly recommend it. It basically sets out that the plan was to go to war with Iraq, using whatever means necessary including knowingly ignoring contrary intelligence work, showing that key Al Quaeda figures were not in supposed meetings with Iraqi goverment officials as told by Cheney numerous times on major television news outlets. It went on to show how Cheney built a power structure within the Whitehouse that would basically do his bidding. The full show is offered on the website listed above.
Along with that there have been a few articles and a piece shown on CBS 60 Minutes detailing Cheneys deep relationship with Halliburton. Hmm I'm no genius but lets put two and two together, a man with deep ties to Halliburton pushes for a war on knowingly false intelligence, then goes to war and nearly every single contract is given to said company. Can anyone say conflict of interest???

The 'merging of state and business leadership' is highlighted in this piece which appeared on CBS News Online.


April 27, 2003


After dropping more than 28,000 bombs on Iraq, the United States has now begun the business of rebuilding the country.

And it promises to be quite a business. With at least $60 billion to be spent over the next three years, the Iraqi people won't be the only ones benefiting. The companies that land the biggest contracts to do the work will cash in big-time.

Given all the taxpayer money involved, you might think the process for awarding those contracts would be open and competitive. Well, so far, it has been none of the above. And the early winners in the sweepstakes to rebuild Iraq have one thing in common: lots of very close friends in very high places, correspondent Steve Kroft reports.

One is Halliburton, the Houston-based energy services and construction giant whose former CEO, Dick Cheney, is now vice president of the United States.

Even before the first shots were fired in Iraq, the Pentagon had secretly awarded Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown & Root a two-year, no-bid contract to put out oil well fires and to handle other unspecified duties involving war damage to the country’s petroleum industry. It is worth up to $7 billion.

But Robert Andersen, chief counsel for the Army Corps of Engineers, says that oil field damage was much less than anticipated and Halliburton will end up collecting only a small fraction of that $7 billion. But he can't say how small a fraction or exactly what the contract covers because the mission and the contract are considered classified information.

Under normal circumstances, the Army Corps of Engineers would have been required to put the oil fire contract out for competitive bidding. But in times of emergency, when national security is involved, the government is allowed to bypass normal procedures and award contracts to a single company, without competition.

And that's exactly what happened with Halliburton.

“We are the only company in the United States that had the kind of systems in place, people in place, contracts in place, to do that kind of thing,” says Chuck Dominy, Halliburton’s vice president for government affairs and its chief lobbyist on Capitol Hill.

He says the Pentagon came to Halliburton because the company already had an existing contract with the Army to provide logistical support to U.S. troops all over the world.

“Let me put a face on Halliburton. It's one of the world's largest energy services companies, and it has a strong engineering and construction arm that goes with that” says Dominy.

“You'll find us in 120 countries. We've got 83,000 people on our payroll, and we're involved in a ton of different things for a lot of wonderful clients worldwide.”

“They had assets prepositioned,” says Anderson. “They had capability to reach out and get sub-contractors to do the various types of work that might be required in a hostile situation.”

“The procurement of this particular contract was done by career civil servants, and I know that it's a perception that those at the very highest levels of the administration, Democrat and Republican, get involved in procurement issues. It can happen. But for the very most part, the procurement system is designed to keep those judgments with the career public servants.”

But is political influence not unknown in the process? In this particular case, Anderson says, it was legally justified and prudent.

But not everyone thought it was prudent. Bob Grace is president of GSM Consulting, a small company in Amarillo, Texas, that has fought oil well fires all over the world. Grace worked for the Kuwait government after the first Gulf War and was in charge of firefighting strategy for the huge Bergan Oil Field, which had more than 300 fires. Last September, when it looked like there might be another Gulf war and more oil well fires, he and a lot of his friends in the industry began contacting the Pentagon and their congressmen.

“All we were trying to find out was, who do we present our credentials to,” says Grace. “We just want to be able to go to somebody and say, ‘Hey, here's who we are, and here's what we've done, and here's what we do.’”

