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my_psychosis
Sorry I haven't learned how to do quotes from other posts yet so I copied and pasted this. grin2.gif """"Demons would like us to think that Aliens are real and they manifest looking like them""" So what I am thinking is who even truly knows WHAT a demon or alien even looks like? Does anybody have scientifically proven photos of either? I haven't seen or heard of any that were proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be real. So how do you know if demons are disguising themselves as aliens or vice versa when nobody even knows what they look like? PS how do I make quotes please. Would appreciate the help. thumbsup.gif
Luvkittys7
QUOTE(my_psychosis @ Jun 30 2006, 03:10 AM) [snapback]1252200[/snapback]

Sorry I haven't learned how to do quotes from other posts yet so I copied and pasted this. grin2.gif """"Demons would like us to think that Aliens are real and they manifest looking like them""" So what I am thinking is who even truly knows WHAT a demon or alien even looks like? Does anybody have scientifically proven photos of either? I haven't seen or heard of any that were proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be real. So how do you know if demons are disguising themselves as aliens or vice versa when nobody even knows what they look like? PS how do I make quotes please. Would appreciate the help. thumbsup.gif


ITA-
I don't think that aliens exist, nor do I think that ghosts or phantoms are real. I have always said that demons are hanging around, pretending to be all sorts of things, trying to keep our minds off the bigger picture... I have had the strangest experiences, leaving me without the ability to say I don't believe, but i still can't say I believe in anything specific. This makes me sad, as I like to think of myself as a Christian at times...Can you be a Christian and still wonder about everything else? unsure.gif
my_psychosis
Sorry trying to quote again. """"""Can you be a Christian and still wonder about everything else? """" I wonder about that to!

The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE(zarvirus @ Jun 30 2006, 12:27 AM) [snapback]1252093[/snapback]

that is called faith my friend...

Exactly and they are blinded by it.
Sasa
QUOTE(ericraven2003 @ Jun 30 2006, 10:38 AM) [snapback]1252685[/snapback]

Exactly and they are blinded by it.


What about the people who have faith in the existence of Aliens? Could they not be blinded by their own faith? I do believe it works boths ways...
Sasa
QUOTE(Luvkittys7 @ Jun 30 2006, 01:18 AM) [snapback]1252204[/snapback]

Can you be a Christian and still wonder about everything else? unsure.gif


Yes you can. There's nothing wrong with wondering. We are human. We wonder.
chaoszerg
QUOTE(Sasa @ Jun 30 2006, 06:40 PM) [snapback]1252688[/snapback]

What about the people who have faith in the existence of Aliens? Could they not be blinded by their own faith? I do believe it works boths ways...




yes it works both ways.
Sasa
Then if that's the case, what gives anyone the right to attack someone else's belief (based on faith not scientific fact) as has been done on this thread?

I just want to make one point then I'm done. Yes, this post provoked many responses. It was MEANT to be thought provoking. But I never attacked anyone for believing in Aliens. However, I, in turn, was attacked from all sides for believing Aliens are Demons.

Here's another thought provoking question for you all.

Why is that? And what was the point, if the opinions of those who did the attacking are also based on faith and not scientific fact? And why are they always the loudest and most obnoxious about it too?

Seems sort of one-sided doesn't it? It also makes me think that the state of the world is worse off than many of us realize. Because IF the objective is to confuse and deceive the masses and turn them away from the Creator and the Scriptures - they've succeeded.
Fishka
Interesting website. Once onto the site you will need to choose the paranormal section, what you are looking for is called Demons in Aliens clothes.Demons in Aliens clothes
Sasa
That is a very interesting article Fishka, thank you.

I have additional information on what all the cattle mutilations were (demons using the blood to create a "manifestation brew" to enable them to manifest in human form) as well Nephilim children having been bred already that are living on the planet now. However, those would be more suitable for another topic at another time.
Stellar
QUOTE

Could they not be blinded by their own faith?


Indeed they could, which is why we often hear people equate UFOs to aliens...

QUOTE

Then if that's the case, what gives anyone the right to attack someone else's belief (based on faith not scientific fact) as has been done on this thread?


This is a discussion forum. Someone brings up a subject for discussion, and people discuss that subject--the good points, the bad points, whats right about it, whats wrong about it... What did you expect to happen?
Cjk10000
Personally, I don't believe in any form of the devil, because God did not create evil.

I do believe, there are other life forms out there. Whether its that thing they found on Saturn (which could even be our own lifeforms that were hit off in an asteroid) or some advanced species, there has to be something.

We know that there is 14 billion light years of space in the universe, but do we know if that is all there is?

Have we explored all of it?
No tongue.gif
Sasa
QUOTE(Stellar @ Jun 30 2006, 01:21 PM) [snapback]1252909[/snapback]

This is a discussion forum. Someone brings up a subject for discussion, and people discuss that subject--the good points, the bad points, whats right about it, whats wrong about it... What did you expect to happen?



What did I expect to happen? Perhaps you missed all the posts that had nothing to do with the subject but were aimed at me personally as well as the accusation that my sole intention was to "Spam". What I expected to happen was to be treated with at least a minimal amount of respect regardless of whether or not my opinion was agreed with. I have no problem with discussion when done tactfully. I actually enjoy a healthy debate when mutual respect for one another's opinions is shown. It's really not too much to ask or to expect.
Stellar
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What did I expect to happen? Perhaps you missed all the posts that had nothing to do with the subject but were aimed at me personally as well as the accusation that my sole intention was to "Spam".


