Actually does life exist outside our solar system in other star systems or galaxies - Yes... this is not a doubt.

What is doubted is that we've been visited. The evidence is simply not there to support it.

So what about these aliens, UFO’s, alien abductions and crop circles? Are there other life forms? Are people abducted by aliens and experimented on? Are crop circles created by these dame aliens?

It’s something I’ve often wondered myself. I’m a lover of astronomy and I’ve spent a good amount of time contemplating the heavens, stars, planets and the likelihood of there being other forms of life off in the vast universe we call home. However, I’m here to tell you that aliens, UFO’s alien abductions and crop circles are all the work of either angels or demons and they are created for two completely different reasons depending on who it is that is creating them.

Some of the phenomena witnessed is the wheels of the Cherubic Order fulfilling prophecy. They often appear as circles of lights before an earthquake, tidal wave, or even the eruption of a volcano. It is simply a Sign for the Record, and a visual Witness to Mankind. One example would be the event of April 3, 2001 in which “an enormous luminous and mysterious OVNI (Spanish acronym for UFO) moved across the sky over hillside homes in Colonia Olimpica, a barrio (neighborhood) on the outskirts of Guadalajara.

It happened again on March 5, 2001 over Popcatepetl and dozens of residents from local communities called radio stations to report a sighting that could be seen in particular area near the volcano. An eyewitness reported, “the object had movement, passed over the volcano, turned around and rotated.” A resident pointed out that the lights remained fixed in the sky while another moves around it. Popocatepetl has an elevation of 18,288 feet and is one of the places in Mexico where there is talk of suspicious lights and UFOs. A number of these reports have emanated from the mountain since its current cycle of active volcanism began in December 1994.

When demons create UFO lights, it is done in a unified effort by combining their energy and casting either circular or oddly shaped designs. The flux that occurs when the lights flicker or fade out suddenly, giving the viewer the impression that the “UFO” has vanished is actually the depletion of their combined energies. If they rev a recharge, that is when they come back into focus, then fade out again. That's because they have to fully recharge in order to hold for any length of time. They can do 90 degree turns on a dime because they are supernatural. Satan also has some ability to materialize matter. They use all of their abilities to their best advantage of fooling the masses in the different false beliefs that have been fostered by Satan over the centuries.

The demons want people to believe that this earth is being visited by other life forms from other planets, galaxies, etc. because the Creator is settling a dispute between Satan, his demons, and Mankind. The Azmon barrier is not only in place to keep Satan and his demons trapped on the detention plane, but it also serves to keep track of who enters the detention plane. And since the planets are not yet inhabited in creation except for the Earth, there are no other life forms created on the other planets. That is all part of the Creator's future plan for creation as a whole on the physical plane. If that were so, and life forms existed, they would be known to the Heavenly Court. In addition, there would be Records at the Great Hall of Records indicating their existence in volume upon volume, considering how many planets there are throughout the physical creation. But, there are no such Records in existence; and everything is recorded at the Great Hall.

Why do the demons want all of us to think there are life forms (aliens) visiting Earth? It is a trick by Satan to try and cover up the real issue at hand; which is, that the Earth is the hub of what is going on in creation. If Mankind believes other life forms exist, they discount the Scriptures. They often wonder "Why does the Bible not mention other life forms in the Universe of creation?" It is because they do not yet exist. We were created in God's image, just as the angel's were. That means we possess God's attributes. We are capable of love, sorrow, happiness, etc. But the main thing he granted everyone is free will.

There is nothing new under the Sun. The Bible tells us that. Satan seeks to resemble the creator in all that he does. Therefore, Satan has sacrifices in his own name, just like the Creator had His sacrifices. Satan fosters witchcraft, with a Coven of 13, in contrast to the 12 Apostles. The Creator has Christ as his Only Begotten Son. Satan wants a son as well. The alien abductions are nothing more than Satan trying to bring forth a child. He has not yet been successful. But it was a reality for many of the demons that caused the Nephilim prior to the Great Flood. They seek to do the same thing, and in doing so, give Satan what he wants. It is possible for Satan to physically create sperm with his genes in it, just as the demons did before the flood. And yes, they have tried in the past to cause pregnancies, but all have been failures. However, Satan draws off of genetic research, and thinks he can now be successful.

