Maybe I'm missing some thing, Coldethyl's post wasn't malicious. She was making a valid point; presenting anything that you yourself have published, unless it's backed up with scientific fact, does not exemplify proof by any means.

Anyway, maybe everyone should get back on topic, lest we all be smitten.



Not ignorance, by any means. As I've said many times before, no one knows what conditions are necessary for life to originate, so the size of the universe could be completely irrelevant. Life could be very common or it could be so rare that our planet is the only one inhabited.



Maybe I am wrong, but I'm positive that Evolution has been proven. We can see from fossil records that life has evolved over time, and we have even see evolution occur within just a few decades (Click). It's a fact that animals have evolved (unless you want to go all in to religion; but for all practical purposes, we can clearly see that evolution has taken place). However the theory of Evolution by Natural Selection (Survival of the fittest etc.), which tries to explain by which means life evolved, is just a theory, albeit a widely accepted one.

I agree - it's the THEORY of Evolution for a reason. It also, has NOT been proven.

You are missing something. I've been accused of Spamming, which I haven't done. Whether or not anyone considers anything I have to say or share as proof isn't the issue.

"millions" was just an expression, i know everyone of them is not habitable, but that doesnt mean none of them is. I saw a video once and some astronomer was explaining how many habitable planets could exist in a galaxy using an equation, it was pretty cool.

YOU know what? YOU sound a bit defensive. I was just making a valid point. That'd make your life easier wouldn't it, if no one ever naysayed? I never attacked you, get a grip.



Exactly, people write books to support THEIR OWN theories. So my point is valid. Oh and how pitiful it is to resort to namecalling. Writers should be better than that. But then again that's just my own opinion and I think I might write a book to support it.....
Don't you have some cheerleaders somewhere?

Yes but there's a difference between regular theory and scientific theory. This is often misunderstood. Scientific theory is something that is widely thought to be true by the majority of scientists in the world and it almost always has data and information to back up its claims.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory

A point, in order to be valid must have some truth to it and yours did not. And yes, I am defensive because I don't like being accused of doing something I didn't do. I totally have a grip - I just don't like your attitude.



Namecalling? Where? Oh you mean the troll thing? That's a descriptive term not a name and I'm just calling it like I see it. And yeah...why don't you go write a book? You sure seem to have a lot to say about things you know absolutely nothing about. Good luck getting it published and don't you DARE come back here and tell anyone about it when you do because that would most certainly be SPAMMING.

Nope the name you called me was 'sweetheart'. THAT I most certainly am not.

And as you can clearly see in my first post I said your SPAMMING was my opinion. Touched a nerve, huh?

I don't care if you like my attitude or not. I'm not here for you. And don't worry about what I do, I mean it obviously effects you so much, but try to overcome your obsession.

Anyway, I'm off topic and I'm trying to avoid a flame war so.....

I have a hard time with the whole 'do aliens exist' thing. If they do then I'd say it'd be more in a parallel dimension than in outer space. But who knows for sure?

our earth may be a freak accident that happened only once in our galaxy. it probably happened like 100 times in the universe

Sasa sorry if the opinions offend you but it is just opinions i myself think it seemed like you were trying to gain publicity for your book. It seemed to me that you started this thread off by saying what you believe to be the truth about aliens and demons then knowing the replies you would get asking for proof of your claims you could then mention your book which is due to be out for sale. Sorry if i have got it all wrong but it is just my opinion and what i believe. I find it hard to believe that demons are aliens and that you were told this by a angel or demon or whatever it was and no one else seems to have been told this who practice the same sort of stuff you do. I know that you believe it to be the truth but it just seems strange that you seem to have been specifically selected to be told that aliens are actually demons. But sorry again if all this has seemed to have took a turn for the worse but i figured this would happen when the mention of a book came into this lol

i think i would rather trust in darwin than you sasa

It's not the OPINIONS that offend me, it's the ACCUSATIONS. There's a BIG difference. All I can say is that those of you who have made the accusation that my intention was to plug my book: You're dead wrong. But, seeing as you're going to think whatever the hell you please, go right ahead.