You made yourself the subject when you claimed the your proof is in your book. Attacking the credibility of whoever presents the proof is a valid tactic.

QUOTE

What I expected to happen was to be treated with at least a minimal amount of respect regardless of whether or not my opinion was agreed with.


Oh stop playing the victim. You werent treated all that badly at all.
Sasa
QUOTE(Cjk10000 @ Jun 30 2006, 01:28 PM) [snapback]1252917[/snapback]

Have we explored all of it?


That raises a very interesting question in my mind. Do we really NEED to explore all of it? Granted, space is an interesting thing. It's astoundingly beautiful and mind-boggling to say the least. But couldn't we take that money, billions upon billions of dollars, going to the space programs and perhaps take care of a few of the multitude of problems that we have here on our own planet rather than exploring the vast amount of space around us? Can't we just be happy with what we have and work to make it the best possible place to inhabit that we can?

I watched an interesting show the other night on space exploration and the possibility of life on other planets. They touched on the possibility that a virus of some sort could be brought back from Mars that could create a pandemic here on Earth. Do we really need to know that badly if some form of amoebic life exists on Mars? So much so that we're willing to risk our own lives to find out?
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE(Sasa @ Jun 30 2006, 03:44 PM) [snapback]1252942[/snapback]

That raises a very interesting question in my mind. Do we really NEED to explore all of it? Granted, space is an interesting thing. It's astoundingly beautiful and mind-boggling to say the least. But couldn't we take that money, billions upon billions of dollars, going to the space programs and perhaps take care of a few of the multitude of problems that we have here on our own planet rather than exploring the vast amount of space around us? Can't we just be happy with what we have and work to make it the best possible place to inhabit that we can?

I watched an interesting show the other night on space exploration and the possibility of life on other planets. They touched on the possibility that a virus of some sort could be brought back from Mars that could create a pandemic here on Earth. Do we really need to know that badly if some form of amoebic life exists on Mars? So much so that we're willing to risk our own lives to find out?

Well, if we taxed all the churches maybe we could pay for the space exploration. That tax free status needs to be changed. After all religion is big business these days.
Raptor
QUOTE
They touched on the possibility that a virus of some sort could be brought back from Mars that could create a pandemic here on Earth. Do we really need to know that badly if some form of amoebic life exists on Mars? So much so that we're willing to risk our own lives to find out?


Every form of life is adapted to it's own environment, which includes things such as bacteria. The chances of an alien pathogen being able to cause a pandemic among terrestrial life is very unlikely. Just thought I'd throw that out there. yes.gif
Sasa
QUOTE(Stellar @ Jun 30 2006, 01:41 PM) [snapback]1252932[/snapback]

You made yourself the subject when you claimed the your proof is in your book.
Attacking the credibility of whoever presents the proof is a valid tactic.
Oh stop playing the victim. You werent treated all that badly at all.


I'll stop "playing the victim" when people show they can debate with tact and not "tactics".
Sasa
QUOTE(ericraven2003 @ Jun 30 2006, 01:50 PM) [snapback]1252954[/snapback]

Well, if we taxed all the churches maybe we could pay for the space exploration. That tax free status needs to be changed. After all religion is big business these days.


Wow...you know what Eric? We finally agree on something.
I think that's a GREAT idea! Seriously...I'm not being facecious. I really do.
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE(Sasa @ Jun 30 2006, 03:56 PM) [snapback]1252960[/snapback]

Wow...you know what Eric? We finally agree on something.
I think that's a GREAT idea! Seriously...I'm not being facecious. I really do.

See. At least we can say we agree on one thing.lol thumbsup.gif I really do think most organized religion has turned into big business. Okay, back on topic.
coldethyl
QUOTE(Sasa @ Jun 30 2006, 03:53 PM) [snapback]1252959[/snapback]

I'll stop "playing the victim" when people show they can debate with tact and not "tactics".


Still sore, huh?

laugh.gif

MM said to get back on topic and stay there and I haven't mentioned a thing about SPAM since then. You're the one who keeps bringing it up. mellow.gif
Sasa
QUOTE(ericraven2003 @ Jun 30 2006, 01:58 PM) [snapback]1252964[/snapback]

See. At least we can say we agree on one thing.lol thumbsup.gif I really do think most organized religion has turned into big business. Okay, back on topic.


Me too Eric...Meeeee tooooo. wink2.gif I could go on about that as well, but I won't. Like you said, back on topic.
Sasa
Hey why didn't any of you people tell me there's an IGNORE button!? What a wonderful thing! (Codethyl)
coldethyl
QUOTE(Sasa @ Jun 30 2006, 04:06 PM) [snapback]1252976[/snapback]

Hey why didn't any of you people tell me there's an IGNORE button!? What a wonderful thing! (Codethyl)


Who is Codethyl?