“They basically told us that there wasn't going to be any oil well fires.”
Grace showed 60 Minutes a letter from the Department of Defense saying: "The department is aware of a broad range of well firefighting capabilities and techniques available. However, we believe it is too early to speculate what might happen in the event that war breaks out in the region."

It was dated Dec. 30, 2002, more than a month after the Army Corps of Engineers began talking to Halliburton about putting out oil well fires in Iraq.

“You just feel like you're beating your head against the wall,” says Grace.
However, Andersen says the Pentagon had a very good reason for putting out that message.

“The mission at that time was classified, and what we were doing to assess the possible damage and to prepare for it was classified,” says Andersen. “Communications with the public had to be made with that in mind.”

“I can accept confidentiality in terms of war plans and all that. But to have secrecy about Saddam Hussein blowing up oil wells, to me, is stupid,” says Grace. “I mean the guy's blown up a thousand of them. So why would that be a revelation to anybody?”

But Grace says the whole point of competitive bidding is to save the taxpayers money. He believes they are getting a raw deal. “From what I’ve read in the papers, they're charging $50,000 a day for a five-man team. I know there are guys that are equally as well-qualified as the guys that are over there that'll do it for half that.”

Grace and his friends are no match for Halliburton when it comes to landing government business. Last year alone, Halliburton and its Brown & Root subsidiary delivered $1.3 billion worth of services to the U.S. government.
Much of it was for work the U.S. military used to do itself.

“You help build base camps. You provide goods, laundry, power, sewage, all the kinds of things that keep an army in place in a field operation,” says Dominy.

“Young soldiers have said to me, ‘If I go to war, I want to go to war with Brown & Root.’"

And they have, in places like Afghanistan, Rwanda, Somalia, Kosovo and now Iraq.

“It's a sweetheart contract,” says Charles Lewis, executive director of the Center For Public Integrity, a non-profit organization that investigates corruption and abuse of power by government and corporations. “There's no other word for it.”

Lewis says the trend towards privatizing the military began during the first Bush administration when Dick Cheney was secretary of defense. In 1992, the Pentagon, under Cheney, commissioned the Halliburton subsidiary Brown & Root to do a classified study on whether it was a good idea to have private contractors do more of the military's work.

“Of course, they said it's a terrific idea, and over the next eight years, Kellogg, Brown & Root and another company got 2,700 contracts worth billions of dollars,” says Lewis.

“So they helped to design the architecture for privatizing a lot of what happens today in the Pentagon when we have military engagements. And two years later, when he leaves the department of defense, Cheney is CEO of Halliburton. Thank you very much. It's a nice arrangement for all concerned.”

During the five years that Cheney was at Halliburton, the company nearly doubled the value of its federal contracts, and the vice president became a very rich man.

Lewis is not saying that Cheney did anything illegal. But he doesn't believe for a minute that this was all just a coincidence.

“Why would a defense secretary, former chief of staff to a president, and former member of congress with no business experience ever in his life, not for a day, why would he become the CEO of a multibillion dollar oil services company,” asks Lewis

“Well, it could be related to government contracts. He was brought in to raise their government contract profile. And he did. And they ended up with billions of dollars in new contracts because they had a former defense secretary at the helm.”

Cheney, Lewis says, may be an honorable and brilliant man, but “as George Washington Plunkett once said, ‘I saw my … seen my opportunities and I took them."

Both Halliburton and the Pentagon believe Lewis is insulting not only the vice president but thousands of professional civil servants who evaluate and award defense contracts based strictly on merit.

But does the fact that Cheney used to run Halliburton have any effect at all on the company getting government contracts?

“Zero,” says Dominy. “I will guarantee you that. Absolutely zero impact.”

“In fact, I wish I could embed [critics] in the department of defense contracting system for a week or so. Once they'd done that, they'd have religion just like I do, about how the system cannot be influenced.”
Dominy has been with Halliburton for seven years. Before that, he was former three-star Army general. One of his last military assignments was as a commander at the Army Corps of Engineers.