The simple fact I've commented on many threads and even started additional threads without mentioning my book at ALL speaks for itself as to what my true intentions were and still are. Anyway, I'm done debating it. You're all the one's who have made the big deal about it, not me. I mentioned it once and you all can't seem to get past it or STOP mentioning it.

So, if the saying "There's no such thing as bad publicity" is true, then I thank all of YOU people for it because this whole fiasco will work to my advantage and even MORE people will be exposed to the TRUTH.

they already have been exposed to the truth

heres the truth http://www.bbc.co.uk/education/darwin/origin/index.htm

That's theory Weasel - but you go ahead and believe in whatever you wish. It's totally your perogative.

Rah Rah Rah....whatever. I guess since I stood behind my friend on a post that I'm now a cheerleader. LOL.... I've been called worse. I stood behind her because, not only am I her friend, but I also share the same beliefs. How dare I stand up for what I believe in!?

I find it amusing that you have to try to bring me into an argument just for the sake of argument. Do you have nothing better to do with your time?

The thing that ticked me off was the hostile attitudes of the opposers. You know, it is possible to disagree without being juvenile and hateful. There are tactful ways to express your opposing opinion, but I guess some people here haven't learned that yet. I also want to say that I understand that everyone has their own opinion and is entitled to it..but you know what they say about opinions. Well, I think everyone knows how that saying goes.

there is a lot of evidence that show evolution to be true. the neanderthal or cro magnon man for example, very human like, although extinct, it makes sense to think that we are related to them, but modern day humans did not exist when they did, so the only possibility is that we evolved from them.
(Although I also admit I believe "someone" was "guiding" our evolution along the way)

Well neither has your alien demons. So get off our back.

It certainly is my perogative , plus seeing theres evidence to back evolution up and no evidence to back up your claims , i think good ol charlie darwin is more belivable than you

LMAO... Yeah, okay. Because I forced you to come here and read what I had to say about it...

Anyway, this thread isn't about Evolution, so lets get back on topic, hmm..?

What you believe to be the truth.

I know you believe or know it to be the truth but it could be that you are having the wool pulled over your eyes and being decieved by whatever it is telling you that aliens are infact demons.



I know that if i made a claim that something from the other side told me i dunno that i am God i know that if i got replies telling me im insane or that maybe im wrong i too would also stick to my guns and argue the toss with everybody on what i believe or know to be right so i guess we will both have to wait and see when we are dead lol if im wrong i will buy you a drink in heaven or hell or where ever it is we are supposed to go when we die but if im right i will have to annoy you for eternity by telling you I TOLD YOU SO Do we have a deal lol.

It's for sure and for certain, this thread will be closed.

I'm intrigued by this, the UFO I saw at close quarters was in the Autumn of 1979 and it was over this backward little town in South Yorkshire, UK. I was pushing a pram that time too with my 6 yr old daughter walkng alongside. She said to me, "Mummy, why hasn't that street light got a pole?" I looked and there was a streetlight over a footbridge about 100 metres away with no pole or other visible means of support. I was looking at it and trying to work it out and began to walk towards it a little faster as it was at the end of the street I was going to. As I watched, it raised up into the air and began to alter its shape. It became rounded into an oval and I began to run because I wanted my mother to see it as well. As I ran around the corner near the footbridge I looked at it and could see figures moving inside, and also I knew that what my mother would see would be a helicopter. I could see that it was imitating a helicopter but I could also see that it wasn't one. Also it had been the same size and shape as the other tall lights a few minutes ago and was just over the roofs of the houses now across the street so wasn't very far away, so if it had been a helicopter it would have been tiny, but I could see that anyone glancing at it would see a helicopter much higher and farther away than it really was.
My mum came out and said "It's a helicopter" and went back in. I was so frustrated but I saw which way it was heading so rang a friend who lived that way. She answered the phone and then left me waiting so I couldn't tell her, but when she came back to the phone she said she'd been watching a flying saucer land and take off again at the back of her house on some open waste land.
I've asked her lots of times to describe what she saw but she can't, all she can say is that it was a flying saucer but then she shuts up.