I told you first thing. huh.gif

laugh.gif
weasel
QUOTE(Sasa @ Jun 30 2006, 09:44 PM) [snapback]1252942[/snapback]

That raises a very interesting question in my mind. Do we really NEED to explore all of it? Granted, space is an interesting thing. It's astoundingly beautiful and mind-boggling to say the least. But couldn't we take that money, billions upon billions of dollars, going to the space programs and perhaps take care of a few of the multitude of problems that we have here on our own planet rather than exploring the vast amount of space around us? Can't we just be happy with what we have and work to make it the best possible place to inhabit that we can?


We haven't explored hardly any of the universe yet. Also even if we used every coin on this planet i doubt it would sort out the problems we have hmm.gif
Humans need to explore its human nature we will never be happy with what we have already its just the way it is were just a greedy species thumbsup.gif
Sasa
QUOTE(weasel @ Jun 30 2006, 02:25 PM) [snapback]1252999[/snapback]

Also even if we used every coin on this planet i doubt it would sort out the problems we have hmm.gif


Good point.
Stellar
QUOTE

I'll stop "playing the victim" when people show they can debate with tact and not "tactics".


So you admit you're playing the victim?

Raptor
^Stop, it's finished.
Kahrie
QUOTE(Raptor X7 @ Jul 1 2006, 11:35 AM) [snapback]1253149[/snapback]

^Stop, it's finished.



Agreed, get back on topic and try to avoid childish bickering thumbsup.gif happy.gif
tomt
what happend to sasa?

demons?

aliens?

Jerry Falwell?

Jerry Sppringer?
Primeval
QUOTE(Sasa @ Jun 24 2006, 11:34 AM) *
I’m here to tell you that aliens, UFO’s alien abductions and crop circles are all the work of either angels or demons



Your trying to say that scientific probability is less likely than, a book with talking bushes.
positron
QUOTE(skyeagle409 @ Jun 24 2006, 04:07 PM) *
Of couse aliens are real. Military and commercial pilots are still encountering them around the world and ATC personnel have recorded flight tracks of UFOs within our atmosphere. NORAD has done the same while tracking UFOs in space so we know as a fact that ET spaceships exist and in fact, NORAD has a classification system to identify certain types of ET UFOs as well.


Aliens are real.. I think religion blocks reality.
Brass Tacks
QUOTE(positron @ Jun 25 2007, 11:33 PM) *
Aliens are real.. I think religion blocks reality.


Yeah they're real. Check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86P3RlXIzdM...ted&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOK11JZEijI...ted&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXflpg_nAqE...ted&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANExIf0l3j8...ted&search=

Wild stuff!
itsnotoutthere
QUOTE(Sasa @ Jun 24 2006, 07:34 PM) *
So what about these aliens, UFO’s, alien abductions and crop circles? Are there other life forms? Are people abducted by aliens and experimented on? Are crop circles created by these dame aliens?

It’s something I’ve often wondered myself. I’m a lover of astronomy and I’ve spent a good amount of time contemplating the heavens, stars, planets and the likelihood of there being other forms of life off in the vast universe we call home. However, I’m here to tell you that aliens, UFO’s alien abductions and crop circles are all the work of either angels or demons and they are created for two completely different reasons depending on who it is that is creating them.

Some of the phenomena witnessed is the wheels of the Cherubic Order fulfilling prophecy. They often appear as circles of lights before an earthquake, tidal wave, or even the eruption of a volcano. It is simply a Sign for the Record, and a visual Witness to Mankind. One example would be the event of April 3, 2001 in which “an enormous luminous and mysterious OVNI (Spanish acronym for UFO) moved across the sky over hillside homes in Colonia Olimpica, a barrio (neighborhood) on the outskirts of Guadalajara.

It happened again on March 5, 2001 over Popcatepetl and dozens of residents from local communities called radio stations to report a sighting that could be seen in particular area near the volcano. An eyewitness reported, “the object had movement, passed over the volcano, turned around and rotated.” A resident pointed out that the lights remained fixed in the sky while another moves around it. Popocatepetl has an elevation of 18,288 feet and is one of the places in Mexico where there is talk of suspicious lights and UFOs. A number of these reports have emanated from the mountain since its current cycle of active volcanism began in December 1994.

When demons create UFO lights, it is done in a unified effort by combining their energy and casting either circular or oddly shaped designs. The flux that occurs when the lights flicker or fade out suddenly, giving the viewer the impression that the “UFO” has vanished is actually the depletion of their combined energies. If they rev a recharge, that is when they come back into focus, then fade out again. That's because they have to fully recharge in order to hold for any length of time. They can do 90 degree turns on a dime because they are supernatural. Satan also has some ability to materialize matter. They use all of their abilities to their best advantage of fooling the masses in the different false beliefs that have been fostered by Satan over the centuries.

The demons want people to believe that this earth is being visited by other life forms from other planets, galaxies, etc. because the Creator is settling a dispute between Satan, his demons, and Mankind. The Azmon barrier is not only in place to keep Satan and his demons trapped on the detention plane, but it also serves to keep track of who enters the detention plane. And since the planets are not yet inhabited in creation except for the Earth, there are no other life forms created on the other planets. That is all part of the Creator's future plan for creation as a whole on the physical plane. If that were so, and life forms existed, they would be known to the Heavenly Court. In addition, there would be Records at the Great Hall of Records indicating their existence in volume upon volume, considering how many planets there are throughout the physical creation. But, there are no such Records in existence; and everything is recorded at the Great Hall.