When Satan's demons pretend to be "Visitors," i.e., alien abductors, they take the person inside of an orb. There, they have the ability to perform experiments at trying to impregnate a female. They often examine to make certain the female is fertile. What Satan is trying, has been tried a number of times without success. His ability to manipulate matter gives the impression that the demons are aliens, and that you are in a spacecraft of some kind. But the truth is, you never leave this planet. You are inside the orb, and after they have finished, they use hypnosis or some other mind altering phenomena to try and repress the memories of the event.

The Crop Circles are nothing more than angelic writing. The same symbols appear at the Great Hall of Records. In some cases it is done by demons and in others, it's the Cherubic Order giving a visual record of a coming Prophecy. The demons often imitate what the Holy Angel's perform in the way of Signs. But when the demons do it, it means something entirely different.

The only way I know that a person might differentiate between which side is making lights in the sky, is if an event occurs; then that is usually associated with the Cherubic Order. But, if it's just lights or objects just for the sake of being seen, then that will be the demons. Like they did at the U.S. Air Force Base in England, years back. That was to give a case study that supported alien visitation to this planet. Satan is very crafty at what he does. And he considers himself the Father of Science. I know without a doubt that Satan is behind genetic research and the cloning of humans. It falls right in line with what he wants. If Mankind is not careful, Satan's demons will figure out a way to inhabit a cloned human - and I'm not talking about demonic possession. I'm talking about becoming that human clone. The famous Sheep that was cloned, aged quickly. Satan knows time is not on his side. That would be right up his alley to have a clone, age to maturity, quickly. If Satan really wants to be in human form as the Anti-Christ, that might be his avenue. If not successful, he'll have to settle for possession of the body as they often do with demon possessed people; but I know Satan, and that's not how he would like to do it.

What the hell are you saying.I for one do not think satan is real and don't think aliens are made by satan.I don't understand you,why waste your time believing in negitive satan.If you beleive in God thats fine.You talk as if you know God,you can't prove satan is real so why are you telling people what is right and wrong.Now I do Believe aliens are from other worlds I can't prove that,but I know because I have seen them.Now you can b**** about your satan and his creation.I don't think what I saw was satans creation.I think you need to respect people Beliefs in aliens and not twist there minds because what people are seeing is real entites.Unlike satan you can't see him so why are you saying he is real...........................

Actually does life exist outside our solar system in other star systems or galaxies - Yes... this is not a doubt.

What is doubted is that we've been visited. The evidence is simply not there to support it.

I have always said, that if you can't prove the 'UFOs in question' as those of mankind, then you can't dismiss the evidence that those UFOs exhibit advanced technology that clearly, are not ours.

So what about these aliens, UFO’s, alien abductions and crop circles? Are there other life forms? Are people abducted by aliens and experimented on? Are crop circles created by these dame aliens?

It’s something I’ve often wondered myself. I’m a lover of astronomy and I’ve spent a good amount of time contemplating the heavens, stars, planets and the likelihood of there being other forms of life off in the vast universe we call home. However, I’m here to tell you that aliens, UFO’s alien abductions and crop circles are all the work of either angels or demons and they are created for two completely different reasons depending on who it is that is creating them.

Some of the phenomena witnessed is the wheels of the Cherubic Order fulfilling prophecy. They often appear as circles of lights before an earthquake, tidal wave, or even the eruption of a volcano. It is simply a Sign for the Record, and a visual Witness to Mankind. One example would be the event of April 3, 2001 in which “an enormous luminous and mysterious OVNI (Spanish acronym for UFO) moved across the sky over hillside homes in Colonia Olimpica, a barrio (neighborhood) on the outskirts of Guadalajara.