And now, the Army Corps of Engineers is also the government agency that awards contracts to companies like Halliburton.

Asked if his expertise in that area had anything to do with his employment at Halliburton, Dominy replies, “None.”

But Lewis isn’t surprised at all.

“Of course, he’s from the Army Corps. And of course, he’s a general,” says Lewis. “I’m sure he and no one else at Halliburton sees the slightest thing that might look strange about that, or a little cozy maybe.”

Lewis says the best example of these cozy relationships is the defense policy board, a group of high-powered civilians who advise the secretary of defense on major policy issues - like whether or not to invade Iraq. Its 30 members are a Who's Who of former senior government and military officials.

There’s nothing wrong with that, but as the Center For Public Integrity recently discovered, nine of them have ties to corporations and private companies that have won more than $76 billion in defense contracts. And that's just in the last two years.

“This is not about the revolving door, people going in and out,” says Lewis. “There is no door. There's no wall. I can't tell where one stops and the other starts. I'm dead serious.”

“They have classified clearances, they go to classified meetings and they're with companies getting billions of dollars in classified contracts. And their disclosures about their activities are classified. Well, isn't that what they did when they were inside the government? What's the difference, except they're in the private sector.”

Richard Perle resigned as chairman of the defense policy board last month after it was disclosed that he had financial ties to several companies doing business with the Pentagon.

But Perle still sits on the board, along with former CIA director James Woolsey, who works for the consulting firm of Booz, Allen, Hamilton. The firm did nearly $700 million dollars in business with the Pentagon last year.

Another board member, retired four-star general Jack Sheehan, is now a senior vice president at the Bechtel corporation, which just won a $680 million contract to rebuild the infrastructure in Iraq.

That contract was awarded by the State Department, which used to be run by George Schultz, who sits on Bechtel's board of directors.

“I'm not saying that it's illegal. These guys wrote the laws. They set up the system for themselves. Of course it's legal,” says Lewis.

“It just looks like hell. It looks like you have folks feeding at the trough. And they may be doing it in red white and blue and we may be all singing the "Star Spangled Banner," but they're doing quite well.”

People are dumb.

Americans are some of the dumbest naive and gullable people on the planet. For such a "civilized" society, the establishment have done a wonderful job dumbing down the population.



The High Price Of
American Gullibility
By Paul Craig Roberts
6-28-6


What explains the gullibility of Americans, a gullibility that has mired the U.S. in disastrous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and that promises war with Iran, North Korea, and a variety of other targets if neoconservatives continue to have their way?

Part of the explanation is that millions of conservatives are thrilled at the opportunity to display their patriotism and to show their support for their country. Bush's rhetoric is perfectly designed to appeal to this desire. "You are with us or against us" elicits a blind and unquestioning response from people determined to wear their patriotism on their sleeves. "You are with us or against us" vaccinates Americans against factual reality and guarantees public acceptance of administration propaganda.

Another part of the explanation is that emotional appeals have grown the stronger as the ability of educated people to differentiate fact from rhetoric declines. The Bush administration blamed 9/11 on foreign intelligence failures; yet, the administration has convinced about half of the public that mass surveillance of American citizens is the solution!

Many Americans have turned a blind eye to the administration's illegal and unconstitutional spying on the grounds that, as they themselves are doing nothing wrong, they have nothing to fear. If this is the case, why did our Founding Fathers bother to write the Constitution? If the executive branch can be trusted not to abuse power, why did Congress pass legislation establishing a panel of federal judges (ignored by the Bush administration) to oversee surveillance? If President Bush can decide that he can ignore statutory law, how does he differ from a dictator? If Bush can determine law, what is the role of Congress and the courts? If "national security" is a justification for elevating the power of the executive, where is his incentive to find peaceful solutions?

Emotional appeals to fear and to patriotism have led close to half of the population to accept unaccountable government in the name of "the war on terrorism." What a contradiction it is that so many Americans have been convinced that safety lies in the sacrifice of their civil liberties and accountable government.