Why do the demons want all of us to think there are life forms (aliens) visiting Earth? It is a trick by Satan to try and cover up the real issue at hand; which is, that the Earth is the hub of what is going on in creation. If Mankind believes other life forms exist, they discount the Scriptures. They often wonder "Why does the Bible not mention other life forms in the Universe of creation?" It is because they do not yet exist. We were created in God's image, just as the angel's were. That means we possess God's attributes. We are capable of love, sorrow, happiness, etc. But the main thing he granted everyone is free will.

There is nothing new under the Sun. The Bible tells us that. Satan seeks to resemble the creator in all that he does. Therefore, Satan has sacrifices in his own name, just like the Creator had His sacrifices. Satan fosters witchcraft, with a Coven of 13, in contrast to the 12 Apostles. The Creator has Christ as his Only Begotten Son. Satan wants a son as well. The alien abductions are nothing more than Satan trying to bring forth a child. He has not yet been successful. But it was a reality for many of the demons that caused the Nephilim prior to the Great Flood. They seek to do the same thing, and in doing so, give Satan what he wants. It is possible for Satan to physically create sperm with his genes in it, just as the demons did before the flood. And yes, they have tried in the past to cause pregnancies, but all have been failures. However, Satan draws off of genetic research, and thinks he can now be successful.

When Satan's demons pretend to be "Visitors," i.e., alien abductors, they take the person inside of an orb. There, they have the ability to perform experiments at trying to impregnate a female. They often examine to make certain the female is fertile. What Satan is trying, has been tried a number of times without success. His ability to manipulate matter gives the impression that the demons are aliens, and that you are in a spacecraft of some kind. But the truth is, you never leave this planet. You are inside the orb, and after they have finished, they use hypnosis or some other mind altering phenomena to try and repress the memories of the event.

The Crop Circles are nothing more than angelic writing. The same symbols appear at the Great Hall of Records. In some cases it is done by demons and in others, it's the Cherubic Order giving a visual record of a coming Prophecy. The demons often imitate what the Holy Angel's perform in the way of Signs. But when the demons do it, it means something entirely different.

The only way I know that a person might differentiate between which side is making lights in the sky, is if an event occurs; then that is usually associated with the Cherubic Order. But, if it's just lights or objects just for the sake of being seen, then that will be the demons. Like they did at the U.S. Air Force Base in England, years back. That was to give a case study that supported alien visitation to this planet. Satan is very crafty at what he does. And he considers himself the Father of Science. I know without a doubt that Satan is behind genetic research and the cloning of humans. It falls right in line with what he wants. If Mankind is not careful, Satan's demons will figure out a way to inhabit a cloned human - and I'm not talking about demonic possession. I'm talking about becoming that human clone. The famous Sheep that was cloned, aged quickly. Satan knows time is not on his side. That would be right up his alley to have a clone, age to maturity, quickly. If Satan really wants to be in human form as the Anti-Christ, that might be his avenue. If not successful, he'll have to settle for possession of the body as they often do with demon possessed people; but I know Satan, and that's not how he would like to do it.



Next time you watch 'Constantine' try not to take it too literally. IT'S JUST A FILM.
Thozzman
QUOTE(Sasa @ Jun 24 2006, 03:54 PM) *
I don't have a problem with you attacking the THEORY or the IDEA but there's no reason to attack ME PERSONALLY. And just for the record, it's people like YOU who I have absolutely NO respect for. This has nothing to do with "Science is the work of the Devil" and I absolutely do not believe that. But I do believe that many people are mislead and completely unaware of what's really going on in this world. This IS progression and advancement. Believing in little green men with big heads in spaceships is not.
You're actually pretty much right on the mark here. Ignore the others.
I have personal firsthand knowledge about this that in no way will I ever go into further. Who cares what others say or think when you're 85% correct?

Don't you find it suspect that those who believe in fairies, gnomes, and goblins don't believe in demons? Think about it.
Agent. Mulder
QUOTE(Primeval @ Jun 26 2007, 03:28 AM) *
Your trying to say that scientific probability is less likely than, a book with talking bushes.


oh damn that made me laugh for some reason lol
but i have to agree. theres no way a book that old, that seems like fiction is more reliable than the science we have today, and they people that have seen the ufos
A1_Athlete
QUOTE(Sasa @ Jun 24 2006, 01:34 PM) *
So what about these aliens, UFO’s, alien abductions and crop circles? Are there other life forms? Are people abducted by aliens and experimented on? Are crop circles created by these dame aliens?

It’s something I’ve often wondered myself. I’m a lover of astronomy and I’ve spent a good amount of time contemplating the heavens, stars, planets and the likelihood of there being other forms of life off in the vast universe we call home. However, I’m here to tell you that aliens, UFO’s alien abductions and crop circles are all the work of either angels or demons and they are created for two completely different reasons depending on who it is that is creating them.