It happened again on March 5, 2001 over Popcatepetl and dozens of residents from local communities called radio stations to report a sighting that could be seen in particular area near the volcano. An eyewitness reported, “the object had movement, passed over the volcano, turned around and rotated.” A resident pointed out that the lights remained fixed in the sky while another moves around it. Popocatepetl has an elevation of 18,288 feet and is one of the places in Mexico where there is talk of suspicious lights and UFOs. A number of these reports have emanated from the mountain since its current cycle of active volcanism began in December 1994.

When demons create UFO lights, it is done in a unified effort by combining their energy and casting either circular or oddly shaped designs. The flux that occurs when the lights flicker or fade out suddenly, giving the viewer the impression that the “UFO” has vanished is actually the depletion of their combined energies. If they rev a recharge, that is when they come back into focus, then fade out again. That's because they have to fully recharge in order to hold for any length of time. They can do 90 degree turns on a dime because they are supernatural. Satan also has some ability to materialize matter. They use all of their abilities to their best advantage of fooling the masses in the different false beliefs that have been fostered by Satan over the centuries.

The demons want people to believe that this earth is being visited by other life forms from other planets, galaxies, etc. because the Creator is settling a dispute between Satan, his demons, and Mankind. The Azmon barrier is not only in place to keep Satan and his demons trapped on the detention plane, but it also serves to keep track of who enters the detention plane. And since the planets are not yet inhabited in creation except for the Earth, there are no other life forms created on the other planets. That is all part of the Creator's future plan for creation as a whole on the physical plane. If that were so, and life forms existed, they would be known to the Heavenly Court. In addition, there would be Records at the Great Hall of Records indicating their existence in volume upon volume, considering how many planets there are throughout the physical creation. But, there are no such Records in existence; and everything is recorded at the Great Hall.

Why do the demons want all of us to think there are life forms (aliens) visiting Earth? It is a trick by Satan to try and cover up the real issue at hand; which is, that the Earth is the hub of what is going on in creation. If Mankind believes other life forms exist, they discount the Scriptures. They often wonder "Why does the Bible not mention other life forms in the Universe of creation?" It is because they do not yet exist. We were created in God's image, just as the angel's were. That means we possess God's attributes. We are capable of love, sorrow, happiness, etc. But the main thing he granted everyone is free will.

There is nothing new under the Sun. The Bible tells us that. Satan seeks to resemble the creator in all that he does. Therefore, Satan has sacrifices in his own name, just like the Creator had His sacrifices. Satan fosters witchcraft, with a Coven of 13, in contrast to the 12 Apostles. The Creator has Christ as his Only Begotten Son. Satan wants a son as well. The alien abductions are nothing more than Satan trying to bring forth a child. He has not yet been successful. But it was a reality for many of the demons that caused the Nephilim prior to the Great Flood. They seek to do the same thing, and in doing so, give Satan what he wants. It is possible for Satan to physically create sperm with his genes in it, just as the demons did before the flood. And yes, they have tried in the past to cause pregnancies, but all have been failures. However, Satan draws off of genetic research, and thinks he can now be successful.

When Satan's demons pretend to be "Visitors," i.e., alien abductors, they take the person inside of an orb. There, they have the ability to perform experiments at trying to impregnate a female. They often examine to make certain the female is fertile. What Satan is trying, has been tried a number of times without success. His ability to manipulate matter gives the impression that the demons are aliens, and that you are in a spacecraft of some kind. But the truth is, you never leave this planet. You are inside the orb, and after they have finished, they use hypnosis or some other mind altering phenomena to try and repress the memories of the event.

The Crop Circles are nothing more than angelic writing. The same symbols appear at the Great Hall of Records. In some cases it is done by demons and in others, it's the Cherubic Order giving a visual record of a coming Prophecy. The demons often imitate what the Holy Angel's perform in the way of Signs. But when the demons do it, it means something entirely different.