What makes me a bit wary and also inspires me to run Seti on my pc is that we sent a picture of ourselves and directions of how to reach ourselves into space. May as well put a notice up saying "Free Lunch this way!"
Especially if there were some of the Sigourney Weaver type.
And we're in the process of destroying our natural shield. We are a crazy species, don't you think?

Shield against what?

interesting idea sasa ,but I'm going with the artificial intelligence theory,makes more sense to me at least

That is interesting and sounds similar to the Iranian UFO encounter of 1976. Here's a link to that incident and you can click on the DIA links to view government dccuments on that incident.

http://www.nicap.org/tehran1.htm

hello skyeagle nice to see you again.........well erm type to you again lol.

Nice link

Or it could be that everyone else is having the wool pulled over THEIR eyes...

The fact of the matter is that if you want to believe in Aliens, and that's what makes you happy, you go right ahead. It doesn't matter to me personally one way or the other whether you agree with my opinion or not. But at least now you've been exposed to a different point of view. That's ALL this post was originally about.

If you go through everything I've said, you'll see that I've spent more time defending my opinion and personal beliefs and integrity. I haven't tried to convince anyone of anything they don't want to believe. All the opposers act as if I expect everyone to believe me just because I (and others who feel the same way I do, many of them notable historians, scientists and scholars) write a post expressing my opinion on a subject I happen to know quite a bit about.

Yep that too. We both have different opinions and that is fine if you are right i will appolgize lol and you can kick my a$$ all over the place

LMAO...You have a date. See you after Armageddon if you make it that far.
Just kidding...I wouldn't kick your a$$. I'd just make you kiss mine.
And...if you are right and I'm wrong, I'll return the favor.

Why don't you give us some video of some supposed demons and I am not talking about mentally ill people that think they are possessed. Show me a demon doing supernatural feats. I bet you can't.

Yes but demons MIGHT exist just because some of us cant see them or talk to them or dont even want to THINK that they might exist. And also other people might just be superiour to us in away and no one likes to think that there is someone better than themsleves lol.


quote sasa: LMAO...You have a date. See you after Armageddon if you make it that far.
Just kidding...I wouldn't kick your a$$. I'd just make you kiss mine. innocent.gif
And...if you are right and I'm wrong, I'll return the favor.



I'd just make you kiss mine <<<< ( wishing for armageddon to hurry up and happen ) Cant wait lol

Yes it is a nice link and it was close to the time of the one that I saw.
Some of my uncles were pilots in the RAF but Ive never asked them about UFO's and the ones still living are across the Atlantic, so I don't have much contact with them.

I saw a TV show a few years ago hosted by Noel Edmunds where a lot of people who'd rang in had seen UFO's and they'd also seen associated "helicopters", and Noel commented on the co-incidence of it.

Another thing I noticed is that when I've had an experience of this kind, I haven't forgotton it, but somehow it doesn't seem worth talking about for a long time, then suddenly just comes back into the focus of my thoughts. I always write everything down, dreams - the lot but I've heard some people actually get amnesia, perhaps it could be a kind of trauma.

Raptor X7 : I don't know what we're likely to need to shield against from the outside, but the ozone has been effective for a long time against overheating and the sun's ultraviolet rays and maybe some electromagnetism, I'm no physicist.

Offend easily, huh? You're the one who started these threads. Did you think there would be no controversy? Seems kinda niave to me. Or something else.....



Actually I didn't speak to her, and if I remember correctly you spoke to me first and I had to reply to you. I'm not too bothered about how ticked off you get to be honest. I find it hilarious that both of you keep asking me about my time. Are you THAT interested? Wow, very flattering. I'm entitled to my opinion just as much as anyone else and she's the one who came at me calling me names.



How very, very Christian of you.

In regards to this link: http://www.nicap.org/tehran1.htm The following is my opinion as a paranormal investigator and demonologist and the studies I have conducted and research I have done. Allow me to play "Devils Advocate" for a moment. (No pun intended)

a) The object was seen by multiple witnesses from different locations (i.e., Shamiran, Mehrabad, and the dry lake bed) and viewpoints (both airborne and from the ground).

So that tells us that the object was large. It's quite plausible that a many demons working together and combining their energies could manipulate enough energy to create a large enough object that could be seen by many people at once.