Some of the phenomena witnessed is the wheels of the Cherubic Order fulfilling prophecy. They often appear as circles of lights before an earthquake, tidal wave, or even the eruption of a volcano. It is simply a Sign for the Record, and a visual Witness to Mankind. One example would be the event of April 3, 2001 in which “an enormous luminous and mysterious OVNI (Spanish acronym for UFO) moved across the sky over hillside homes in Colonia Olimpica, a barrio (neighborhood) on the outskirts of Guadalajara.

It happened again on March 5, 2001 over Popcatepetl and dozens of residents from local communities called radio stations to report a sighting that could be seen in particular area near the volcano. An eyewitness reported, “the object had movement, passed over the volcano, turned around and rotated.” A resident pointed out that the lights remained fixed in the sky while another moves around it. Popocatepetl has an elevation of 18,288 feet and is one of the places in Mexico where there is talk of suspicious lights and UFOs. A number of these reports have emanated from the mountain since its current cycle of active volcanism began in December 1994.

When demons create UFO lights, it is done in a unified effort by combining their energy and casting either circular or oddly shaped designs. The flux that occurs when the lights flicker or fade out suddenly, giving the viewer the impression that the “UFO” has vanished is actually the depletion of their combined energies. If they rev a recharge, that is when they come back into focus, then fade out again. That's because they have to fully recharge in order to hold for any length of time. They can do 90 degree turns on a dime because they are supernatural. Satan also has some ability to materialize matter. They use all of their abilities to their best advantage of fooling the masses in the different false beliefs that have been fostered by Satan over the centuries.

The demons want people to believe that this earth is being visited by other life forms from other planets, galaxies, etc. because the Creator is settling a dispute between Satan, his demons, and Mankind. The Azmon barrier is not only in place to keep Satan and his demons trapped on the detention plane, but it also serves to keep track of who enters the detention plane. And since the planets are not yet inhabited in creation except for the Earth, there are no other life forms created on the other planets. That is all part of the Creator's future plan for creation as a whole on the physical plane. If that were so, and life forms existed, they would be known to the Heavenly Court. In addition, there would be Records at the Great Hall of Records indicating their existence in volume upon volume, considering how many planets there are throughout the physical creation. But, there are no such Records in existence; and everything is recorded at the Great Hall.

Why do the demons want all of us to think there are life forms (aliens) visiting Earth? It is a trick by Satan to try and cover up the real issue at hand; which is, that the Earth is the hub of what is going on in creation. If Mankind believes other life forms exist, they discount the Scriptures. They often wonder "Why does the Bible not mention other life forms in the Universe of creation?" It is because they do not yet exist. We were created in God's image, just as the angel's were. That means we possess God's attributes. We are capable of love, sorrow, happiness, etc. But the main thing he granted everyone is free will.

There is nothing new under the Sun. The Bible tells us that. Satan seeks to resemble the creator in all that he does. Therefore, Satan has sacrifices in his own name, just like the Creator had His sacrifices. Satan fosters witchcraft, with a Coven of 13, in contrast to the 12 Apostles. The Creator has Christ as his Only Begotten Son. Satan wants a son as well. The alien abductions are nothing more than Satan trying to bring forth a child. He has not yet been successful. But it was a reality for many of the demons that caused the Nephilim prior to the Great Flood. They seek to do the same thing, and in doing so, give Satan what he wants. It is possible for Satan to physically create sperm with his genes in it, just as the demons did before the flood. And yes, they have tried in the past to cause pregnancies, but all have been failures. However, Satan draws off of genetic research, and thinks he can now be successful.

When Satan's demons pretend to be "Visitors," i.e., alien abductors, they take the person inside of an orb. There, they have the ability to perform experiments at trying to impregnate a female. They often examine to make certain the female is fertile. What Satan is trying, has been tried a number of times without success. His ability to manipulate matter gives the impression that the demons are aliens, and that you are in a spacecraft of some kind. But the truth is, you never leave this planet. You are inside the orb, and after they have finished, they use hypnosis or some other mind altering phenomena to try and repress the memories of the event.

The Crop Circles are nothing more than angelic writing. The same symbols appear at the Great Hall of Records. In some cases it is done by demons and in others, it's the Cherubic Order giving a visual record of a coming Prophecy. The demons often imitate what the Holy Angel's perform in the way of Signs. But when the demons do it, it means something entirely different.

The only way I know that a person might differentiate between which side is making lights in the sky, is if an event occurs; then that is usually associated with the Cherubic Order. But, if it's just lights or objects just for the sake of being seen, then that will be the demons. Like they did at the U.S. Air Force Base in England, years back. That was to give a case study that supported alien visitation to this planet. Satan is very crafty at what he does. And he considers himself the Father of Science. I know without a doubt that Satan is behind genetic research and the cloning of humans. It falls right in line with what he wants. If Mankind is not careful, Satan's demons will figure out a way to inhabit a cloned human - and I'm not talking about demonic possession. I'm talking about becoming that human clone. The famous Sheep that was cloned, aged quickly. Satan knows time is not on his side. That would be right up his alley to have a clone, age to maturity, quickly. If Satan really wants to be in human form as the Anti-Christ, that might be his avenue. If not successful, he'll have to settle for possession of the body as they often do with demon possessed people; but I know Satan, and that's not how he would like to do it.