The only way I know that a person might differentiate between which side is making lights in the sky, is if an event occurs; then that is usually associated with the Cherubic Order. But, if it's just lights or objects just for the sake of being seen, then that will be the demons. Like they did at the U.S. Air Force Base in England, years back. That was to give a case study that supported alien visitation to this planet. Satan is very crafty at what he does. And he considers himself the Father of Science. I know without a doubt that Satan is behind genetic research and the cloning of humans. It falls right in line with what he wants. If Mankind is not careful, Satan's demons will figure out a way to inhabit a cloned human - and I'm not talking about demonic possession. I'm talking about becoming that human clone. The famous Sheep that was cloned, aged quickly. Satan knows time is not on his side. That would be right up his alley to have a clone, age to maturity, quickly. If Satan really wants to be in human form as the Anti-Christ, that might be his avenue. If not successful, he'll have to settle for possession of the body as they often do with demon possessed people; but I know Satan, and that's not how he would like to do it.

With respect to your p/s beliefs.

I'm a born Catholic (not a practicing one thank god)I can't swallow all this god the devil & all the angels bit.

Back here on planet earth though...Religion + Science + Government = Lies/Hypocrisy & One BIG sham.

Forget the government for now, 'the church' probably know more than we think.
I've said it a couple of times, who has the most to loose IF all these things 'come to light' are proved beyond doubt.

'In my p/s opinion' & the way i see it...''in the name of control/secrecy/goverment and holy catholic church...amended.''

JMO make of it what ever you like...
The Vatican & ETs

Michael Hesemann interviewed Msgr. Corrado Balducci in Rome and received an amazing answer to this question: Msgr. Balducci is one of the best-known and most respected Italian theologians. He is a regular guest on Italian State TV, where he has made several statements about the UFO phenomenon since 1995. He has spoken at UFO conferences in Acapulco and San Marino. This is the very first detailed statement of a senior Roman Catholic theologian and Curia (Vatican) member on the UFO phenomenon, and demonstrates the openness of the Roman Catholic church on this question. Since Balducci first started speaking out about UFOs, the Dalai Lama, several rabbis in Israel and, in 2001, the Muslim authorities of Turkey have also made positive statements on this subject. UFOs are not only “no problem" for the world’s largest Christian church, but for other world religions too. Msgr. Balducci says: “UFOs—There must be something real about them.
Pope John Paul II Declares Evolution to be Fact!

Pope John Paul II, on the 23rd of October, 1996, while speaking to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences plenary session at the Vatican, declared the evolutionary theories of Charles Darwin to be fact, tacitly acknowledging that man evolved from the apes, and reducing the biblical account of Genesis to that of mere fable!

Vatican Acknowledges ET Presence
Later & god bless.

Nother here.
Yep, I have mentoined before that Catholic Schools teach evolution, not theism.
It will not break down all religions, and I really don't think that the Pope's admission makes light of Gensis at all, I think that is a sensationalist claim only siad to draw a response and gather support.
To say that the fossil record is wrong is just dumb, it's right under our noses!
I have always said it would be no problem for religion.
Haw, that God/Devil post was a pearler!! Abductions to impregnate little old mortals like us, I gotta admit, I had a grin when I read that, Rather amusing. Demons with powers to create UFO's, yet we have it all over them in genetic engineering! That guy really out to try his hand at creative writing. Far more entertaining than L Ron Hubbard LOL.

It's all crazy ain't it psyche...i'l never be able to look at God's Bible & L. Ron Hubbard's Dianetics the same way again...or should i?

But, what is it ?

We could find it to be natural phenomena, we may find it to be black ops.

I wish modern day Christians would get past the time-worn "science is the work of the Devil" act. You're 100 years too late. Sorry, but it's people like you that keep Mankind from progressing and advancing. Genetic research is far from "the work of the Devil". Are you like 80 or something?

As for the UFO's, if you're trying to disprove them, what's so wrong with them being government research projects and abductees suffering from sleep paralysis and crazy dreams? (not that I think they don't exist, but come on!)

No it can't and that is why I have been stating time after time that the UFOs in question, are not ours.

I have been involved in military aviation long enough, including designing components for Air Force aircraft, to know that the UFOs in question are not our classified assets nor the result of natural phenomena. That is why the Air Force's 1969 report basically confirmed that natural phenomena cannot be responsible for the UFOs in question. Debunkers like to use natural phenomen as a means to debunk UFOs without a clue as to what atmospheric phenomena is all about. Air traffic and radar controllers, commercial and miitary pilots have all dismissed natural phenomena as reponsible for the UFOs in question, but only the UFO debunkers who have no knowledge of atmospheric phenomena, are the folks suggesting that the experts don't know what they are talking about.