If so many Americans cannot discern that they have acquiesced to conditions from which tyranny can arise, how can they understand that it is statistically impossible for the NSA's mass surveillance of Americans to detect terrorists?

Floyd Rudmin, a professor at a Norwegian university, writing at CounterPunch.org applies the mathematics of conditional probability, known as Bayes' Theorem, to demonstrate that the NSA's surveillance cannot successfully detect terrorists unless both the percentage of terrorists in the population and the accuracy rate of their identification are far higher than they are. He correctly concludes that "NSA's surveillance system is useless for finding terrorists."

The surveillance is, however, useful for monitoring political opposition and stymieing the activities of those who do not believe the government's propaganda.

Another reason for the gullibility of Americans is their lack of alternative information to government propaganda. The independence of print and TV media disappeared in the media consolidations of the 1990s. Today a handful of large corporations own the traditional media. The wealth of these corporations consists of broadcast licenses, which the companies hold at the government's discretion. Newspapers are run by corporate executives, whose eyes are on advertising revenue and who shun contentious reporting. The result is that the traditional media are essentially echo chambers for government propaganda.

The Internet and the foreign news media accessible through the Internet are the sources of alternative information. Many Americans have not learned to use and to rely on the Internet for information.

Many Americans find the government's message much more reassuring than the actual facts. The government's message is: "America is virtuous. Virtuous America was attacked by evil terrorists. America is protecting itself by going to war and overthrowing regimes that sponsor or give shelter to terrorists, erecting in their place democracies loyal to America."

Sugarcoated propaganda doesn't present Americans with the emotional and mental stress associated with the hard facts.

In National Socialist Germany, by the time propaganda lost its grip, Germans were in the hands of a police state. It was too late to take corrective measures. Not even the military could correct the disastrous policies of the executive. In the end, Germany was destroyed. Does a similar fate await Americans?

http://www.rense.com/general72/gull.htm

Do you actually believe a human being would start a war, get thousands of people injured and killed just to make some money? The VP was already rich...so he let a company he had close ties with get some of the contracts to rebuilt Iraq...or have you considered that maybe that companys sole purpose is to do exactly what it is doing now, what other company could do what they do with the effeciency that they do it? Just name one...yea didn't think so....

No one, not even the President could get away with starting a war for personal financial gain...it is not possible, to many checks and balances....

Is this a joke? If anybody could get away with starting a war for personal financial gain it would be the president, so long as all the wealthy people that donated to his campaign get a chunk of change for their investment. It is interesting to note that George Sr. and some of the bin ladens were invested in the Carlisle Group, which means the bin ladens and the bush family profited from the attacks in September. If you don't believe these people would start a war and kill thousands to make some money, you don't really have any clue about who these people really are.

Linky McProfit

Thats possibly the most inaccurate most twisting of the facts article I've ever read....please dont believe everything you read....

If Cheney can do all that to America, then America deserves it!
Maybe I should invest in Cheney???

This is what I meant by WAKE UP. This isn't a conspiracy theory persee as there are actual white house appointees who are now coming forward saying, this is exactly how it happened. Thats what I am talking about. It was no secret that Cheney had major ties to Halliburton, and now that the facts about his clearly constructed lies about intelligence reports (ones that placed Iraqi officials in places where the FBI and CIA knew they were not, repeatedly told to lie/vs. WMD reports they knew had no basis yet went to war anyway etc) this is a HUGE conflict of interest, that had Cheney been in the private sector would have been put on trial long ago. I mean come on, Martha Stewart was raked over the coals for lying about insider stock tips, this is the Vice President and BILLIONS of dollars and thousands of lives of American soldiers. Wake up thats all I'm saying. And as for incredulity by the previous posters (Congressmanreality) no matter how you slice it-it is how it happened.

People know whats happening in the world but their just waiting for someone else to step up and say something about it. Also, people don't want to think too much, they just want to sit home and watch reality tv and not have to worry about anything.