Like ol' Hickory Southern Jack says, " That's a heep load you said their boy!"
camlax
Sorry I generally try to stay away from these threads, as there is no arguing with faith, but I just couldn't help myself. I just finished reading this and wanted to post some, what I think is rather staggering facts.

For the record this is from my perspective, I am a scientist and I most definitely believe in "aliens" but I look at it from the skeptical standpoint of a scientist. I have two master's degrees one in Physics the other in Astronautical Engineering, I have a Ph.D. in Physics, I am currently on my second post doc.

First let me say again, I believe that biological organisms exists whose origins are not from this planet, What I doubt is (A) they frequently visit, or visit at all earth. (B ) abduct people for strange breeding programs (C ) exist at the same time that we do. (D ) Its a government cover up!
(A)
Let me explain further. Obviously space is large, but most people cannot conceptualize how large. People automatically assume that "advanced civilizations" can easily travel through space fast. This may not be the case at all. People need to understand there is the very real possibility that faster than light speed is not possible, baring a few romantic ideas in quantum physics. Let's say though, theoretically that these aliens could travel at light speed (c ). That is to say, they are capable of traveling 2.99x10^8 m/s or roughly 186,000 miles/second.
Now we have all heard the term light year, but how many of us know what that means? Well a light year is the distance that light travels in one year. So we can easily do this math with 8th grade math. There are 3.16x10^7 seconds in 1 year multiplied by 186000 miles/s and we get that in 1 year light travels 5.86x10^12 miles. Pretty amazing and it seems really really far. But lets put it all in perspective. The first radio broadcasts sent into space were in 1958 by President Eisenhower. Thats 49 years ago. Now radio waves are electromagnetic waves and travel at c in a vacuum. How far have those radio waves gone in 49 years?

Lets calculate it, 49 years x 5.86x10^12 miles per year is 2.87x10^14 miles, thats far that number again is 287 000 000 000 000, thats 287 trillion miles, I know unimaginable. But how far is that really? Well the Milky way for instance (our own galaxy) is roughly 90,000 light years in diameter (calculations range from 80k to 100k). In other words the Milky way (for our calculations) is 5.27x10^17 miles across (90 000x 5.86x10^12). That means in 49 years, traveling at light speed, those radio waves have made it a whooping .054% (distance traveled/diameter of the milky way). It only gets smaller from there. Our local group (The milky way and the surrounding galaxies) is around 10 million light years diameter, and that is close on a cosmic scale. So in 49 years, our light speed radio waves have traveled..... .00049% of the diameter of our local group.

Daunting to say the least. Thats the problem with the size of space, it is not very friendly for travelers. So even if the aliens were in a close, large galaxy like ours, Say M31 the closest galaxy that is a non-dwarf or colliding galaxy, They would have to be traveling 2.9 million years at light speed to get here.

Now you may say: well Cam, there are between 100 to 400 billion stars in the Milky Way, don't you think that there are other life forms at least as intelligent as us in our galaxy. The answer is a very probable no. Statistically speaking the events that gave rise to modern man, beat odds far far greater than 400 billion to one (Think of all the compound things with huge odds that had to occur for us to be here, The changing of the atmosphere to Nitrogen-Oxygen based, The rise of vertebrates, The fall of the dinosaurs, The rise of apes, etc etc etc)
(C )
Which leads into point C. That we may just miss each other in Space time. Now not only are these aliens 2.9 million years away very intelligent, but they must be fortune tellers. The oldest modern anatomically correct humans are approximately 195 000 years old. So these aliens would need to have predicted the rise of man, and start traveling here.

On earth, a very space aware civilization has existed for what? 50 years. On second thought lets use the approximate existence of modern man. 195 000 years, that is .0043% the age of the earth. If earth's history were a football field, mankind would have been here for .004 inches or four thousandths of an inch. Roughly the width of a human hair. That on cosmic scales is the blink of an eye.

The problem though, is that lets say we are here for only another 200 000 years, 2 human hairs if you will, that is 400 000 years a measly 13% of the journey for our aliens 2.9 million light years away. So if they left at the dawn of man, by time they get here, we may well be gone. And the same goes for us eventually (assuming were here that long) traveling to another civilization's planet.

There is just the very real possibility, due to the age and size of the cosmos, that we will miss each other. They may knock on the door and no one is here. They may have shown up 65 million years ago and saw a planet populated with large, savage, unintelligent lizards and left and since the 65 million years has come to pass, they too have gone the way of the dinosaur and dodo.

(B )
This one I have real qualms with. Lets for a moment assume that aliens come to earth, they posses the technological advances needed to traverse the enormous distances of extragalactic space. Why in the world, would they need to breed with us, in the slow old fashioned sexual way? Seriously, This should be a no brainier, but I guess a good conspiracy is hard to kill. If their technology is sooo advanced, why would they just not take some of our DNA, Clone it, Extract the parts they want, Fuse it with their DNA and be done with it? Our own science is able to create transgenic animals, Why would extragalactic beings capable of traveling insane distances not be able to accomplish such simple feats of science? Could it be that the people who make these claims have no idea of this technology because they are uneducated about it?

I think if you look at many of these stories, the "aliens" in them are only capable of feats, that the story creator is aware of. Either one of the greatest coincidences in the universe, that deserves the attention of brilliant young statisticians seeking a name for themselves about statistical anomalies, or "alien" stories are merely a product of and limited by one's own knowledge of the universe.