B) The credibility of many of the witnesses was high (an Air Force general, qualified aircrews, and experienced tower operators).

That tells us that the people who saw it weren't (allegedly) crazy. Lots of people who experience paranormal phenomena in the form of ghosts, demons and angels aren't crazy too and are also very credible.

c) Visual sightings were confirmed by radar.

As in a) Ghosts, demons and angels could very plausibly manipulate matter, which could be detected by a radar.

d) Similar electromagnetic effects (EME) were reported by three separate aircraft.

Ghosts, demons, and angels also give off "electromagnetic effects" as well as radiation. They are made of energy and can manipulate matter and energy.

e) There were physiological effects on some crew members (i.e., loss of night vision due to the brightness of the object).

Very bright lights have also been reported by people who have experienced both paranormal phenomena, astral travel and NDE's.

f) An inordinate amount of maneuverability was displayed by the UFOs.

Ghosts, demons and angels can also exhibit an inordinate amount of maneuverability.

i think this whole thread is a scam, i mean under the topic heading you can see that "this is just a ruse" is written clearly underneath it!

Yeah, good point.

Which type of radiation?

Made of energy you say? They could replace fossil fuels.

yeah it is!, lol i just thought i'd say something because it looks to me that noone has actually made this point yet

Haha...very funny. It actually says, "It's all a ruse" not "This is a ruse".

There are plenty of other people who believe the same thing I do. This is an excellent video if you're truly interested in exploring it further: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1565744367577847884

i'm just stating the obvious why would you put that under your heading of the topic, if you want people to actually take you seriously????

Couldn't tell you. But it's the type of radiation that can be picked up using a Geiger counter. I've actually had them interact with me while using it for research, making the counter go off when I requested that some radiation be tossed my way.

You can't be serious...are you toying with me or are you really that ignorant?

yes apparently to you i am ahh i love newbies

You say Plausible but i would say far from believable. Sure if we could only prove that demons were behind this then maybe your case would stand a bit stronger, but until you can prove that demons work together and combine energies (which you have yet to discribe exactly which kinds since you talk to them and all) then id like to think everyone will have their own opinion on the matter. Until you can disclose any information about how you know this all, without even saying anything about not disclosing because of a book, then i think you have proven yourself as false. You have yet to even explain how you conjure up your demons, or how you even start your rituals yet you poke fun at another person for the way they believe demons/angels work.



This also tells you that qualified people wouldnt be fooled by energy being created from nothing in mid air 20,000 feet above them. Sure lots of people who experience paranormal phenomena arent crazy, but the people who believe every dream, and everything they see in life as fact probably is crazy.



Prove this one with some kind of plausible explanation, because you saying again and i quote "very plausibly" you may as well back this up by some kind of documentation or actual fact. First off prove that ghosts and demons even are made of energy, and then maybe jump to conclusions that they can also fire energy out of their hands like a superhero. I personally think you have watched far to many movies and this is what most your facts are based on.


ok well first off we need to know where you got this information. How would you even know for this matter? do they come in your sleep and tell you all about them? yet you say they try to fool the general public? So im kinda lost here because it seems 100% impossible by your own theory that even you could be told this information. I have yet to here of a demon that came out of the sky and had electromagnetic ratings, becasue if its not really physically there then how can you prove there was anything created from this being?



Yes but what does bright lights, and people who experience "astral travel" have to do with anything? I think these people were smoking "salvia" and induced some massive trip and then thats how they become to believe they actually went somewhere. Like cmon walk through walls and goto new worlds? This reminds me of Chris angel, the guy who seems to do all that and more all with trick photography and fake audiences lol. So if you put bright lights, and astral travel and nde's together you get a person who belongs in an insane asylum.


Yea well so can your imagination can it not? I think demons and angels very well could exist, but for what reason i would tend to think Nobody would find that out if this was all some kind of secret plot against humans to trick us into believing in another life form.

All in all i am personally not sayin your crazy, i just think you have based alot of your facts off of stories or common folklore. No harm done in this post, just trying to get my own opinion out to maybe find out more info without you having to disclose "copywrighted material which i can understand personally.