9/11 surely woke us up.

You say the sweetest things. Thankyou so much.

I'll stay asleep.

http://www.newamericancentury.org/Rebuildi...casDefenses.pdf

http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/qdr2001.pdf

http://www.defenselink.mil/qdr/report/Report20060203.pdf

Quadrennial defense reviews are written by the pentagon and signed off by Rumsfeld to lay out their future strategy and agendas which include total military domination of outer an utmost importance of space based weaponry. In this other one PNAC was wrote mainly by Paul wolfowitz , Jeb Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, and a host of other think tankers of the early nineties. Now Dick & don are some of the people at the top of the government. Paul was the assistant secretary of defense and now the sitting president of the World Bank; which BTW is going fast forward to install one in Iraq.

WAKE UP AMERICA

There is no doubt about politicians going to war for financial gain !!!


Here are a few places you might want to look at :

http://www.hereinreality.com/carlyle.html ( Yes this is true)

http://www.freedomtofascism.com/ (new movie coming out)(might wake you up)


http://www.whereisthemoney.org

http://www.arcticbeacon.com/23-Mar-2006.html

http://www.judicial-inc.biz/Dov_zakheim.htm (Should open your eyes)

Now, Just incase Anti- Semitism enters your mind these 2 links below should cover that, You see this Didn't start yesterday, This has been in the making for a long period of time.

These are both long reads, But very informative.

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/israel/freedman.htm

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/WTC_STF.htm


Simple fact of the matter, The war on terrorism guarantees the politicians a never ending war that has to be financed by International Banksters which in most cases will be financing all sides of the partys involved. And guess who picks up the tab after it has been skimmed from the top from the likes of Haliburton and other Carlyle associates.

Not to mention that most conflicts or wars are created from False Flag Operations.

You might not want to hear this, But 911 was probably the biggest False Flag Operation in history That had been planned for several years.

And I am sure that you will ask Who is responsible for this ? Well lets just say, Do you some research on PNAC as I think one of the other posters suggested. Look out NWO---- HERE WE COME !!!!!!!!


Yes, I'd say it is time that we wake up Instead of just turning our heads and trusting our Treasonous Politicians, Both Democrat and Republican !!!!!!!!

Best Regards, TERESA57

http://www.UniversalSeed.org, a diamond in the rough of truth & 9/11 sites.
Wake up and smell the fascism! Find out the truth about 9/11 and the war on terror. The 1st casualty of war is truth.
"There comes a time when your silence become betrayal." - Martin Luther King Jr.

Soon Loose Change Final Cut will be added to www.UniversalSeed.org. For now watch it here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1375208054676470714

The Writing Is On The Wall, Don't Ignore It!

OK, we wake up and end the war on terror so no one makes a profit.
We tell the whole world we are nice and we will not allow anymore for our politicians to gain financially.
We will just protect our borders, just like we do now while millions of illegal comes in. We would not interfer anymore with others, military will only be use if an army march into our borders, but if they don't fire a shot first we can't for we would look bad!
We won't mind if the US economy collapse as long as we show the whole world we don't go to war for commerce.
9/11 was all made up by politician, so we stop all what we are doing and just put those politician guilty in jail and apologize to Bin Laden, Saddam and to all the insugents(TERRORIST) for making them a escape goat. We understand why they cut heads for we made them mad and our politician are more evil than them really for making money. While they are simply protecting their ideology.
Yeah, America Wake Up.

First of all the war on terror is a war on the American people not by terrorists but by our own government. It has clearly been a tool used by the Adminstration when they needed it to keep us in line, by keeping us in fear.

Have we found the people responsible for sending the Anthrax letters? No. Have we found Osama Bin Laden? No. In fact at one point at a Bush press meeting the following was said "we don't consider Osama Bin Laden an important target, hes UNIMPORTANT". Have we found a way to get ourselves out of the war yet? No.