Are you suggesting that an asteroid conducts right-angled maneuvers at 40+ Gs within earth's atmosphere and fly circles around aircraft then zooms off at 9000+ mph in a climb??? If so, can you clarify?

sasa, respectfully, i suggest that very often we demonize anything we fear, anything we do not understand. that is not to say i dont believe in demons, or angels. i do.

isnt monsignor balducci the appointed spokesman for the catholic church? isnt he the one who claims that alien contact is very different from demonic possession?
isnt he is spokesman for the Pope? what does the catholic church know? what all is buried with the treasures of the vatican?
i always considered this a major statement, that alien contact was not the same as demonic possession. by what means did balducci arrive at this conclusion?
too much is secret. that is a dangerous thing, when discovery, knowledge, real gold, is in the possession of a select few.
be sure to tithe, though.

LOL!

Thats what i've been saying and post'n on a few of the other threads including this one.
It kind of gets people thinking big time unless we're all reading them wrong and they've been sipping a little too much of the ol sacramental vino over there at the Vatican...

I'll state it once more though... Who has the most to loose if this phenomenon is 'proved real beyond any doubt' and exposed to the mases...
The church followed shortly by powerful corporations & governments has, and in so many ways.

Good posting marastar.

Later.

By the same token though, logic permits that the annomolies in question could also be natural phenomena.

Quantitative Aspects of Mirages

According to a 1969 study by the Air Force Environmental Technical Applications Center, the conditions needed to produce the UFO-like effects attributed to inversions cannot exist in the Earth's atmosphere.

Menkello, F.V., "Quantitative Aspects of Mirages," USAF Environmental Technical Applications Center, 1969.

As the manuevers cannot be from our thech, we are saying we have no idea what it is. It could be an alloy affected by gravity, it could be heavy elements we have not seen reacting to something the planet is emmitting, or the atmosphere.

Not for the UFOs in question simply because the UFOs were described in detail that clearly indicated artificial flying entites by those involved, and UFOs reacted intelligently to aircraft maneuvers and radar lock-ons. Any air traffic controller will tell you they can easily differential between natural phenomena and artificial objects, not to mention that radars have filters as well. After all, there are very good reasons why air defense and air traffic control radars are all-weather systems in which case, natural atmospheric phenomena cannot be allowed to be a problem for obvious reasons of aviation safety, and once again, I will post the following.
In other words, the Air Force over-ruled its own cover-up story in regards to the 1952 Washington D.C. UFO incidents where it stated that the UFOs were the result of atmospheric phenomena.
Let's take a typical case. An object is detected on ground-based radar where no aircraft is suppose to be, so jet interceptors are sent aloft to check it out. One of the military pilots reports that the UFO is really a flying saucer. He attempts to close in on the flying saucer but the saucer reacts and begins to leave the jet fighter behind as his wingman watches, but not before one of the jets open fires on the flying saucer, which then proceeds to leave the aircraft in the dust.

Clearly, the flying saucer was not the result of natural phenomena and it reacted to the aircraft's attempts to intercept it as well. That account was an actual case that was revealed in one of the physics book of the U.S. Air Force Academy.

Source:

INTRODUCTORY SPACE SCIENCE - VOLUME II
CHAPTER ***III
UNIDENTIFIED FLYING OBJECTS
DEPARTMENT OF PHYSICS - USAF
UNITED STATES AIR FORCE ACADEMY


In other words, natural phenomena have nothing to do with the real UFOs in question.

OK, I concede

The report you have posted, and several in similar vein I cannot find another explaination for. I have seen ball lighting explainations, but as my base trade is electrician, upon which I have expanded, I understand electric principals very well. Electricity cannot follow jet craft and then zoom of into the atmosphere.
In this case, clearly this is tech, not phenomena

here you go LOL. Got me here. For the moment anyway!!! LOL.

I can go along with the conclusion that 'Aliens' are ... 'Angels'. I have believed that one for a long time.