(D ) Arguably the silliest of statements. The government, throughout its history has actually used and relied upon UFO stories to cover up the true secret nature of other tests, such as the flight of classified aircraft, testing of high altitude spy equipment etc. I think the government would never cover the existence of "aliens" due to the ramifications of such a cover up alone. Conspiracy theorists love to say that the government is afraid of hysteria of the people if "aliens" were found to be real, Well if their so afraid of hysteria, dont you think they may be more afraid of the open revolt against them for covering a discovery of this nature up? I for one would be up in arms, headed down to my local statehouse, with my pitch fork in hand ready to dispense some justice.


Anyway, Hope I didnt ruin anyones day. I think people need more logic in their lives, even if that means relieving them of certain false abiding truths.
Bella-Angelique
QUOTE(camlax @ Jul 3 2007, 01:29 AM) *
The oldest modern anatomically correct humans are approximately 195 000 years old. So these aliens would need to have predicted the rise of man, and start traveling here.

So if they left at the dawn of man, by time they get here, we may well be gone. And the same goes for us eventually (assuming were here that long) traveling to another civilization's planet.

Why in the world, would they need to breed with us, in the slow old fashioned sexual way?



They would not have had to predict anything if they created and manipulated life and stayed in the area. Neither would we if we created and manipulate life on another world. In fact, as you have pointed out though statistics this is the most likely scenario of a highly advanced civilization interacting with a new and primitive one. It would be one they themselves created.

As for why any of the creators would wish to have sexual interactions with their creations, I have do not understand the appeal nor want to of pedophilia or bestiality but I do know that both behaviors have been common throughout our own history. I would think though that those abduction stories are very inaccurate and that any civilization that old would have long since wiped out those behaviors.
psyche101
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Very nicely said Camlax. Common sense coupled with realistic figures.

I have always had a great deal of trouble with the conspiracy thing myself, just could never wrap my head around it. Way too may holes.
I have thought the same of abductions for a very long time. Highly amusing stories (remember the farmer who met the alien that transformed into Pamela Anderson whoee, I'd be welcoming those guys!!. Imagine that for an abduction, abductee, this is Pam, Pam take your clothes of please. Pam, ts is out latest abductee get him a beer and make him comfortable would you w00t.gif I wonder if they have any Elle templates....)

Not to mention that the Government, in my experience is not the most efficient business on the planet.
Your best point I would say is the precognitive abilities these aliens need to posses in order to meet up with us at the right time. As you say, 65 million years ago, the inhabitants were not quite as hospitable as they may be today.
The religion angle is just a fulcrum to lever more support from athiests and "cool" teens. Dumbest idea I have heard.

I'll be looking for more of your posts original.gif And if you need support, I have a pitchfork in waiting thumbsup.gif

And a big WELCOME to UM original.gif
psyche101
QUOTE(Bella-Angelique @ Jul 3 2007, 04:11 PM) *
They would not have had to predict anything if they created and manipulated life and stayed in the area. Neither would we if we created and manipulate life on another world. In fact, as you have pointed out though statistics this is the most likely scenario of a highly advanced civilization interacting with a new and primitive one. It would be one they themselves created.



In the area - the area is pretty darn big, especially if one wants to hang around for 200 thousand years.
Where do you think they might be waiting?
Hope they brought a sandwich !
sadistic jellyfish of doom
Aliens being from other planets is improbbable but them being Demons sent by Satan isn't?
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Bella-Angelique
QUOTE(psyche101 @ Jul 3 2007, 02:39 AM) *
In the area - the area is pretty darn big, especially if one wants to hang around for 200 thousand years.
Where do you think they might be waiting?
Hope they brought a sandwich !


Here. If mankind is a created or manipulated species than there is no reason not to suspect that they are right here. Keep in mind through our own experience that the more evolved a civilization becomes the more they can control the numbers that make up their population and calculate what size they wish for based upon resources available. If they created/manipulated mankind then mankind's populations and need for resources would also have been calculated in for various desired results.
psyche101
QUOTE(Bella-Angelique @ Jul 3 2007, 04:55 PM) *
Here. If mankind is a created or manipulated species than there is no reason not to suspect that they are right here. Keep in mind through our own experience that the more evolved a civilization becomes the more they can control the numbers that make up their population and calculate what size they wish for based upon resources available. If they created/manipulated mankind then mankind's populations and need for resources would also have been calculated in for various desired results.



Would that make sense scientifically?
I mean, it does not sound very efficient to hang around and watch your subject evolve. Where would they actually be during the last two hundred thousand years? Wouldn't they experience some sort of evolutionary change themselves? Wouldn't one want to change shifts?

Or, are you saying they are us, and we have lost that memory?
psyche101
QUOTE(sadistic jellyfish of doom @ Jul 3 2007, 04:47 PM) *
Aliens being from other planets is improbbable but them being Demons sent by Satan isn't?
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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo of course not............................ huh.gif (WTF)


Hehe
Bella-Angelique
QUOTE(psyche101 @ Jul 3 2007, 03:09 AM) *
Would that make sense scientifically?
I mean, it does not sound very efficient to hang around and watch your subject evolve. Where would they actually be during the last two hundred thousand years? Wouldn't they experience some sort of evolutionary change themselves? Wouldn't one want to change shifts?