Day by day is more information coming to light that the people elected to run this country instead of protecting us basically used us to weeze money...Yes. Are you actually saying that these politicians and their backers should get away scott free? Are you really saying that? What you seem to not understand is, that if they did this they qualify as terrorists themselves.

As for Saddam and Bin Laden we created them with the same kind of bad political machinations that are in place now. Know your history, we supplied weapons to Osama's insurgents while in Afghanistan or don't you remember that famous interview on 60 Minutes from Afghanistan with Osama saying thanks for the supplies. We put Saddam in power in Iraq because at the time it helped with middle east relations, we gave him weapons etc.

As for protecting our borders, before this "immigration issue" reared its ugly head again, weren't BILLIONS of American dollars spent on HOMELAND SECURITY, to do just that secure our borders? Well that worked like a peach didn't it? What an even bigger waste of money, and anyone who wants can still walk over the border.

Get it, this Administration, and of course the party backing it are using immegration, flag burning, gay marriage and whatever tired rehashed topic they can find to keep your attention off the fact that this war has cost the American public over TWO HUNDRED AND FIFTY BILLION, thats a quarter of a trillion dollars!!!! And for what? I said it before and I'll say it again Wake up America....

America is to busy to notice. My parents are working 40 hours a week and my brothers are watching T.V. I research while at work, because I have an easy job, that allows me to surf the internet, about 30% of the time. And I get paid for it

By the way

9/11 was a false flag attack!

sorry no time to present the evidence, carry on...

Never mind no time to present evidence, no space. I could do hundreds of pages of essays.


Remember who has the biggest stockpile of Anthrax in the world.
The same people who lost a geneticly modified -deadly- version of the bubonic plague.

As for the immigration issue, first remember the new draft laws coming into play - pretty much everybody will have to serve military time- indefinately if required BTW.
Now they are allowing millions more to become 'part of the country', chipped and subservient.
Thats a pretty big boost to their military might.
The only concievable reason for this is that they are anticipating needing a lot of troops.
Not for a massive single army, but for multiple targets and destinations.
We're talking a squadron in everyneighborhood, everywhere.
NWO here we come.


How much food can that provide, you could buy the whole world McDonalds for ages.
<magine the whole world on a supersize me diet -damn!>
How much aid can be allocated to struggling countries.
The most powerful country in the world has a moral obligation to protect and nuture the less fortunate countries, not dictate policy and religion.
Why is it acceptable to destroy cultures and rip apart families for materialistic reasons?
Might does not equal Right.
With great power comes great responsibilities.
But this is the same country that will make a big hoo-ha on tv and in the media about building a million dollar hospital in Iraq but will spend 100X that daily on a single missile target. Remember the price of a sidewinder is $1 million. Imagine how much it costs for the more advanced missiles that pour out of the sky like rain.

Absolutley. And this is the conspiracy -

A million dollar sidewinder is a tool to gurantee the very freedom you are enjoying now. You find that too expensive?

Only assuming what you believe and have been told is the truth. War is a racket and is not fought for the reasons told to the public.

Yes, and that goes also to those who thinks otherwise like yourself. Assuming that what has been told to you is the truth. You would go to war for a reason, and how can you assure then that you telling the truth when it is your war?

You know alot of you people have way too much time on your hands. Of course we are being lied to all day everyday by both sides of every debate.
The real war is a war of words. What if all you anti-war people are wrong? Would you still be nay-sayers or would you support the war because you now know the truth, or because you dont like war you dont support it even though you know the truth.
I dont claim to know the truth i just support those with the beliefs that more closely follow mine. I dont readily care how they get it done so long as its done. Ends justify the means i guess.

You really dont get it do you. Your country spends billions to fight their little 'war on terror',
meanwhile the enemy is getting armed to the teeth by the same country its fighting, haliburton gets the rebuilding contracts and everyone shares in the co-incidentel profits, from drugs, oil, money laundering and mis-appropriation.