I knew all along that the Air Force knew that some UFOs were those of extraterrestial beings, and it knew that the Roswell incident was an extraterrestrial event. Years later, it would issue orders for its pilots to shoot down flying saucers.

It is not likely that the Air Force would order its pilots to shoot down ball lightning nor its own secret aircraft over metropolitan cities.

Using today ecconomy as a model, I doubt those three organisations wold suffer at all from confirmation of Alien life, or visitation

The Church.
The Catholic Church alread accepts evolution. What do they have to lose? It sure wont hurt Raelism or Scientology, not Buddhism, maybe Christian creationinsts or devout moslems who also believe in creationism. The affected relisions will be a minority and have to face facts. Ideals will be altered as re-interpretations.

Powerful Corporations.
Once again. How? If new tech does become available, who will have the money to manufacture and market it? It's just a new market for big bussiness.

Goverments.
Once again, how so. Governments could only learn better practises from an advanced species, aspects of social harmony we cannot fathom. They would also likely be amongst the first contact. Lucky buggers will probably be the first to get a ride in a spaceship. The advances in global environmental and social mangement would be enourmous. Win win.

Why do you think these organisations would crumble?

Deamons as Aliens, heck, even I ain't ready for that LOL.

No, definitly not.
But why shoot one down if they aready have one, couldn't they radio it and give them clearance?

Why shoot one down and possibly anger something way advanced?

Ballistic missiles move at sonic speed and are capable of soe wild manuevers, surely they are a small percentage of sightings? Tests etc.?

Going with the Roswell scenario for one brief moment, and lets say I am a believer.
"If we could back engineer the tech, the absolute first thing to fire up, or understand would be comms wouldn't it? On logical and a very military thing to do."
It makes more sense to contact rather than destroy.

Did anyone hear about the Canadian Defence Minister who wants the governments to "come clean on what they know" and tell the public that they were withholding alien technology recovered from UFO crashes. He is suggesting that they use the technology as an alternative energy source. Now the guy is 83 years old so I'll cut him a break if he's making this stuff up but what if he is not. It would be pretty sweet using some alien technology from the Butt Sniffer galaxy if you ask me.

We didn't have any hypersonic flying saucers. The best we could do was the "flying flapjack" and it need stabilizers.


The saucer-shaped Avro Car was a joke.


Some folks in the military perceived them as a possible threat, especially after what happened over Washington in 1952 where UFOs violated sensitive airspace
Only for the misidentifications, not for the UFOs in question. Ballistic missiles do not flyi in formation with aircraft nor maneuver around aircraft for long periods of time as was the case over Bariloche, Argentina.

BARILOCHE UFO

SAN CARLOS DE BARILOCHE 02/08 (AFP) = On Monday morning, around ten eye-witnesses reported that, moving at high velocity and defying all known laws of physics, a white flying saucer perturbed the air traffic at the San Carlos de Bariloche airport, located 1 800 km S-W of Buenos-Aires, during 15 minutes on Monday to Tuesday night.

http://www.ufocom.org/UfocomS/usbariloche.htm
There were those in the military who like to shoot first and ask questions later. If we didn't have the necessary tools, such as super computers, it would have been very difficult, if not impossible, to build such advanced machines with exotic propulsion systems. Like trying to build a B-747 with a hammer and nails and no overhead hoist.

Hrrmzz...

think we have crosssed wires, that incident may have followed aircraft, but the Theodlite sighting is ambiguous.

I love the story of the Avrocar, wouldn't it be something if they got that to work. Some thought they could, like that cool propganda with Avro Family vehicles and ambulances, LOL, love that poster.

That is not what I was referring to though, why shoot down any UFO, like the 1952 incident when we apparently captured on in 1947? Why not just radio them and give landing clearance?
Why don't we do this today?

And when tracked coming in from deep space, why not catch them on camera as they enter our airspace (or spacespace? is there such a thing?) We ought to be able to get awesome close-ups?

Radar was also used to confirm them as well.

Lucky for the pilot the thing couldn't fly.