My replies to Blazea58



Whether or not it's "Believable" is entirely up to the individual. When it comes to the paranormal, most people who have experienced it DO believe. In fact, 80% of American's do believe in ghosts. Can I "Prove" it? To some people maybe. To others no. No matter what "Proof" is presented there would STILL be naysayers, non believers and scoffers because for some people no proof is enough. I have a photograph of a demon that used energy to manifest into a near physical form. I also have photographs of angels manifested in human forms. I have photographs of supernatural visions appearing on glass. I don't "conjure up demons" by the way. Nobody can do that. They manifest where when and how they want to. And I don't believe I've "poked fun" at anyone either - if anything I've been the one on the receiving end of that whole thing. Lucky me.



Now who's poking fun?



As far as where I got the information that ghosts give off "electromagnetic effects" is through the study and research of ghosts and paranormal activity. It is a common theory amongst paranormal investigators that EMF detectors can and do work in detecting ghostly energy. In addition, I am also a channeler and can channel spiritual energy and feel as well as see when they are around me using my sixth sense. I have many videos showing that and it's also been experienced first hand by others around me.



They have to do with the Spirit Realm and the Spirit Realm are where ghosts, demons and angels exist.



Not sure what you mean here. But think what you want...I've already said I'm not here to convince anyone.



Oh well gee...thanks for not calling me crazy! I do appreciate that... I've based my facts on personal experience, research, study and experimentation of the supernatural and the paranormal - NOT stories and common folklore.

To the participants of this discussion;

Let's forego the snippy personal comments and unproductive bickering and return to debating the merits of each others opinions/viewpoints or other, more permanent action will be forthcoming. Stick to the relevance of the issue and avoid making personal observations regarding your opponent. If you have problems with content or perceive someone's behaviour as inappropriate or offensive, bring it to the attention of a moderator. Thank you for your cooperation.

MM

that is called faith my friend...

I haven't read all 14 pages of entries here and may have missed something, but the original premise intrigued me. As one who has read/studied the bible had some personal experiences with angels, ghosts, extraterrestial experiences, but not so far as i know demons, I believe the original premises are wrong and not biblically correct. There is nothing in the bible to suggest that there are not many other inhabited worlds (in fact there are some strong indications that there are many) The bible also says that the sons of god walked the earth in early times. Lots of people interpret the bible in many ways, and i have heard this idea that the earth is an experiment cut off from the rest of the universe with every one watching the outcome. There really isn't any biblical evidence for this. Nor is there any evidence that earth is the only planet where god's plan went awry. We all tend to be "earth centric" and place our little planet in the centre of the spiritual universe, just like we used to locate it in the centre of the physical one. If god cast the fallen angels down to earth, he doesn't need some physical barrier to prevent them leaving, his spiritual power would do the trick. I dont denigrate people's right to hold whatever belief they like, but if people want to use reason, logic and evidence to argue their case, rather than acceptance through faith, then the arguments need to be reasonable, logical and supported by evidence. This evidence can include that of their senses, although this can be a bit subjective. ( I have become a believer in some things through my experiences, but i know better than to argue those beliefs with someone who has not had the same experiences)
Just read a little more of this. It certainly provoked a reaction. I know angels exist, having had my life saved a few times by them directly manifesting. How do i know it was an angel? "You will know them by their works," as the good book says and i must admit I consider saving my life a good work. Maybe the presence of Angels in my life has kept demons away. I certainly haven't sought them out. But then i have never sought out para normal powers which have occasioned my life over the years. Nor have i sought out other unexplained experiences such as doorways/portals in the sky and other strange manifestations. I have never run across an Alien either, so keep an open mind on them. I just dont see why Ghosts, angels, demons, aliens, or other experiences out of the normal should be seen as mutually exclusive, other than as the result of one's interpretation of information, obviously keenly pursued, over a period of time. The danger is that one starts to rationalise ones arguments to fit ones beliefs rather than objective evidence, and the subjective evidence of many others.

Ok I'm not trying to be a smart *** here, but come on, obviously aliens and UFOs are the work of Gary Busey.

Sorry, I had to say it, and everyone else was thinking it.