Or, are you saying they are us, and we have lost that memory?


Yes, as much as our efforts connected with space do. We are already sensing that the immortality of our civilization cannot be dependent upon our one star.

Our industrialized world has been pretty much sitting back and watching the former third world nations struggle as the industrialized ones continued on about their own business, though often their attempts to help or to be in very close contact with them for other reasons have been disastrous.

I guess they would pretty much be wherever they wanted when they wanted.

Evolutionary change rate is in proportion with longevity, and a single generation for us seems to maintain its own type of culture for the duration of that generation. It may be so with them if they exist.

I think it likely that some would come and some would go over that vast an area of time, if they were here, just as we do here from place to place.

I doubt we came on a ship, experienced a disaster, and retreated to that horrible a state of both physical and mental regression, but I suppose it could be contemplated, a lost colony scenario.
LiQuiD_FuSioN
QUOTE(StaringBack @ Jun 24 2006, 06:52 PM) *
I wish modern day Christians would get past the time-worn "science is the work of the Devil" act. You're 100 years too late. Sorry, but it's people like you that keep Mankind from progressing and advancing. Genetic research is far from "the work of the Devil". Are you like 80 or something?

As for the UFO's, if you're trying to disprove them, what's so wrong with them being government research projects and abductees suffering from sleep paralysis and crazy dreams? (not that I think they don't exist, but come on!)


I'm sorry, but I know this thread is nearly a year old.. however, it's not my fault that this thread is getting new replies! happy.gif

I just felt compelled to reply to StaringBack's post at the beginning of the whole topic. I thought his reply was utterly immature and uncalled for. Little does he know, with that kind of ignorant attitude he is also dooming mankind by shunning any new ideas; however crazy they may be presented.

Let's see any of YOU guys take the time to sit down and give an interesting perspective on UFO phenomenon! Chances are, you can't. There will always be critics out there who use the their freedom of speech the wrong way. And it's no surprise to see that StaringBack is barely 18 yo. What does he know anyway?

The OP, Sasa, gave a very interesting insight! Though I haven't been able to read every single thread (nearly 17 pages!), I just wanted to give the OP props for making such a daring claim. Keep at it!

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c0smit0^
hi, im new to the forums and think this is a great website, neways to get back on topic how can you think that aliens dont exist, just because you've never seen one or anything doest mean they dont exist, if you believe in god would u stop believing in him because you dont have any proof that he exists??? neways my belief is that if we are here in planet earth then theres a posibilitie that theres some type of creature living in other planets, you have to be open minded, the universe is huge, there are millions and millions of galaxies, and within that galaxy there are tons of planets, our galaxy is just one of the millions that are around, and to the people that say that you need water to have life, what if the creature living in those planets doesnt rely on water?? what if they instead of water they need another element to survive? this is just my opinion on the subject, im not saying i believe in aliens but i do believe there is a chance that they can be out there.
psyche101
QUOTE(Bella-Angelique @ Jul 3 2007, 05:28 PM) *
Yes, as much as our efforts connected with space do. We are already sensing that the immortality of our civilization cannot be dependent upon our one star.

Our industrialized world has been pretty much sitting back and watching the former third world nations struggle as the industrialized ones continued on about their own business, though often their attempts to help or to be in very close contact with them for other reasons have been disastrous.

I guess they would pretty much be wherever they wanted when they wanted.

Evolutionary change rate is in proportion with longevity, and a single generation for us seems to maintain its own type of culture for the duration of that generation. It may be so with them if they exist.

I think it likely that some would come and some would go over that vast an area of time, if they were here, just as we do here from place to place.

I doubt we came on a ship, experienced a disaster, and retreated to that horrible a state of both physical and mental regression, but I suppose it could be contemplated, a lost colony scenario.


So, you are surmising that a race left space because their own star was about to die, came to earth 200,000 years ago, experimented with the local homnids and stuck around to watch us develop?

How can they be wherever they want, wouldn't that be exposure, in effect proof of existance?

Sorry, not sure if I understand yourt post 100%, have I got your idea right?
psyche101
QUOTE(c0smit0^ @ Jul 4 2007, 04:12 AM) *
hi, im new to the forums and think this is a great website, neways to get back on topic how can you think that aliens dont exist, just because you've never seen one or anything doest mean they dont exist, if you believe in god would u stop believing in him because you dont have any proof that he exists??? neways my belief is that if we are here in planet earth then theres a posibilitie that theres some type of creature living in other planets, you have to be open minded, the universe is huge, there are millions and millions of galaxies, and within that galaxy there are tons of planets, our galaxy is just one of the millions that are around, and to the people that say that you need water to have life, what if the creature living in those planets doesnt rely on water?? what if they instead of water they need another element to survive? this is just my opinion on the subject, im not saying i believe in aliens but i do believe there is a chance that they can be out there.



I doubt many will say nothing else could exist in the universe. Just that they are not here and taking regular tours of the planet.

Nothing wrong with being open minded at all thumbsup.gif Just remember, if you stop to think, don't forget to start again!
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