Back in those days, anything that violated sensitive airspace would have been considered hostile, but we have lost airmen who were trying to intercept flying saucers.

Engineers of Aerojet, the folks who builds DSP satellites for NORAD, have already indicated that NORAD has been tracking UFOs flying in from deep space.

Engineers of Aerojet, the folks who builds DSP satellites for NORAD, have already indicated that NORAD has been tracking UFOs flying in from deep space.

OK psyche, i'l bite try to explain my little p/s view/take on this phenomenon and the couple of your question, mind ya this is all hypothetical eh! My whole take on this phenomenon has been open careless/free from the start... i don't plan on joining the pigeons down there at Scientology or the Raelian brotherhood rofl!...I have to work tomorrow I just sought of go with the flow on this whole thing whatever happens happens...tomorrow is just another day for me.
Why do you think these organisations(corporations governments etc)would crumble?

If this phenomenon is real and if they are as advanced as we a led to believe then they will surly have the answers to ''free energy, super advanced hi tech'' and all the wonderful things that go hand in hand with that, don't you think governments and major corporations(oil) industries(coal) Electricity companies(last i heard the governments own zip) etc etc etc, would want to keep it from the masses(Money + Power = Control) I mean lets face it here if ET and all his buddies are able to totally transform the planet and our existence and or way of life as we know it from the above mentioned and more...i don't know about you but my electric, gas & fuel bills are taking a hefty chunk out of my annual wages and getting worse with every passing year. lol! The masses wont stand for it anymore and demand action, then i guess they(Governments/corporations) will eventually cave in to demand and or loose control of us from a possible mass rebellion or whatever. Something that can be ''freely'' available at little or no cost and if they don't get it then i guess global mass rioting would ensure it's only human nature to fight for whats right.
Bottom line again here on terra ferma, it's all about money/making money power more power & keeping the masses in line and in control.
Now the part i like best The Church(Religion)

Later M8
Heres a couple of links on IF they make contact...
Further Disclosures by Dr. Michael Wolf
CSETI Disclosure Presentation (Page 1 of 2)

The Quest for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (Carl Sagan)

So, why don't we have decent surveillance cams in space?? We know the are visitng, we see them coming from deep space, why the heck not capture one on film at least? It seems so frustrating, we have so many sateelites in orbit, the ISS, Hubble. What the heck is going on, why don't we have live footage of visitors? We have thing out past the solar system. Why not a camera in our atmosphere.

Actually tracking objects in deep space is guess work and our capabilities are terrible.

It has been indicated that NORAD tracks up to 500 UFOs flying in from deep space as they enter and leave earth's atmosphere and DSP satellites alone, have been tracking 2-3 per month.

not to rain on any parades, By deep space I assume you mean out in space as beyond our orbit. Standards for tracking objects at this distance are done by CCD's or charged coupled devices. Photos are then fed into a super computer that looks for anomalies in light readings. I did my first post doc working with nonlinear charged-coupled device sensors. At our current technological rate only of small percentage of the night sky is viewed in this way.

With convential radar tracking moving objects beyond the thermosphere is very unreliable.

As far as the Roswell Incident, I am very sure it was the result of project mogul.

Anytime you have people coming out making statements after 40+ years they are very questionable.

This is a logical fallacy. If Aliens are so technologically advanced, there is nothing our government(s), church(es) or another other institution(s) would be able to do to prevent their contact with the overwhelming majority of the populace.

As far as the Roswell Incident, I am very sure it was the result of project mogul. Anytime you have people coming out making statements after 40+ years they are very questionable. Just taking a scientific look at it, the original data, project mogul is the best explanation for events. Looking at things logically in life, you find that Occam's razor is generally true. Especially with "phenomena" that is not easily explained. When you explain something that you don't understand you want to make as few assumptions as possible (b/c we all know where those lead )

Now as far as abductions go, I am going to have to be inclined to say that 99.9% of all cases are a combination of sleep paralysis and an over active temporal lobe. There is some very interesting studies coming out of Harvard about sleep paralysis. I have actually had sleep paralysis happen to me, It is extremely scary and I did feel there was a "presence in the room". I realized though, after a 30 seconds or so what was happening and able to focus on moving small parts of my body and successfully rousing the reset of my brain from REM sleep.