That million dollar sidewinder can feed me and my family and support us for my entire life, I will never be given a million dollars by the government, but they'll spend hundreds of times that, daily, killing innocent civilians and one or two "enemies".

Surely spending just a fraction of the american defense budget on food, aid , infrastructure would insure a lasting peace? But theres no PROFIT in that is there?

Sure, it happens that weapons that are use agianst America are American made. But it was not meant for that when it was manufactured and sold. It's commerce, either you sell it to them when they are not foes yet or they simply buy it from some other country.
So, you suggest we give you a millon dollars instead, when did it ever cross your mind that the governments is there to assure you of your desired standard of living???
Defense is neccesary to protect commerce that ensures the flow of food, aid and infastructure.

Yes it was, thats the whole point, just like they sold the chemical weapons to saddam, then pulled in to remove them later.
You want "smoking gun evidence", ask for the reciepts.


I wasnt asking for money, I was pointing out that the money could be redistributed for a better cause, imagine a poor child in whichever country, what would be the humane thing to do? to give them a million dollars or aid or food or whatever? or to send a million dollar missile then steal their land and resources.

Look up what the government does without public knowledge, poisoning our food, our water, our air, they determine policies not based on common good but on profit and exploitation, the killing of innocents for hidden agendas, torturing of prisoners, its an endless list, governments should not be like this, its been warned for centuries it will turn out like this. Greed and hate is too big a force in all this.

Yeah, chemical weapons that could have come from China or Russia instead. What's the difference when the one who had it is now a threat?? So, you would feel better if a weapon is made in China? I gurantee you it is as lethal. Isn't it better to know what the enemies weapon capability is and inventory? So, it's not as bad as you think it is.
Poisoning??? No comment on that one. Gee!
The US government is not perfect, it has it's flaws. But bitterness makes the imagination go wild.

So you admit you are not informed. You just support those who are like-minded.

What if those ends required the death of you and your family? Would you willingly sacrafise yourself for the greater good?

The government is more than flawed, it is corrupt to the core. It is not about who makes the weapons, there are certain weapons that should never have been invented or used.
There are enough countries that see the need for weapons, but realise the need for humane conflicts.
Why is it that America contains the largest stockpile of biological weapons? Banned weapons and chemicals. They are the only country to not agree to the landmines act and continue to manufacture and use landmines in all their conflicts.
they design and use landmines that are designed to maim, not kill,CHILDREN and the logic behind this is that the pyschological effect on the enemy is greater if the child suffers instead of dying straight away.

During the afganistan conflict, the US 'accidently' bombed the UN food supply depots, they then proceeded to rectify matters by agreeing to drop food parcels.
The food parcels that were dropped where bright yellow packets with english writing on it, almost identical to the bright yellow bombs they had been scattering over the country.
Children are still dying daily from that little mission.
After they invaded Iraq, one of the first things santioned was vital water purification equipment, resulting in dirty water for millions. Again, more people died from ramifications than actual conflict.


You obviously dont understand the effect of our toxic lifestyles.
Do you even know why there is flouride in your water? You drink it anyway. Read your toothpaste label, it is toxic - but you still drink it anyway.
Read this and be informed...http://www.doctoryourself.com/fluoridation.html

They have even found a way to poison the air, even if you discount smog, acid rain, toxic pullution, you have chemtrails being sprayed all over, chemtrails is even being shown on adverts and on TV to try and instill the idea that they are normal
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/06/290343.shtml

or how about carcinogenic additives like Aspartame,
Read about how Aspartame Is An Excitoneurotoxic Carcinogenic Drug
http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MI...?showtopic=6988

Or how it is even used in vaccine ingredients... http://z13.invisionfree.com/THE_UNHIVED_MI...?showtopic=1075
and read a list of vaccine ingredients(incl. heavy metals and toxic metals)
http://www.informedchoice.info/cocktail.html
and look at the historical facts exposing the dangers and ineffectiveness of vaccinesl
http://www.vaccinationdebate.com/web2.html

Why do you think cancer is now commonplace? or why people are getting heart attacks earlier and earlier? Our immune systems are suffering because we allow them to be compromised. There are no cures, only treatments.

The worst part is, it doesnt stop there, we could spend days discussing how the pharma companies are doing us in, and how they are being assisted by governments and doctors.

The fact of the matter is that this is done intentionaly, and kept from us.
A nice quote from TV (E-ring actually) describes this nicely...
"We misrepresented the truth without intention to decieve"
This is policy, that is why politicians need spin doctors and PR, anyone that needs to employ someone to lie and decieve and distract people as their daily job shouldnt be in power.

Do you think it's freedom if you have to lock your doors when you are home? Is it a freedom that you cannot let your children play without you watching their back? You are a prison of your own home.

- World War II. We beat Germany into making the Atomic bomb. Germany was able to make the first Jet aircraft and rockets. Fortunantely it was too late for them and it didn't help them. The point is the bad guys are smart too and can make weapons that you don't want us to make.
- People are living longer that they have ever lived, you blame the government for the illnees of everyone? You think majority of people are dumb and can be fooled easily?

first off we need to clarify the difference between a corrupt "ADMINISTRATION" and a corrupt govt-- america got to where it was being a "constitutional republic" using democracy as a tool now it(democracy) has overthrown our constitution and is parading around in a cloak of the constitution but preaching pure democracy which is nothing less that mob-rule and the masses can be bought,fooled or intimidated into anything-- next i have to unequivocally express my firm belief that indeed a majority of americans are fooled very easily and you can count yourself among them as you defend the notion that bldg7 collapsed as a result of fire and that goatherders could fool norad

I would really love to meet you for a beer. It would be a very interesting conversation.

Majority of the public are not dumb, they were merely misinformed. But times have changed with modern communication system and the internet. The public don't have to rely now with the words of just the media or the politician, there are a lot of access now to different opinions and views just like this forum. Things are better now really and those who are loosing the argument thinks the other way around.

Like they said in movies everybody loves a nice lie and most of people know this inside their heads but it's so much easier not to do anything than do something which might risk what you have accomplished. Materia is energy and the more you own materia the more you are attached to it. That's why maybe the hardest thing in a path of enlightment is to give up material world (what you owe).

It always amazes me that some folks can so cavalierly accuse folks of mass murder with innuendo, rumor, conjecture and ideologcal bias, call those who disagree with them stupid or sheep, and consider themselves immune to brainwashing, yet seem to believe everything they see and hear from alternative sources no questions asked. Brainwashing and blind acceptance goes both ways.

Do yourselves a favor. Investigate your theories, then investigate what others who are articulate and qualified to judge that evidence--but disagree--have to say, then POST THEM SIDE BY SIDE and let us decide who is right. Don't post long, one-sided un-confirmed diatribes. Don't spew spittle about how I am a blind sheep and try to force your world view down my throat, and don't try to tell me that starting with a predisposed ideological view and working backwards trying to find evidence to support it is good investigative technique.

We all have a right to believe whatever we want. Since the truth is in the middle.

So you are admitting the conspiracy side is not right either.

This thread started out not so much about conspiracy as about facts coming to light. The video (which is online in its entirety on PBS.com under Frontline) talks about the people who were actually at the whitehouse, or had direct contact with the VP and had him say to their face, this intelligence its correct when they knew it was wrong. Thats not conjecture, the evidence is there, thats what I was talking about....

There is only right and wrong. Anyone who is in the middle is simply confused.

The whole world needs to "wake up" not just America...where all blinded by the leaders we choose to follow.

And I suppose you had leaders in mind that should lead the world to the promise land???

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First off i never said i did....and who says we need leaders at all?

And there is no such thing as right and wrong...theres just perspective and opinion.

No leaders??? Name one Country, business or organization without a leader? Don't really know why you think no leader is the answer to the imperfections in the world. Can never be perfect, you can only minimize the imperfection as much as you can.

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Never said i thought that...i was just putting it out there.