I think another thing we definitely have to consider, is it seems to me rather convenient that aliens are rather humanoid in appearance and reported aliens generally have the same sensory perceptions as we do. I know, I know, before you say, but the aliens I encountered had ESP or psychic powers, how many of you here believe in psychic powers or ESP? ESP is a supernatural ability lumped in to human and humanoid perceptions. Anyway, We need to again roll out our army of statisticians wanting a name for themselves to document this most strange coincidence that aliens are rather human. Logic should tell us this more than likely will not be the case.

For instance if we look at the 5 most intelligent animals (types) on earth, excluding humans/great apes, they are Dolphins/killer whales, Birds (namely ravens and crows), Octopi, Dogs, and New world monkeys. These animals are vastly different, in the size, shape, color, sensory equipment, anatomy etc.

Now to think that something that has evolved totally independent of an earthly ancestor, is wildly obtuse, to say the least.

Now if alien contact does ever happen, we have all kinds of problems that can occur. For instance, Lets say that the being was multi-dimensional and immortal, This being may go around accidentally killing everyone, not b/c they are evil, but because how do you tell something that cant die about death?

Its also interesting when people say that aliens will come and drop off a new kind of marvelous technology that will benefit all of mankind. Lets look at this logically with a time travel example. Arguably the most beneficial advent of human technology has been antibiotics. Lets say you were to time travel back to 1351, the bubonic plague is in full swing, ravaging Europe. You give to a scientists, a bunch of needles and synthesized antibiotics, along with a brief description of a germ and how an antibiotic works. That scientist will more than like think you are crazy, not to mention if he did believe you, they still would have no conceivable way to synthesize and administer antibiotics.

Anyway there are a lot more logical problems of "first contact" than just these, but alas I have to go teach my class now I will have to touch on some later. Honestly I wasn't surprised to hear people claim aliens are angles/devils, but I was surprised to have not heard the "aliens are people from the future argument yet". Though time travel is another thread I guess

Believe me, NORAD's deep space surveillance assets are very sophisticated and when engineers stated that NORAD has been tracking UFOs from deep space and within earth's atmosphere, they were not kidding.

Where do you get that information? You a Colonel in the military? Or are we just talking conspiracy theory websites? As far as "deep space surveillance" are you some type of engineer or physicist or are you just guessing or going on web hear say about their "capabilities".

Sorry man, I have worked with lots of cutting edge technology meant and geared for space. Our current technology, is not effective at tracking objects in deep space. Its just not, period. Even if give the government, lets say, +7 years advance in technology, they still would not have very good capabilities for tracking objects outside our orbit.

As I said, All deep space monitoring equipment, as of now is based on CCDs and super computers. Its slow and its arduous, but if you want to believe in technology that does not exist, I suppose there is no arguing with faith.

I think man, as far as Roswell is concerned its rather hard for the government to defend something they dont have. I mean you call them a liar, but if there was really no alien crash all they could say is no.

Any way, who said anything about the ETs stopping themselves from making contact with us?...

You lost me a little there on that death and multi-dimensional bit, but if any one is hostile fearful paranoid and or all of the above, i'l be willing to bet that it's man here on earth not them...i try to avoid using that 'evil' word too it kind of gives the topic that religious feel to it.
Anyway as far as i'm concerned let them come and make official contact with the populace for all i care. I could use a nice relaxing vacation to Perseus A or Cygnus A, i hear Polarissima Australis is a good place to holiday this time of the year.

I try not to soak up and take a lot of this type phenomenon and take it too seriously but try and keep a level headed open mind about it all if you follow my drift...Tomorrow i have to go back to work so i can make money pay taxes top up my super fund and make the last 4 or 5 payments on my Harley...I want to have it payed off for when the cosmic neigbhours do come and theres a couple of nice honey ET brunettes around.

As for ESP, i believe in that...but right now i'm more concerned with GST (Goods & Services Tax) here at home. lol!
Thanks for the reply.
Later

(edited for spelling errors and add ons.)